Although it's yet to be officially announced, we all know that the PS5 Pro is real, and it's likely dropping later this year. A mid-gen upgrade on the PS5, Sony will probably position the refreshed console as another premium product — something that it's been doing throughout the generation so far, with stuff like PS Portal and the DualSense Edge.
But how do you feel about the PS5 Pro, based on what we know so far? We'd love to hear your thoughts, but before we get around to that, we've gathered the opinions of our editorial staff, who are somewhat torn on the whole thing.
Aaron Bayne, Video Producer
As someone that loves flashy new tech, I’m uncharacteristically on the fence with the prospect of a PS5 Pro. Don’t get me wrong, it will likely be a day one purchase for me, but in terms of the point of the upgrade, it’s not something I think the average consumer will really buy into.
The likes of ray tracing and high frame rates are all brilliant aspects of modern gaming that we can have and technically have had with the vanilla PS5, and in that sense the PS5 Pro is really lacking that unique selling point — at least going by what we know so far. Comparatively, the PS4 Pro was a mid-gen upgrade with purpose, sitting on the cusp of the 4K age, and already housing a library of games — like Horizon Zero Dawn — that felt like they were pushing the base console to its limit.
It’s tough then to envision how Sony can market this upgrade as the same level of essential, especially since it still feels like we’re waiting for this gen to kick off. That being said, if there is a way to play my PS5 games in a shinier and smoother way, then that’s all I really need. Maybe Sony is banking on enthusiasts like myself.
Liam Croft, Assistant Editor
When it feels like the current generation is still only just getting started in terms of pushing the PS5's potential beyond the capabilities of a PS4, I can't say I'm particularly excited about a PS5 Pro. Very little has impressed me on a technical or graphical level from either PlayStation Studios or third-parties, with the only immediate example coming to mind being the near-instant fast travel of Marvel's Spider-Man 2. That's cool and all, but being able to play a few seconds sooner doesn't feel like a generational leap.
Still, it's impossible for the gaming industry to take such vast strides in graphical power anymore; the days of a PS1 to PS2 jump are well and truly gone. And so as we see in the PC space, NVIDIA doesn't wait for its current GPU to be maxed out — it just releases another one no matter what's taken advantage of it. Increasingly, console manufacturers are adopting the same approach. I'll get a PS5 Pro because it's my job, but I can't say I'm really all that excited about the prospect.
A PS5 Pro would help solve frame rate issues we're already encountering in current-gen titles like Dragon's Dogma 2 and Rise of the Ronin, but wouldn't it be better if developers took a bit more time making sure their games run suitably rather than relying on an upgraded console to brute force it for them? I'd take that over a PS5 running on nitrous oxide. I find it disappointing that we're already looking to better specs instead of optimising current hardware with untapped potential.
Robert Ramsey, Assistant Editor
I'm really not sure where I stand on the PS5 Pro right now — I think I'll need to see the official reveal, complete with hardware specifications, before passing judgment. That said, I do enjoy mid-gen upgrades. I was a big fan of the PS4 Pro and its touted improvements, as I believe that console manufacturers like Sony could learn a lot from the PC ecosystem, where users are obviously free to boost their machine's capabilities as and when the need arises.
What I mean is that console generations tend to last quite a long time, and a console's innards are already outdated upon release. Sticking with the same technical specifications for the best part of a decade is a tall order — not just for big budget development studios, but for players who want to see their hobby expand and evolve in a timely manner.
But I do understand the concerns. This has been a weird generation so far, and it does sometimes feel like the PS5 is only just getting started — a knock-on effect of the pandemic and the overall lack of first-party PlayStation games. What's more, I can't see this supposed PS5 Pro being what we perceive as affordable. Current-gen Sony seems hellbent on extracting as much profit as possible from its most hardcore fans, and I'd be shocked if an upgraded console, clearly targeting a hardcore audience, fares any differently.
All in all, I think I'm just looking forward to seeing how Sony goes about selling a PS5 Pro — and how people will react to its eventual announcement.
Sammy Barker, Editor
The gaming landscape has changed, and I believe the days of transformative generation transitions are now behind us. The biggest games on the planet now span a broad spectrum of hardware profiles, from diminutive smartphones and tablets all the way through to demonstrative PCs. Consoles sit somewhere in the middle, and both Microsoft and Nintendo are already proving that they can come in different forms, with a variety of different specifications.
For me, PS5 Pro sounds like a continuation of that – a beefier, more powerful version of Sony’s existing system which exists for an enthusiast audience. While the PS4 Pro before it obviously benefited from the steady shift towards 4K televisions, we’re already beginning to hear murmurs of dissatisfaction about the current PS5’s capabilities, with Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth’s resolution when running at 60fps being a recent point of contention. If that doesn’t bother you, then PS5 Pro isn’t for you.
If it does, however, then from the rumoured specifications, it sounds like the Japanese giant’s cobbled together a new console that will largely lessen your irks. The introduction of PlayStation Spectral Resolution (PSSR), presumably a dress rehearsal ahead of a more refined rollout on PS6, will be essential in reducing computational overhead, without sacrificing image quality. This should, in theory, result in better performance, cleaner graphics, and more impressive ray tracing overall.
The price will likely be high, but Sony will know the type of audience that exists for this kind of device, and if resolutions and frame rates and ray tracing aren’t your thing, then so be it – you probably aren’t on the manufacturer’s radar for this particular piece of kit anyway.
Now that we've had our say, it's your turn. Vote in our poll, and then share your full take in the comments section below.
Are you interested in the PS5 Pro, based on what we know so far? (2,619 votes)
- Yes, I'll likely be there day one
- Yeah, I'm interested
- Kind of, but I need to know more
- Nah, I'm not sure it's necessary
- Nope, I'm fine with my PS5
- No, I hate the idea of a PS5 Pro
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Considering that PS5 doesn't even have 5 first party games that are current gen only I think it's a bit dumb
A huge waste of time and money as long as PS4/crossgen games are still released. Because as long as that happens the full potential of the PS5 wont be taken advantage of.
I feel like I'll be buying it on release.
I am yet to be convinced that the standard PS5 isn't a waste of money tbh. This console generation has been such a disappointment to me.
I can see why many won't be bothered, but I love new console hardware.
I'll be pre-ordering.
Hopefully Sony have figured out a way to beat the scalpers. Then again, if it's only for a niche audience maaaaybe that won't be a problem this time...
It would be good for VR, but there is little more needed for a flat screen, and no AAA VR games are being made anyway these days.
I cannot be excited for what is, up to this point, simply vaporware.
I got excited for the Switch Pro and that did nothing for me except lead to disappointment.
Honestly, I think it's pretty unnecessary, but for enthusiasts, like me, I'll still pick one up. I can't resist a shiny new toy, particularly one that can stabilize the fidelity-to-frame-rates ratio and maybe make ray-tracing a more utilized feature in future games. I have a big ol' LG OLED, so would love some more games to pop.
As mentioned before, though, for a typical gamer, this is a completely unnecessary upgrade. Save your money for the PS6 or... ya know... the games.
I was very excited until I saw (unofficially) that there's basically no upgrade to the GPU so GTA 6 at 30fps on the PS5 amateur will still be 30fps on the Pro 🤦
@NeonPizza I have great memories of Powerstone with my brothers growing up. How our mum handled us I'll never know.
“ I find it disappointing that we're already looking to better specs instead of optimising current hardware with untapped potential.”
You nailed it, Liam 👏🏼
Pointless but see you in the queue on day one.
Well if my PS5 breaks then I'd probably replace it with a pro version, but so far I'm not seeing a need to improve on the base PS5 really.
PS4 pro came out to capitalise on the 4K telly crowd really, and it was a shrewd move, but an iterative update now does not seem to have the same market.
I'll wait for the inevitable PS6 methinks.
I don't we need one yet, but I also know I'm too much of a sucker to not buy one.
I agree we're far from seeing the best from PS5, I mean some great old PS4 games still look better than most of what we get on PS5.
It's a no from me, I'm not spending another penny on hardware from this gen, my next will be the PS6.
Gives me pause though. I buy a console for convenience, because I can drop a maybe say £1000 (roughly obviously) every 7/8 years and I'll have the latest offerings from Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft (more this gen because I bought a Steam Deck).
If the gens are likely to be come less defined and the updates more iterative, then if I'm honest I will be more likely to drop consoles completely (possibly with the exception of Nintendo) and just go for a PC.
If I'm expected to spend more money more often to keep up with the requirements to play, I sure ain't doing it for a console, I'll control my own upgrades thank you.
I got a PS4pro on release, as I could definitely understand and appreciate the difference between the base PS4 and the mid-gen model, along with the numerous existing games that benefitted from it.
I don’t see that today; I am also older, have never jumped on the ‘must have XXX fps’ movement so this isn’t an issue.
My OG PS5 has a 2TB SSD + a 3TD external HD for my PS4 games, so I will happily use what I’ve got and see whether it’s worth waiting for a PS6 or PS6pro. If any
The PS5 Pro is necessary because devs and publishers are lazy when it comes to optimizations.
So today the only option left to play a game in 30...60fps is to use more horsepower and better upscaling techniques - features that the PS5 Pro seems to provide.
Look at the newly released Dragon's Dogma 2 dragging it's feet on PS5 at barely 30fps.
And it's only the latest in a group of PS5 games that prove it's time for a change... Unfortunately, devs/publishers don't bother to optimize games anymore, no matter the how much we request it, so...
Question
Does anyone really think that in the next 3-4 years until PS6 release, things are gonna stay the same or even improve?
Or are they actually gonna get even worse with every new PS5 game?
I bet on the latter.
How about the rest of you ?
This way you can decide for yourselves if a PS5 Pro is necessary for you or not.
I want 4k@60fps = I will get the PS5 Pro, if it offers it - plain and simple.
Those that don't care if they play at 30fps, can buy or keep the current PS5.
I for one am glad to be given the option.
Just another means for Sony to milk the consumers one more time than necessary? Is it time for 4K remasters of HD remasters for original games yet?!
I had a ps4 pro and enjoyed it so I think to have that extra power (and hopefully storage) will justify the purchase. I also want a PS5 for my kid so my launch one will be great for her.
At the minute a PS5 Pro just seems unnecessary.
Have developers already extracted everything they can from base model PS5 in terms of performance? I mean really pushed it to its limits?
I don’t think so. Not yet.
Maybe I am just playing the wrong games.
This generation kicked off with Demon Souls that even in performance mode was one of the most beautiful games I'd ever seen. Granted the stunning art direction was doing some heavy lifting but at the time I thought "wow, we're in for a big treat if this is a launch title", and then... little has come close outside of Horizon. If anything it seems to be reversing. RT & UE5 have taken a toll, but so many games seem to struggle. At the generation start I couldn't have imagined a ps5 pro, but now it seems almost essential for me. Weird generation in general
I have had all Playstation products till this day (even PS4 pro, vita TV etc) but I refuse to buy an upgrade for a console that does not have games (most of the games it has I could have played on PS4) unless Playstation gets its act together (Jim Ryan departure gives me hope) I even doubt I will be interested on a PS6.
The PS5 Pro will be more worthless than the PS4 Pro was last gen. At least when the PS4 Pro launched it was the only platform that allowed 1st party games to be played at their highest fidelity and served its purpose of retaining players who were contemplating moving to PC.
Now that we know Sony intends to port everything to PC, the PS5 Pro loses its appeal significantly, especially to the audience that would ordinarily be eager to make the upgrade. Enthusiast and hardcore gamers will just wait for the inevitable PC ports now that they've become accustomed, leaving just casual gamers who are more than happy to stay with the cheaper base PS5 and couldn't care less about what a Pro model offers.
I don't really see the need for a mid-gen refresh for the PS5. I feel the console hasn't even reached it's full potential yet and we're already at a Pro version.
I’d buy it if my PS5 would break down, to be set for the coming years. Otherwise I see no point.
Yeah it would take a hell of a sales pitch to get me interested in a Pro. I've been perfectly happy with how games have looked and played on the base model. Like it has been said the PS4 Pro felt like it made more sense with 4K just starting to become a thing. PS5 Pro just feels a bit pointless.
The only reason I could come up with is wanting to play GTA6 in the best way possible at launch. Even then though as someone who just likes but doesn't love the GTA games I can't justify spending $600+ just for one game when I could just play it in a slightly less great way at just the price of the game itself.
Can we drop the PS4 first? We have been saying that since Ragnarok to just focus exclusively on the PS5. With that out of the way I will definitely be there day one, love the feeling of opening new hardware!
Day 1 for me, same as the PS4 pro. Then to CeX with my standard console. No matter what the improvements are, they will be improved versions of the games I'd be playing anyway.
rather just upgrade my PC and keep the base console instead . i see no point in pro consoles anymore
@Matthewnh other than load times , nope. a lot of 8th generation games being paraded as next gen
I made the mistake of buying a PS4 Pro and will never make that mistake again.
In this weird age of too many re-do's, remakes, and remasters, I can't justify getting a Pro.
Unless the framerate will double (which it won’t as the CPU is almost identical) then no. Not fussed about higher resolutions
I really don’t feel like the base PS5 is that far behind in the tech department. We all know for damn sure it’s not as far behind as the PS4 was at this point in the generation.
Devs (like maybe capcom) need to work on optimizing their games for current hardware now that we finally slowed down shipping every imaginable title to the last generation. If a game like Dogma shipped 6 months from now I can’t imagine anyone would have cared enough to not buy it.
Well, I never bought a PS5 so maybe this time...
I wont be getting it on release but might be tempted in the future if there are significant performance improvements. I would also be delighted if they changed the shape of the console to something smaller and more practical that doesn’t require a stand to simply exist. Either way I certainly won’t be paying mega bucks for it, if it comes in at the £700+ price point some people are predicting it will be a no but for now I would call myself intrigued.
I feel it's going to be a niche seller but that's totally fine as it is never meant to sell gangbusters. As with the PSVR2 and Portal Sony will see the PRO as another way for its players to play. It won't be forced upon us and won't be required to play certain games, it's there for those who obsess over specs.
Perosnally I won't be getting one due to costs, I think I'd rather buy a PSVR2 than getting a second console that can play the same games that my original ps5 can.
I am happy for folks who want the option, but I see little reason to shell out for one unless my original PS5 stops running (knocks on wood furiously).
@Keyblade-Dan Exactly this.
@LifeGirl Agreed. Everything about this gen has been a let down so far.
@wildcat_kickz What games? 😂
@Intr1n5ic I still play my Dreamcast now. Amazing fun.
Switch 2 will be a 100+ TFLOP beast, so Sony needs to do something to keep up with the new Nintendo powerhouse.
I’m on the fence UNLESS they add themes and put a cool strip of light horizontally down the middle 😎
@NeonPizza I adore Blue Stinger. I played it again just before Christmas. Great game.
I think we should all just forget about PS5 Pro and talk about Dreamcast. 🤣
@WolfyTn Exactly! Focus on the important things! 😀
I feel like I want it and that's all that actually matters to me, also didn't Phil say Xbox will never be beaten on power again? The fact he'll be proven wrong again is just the cherry on top.
I just don't want to compromise on visual quality in exchange for frame rate, and want sustained 60fps. If the Pro combined with PSSR upscaling can achieve Quality Mode-level visuals at locked 60fps, then I'm sold.
From what I've seen so far I feel its an underwhelming upgrade. RT and upscaling should look better but I don't see it running games much better than the current PS5. My PC is still well beyond what the Pro will be, so it's pretty worthless to me, I'll save my money for Switch 2
@LifeGirl Me and my friends play Indie Games, mostly. Tells the story, I guess.
Unless my base ps5 breaks I am not considering a pro at all. Didn't Sony themselves say that huge budget games are not feasible anymore? A ps5 pro might make some of these games run slightly better but there hasn't been a game yet that has explored the limits of a base ps5.
Buying a ps5 pro while the industry pivots to the more "AA" games and targeting the Nintendo/mobile audience seems like a poor use of funds.
(I already have a pretty nice pc that would likely out spec a ps5 pro)
It seems like the focus will be on graphics rather than performance and I care more about performance so it’s hard to be excited for it.
I don’t think humans can perceive a difference between 1080p and 4k at normal viewing ranges.
Im Cool with a ps5 pro.im still having fun with my ps4 pro.word up son
PS5 PRO= Day 1 Purchase for Me!
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You know the thing is doa when even the push staff is meh on it. Except Sammy. But Sammy loves anything that costs money.
Mid Gen didn't really work out well last Gen. I'm sure they put it on the drawing board in case they needed it to compete. But actually going ahead with production of the thing given the state of the generation is just tone deaf to reality. And to not to mention the leaked specs don't really impress other than upscaling.
If it’s a different shape and smaller I’m definitely buying it.
I don't really mind there being a Pro version but won't be getting one myself. Like other people have said I'd probably just get a Switch 2 or upgrade the PC while waiting for a PS6.
I'm super excited about the PS5 Pro. Once it's officially announced, I'll pre-order it at Gamestop. Once it's released, I'll trade in my PS5 for it. Simple.
My PS5 works just fine and performs perfectly fine for my gaming needs. Don’t see much point in PS5 ProTBH…
@Pranwell I’m concerned that a pro model existing will lead to more games having only a 30 fps mode. I think that’s a very fair concern when developers already prioritize graphics for marketing purposes.
Day one purchase, mostly because I can sell one of my PS5's to replace it with the newest tech available. Needed or not, it's the best time to do it, rather than wait for the PS5 to wear itself out.
This keeps the cycle going, as someone who only has a PS4 or PS4 Pro can have my PS5 for cheaper than a new weird one with detachable disk drives.
As for the games themselves, I'm more bothered about a locked 30 or 40, in maybe actual real, genuine 4k resolution (or just very good 1440p upscaled with Cerny tech) but with more room for fancy Ray Tracing and lighting affects, as all the best looking games focus more on these things way more these days. Any frame stability or boosting would just be a bonus if possible.
If Wolverine, GTA6, the next Naughty Dog and Santa Monica games benefit from the PS5 Pro, then I'm happy. If it allows smoother framerates in third party games, that is a win too.
It will be interesting to see how Steller Blade looks and runs on PS5. And also, some of these other games we've known about for years that keep getting delayed might also finally be confident enough to release on better hardware.
Day One for me! Pre-order? Yes, will do!
I play PS5 more than 1500hrs per year, any small upgrade pays off significantly. I want to play any possible gane at best visual fidelity, but I am not buying 4k £ PC for that either. PS5 Pro will be welcomed console. And it will be great upgrade to have 2x PS5 at same time and no need to take break for my wife to get to play
I actually had an Xbox during the last generation and did upgrade to the One X and was worth it. So I'll be doing the same most likely for this. But like others have stated, we do need pure PS5 games for any enhancements to actually be worthwhile.
Considering that 3/4 of the PS5 life were either out of stock or covid times where people were more concerned of their personal health than gaming, I’d say a Pro PS5 is not essential at all and could easily follow PS3’s path and go to a new generation of PS6 few years later. I know I’m doing that as I always did: never went to the (only) pro version of PlayStation.
I would like to see two Gen 4 SSD's inside the PS5 Pro. I need tons of storage.
I'll sell my current ps5 for the pro, so yes I will get one
@__jamiie Elder Scrolls 6 and Beyond Good and Evil 2
Yeah unless I find better work it's not for me not even trying to put money away for it my ps5 slim is fine
Only reason it’s even needed is because publishers don’t want developers to optimize their games anymore, cost cutting their production budgets and passing the buck to the hardware to make up for it
I don't think it's really necessary. There have barely been games that really tested the PS5. So far Demon's Souls looks the best. Nothing has come close imo. And if I had money to waste I'd probably buy a good PC instead of the PS5 pro.
These talking points are somewhat glossing over the fact that with a CPU only 10% better than the original model, unless PSSR includes frame gen (which is unlikely since frame gen only works well above 40fps-ish), you won't see much improvement to performance with the pro model. A game like dragon's' dogma 2 which is very CPU limited, won't run much better than it currently does. Jedi Survivor had the same problem.
You're buying a console which will add in a lot of visual fidelity and smoother (not higher) frame rates. Games right now have low internal resolutions, so this may be great. I imagine in PC terms, the pro model will enable you to run a game on High/Ultra at 4K with an upscaler at like performance levels, which can pretty awesome. I would be curious if they'll add pc features like path tracing or things like that with the pro model. Though, I don't think it's worth the price of admission. However, I bought a PS portal, so don't listen to me
Not interested. I pretty much bought the PS5 as a PS4 Pro that also plays new games so I will continue to do that if I buy a PS6. Did the same with the Series X. I don’t do mid gen upgrades unless it is a handheld. I don’t feel games are pushing the Twins anyway. This has been a very mild gen so far for me.
I don't feel anything about rumors and speculation (:
I'd love a PS5 Pro. I'm most excited for PSVR2 graphics upgrade. Games like RE8 look great on PS5+PSVR2 but they look much better on flat screen PS5 and I bet more CPU/GPU could fix that. Most non-VR games don't need more CPU/GPU, but I'm sure some games will use it. I'll probably buy the PS5 Pro because I'm an enthusiast. Awesome!
@danschae This is the draw for me. Devs who can already produce a stable 60 with the current hardware with be able to do so without the graphical hit we're currently seeing. I just got done with Rebirth, and whilst I don't think the image was as bad as people were claiming on performance mode, it clearly suffered as a result. Had the pro been available, I think we would of seen the same flawless 60 but with significantly better graphical fidelity.
@wildcat_kickz Don't forget Knack 3!
@commentlife Exactly! Remember when developers had to actually 'get good' at programming to get the best out of the PS3? When they did the results were incredible.
Now it's a case of demanding more out of the box power so that less effort needs to be made.
People will buy anything these days expect for psvr2
Definitely going to pre-order.
Here in Brazil games became REALLY EXPENSIVE, so, it's a sure NO for the time being. I rarely buy games on release, imagine a new console. My actual PS5 cost a lot. Some gaming friends of mine still doesn't have a PS5 yet. And I really think it's too early for a new console.
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Like game preorders, I'll wait for the reviews.
I want to see how well it performs with real-world games on release day. What improvements do we see on day one?
That, and the cost, will determine my interest. I won't preorder one, but I might pick one up before the end of the year. It depends.
@Intr1n5ic Agreed, I think that's where this will hit home for some people. My concern is people will think it's like a high refresh rate machine and then be disappointed. I do think it'll be a significant improvement to fidelity and make a lot of games like Rebirth pop at 60fps, like you said. If it adds more graphical fidelity to games like path tracing and native 4k, then I'll consider buying it.
I am slightly disappointed to be honest. I bought the PS5, but I mostly played PS4 games as I am not too impressed yet with the PS5 releases. Upcoming releases are probably already designed by developers with the pro in mind so we are not getting the best version. Too bad...
I think this thread alone kind of highlights what the business problem is behind the mid-gen consoles. I think we should have another poll, strictly for the people that plan on buying a Pro (or with a poll option for "I don't plan on buying a pro" to factor that out), to ask buyers, how many are selling or re-gifting their base console to buy it vs people that don't have a PS5 prior or will retain their 5 for their own use without regifting it.
So many people that plan on getting a Pro are eager to say they'll trade/sell their base 5. That's basically a net neutral transaction for Sony. When people buy a Pro and sell their old one, they just lost a sale of a base model. Not EVERY one sold, but it's already a niche item, and among that niche a significant portion of them simply replace a sale of another product. The gain a bit more margin on the premium model from the same customer, but that's about it. It's a terrible line of business that eats into its own sales.
The business model they want out of this is you throw your PS5 in a landfill or throw it on a second TV for convenience or as a portal streaming server and keep both platforms. What they do not want is for people to buy a Pro and then flip their base 5 on the used market, negating a PS5 sale entirely. It's a self defeating product from a business perspective, regardless of if some fans are looking forward to rebuying their console at an upcharge to get a fraction of the performance they were told the original should provide.
There's definitely a difference here between "I'm an enthusiast and want one for the boost" vs "this is a useful product for the ecosystem and is a very worthwhile SKU to bring to market"
I figured a mid gen upgrade is akin to a PC GPU and or storage upgrade
Even PSVR/PSVR2, when they came out, it was simply me investing in a second screen that freed up the tv and could do cool things. At the very least
So $400-$600 or so for either isn’t out of the question. I certainly spend less than upgrading my pc overall. Granted a pc can do a lot more.
My TV can only do 4k 60fps. So i would have to upgrade the current Sony 2020 oled to 2024/24 model which is about £1600 in the sale. I'll wait for the PS6 or ps6 pro.
@Dudditz09 I have been considering dropping consoles for next gen. $500 for base PS5, $200 on a 2 TB SSD +$70 on an extra dual sense makes me think if I shouldn't aim for PC next gen.
I'm pretty tired of being fed lies (like PS4 with 4K, PS5 with ray tracing, 60-120 FPS & 4K) and when it comes down to it, it never lives up to what they are being sold as. Think it's best to invest in hardware I can be 100% sure how it will perform and what I can get out of it. Plus, you can upgrade piece by piece instead of having to directly invest a huge amount like with a console.
@NEStalgia I think your logic is way off here. I would argue that a lot of people who buy secondhand do so because they can't afford or justify the cost of a new machine at retail, and as a result they were likely never going to affect the sales of the base unit. You're also assuming that resold base units are directly sold to consumers. Right now I can sell my PS5 for around £230 at CEX, there's no telling how long they'll have to sit on that stock, and as mentioned, if they do eventually sell it, it will probably be to a customer who wasn't able or willing to buy a brand new anyway.
For those like myself, not only are we double dipping with a pro, but our second purchase will likely be at a higher cost than the first. With that in mind, I'm not sure how you've arrived at a net neutral conclusion.
@NEStalgia
" looking forward to rebuying their console at an upcharge to get a fraction of the performance they were told the original should provide."
EXACTLY why I'm considering (after nearly 36 years as a console player) dropping consoles for PC next gen.
I'm not sure there's a convincing reason this needs to exist. Of course, we don't know for sure what the specs are or how Sony will position it. I'm all for higher res gaming at consistent frame rates (ideally 60FPS, please), but it's a question of how many games will be able to take advantage. That said, unless it's obscenely expensive or laughably incremental, I'll almost certainly buy one.
It's automatic day one, ps5 already showing age with certain games. Especially when put next to PC. However I need to know what's the story with CPU, because if it won't allow higher, more stable frame rates over ps5 I feel like it will lose its appeal
@Intr1n5ic That's a bit optimistic from a business perspective to presume a significant plurality of used PS5 buyers are buyers that otherwise would not have ever purchased a PS5 new, PS5 slim, PS5 black Friday sale, PS5 that puts money in Sony's pocket, instead of not putting money in Sony's pocket. Direct sale or through a reseller is irrelevant, it's not a sale to Sony. Certainly you're right about some of those sales, but it's optimistic presume it's not cannibalizing part of it's already niche market.
I did mention though that it's at higher margin, so they extracted a little more from you, lost some on someone else, but now there's a software, support, and developer outreach, dev kit support, etc, that goes into producing and licensing games.
It's not TOTALLY neutral, I've said before I'm sure there some margin on the whole exercise, but it's such a thin final margin so as to make the exercise unnecessary.
I have deliberately been avoiding buying PS5 to go straight to the Pro model.
However, the question that bugs me the most is the size of the console. The PS5 Phat was already huge and the Slim model did not cope with this issue well. I hope the Pro is by no means larger than the Phat model.
It’s a huge risk and pointless. It could easily send PlayStation into the red.
I went all 7 years with my PS4 from launch day to PS5 launch day. Even got the plat on Ghost of Tsushima an hour before my PS5 was delivered. Loved that little jet engine. I'd have gone for a pro if mine broke. Same with the PS5 but tbh I don't care about 4k. there's so much more optimisation that can be done with 1080p performance. Or even 1440p. The only game I've noticed a meaningful difference with is Sniper Elite 5. Even then I prefer close up on my LG 32" 1080p over sofa distance Sony 60" 4k.
I just don't get the point of these mid cycle upgrades. Concentrate on draining every bit of power out of the machine we have. It can't make Sony much money
I don't hate the idea. It's funny because the majority of games being released are still targeting the PS4 hardware, yet the stuff that targets the PS5 hardware seems to already be hitting a performance wall. If they do actually announce it, and if enough developers state that they will be supporting it with stronger graphics modes, then I will probably buy one eventually.
I'm not sure I'm going to buy any consoles after this gen and certainly not a Pro version of the PS5 Sony have barely released any games that aren't also availble on PS4 or isn't another TLOU remake/remaster.
I am on the fence, what would swing it for me though would be if they made the thing backwards compatible with the ps3! Ironic - shiny new box for games that have been gathering dust for a decade!
Do I need this? - arguably no
Do I want this? - Ya, Kind of
Will this make my life better or worse? - Yes!
Will I sell my launch PS5? - Probably not as I will load the old one up with PS+ digital games and use it as my streaming hub and the upstairs TV's console.
I liken this to people who buy 8k TVs, the Pro Max iPhones, and all that fancy equipment to make espresso. Is any of it necessary? My answer: FN rights it is. It's all necessary, sell me all the things...ALL OF THEM.
This message has been brought to you by corporate greed.
(I'm still preordering it as soon as it is preorderable.)
@Intr1n5ic i will buy it on day one as well. But i can’t help but already feel disappointed a tad that the CPU is going to be weak and not get us 60fps. PS5 Pro CPU 3.85ghz Xbox Series X CPU 3.80ghz. So unless there is magic in that box we don’t know about 30fps as digital foundry has said is with us until next gen.
The PS5 hasn't impressed me with much until recently, and none of that was first-party, so I am not interested.
If it is followed by release of at least 5 AAA (not AAAA) singleplayer PS5 ONLY games, than it may have some sense.
...but it never happens.
@Bingo-Bongo
I have been buying up any (non-sports) PS3 games I find at yard sales and thrift shops. If this happens it will be a MIRACLE.
@NEStalgia I don't believe this is a question of optimism. I'm offering a point of view from personal experience. I would also say it's a lot more realistic then the possibility of a net neutral scenario. This isn't a new concept, Sony have released several iterations of their consoles in most gens, from fats to slims, bigger hard drives to pros. I'm sure they have a far better understanding than you or I on what could potentially "cannibalise" their market.
I buy 99% of my electronics brand new for several reasons, I can afford to, I don't want them to be handled by someone else, and I want the manufacturers warranty. Having worked in a retail position when I was younger that sold secondhand games and consoles, I understand why that isn't an option for a significant amount of people though. I'm obviously using friends and family as examples to draw upon as well, but the primary reason I've encountered with consumers using a secondhand market is financial constraint.
Again, personal experience. I'm not speaking for the market as a whole, I'm sure there are a lot of people who just want a bargain. I'm just saying you're overstating the impact those sales have.
Pro? Ps5 box says 8K
I really hate mid consoles. Give me PS6 in 2028
@HonestHick Understandable, to be honest I am as well. From listening to the Digital Foundry guys it seems the issue was likely power consumption and that would of been too big of a mid gen overhaul. This is more of an introduction to their proprietary ai and upscaling tech.
In reality though, 60 has been an option on almost everything released this gen, both first and third party. What this machine will hopefully do is allow us to enjoy that without a significant compromise in fidelity. It's not going to make poorly optimised games run any better.
@Intr1n5ic that is my hope as well and why i am buying it. You know me well. You know i prefer Xbox mainly for the controller but above all i like power and performance and PS5 Pro will have the edge until the next gen starts. I will trade in or sell my base PS5 and gladly pay the difference for the extra horsepower. Didn’t DF also say if they went to much on the CPU it could effect backwards compatibility? So it seems like with Pro models all they can do is overclock some and not replace the whole CPU. So this isn’t like Sony short changed us, it’s part of keeping it all working correctly if i followed the videos info right.
@HonestHick This whole problem with the mid-gen is they can't really bump the CPU otherwise they've really changed the platform into a new gen. The games have to remain just as limited as before, just with more horsepower on graphics rendering. If you beef up the CPU to a different spec a game can run with a totally different design, and then it's not a mid-gen bump anymore.
But that's also what makes the mid-gen silly. One one hand it's "premium graphics". On the other hand, it's kind of a way of saying "base PS5 sucks, and we're not hiding it."
In the end a mid-gen is just the same console with a GPU upgrade, functionally. But it can't upgrade too far, either.
X1X was a bad situation though. It was hyped and on the market for a whopping 2 years. Truly no point at all. Great hardware, though. Shame it never got to breathe.
@Intr1n5ic We're not talking about slim refreshes for die shrink cost cutting, though. We're talking about "premium" editions mid-gen. They've released exactly one of those ever. And its sales weren't particularly impressive and devs, even internally, didn't pay much attention to it. Xbox also released exactly one mid-gen premium model and weren't very happy with the process enough to promise not to do it again (will they not in the face of Sony doing it, IDK, but they'd have preferred not to have to.)
I'm not really talking about whether enthusiasts actually buy them, I mean as a business pursuit, we have the data last time to show it wasn't a remarkable line of business, and in all liklihood this time it will perform worst than last time, as that was bolstered by 4kTV upgraders, a more robust VR user base, and a much better economy (with better overall console sales in the market.) This is very much a product meant for a different time and place.
I'm not hating on the idea totally, I have 2 PS4Pros sitting around. But this time around it seems like an even worse proposition than last time, and last time definitely came with some buyers remorse.
I agree with you in preferring only new electronics for all the reasons you mention, and that's not even mentioning stick drift on console controllers. But a lot of the market doesn't see it that way. And to be fair I bought my XSX's as referbs for a song like 6 months after launch. And I bought the one 4Pro used on ebay because I more or less DGAF it was an experiment with a carryable VR1 rig lol. Ironically that one held up and the one bought new started blacking out the video and beeping like the disc eject was hit with no disc in it. Just out of warranty of course...
Warranty though, warranty in the US is a joke. You get 90 days at best on most things, and when you ship them product it can disappear for weeks or months. I think PS and XB both have 1 year. XB was pretty good when I needed warranty on my XSX. I thankfully haven't needed Sony warranties. Heard bad things about it, but haven't used it. My favorite warranties are 30-90 day warranties where you have to ship the thing to China. Costs more to ship it than to just toss it and rebuy.
For us players? Unnecessary!
For sony, microsft etc money!
@HonestHick You're right, they did mention that. I can't recall exactly what was said but it would have caused conflicts with older titles.
@NEStalgia True, if we're being specific the only comparable example is the PS4 pro. I don't know the figures personally but I know it wasn't flying off the shelves.
This may do worse, we'll have to wait and see, but I think they know what they're doing. I have a feeling this is more of an experiment with their own studios to see what the proprietary tech is capable of before a proper launch with the PS6.
I didn't realise warranties were that short in the US, I'm shocked by that. Electronics are two years in the UK. Sony will state 1 year in their terms and conditions but our retailers offer more, so as long as you didn't buy from Sony direct they have no option but to honour it.
The PS5 PRO is ensuring that I don't buy a PS6 and instead I'll wait for the PS6 pro. PS5 games will probably be released on it until midway through the generation again, and if not then PS subscriptions mean I won't doll out money for the exclusives right away.
Due to a move, my PS5 was in storage for 18 months only six months after release. I have a huge backlog and feel like there is a lot more use to be had from this model. I can’t justify replacing a system I feel I’ve not spent enough time with for the sake of slightly better performance.
As has been stated, this feels far less warranted than the PS4 Pro. I think I’ll enjoy what I have and perhaps pick-up a PS6 down the line. I’m not a fan of the mid-gen refreshes at all and agree that the PS5 generation doesn’t feel as remarkable as its predecessor. I’d like to see investment in more games (including more modestly budgeted titles), rather than a PS5 Pro. Could the proposed upgrades not be saved for PS6? Do we really need them now?
There's less of an upgrade between consoles but now they're making twice as many. Just silly.
@NeonPizza I had a similar thought.
I have no problem with how the PS5 looks first of all. It is what it is.
But I wouldn't mind something the throws me back to the first three consoles this time either. And by all means keep the black and white theme, but I'd love to see the PS1 logo on it with the original colours.
Ultimately it makes no difference to me though. If it looks like a welly and plays the games I'd get it.
It would be nice though...
Nah, I’d be all over it if there were ANY stellar games this gen. But so far all we have are spruced up PS4 games.
Sony are especially guilty of releasing the same old (safe) open world games, with the same in-game collectibles, boring side quests and average plots. There’s only so many times you can play the exact same game with a different skin before the excitement wears off.
So what’s the point in having a PS5 Pro? So we can play slightly better versions of PS5 games that are slightly better versions of games that are/were available on PS4?
I keep hearing that the golden age of gaming is over. And judging by the games we’ve seen so far this gen, I’d have to agree.
PS5 Pro? I’m still waiting for the PS5 to do something (anything) that’s genuinely impressive. And it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen this year…
@wildcat_kickz
My thoughts exactly. I know this isn’t necessary, but I want it anyway for my big ol’ LG OLED too. Most people can skip this if they feel, but they should also let those of us who do want it enjoy ourselves.
@Matthewnh I feel the opposite. Maybe it's the standard versions that are pointless. Less than 10 stellar must-have games (IMO) later and we are staring down an imminent Pro release? What's the point of not waiting for a Pro?
@Intr1n5ic Yeah I think we're on the same page with the realistic sales potential of it. And you're probably right about it being an internal experiment, I had considered that as well, although I'm not sure I'm fond of the idea that it's an expensive early access beta test to design the next gen.
Yeah warranties are terrible and not handled by the retailer outside some specialty products and industries. 30 days exist. 90 days is most common on electronics. 1 years is the max you'll see other than if warranty is a mfrs product's seelling point. And for warranty service you don't go to retailers, you call the mfr, wait in the hold queue for ages because they don't actually want to help you, and are eventually told to ship it to them for repairs (they pay return shipping usually, some don't, you always pay forward shipping.). So basically if it's expensive goods like consoles you go through the hoops. If it's not, if it's not doa, you toss it and buy a new one, all sales final.
Some companies do better of course. My xsx was a pretty painless online return, ship it to them, they send a unit back a week later that looked like it was used for off road racing and the consoles we're only 11 months in existence.... That's actually good warranty service. 😆
An absolute waste of time, money and resources. I was a day one PS4 Pro buyer as by that point my OG PS4 was CREAKING along and games were pushing its boundaries, not a single one of the few true PS5 only 1st party games released have even tickled the PS5s capabilites.
Theres no way games should be struggling to achieve 30 or 60fps on a PS5 if the games were actually optimized properly.
All I know is it definitely won’t be as well received and do as well as the PS4 Pro which I had.
They can’t even get games out for this ducked up generation that has been pulled from left to right and back again.
Somehow so far this generation is the biggest duck up I’ve ever seen in the decades of gaming I have been involved in. Terrible AAA games overall with the odd gem. Poor quality and performance control and delays. It’s becoming a sham and shame of the entertainment business.
I think the industry could with a collapse again like decades ago and press the restart button and start again.
The evidence is becoming clear with the software UK charts DD2 and ROR not even at number one on first release week.
I’m very glad gamers are voting with their wallets.
Stop buying poor games and badly performing optimised games.
Feels like the base PS5 was pointless. There’s no games and yet it’s life cycle is already half over? Bruh.
The game industry expects us to pay top price for games by putting prices up, well if it nots perfect I’m not buying.
The same as in restaurants, prices have gone and are high. If the food is not perfect they replace it or I don’t pay, end of story.
Take no crap from the businesses, you want us to pay more, you produce top quality games or food to eat else you are not getting my money.
I find this more common for both examples above with us older people, fed up with pay more but get less that businesses are trying to get away with.
VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS GAMERS.
It will be interesting when sony officially annkunces the ps5 pro abit later this year that whether the specs match the rumoured info for cpu ,gpu ,a.i etc etc,and yes I'll be getting one ,but I absolutely agree that the ps5 hasn't been tapped into much at all yet I feel ,like so many others have said,the pro will be a great extra option for gamers that want extra power etc and you can never have enough of that ,but it's certainly a strange generation this one.
And yes proper optimisation for some games could certainly help alot going forward before they are released ,that would restore alot confidence for gamers
If I can trade in my current PS5 for a pro then I might do that. Otherwise I'm not overly interested.
Nah not sure it's necessary I went with.
I'm not interested in the regular PS5 let alone a Pro personally. The 8K on the box hmm, the 8K TV push I mean if there isn't any 8K TV/Movies, games can push this but by how much that's the thing. Also 8K game sizes no thanks way too big and too already but 8K TVs need to sell. 4K TVs need to sell. Not that I'm interested in one, too big for me and most systems I own at least at 1080p and under. Others I know sure they are current gen. Me I can pass.
For me I more and more become an old consoles/games fan or a console gimmick enthusiast not a console power enthusiast when it comes to tech. Old history, and gimmicks not what the companies want which is their games and graphics and story telling/genre trends/hardware to sell.
For PSVR2 and Portal it's a fine benefit. PSVR2 especially like PS4 Pro/PS5 has with the adaptor for PSVR1. But otherwise unless optimisation and actually exciting gameplay mechanics in games I'm not interested.
Also while a Pro for the other 4K wise made sense I do think 8K push hmm. That and also the CPU. The GPU sure but CPU has to stay and the RAM/GPU increases it could have eh. The PS4/Xbox One being laptops or so of the time to now current gen more I always assumed 2000 RTX series cards (AMD equivalent and custom hardware they both have these consoles).
Besides the Xbox One X, I've played some current gen games on it and yeah smart delivery ones especially to just Forza Motorsport 7 it runs badly. The hard drive aside why would I want better graphics. I'm running it at 1080p not 4K so the fact it's even worse no thanks graphics push for load times if the Pro is just as bad hard drive being SSD here of course.
I just don't know. I mean if Rift Apart had dynamic moments with it's rifts. If we had more I don't know Infamous/Spec Ops The Line dynamic moments. Not scripted overly 'perfect' games then sure but if I want that well survival games are offering them the genre that some AAA have kind of leaned into like I thought Fallout 4/76 would or got cancelled RIP Blizzard.
To me the graphics are fine, I don't care about them regardless of artstyle for the resolution increase, the textures ray tracing or not with lighting to me aren't that impressive, animations are just whatever of cutscenes to just ok or stiff in some games, character movesets are boring let alone level design, why would I want to play current gen games when I haven't seen anything impressive, the gameplay is what isn't making me upgrade. I haven't seen anything GOOD gimmicky with the hardware or just compelling new gameplay ideas yet.
Other than Ride 5 which I don't know if like Ride 4 with it's Pro feel like some MotoGP games so pass on that, but it's Forza Motorsport 1 & 2 region system I love about Ride 4 even though I can't play it. Or WRC 2023 the Sega GT style car builder I guess. The racing genre to just other games in other genres to me are so boring and unexciting of game mechanics. I don't even like those racing games I mentioned just because of them being old to new it's just comparisons that's all.
The fact they offer me exciting like older generations mechanics and happen to be on current gen is the case. Even if they aren't pushing the hardware in the gimmicky way they are in the still some mechanics appeal way and well being racing games that you'd hope do somewhat use the hardware as racing games can do. Also split screen Ride 5 on Series X cough Forza Motorsport 8. Sure it's based off Ride 4 but still proves the point it's still there and dev priorities a AA dev like Milestone can offer besides their left behind mechanics of PS2/OG Xbox era sadly.
Load times sure are good but I mean I've experienced FEAR 2 on PS3, 1.0 disk no updates the PS3 is offline, hard drive install required and 50% load after deaths and loads up the rest quickly. Just because PS4 people pushed the consoles doesn't mean I haven't gone wow, going back WAS worth it sometimes then the only current moving forward going was it always this bad, no it only was 8th gen actually. I've experienced 360/PS3 hard drive or not installs as 360 was optional and older consoles with good load times with less optimization by devs like these days. Quick Resume is digital on Xbox no thanks. I haven't come across much compelling me to upgrade. The fact that PS3/360 hard drive or not installs is still relevant because it as new then, because 360 is option, says a lot about dev/publisher nonsense in 8th gen+ mandatory installs and still running like garbage. SSDs or not. Cheap hard drives in PS4/Xbox One by default unless you swap it out as well if it has good read speeds.
The open world/RPG trends don't interest me really. 2024 has been that I only got 1 Switch game so far that's from this year, last year I got a few like Wanted Dead on PS4 it was 2023, otherwise Clive n Wrench, a few others, still was playing 2022 or retro games, still bought more retro games than current gen 2020-2024 still. The fact I've broadened my genres reach of visual novels, hack n slashes, tactics, arcade racers and more over the years to others because the titles appealed to me old and new on gameplay. Remakes or not either not whatever the worlds, character dialogue, 720p resolution and more I just don't care.
I've heard enough about the current gen big games from people playing them. I still don't care. I was open to 2022 Square titles, I haven't cared for much else on PS platforms really, not first party that's for sure but that's been since 2017, I was into Knack 2 and Gravity Rush, Dreams after that, Blood and Truth, but nowadays sorry but eh to GT7/Ratchet and the rest besides Astro's Playroom is cinematic games with gameplay I don't find interesting.
Even Xbox it was 2 smart delivery third parties, Project Cars 3 which is worse then Shift 2 Unleashed from 10 years ago (but I played them close to each other so it wasn't 10 years for me, even Shift 1 is better of the 3) and an Indie platformer Demon Turf and Demon Turf being Xbox smart delivery physical only not physical on PS/Switch is besides it's fair gameplay why I own it, because it's physical and physical Indies are nice to have. I'm not missing out. Sure Hi Fi Rush is on other platforms now which is great but not physical so pass even though I have tons of hack n slashes of past consoles or Valkyrie Elysium (aka 2022 Square PS4/PS5 only) to finish still.
The peripherals are disappointments as someone that was interested in them. PSVR2 has had many games that are probably good I haven't heard about besides all the Meta games and the is it too hard to justify a PSVR2 port/release at all stuff as well. But since I haven't heard of or played but the beginning ones gave me 2006 Red Steel 1 vibes (as someone that owns both in recent years). That's bad. Not good motion I expected. Devs that aren't good with motion controls making even Wii/PS3 move titles look good in controls then overcompensation of VR motion aka back stepping in a way when it can be better with balanced dev time and are just not trying hard enough or lazy and backtrack their controls cough No Man's Sky on PS5 PSVR2 then PS4 PSVR1 having better controls.
Third parties on either console seem ok to some exclusives third parties on PS5 but I can wait and I have people nearby that have played them. I know what they are like. Still good in my eyes but I can wait.
The PS5 POST sound being turned off I've got on Xbox One as it is so not missing out on that even if a nice feature. The UI/OS to me is not appealing it's not Xbox One/Series cross OS layout bad of navigation as the worst console OS I've ever seen or used when they had customisation before and now even more garbage ads, pages of garbage network sucking for things I can't change now THANKS, and pretend don't exist and put a game in/use an app and move on Microsoft. Or barely use the console besides some back compat and some CD/blu-rays from time to time. Their variety is fine just not exciting.
But from the eh groups then folders of PS4/Wii U/Vita/3DS I'm sorry but to me Switch/Xbox One & Series along with PS5 have the most annoying OS/UIs ever. They suck. I don't want recent games and a library tab if I already ready don't use the library on my PS4. Why would I want to use it even more now because the removed folders. Come on Sony.
I must be getting old. I haven't seen a single must-have exclusive game on the PS5 or Xbox Series. PlayStation has got rid of absolutely everything I loved about it. There's no Japan Studio or the like anymore. So I'm perfectly happy with my PS4. Games are getting more and more broken, expensive, scummy, and repetitive. Gamers just seem to argue about framerates and graphics, not quality of actual fun gameplay. There's nothing new. There's nothing interesting. And consoles are more expensive, and charge extra just to play online with friends. Honestly, I only see any point to buying occasional indies on PC, because consoles are offering nothing these days. Like I said, I must be getting old.
Same way I did about the PS4 Pro. I likely won't buy it and instead just wait for PS6 but I never rule out anything completely. I'll probably wait to get release and pricing details on Nintendo's next system first but if PS5 Pro is an upgrade worth it, I'll buy that too.
@RainbowGazelle I wonder as someone completely different from my generation likely younger than you (without going into age) half the time. I want good gameplay but I haven't seen it gimmicky show pieces or just in general more exciting mechanics because pushing RPGs/open worlds/other trends so hard, story, graphics, fair worlds, whatever dialogue or tone/themes.
So while yes many old people think so and I can agree with them. Some of us younger do feel the same way and aren't trend bought in all the time. Some of us remember or know what gaming was like prior and respect those times not just for nostalgia but the better products offered, but differently of course if we didn't grow up with them. Some people have experienced an NES at my age. I never did. So to me it's totally new.
Sure it varies from IP to IP what each of us enjoy of course so some big IPs, some genres will differ no doubt.
So there is some hope of some of us younger types into games and going yep we watch retro channels, we do what we can in retro communities with respect, we appreciate retro gaming, we may or may not be picky with modern gaming in some areas.
So I feel just as much as older generations of people going yeah I'll stick to last gen or retro consoles/games too I haven't picked up before and having a blast with hidden gems or the classics of old as much as I do researching old tech, consoles, handhelds, PCs, PDAs, old video and audio formats, whatever the case.
Companies want graphics and formulas like buy the next phone and to many of us yeah we are good with what we have/need or wait till the jump is worth it if it's optional like consoles are for our entertainment options and with for casuals or mainstream or particular gamers really excited/loyal I guess and to me it's just not exciting. Indies do the job but even some are too whatever the big games of a gen did as a base/formula and not go further which for some genres makes me disappointed in Indies as I do AAA.
I miss Japan Studios, London and more as well. To me Knack 2 as eh as it is I still enjoyed. Gravity Rush 1 & 2 as well (still yet to finish 2). Blood and Truth, buying up Playlink games for the novelty as much as I am Kinect for 360.
We gamers old or young with a particular mindset (open to old and not just current trends and we see the way the companies operate) then whatever the next trend is have seen the trends from online passes to platformers, racing, shooters, open worlds, battle royales, etc., if we already were into those games which for me was the case with many western third parties of PS3/360 era. If I already didn't like their IPs or game design direction, then pushing the ones I didn't like to PS4/Xbox One and PS5/Series consoles more didn't make me go you know what I should give in. Because why would I. XD
Some IPs changes don't help either, first or third parties depends on the stance with each person we all one those reasons of liking or not liking the direction of some that vary between us.
Indies nostalgia inspired or unique ones are still more satisfying or old gen AAA/AA have been more appealing. I've had more fun with left behind IPs by AAA even on PS3/360, mechanics of 5-7th gen or just games I've never heard of that are niche and researched besides those I've picked up. Researching 1st to 4th gen as out of reach at the moment.
Gameplay first for me. Being a collector and researching games, history and more has been more fun then giving into these companies.
Why would anybody buy a PS5 Pro when games like Rise of Rohnin are coming out that look like they belong to last gen?? Sell me some games that knock my socks off like I was promised when I bought a PS5 on day one first
@Oriion You do realise what your demanding is becoming prohibitively expensive right? These games cost 100s upon 100s of millions to make now.
I'll know when it's in my hands
@NEStalgia I think they do want people to sell/gift their PS5 and buy a Pro. That's another person buying software through PSN.
I'm pretty disgusted by the pending pro announcement. The current PS5 has so much untapped potential. I miss the PS2 days.
GTA 6 on the Pro should be sweet.
I remember when I first booted up The Last of Us Part 2 on the PS4 and thought, "Wow. This is the best-looking game I have ever seen." It was like seeing a miracle watching my PS4 run that game. By the end of the night, my room would be so hot because the PS4 was spitting so much heat out the back, but it ran beautifully. It pushed that little guy to its absolute limits.
Nothing I have played on the PS5 has even come close to that experience, where I thought my PS5 would explode trying to run something. We don't need a Pro console, we need exclusive games and better optimization.
@Oriion : "Sell me some games that knock my socks off like I was promised when I bought a PS5 on day one first"
@get2sammyb : "You do realise what your demanding is becoming prohibitively expensive right? "
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Am I missing something? Because it sounds like Sammy is argumentatively agreeing with Oriion? 🤔
@IamJT That's somewhat true, assuming that person wasn't going to eventually buy a console anyway, and assuming the type of person buying used or being gifted a PlayStation isn't also the type to buy used physical games or binge one gaas or f2p without spending a dime for 10 years....
It's funny how some people find reasons not to buy this. It's entirely your choice. However, the opinions of those who need this should not be ignored. There are no games that take advantage of the 4090's performance. But 5090 comes in the second half of the year. There are people who need this. And this brings huge margins to the industry.
There is zero reason to upgrade, perfectly happy with my ps5, I’ll skip this and possibly consider the 6
As others have said, it still doesnt feel like this generation has got off the ground properly so speaking of an upgrade feels poorly timed. Does that mean with the pro we will be getting 4K and 60fps on every game (that isnt cross gen of course) like what was touted for the normal bog standard PS5?
I'll definitely get a Pro.
Not sure why so many people are against having a more powerful option - the only thing I can think of is because they don't want to be left with the weaker model after spending all that money on it. If Sony said they would exchange your standard 5 for a Pro, no-one would complain or have issue... So it basically comes down to defending your investment. When new GPUs/CPUs come out, you don't hear people complaining in the PC space - asking why there's a need for faster components.
I mean, all for the enthusiasts and everything getting more power if they want. It isn't going to affect me personally. I would say that studios are being asked now to spread their dev efforts really thin. PC, PC handhelds, Series S, Series X, PS5 and now Pro (potentially Switch 2 depending on power). I just don't think we'll see much in the way of support to really justify it as yet. So I still think that for those early adopters, I don't see what they are going to get that other gamers wont unless it is really supported by devs.
This generation just hasn't really had much to push it forward and there are major issues in the industry like game budgets, dev time etc.
@SuntannedDuck2 Yeah, I totally agree with what you're saying. I appreciate retro and new games, but a lot of the newest trends just aren't for me. I'm 29, by the way, but sometimes I feel older! 😅
If the die hards on here (mostly) don't want it, and the editors of a ps fan site don't really want it, and the devs themselves don't want it, who the hell is this for? Still sticking with the ps4 I think.
It doesn't seem super more powerful than the standard PS5 we all have now But like an idiot I'll prolly get it anyway
PS5 PRO? Seriously? many people has a PS5 since one or two years because they couldn't buy it when it came out.
PS5 Pro? Nah
I don't think gaming will ever beat the PS360 gen, no matter how shiny they try to make it
I'd rather Sony follows suit with Nintendo, Steam and possibly Microsoft by making a (hybrid) handheld with a shared library.
I love long RPGs and the usual Sony cinematic single player games, but it's hard for me to consistently progress since I have to travel a lot.
I know many here are out for highest frame rates, resolutions, ray tracing and all those bells and whistles, but none of that has brought gaming forward significantly. I believe smart implementation of AI and creative game design will do so more than blunt Hardware power. Handhelds might not necessarily make that happen, but at least they allow more people to have the most important thing, more time and opportunities to play their games. Especially the Steam deck has shown that high fidelity gaming can be scaled for on the go.
It would be day one for me if the ps5 pro is sold with the Red Dead Redemption 2 next-gen upgrade with 60 fps, Ray tracing and AI-boosted resolution. If not i pass
I'll wait to see what Digital Foundry think of it once it's been released, but my thinking goes like this:
1. I'm a console gamer. Sorry, but sat in front of my TV is how I play games. I spend most of my working day at a desk as it is, and portable systems just don't do it for me. So I need a console.
2. That being said, I like my games to run and look as good as possible. I like gaming at 60FPS and choose performance modes wherever I can.
3. But I do lament that I have to forgo some of the 'shiny' graphical features in graphics modes when I do that.
So, taken all together, if a PS5 Pro can give me back some of those graphical perks while maintaining the 60FPS I like, I'll probably end up getting one. Once you factor in the resale value of the PS5 base model, an upgrade wouldn't be too hard on the wallet for me.
Like I say though, that's an "if", and I'll wait for reviews.
I just do not see the point of this at all. At a time when PlayStation’s profit margins are as tight as they have ever been, and a time when generational leaps are now limited, to release a mid gen console that will cost silly money, seems risky, greedy and lacking in any sense.
Sure, it will appeal to a very limited number of people and be a niche hardware product but the money for this could be used to put into what matters and that is games - and I’m not talking about AAA blockbuster stuff here as that needs to be cut down.
PlayStation are becoming so obsessed with hardware that the games are drying up.
I don’t know why they don’t just shelve the idea of a PS5 Pro and just release the PS6 when the time comes and he market is ready as a whole.
If they release just a limited amount of the PRO console, then maybe that will be fine but they also risk making losses on the console and that could very easily push PlayStation into the red.
It’s a risky game they are about to play and one that they do not need to take at all.
I’m more interested in this than the edge or portal but I’m concerned about price. That’s the only thing that may stop me upgrading.
@get2sammyb @NEStalgia I’m well aware of the cost and I am indeed that person who buys every console. (I also bought the portal which I actually play more than the PS5 itself lately). The last console that was purchased for me was a PS2, I am well aware of the development costs of these games and the painful effects higher interest rates of late have on financing costs for game developers. None of this should be a justification for me to purchase an upgraded system though when it feels like it’s still early in its lifecycle. Hot take: Deathloop feels like my only essential PS5 game so far! I will still play MGS 3 remake on day one and if there is actually a graphic difference there between PS5 and pro, maybe I can be convinced otherwise but until then, I’m on the sidelines.
Day 1for me if we see a roadmap of Sony exclusives that can take advantage of the performance.
For x-platform games I'm afraid the Xbox S holds everything back, whilst its not everything we will have a 33TF console towering over a 4TF console - thats just ridiculous to try and code for them both.
@Dudditz09 Agreed 100%. If anything, my next purchase for more fun out of gaming will be a better quality 4K TV, probably mini-led to replace my Sony LED backlit one.
@get2sammyb
On your point of development costs.
Reading a number of technical reviews, the most interesting part of the Pro seems to be the new hardware based upscaler (PSSR) - with a number of other upgrades like the RAM pool being to facilitate it, and which may improve frame rates far more significantly than the CPU boost (particularly for GPU limited games).
I have wondered if the PSSR is designed in a way so that it signifcantly reduces optimisation required by devs, and therefore reduces dev costs when targetting Pro. 'Smoothing out' optimisation could indeed be a priority for Pro.
Though this may actually create a horrible knock on for base PS5 games, where some devs may release even more unoptimised than they do now.
In any event, like many others, I am on the fence until I see what the Pro will do for framerates overall - higher fidelity in 60fps+ modes would be nice, but my first care is that it will help games achieve 60 or higher.
I already have a gaming laptop and ps5, but I'm not getting a pro no way. I've put together a desktop system all corsair/asus, RTX4070 super, about £1,100, if the PS6 is worthwhile, I might buy one.
I think the PS5 hardware was fine, on the scale of things, it's just the games are really optimized for it, simple as that. The PS4 was weak as hell, most of all the CPU but people worked really hard to push it, this time, it's like the developers don't care.
@Glens0n I can run it at 1440p 60fps on RTX2050 laptop, no RT though. Even XBOX can run it at 60fps and higher res...
@OldGamer999 I don’t know if your comment was intentional or predictive text but it’s so ducked up it made me laugh 😂
@Dodoo
Quack quack 🦆
Nope. I am still 100% happy with my 3080/PS5 combo for home.
But I started gaming on PC, where you get upgraded hardware just about every year. So an updated PS5 is not an issue in my book - let consumers decide if they need an upgrade or not.
Personally I'm fine with my "base" PS5, but if the Pro keeps the frame/pixel-counters happy, then great.
Ill be picking one up as I still havent picked up a PS5 due to the lack of exclusives I want to play (I played returnal on PC)
But the main reason for me picking it up will be for MHW2 next year. Most of my long term hunter friends will be picking up the title on PS5. So unless they announce cross play I dont really have a choice (plus I still want RE4/Village VR.....but is that worth another £600?)
I couldn't care less at the moment.
This gen have been incredibly boring.
Both AAA and Indies are just releasing the same kind of games, over and over again.
Maybe I'm just bored of modern games.
I'm having much more fun, with PS2 games now.
I’m getting the Pro day one.
Yes we are only beginning to see the base machines capabilities being tapped into, but it is clear they come with a price.
It would be unrealistic to expect that the PS5 can deliver twice the frame rate, several times the pixel count AND a host of next gen features at once, compared to previous gen. If so, the PS5 would have been 1000$ at launch.
Something’s gotta give and that is what is increasingly happening.
This is why we need a Pro console, for those of us who wants to stay on the PlayStation platform, but does not want to comprise with image quality and frame rate to get next gen visual features and fidelity.
Have had a PS5 for 2 years now & pretty happy with it. Doubt I’ll get a Pro unless my PS5 breaks. Other factor for me not wanting one is that the Switch successor will be out soon. Would rather spend for that instead of a PS5 Pro especially if my PS5 is still working.
@Gamer42 Thing thing is, it will still be below a reasonable 4070 super system. Sure it will be about 2/3rds of the price, but it won't be able to compete, especially, when you throw DLSS, Frame Gen etc in.
And the RTX5000 series is coming, to some extent, that'll be the new target for higher end play. It's really not the hardware of the PS5, it's just not being used in an efficient manner. The PS4 was pretty awful hardware wise, most of all the CPU. But the games pushed what should have been possible. We're just not seeing that in so many cases this time.
Yeah, it will probably be somewhere in the 4070 range. But we don’t know how PSSR and frame gen will work.
Including RT, I am sure the Pro will perform very well.
Both the base and Pro will continue to progress and deliver amazing looking games. However it is not realistic not to expect some concession regarding image quality and RT on the base system - no matter how much time and effort is put in to the development.
Based on the spec leaks, I'm completely here for it. However if the price is extortionate i.e. north of £500 - £600, absolutely no chance.
I'm not spending that sort of money to only have the PS6 release in 3-4 years time.
Bought too many ps5's and too many dualsense controllers to go pro straight away..
I'll be holding out for PS6
@RainbowGazelle Oh ok not as old as I thought but that few year gap changes things.
They really need to show us a reason why we should upgrade, a few more FPS isn't going to achieve that tbh.
All the big console companies need to start thinking clearly about consumers. We are in a cost of living crisis. Is now really the time to be charging full price for between generation upgrades? Developers aren't even utilising the current PS5 hardware properly. Why is PlayStation doubling down on this instead of working with developers to support basic features of the console, like gyro, adaptive triggers, as well as bringing its whole classic catalogue to the gamepass etc. I won't be buying the pro model. And as someone who bought a PS5 less than a year ago, it feels like a kick in the teeth.
@Shwing
Yeah Right!
I Don't Understand all the Negativity about a simple Mid-Gen Refresh, and especially with it coming in at a (Full Extra Year Later at 4yrs), which is actually Longer than the PS4 PRO did at 3 yrs after the PS4 Launched, so it shows that Sony's acutely aware of the Lag and Backlog that the Pandemic caused, and so their responding with a 1 year Delay with the PS5 PRO Launch in November 2024.
So again, why all the Negativity for it's Very Existence?
I mean it comes down to such a simple prospect...if you don't want it, simply don't buy it?
I'm Personally Excited, So I know I'LL get it Day 1, just like I Did with the PS4 PRO!
(I think there might be something to what you said in your Post)- "If Sony said they would exchange your standard 5 for a Pro, no-one would complain or have issue... So it basically comes down to defending your investment."
With a lot of people getting a PS5's late in this GEN's Console Cycle, you might be right, but still why so much hate?
After all isn't Gaming supposed to be about having Fun?
Happy Gaming ✌!
People say they dont need a ps5 pro but will shell out for an underpowered switch 2 lol
I've moved onto pc gaming last year, but as a Day 1 PS4 Pro and PS5 adopter, this seems to be excessive & unnecessary. There's only 3, maybe 4 more years left in this generation/life cycle, and by that time they will be asking people to jump on PS6? They are treating consoles like cell phones, to be replaced every few years...
This generation has been extremely underwhelming on a technical level, as the article says hardly any games have harnessed the potential of the PS5, many titles are subpar graphics and/or terribly optimised. Combined with a lack of system selling titles or new exciting franchises, a market swamped with creatively bankrupt remasters, and the PS4 not being retired 4 years into the PS5's lifespan.... I've not got much good to say about this generation or the state of gaming. I won't be investing in a PS5 pro as I simply don't see it as worthwhile. I'll hope PS6 and the devs learn lessons from this generation and wait for that.
@Fritz167 under a year for me, they only became readily available in the UK a year ago. This generation is a joke, especially with this kick in the teeth pro release.
I mean, even if the PS5 Pro was worth it, most of us wouldn't be able to get one for another year or two since all the bots/scalpers are buying them within minutes. By then the PS6 would be out.
I have been thinking the same as a few others in this thread regarding the CPU & FPS dilemma.
Thing is, what with all the custom tweaks in the Pro, you might find that it all comes together to reduce overall taxation on the system in order to free up enough resources to push for 60fps. I know the CPU only had an additional 10%, but with PSSR and a few other tricks, the system may very well claw back the extra required to push game X to 60fps at a decent resolution.
Thing we have to remember is Mark Cerny is a system master.
Then there's the supposed 8K resolution (or upscaled version of it). Unlike the PS4 Pro, 4K resolution was already available for TVs and monitors, and games had that resolution. Currently, there is zero 8K resolution for any entertainment media in the near future, so there is zero point for a PS5 Pro in that area. Have to wait-n-see if GTA6 will support native 4K/60fps on the Pro version.
I am a bit gutted about this. My PS5 is only 2 years old and Sony are pushing out a PS5 pro. The PS4 pro never interested me so can’t see the PS5 pro interesting me either.
If I wouldn’t have a PS5? Sure, but since I have one it’s pointless to me. If they would have shorten the cycle and release a PS6 that would be different.
Also, this Pro will not be impressive (game wise) compared to the regular PS5. PS5 has been underwhelming this generation, partly because of keeping cross-gen into the equation so why will this Pro version be important? The only positive thing I can see is what developers can make or be able to make when PS6 dev kits will appear (already been experimenting with those extras). But that being said, even the latter must be a bigger leap than Reg PS5 to PS5 Pro? And making reg PS5 games inferior to Pro PS5 game isn’t a good look either imo.
A fool and his money are easily parted (and Sony will be happy to take it too)!
Totally fine with it.....if you don't want it don't get it if you do buy it simple as that, I'm in the buy it camp.....well as long as I can get one on day 1......F the scalpers
I'm thinking GT7 4K@120. If it can do that it's certainly worth it.
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