It’s not officially confirmed, but it’s pretty much as good as: Guerrilla, one of Sony’s flagship first-party developers, is remastering its 2017 open world RPG Horizon Zero Dawn for the PS5. It’s important to underline one thing here: we don’t know the full details. While recent releases like Naughty Dog’s $70 remake of The Last of Us will have fans anticipating the worst, this could still be a free upgrade – or, at the very least, a budget priced release. That’s the problem with leaks, ultimately – you only get a portion of the story.
Nevertheless, this rumour has clearly come with some concern from PlayStation fans: just what is the company playing at? You’ve got to understand the context to appreciate where enthusiasts are coming from: Sony has been tight-lipped all year, refusing to reveal much about any of its upcoming first-party projects, and then weeks after releasing a divisive remake, rumours emerge of a remaster for a game that’s half as old. It paints the picture of an increasingly creatively bankrupt publisher, whether that’s true or not.
The remaster, according to reports, will bring Aloy’s original outing in line with sequel Horizon Forbidden West, incorporating accessibility options, improved lighting, animations, and much more. But while all of these enhancements sound agreeable, it should be noted that Horizon Zero Dawn still holds up well – especially on the PS5, where it was recently updated to run at 60 frames-per-second. In fact, we’d argue there’s not a humongous difference between the first game and its sequel, as they both share many of the same gameplay systems and features.
It should be stressed that this will not be occupying all of the Dutch developer’s resources: it’s also collaborating with Firesprite on PSVR2 exclusive Horizon Call of the Mountain, and the rumour adds that it has a multiplayer spin-off in production as well. There’s also a television show coming to Netflix, which perhaps helps demonstrate just how important the series is to Sony right now. Overall, we’d be surprised if this remaster was consuming a lot of the company’s resources.
But the reality is that it will be taking up some resources, and that’s where the frustration sets in. Fans want new and exciting projects from PlayStation Studios, and with the manufacturer being so secretive, it feels like there’s very little of that on the horizon. Ultimately, this all comes back to the company’s communication failings: with so much of its lineup underwraps, it can feel like all Sony has left for us this generation is remakes and remasters of its best games from the past decade.
This moment will pass, and we’re willing to give Guerrilla and the platform holder the benefit of the doubt until it’s able to properly communicate its plans for the unannounced Horizon Zero Dawn remaster. But we understand where the irritation from fans is coming from: Nintendo is notorious for its re-releases, but even the prospect of a remastered version of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild – a game which notoriously launched about one week later than Horizon Zero Dawn – seems utterly absurd.
Let’s hope Sony is able to get out in front of this rumour and communicate exactly what it’s got planned sooner rather than later.
What are your thoughts on the strong rumours regarding the Horizon Zero Dawn remaster? Is this something you’re interested in, or a total waste of resources? Sound off in the comments section below.
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Ehhhhhhh........Naw !!
My guess is that they're making these remakes/remasters just to bolster their dry line-up, so many games are still behind schedule due to Covid having a massive impact on game development.
"It paints the picture of an increasingly creatively bankrupt publisher, whether that’s true or not."
Its true. Maybe Sony wouldnt need to cry to EU politicians about MS taking away CoD and other big IPs (like western RPGs) If they would have diversified their IP portfolio and not dropped almost everything except cinematic 3rd Person Open World Games lol
I’m almost certain this is going to be like Legacy of Thieves - higher res, tempest audio, haptics and triggers, 120hz modes, $10 upgrade.
People going straight to “of course they’ll make you pay $70” simply need to be negative for whatever reason.
@Milt Well then remaster Games that arent easily playable on PS4/5
Free or at least on the PS Extra service. Anything less then this and I expect this to die a death.
We need to discuss this horizon zero dawn ps5 remaster.... Again
For people who don’t own it it’s fantastic they can get a better version for their PS5. For those of us who have finished it…well, it’s not for us, so it’s irrelevant.
The dev developed the technology for the sequel so why not put it to use for those who haven’t experienced the original yet?
As long as Bloodborne and/or Gravity Rush 2 are next, all is forgiven Sony
@Ashina You know as well as I do that they will never touch any Japan Studio Game again
On a serious note I think they will make a remaster for a new audience when the tv show and multiplayer game releases, Horizon as a franchise is about to become massive and also a VR game coming as well. For me this is going to bring a lot of attention to the series that it fully deserves.
Same happened with the last of us remake, just in time before the new TV show and multiplayer game. They are doing whatever they can to increase the audience for these games, so that when Horizon 3 and TLOU 3 come out they have a bigger potential buyer count
Remaster something stuck on ps3, like infamous games, folklore Drakengard 3 and so one
Too many unanswered questions, some of which could make this a non-issue.
For example, if this is free for those who own the game, or even if it charges £10 (like Uncharted did) then cool.
So no point getting worked up about this now.
For people screaming about this being a 'waste of resources' I say, mind the business that pays you. They are not your resources to waste. At least, that's how I console myself whenever studios release unnecessary games.
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If it's a tenner than I'll bite because HZD is my fave PS exclusive. If it's a full price £70 release then I'll scoff at Sony.
I'm good. I'll probably skip it but I don't see the harm either.
None of us know what Sony's resources are like, who was assigned to this project and what else is being worked on.
What we do know for certain, because Sony themselves have told us, is that more than half of the titles that they have in development are new IP.
For now I'm happy with what I have and with what has already been revealed. The rest will be revealed in time.
@jrt87
They have PSVR2, the main reason I bought a PS5. That shows oodles of ambition in my book.
Is this all but confirmed? All I’ve seen are a bunch of media outlets referencing a rumor about a supposed leaked document, but none of them have actualy seen the document or confirmed its validity. Everyone’s just referencing each other as if that means something is true.
Personally, I’m okay with whatever remasters Sony wants to do because I can choose what to spend my money on, although I’d prefer remasters of ps3 games right now (God of War, Ratchet and Clank, infamous, Sly, Killzone), and I imagine some of them are in the works. If this is a $10 upgrade I’ll buy it.
Totally unnecessary but then again if FIFA & CoD can do what they like when we all know the yearly changes can be offered as $15 upgrade, Sony has a right to also do what they like. Any extra money going in Sony's devs pockets is better than going to those 2.
HZD still looks great and is natively playable on PS5.
I mean, I don't care if this exists or not (I don't pretend I need to purchase every video game that releases), but this feels extremely pointless.
@PhantomMenace84 TLOU Remastered was a much more sensible release, since it came out close to when a lot of Playstation owners were upgrading to a new system, and the PS4 wasn't b/c with the PS3. That re-release made a ton of sense, akin to Breath of the Wild releasing on both Wii U and Switch.
If this is a genuine remake, I find it kind of pointless. What exactly is the point? The game is accessible on the PS4 and has already received a patch for the PS5.
Nevertheless, I’ll openly admit that I will purchase the game, even if it’s $70.00. I thoroughly enjoyed the Zero Dawn when it originally released, and got the platinum trophy. I also got the platinum for HFW a couple of days ago.
Similarly to The Last of Us Part 1 remake, it wasn’t necessary; however, I think it’s the absolute essential way to play the game (I also got the platinum for that, too). Sure, the $70.00 price tag is off putting, but it’s seminal experience.
Plus, I don’t consider the price that expensive considering how much we as consumers pay for other forms of media. People rent movies on Amazon for $20.00 and that will only last them two hours, tops - and it’ll cost even more if you go to the theater and buy food. Right there you’ll be spending close to $70.00 on an experience that may not be worth it, and it’s short lived. With gaming, you own the game for good and can replay it over and over, and the experience lasts for hours/weeks/and even months.
Personally, I don’t think the price is an issue for me. The question is: Is this necessary? The answer is no. That won’t stop me from buying it though, because I wouldn’t mind getting the platinum trophy for it again.
Feels a bit like how I wound up with three copies of Citizen Kane, with each version slightly improved by the leap from DVD to BluRay to 4k. Is it necessary? No, but it’s nice to have it available.
The sad news is, this isn't the last PS4-PS5 remaster you'll see. I expect God of War 2018 will get the same treatment, I wouldn't even be surprised if Shadow of the Colossus is released once again as well.
Sony under Jim Ryan are sadly creatively moribund.
If we want actual, real change then games like Last of Us Part 1 can't sell as well as they do. Ryan is a businessman before a gamer, and he's always going to chase the money. Only by the money going away is he going to change course.
Well yes, Nintendo is notorious with re-releases and charging full price is absurd but the Switch isn’t backwards compatible with the Wii U or any of the previous Nintendo consoles. So they kinda but not completely get a pass.
But the PS5 is backwards compatible with PS4 hence there is more outrage because of it. And like people said, HZD still looks good to this day and it has been updated to 60 fps on PS5. So there is no point in remastering this game for PS5.
This is most likely going to be a "Director's Cut" like Ghost of Tsushima and Death Stranding with a $10 upgrade. I'd be down for that, but nothing more than that
@chasimus and add more content to it?
I see the appeal for Sony to put their best PS4 games on PS5. Many folks won't but PS4 games for their PS5, even if the PS4 game is playable. I haven't bought the Last of Us Part II yet because I anticipate a proper PS5 release, rather than a PS4 game with a performance patch.
You've got to think, who is this really for?
If you wanted to play the first one you surely would have done it by now.
If you haven't played it by now you probably don't want to.
If you're watching the TV show when it comes out and think you might want to take a dip, with the cost of living as it is, wouldn't you just get the cheaper ps4 version, already patched to 60fps?
Must be a cheap upgrade to make for Guerilla and Sony, defo to coincide with the TV show.
I've played both Horizon games a bunch and completed the first one twice (and got Platinum), both are great but do I wanna go in for round 3 on the first game with slightly upgraded textures and assets, nope!
PlayStation in 2022: Remasters, PC Ports, crying about COD. One thing noticeably absent: PS5 exclusives.
I don't know how anyone can be happy about this, they've abandoned the brand new console and are almost mocking console players to buy whatever they put out. This isn't arrogant PS3 Sony, this is a whole different beast.
Good game but I didn’t enjoy it enough to even consider playing again with shinier graphics. So no.
@UltimateOtaku91 "On a serious note I think they will make a remaster for a new audience"
Does the label on the plastic game box need to say PS5 for it to reach a new audience? They can play HZD right now on their favorite PS5 in Dynamic 4K 60fps, does Alloy need a few extra pixels for her to truly reach new heights?
Three Things:
1. As always, Sony doesn't actually need to do anything because the reality of its projects in development will tell their own story. If they have the games then however long they wait will ultimately be irrelevant. If they don't, then that will do all the real damage to Sony. We were told Sony had to get in front of rumors of no games at launch by having a reveal in February or March. That if they didn't then Sony lost the gen already. Flash forward to June and the showcase did everything they needed and those that told us that Sony's silence meant they had nothing were themselves silent.
2. As with many occasions so far, the outrage has at its basis something other then the incident itself. In this case it goes back to people wanting to know more and being impatient. Sony is apparently so creatively bankrupt that in the last few days we know they are making HFW DLC, HZD multiplayer, and we already knew about the VR game. We already know about GOWR, Spider-Man, and Wolverine but these aren't new games... Neither were R&C or Returnal. The statement on the supposed creative bankruptcy is already incorrect for recent past, present, and future. This is the power of impatience.
3. If you want to know what Sony is doing, they are using synergy for multiple projects around their IP. TLOUR, MP, and the Show. HZDR, MP, VR, and the Show are the gameplan. The remakes don't feel necessary to you because Sony's pitch with these is to bring in new fans.
If you want to know "What is Sony even doing?" They are ignoring the impatient cries and working on their own timetable knowing that for all the bluster, if they end up delivering content then all of the noise goes away because all of the noise is built on fear of no content. Show Don't Tell is going to be the way under Jim Ryan because he's not charismatic but he is doing his job when it comes to getting quality content together.
Im not buying that sh👎t . horizon zero dawn complete edition already looks amazing on ps4 and ps4 pro.why not do a remaster or a remake of bloodborne.word up son
Would like to see them take a step back and focus on some of the diversity we got during past generations. Seems like they have run themselves into a bit of a corner with huge development costs and production values, its a shame.
@jrt87
Lol, joker.
This needs another option for No, because I'm not interested but don't think it is a waste of resources.
First, if you think they're doing this over a sequel for HZFW or DLC you're nuts.
Also I doubt it is a remake, probably more of a remaster, and if you have played or own HZD you're not the target audience.
Not defending Sony here, I don't care about what major corps do, but I keep seeing this discourse everywhere as if this is new in the industry. In the meantime Nintendo keep doing this every single generation and there's not even half the articles/posts/etc about it in most media places or twitter or wtv.
I mean Skyrim just got a new version a couple weeks ago. How many are those now?
@Master_Shake Excellent comment. You just said it better than any of us.
@Rmg0731 I'd buy a Folklore remaster in a heartbeat.
@Athrum that Skyrim version isn’t actually new. That new Skyrim edition on Switch is the same one that released on other consoles like a year or 2 ago. They’re just releasing the anniversary edition on Switch which already came out on other consoles. So imo it’s not new
Nothing to discuss here. It's idiotic and another cash-grabber move from Sony...
Poll is a bit biased. I'm not interested, but I don't consider it as a waste of resources. It'll not be teaching up a huge amount and it's their choice. Will sell pretty well I imagine regardless of the outrage online.
There needs to be a No option because I'm not interested in this but I don't think it's a waste of resources at all. This remaster could bring new players to the game which is always good because HZD is an amazing game, the only reason I'm not interested is because I sunk many many hours into the original and I got the platinum so I don't feel the need to play again.
It just blew my mind when I discovered on my brand new PS5 that most of my beloved games "next-gen updates" were hidden behind some kind of a paywall.
FVII ? Free upgrade, yeah, but a real mess to find (the store REALLY WANTED me to pay 80 bucks for the PS5 version) and then... 20 bucks for the brand new DLC that was the main appeal of the all thing. But hey, fair enough, I guess.
Death Stranding. 10 bucks to update to the PS5 version. But hey, it's the "director's cut" with brand new features. So yeah, fair enough, again. But still. Another paid update. But ok.
Uncharted 4. 10 bucks to update to the PS5 version. But hey, it's the Legacy of Thieves collection, wich includes the DLC wich I didn't even possesed. So it's ok, all in all. Fair enough.
So yeah, taken individually, I can everytime understand the reason behind those little extra bucks they ask. It's never just a simple patch (some games did get their free patchs, though : God of War, Last of Us 2... and Horizon, for exemple), but still... You cannot retain the feeling that everytime, you have to pay for something.
Last of Us Part 1 ? I understood the debate, and I'm a part of the problem, here, cause I bought it despite the fact that owning the original PS3 release AND the remaster. But I sold the remaster for buying the remake, just to clear my conscience a little.
And now... an Horizon PS5 version ? Again, if it's accessible for 10 bucks, to those who possess the PS4 version, why not.
In a perfect world, we would get it for free.
But I'm starting to feel that the Jim Ryan era is far from a perfect world.
If its the accessibility features, then fine, that should be a free update, and absolutely not paywalled (can you imagine the message that would send... less-abled gamers get to pay extra, yaaaay!). But given that H:ZD has been patched to run great on PS5, is backwards compatible and available for purchase, there is no point in re-releasing it. Well, other than $$...
This is in contrast to TLoU:P1, which while I didn't buy it, I could see the point for people that missed the original. I just realised it wasn't for me; my nostalgic memories of the original release put it on a par with everything I've seen of the remake, even if it isn't technically true. It's for people like my wife who, if she like the TV show when that comes out, I might recommend she tries the game and, if she's up for it, I'll buy her the recent Part 1 version so she can experience it at its very best.
@Voltan
If it were that way I might would pay 10$ since I got the OG for like 9$ and haven't played much of it.
I wouldn't rebuy even at like 30$ though as the og looks fine enough after the 60fps patch.
I voted no, but it isnt a waste of resources.
This whole piece is dumb.
Sony thinks there is a market for this.
That means they expect to make a profit.
End of story.
It doesnt make a profit? Then they stop doing this.
Simple. Dont get the hullabaloo
Give it a few months and they’ll be remaking God of War PS4 next
@jrt87 lmao poorly designed u.i. are you serious? I have both systems and Xbox series x is atrocious to navigate whether that’s the store and your own games smh. Gamers are a bunch of babies like you whining that they haven’t delivered I’m sorry so far this gen they’ve given us Sackboy,Miles Morales,HFW,Returnal,GT 7,R&C Rift Apart,Demons souls and TLOU remakes plus awesome smaller titles like Sifu,Kena,Stray with GOW Ragnarok still to come. I’ve had more games to play than time and I’m so happy I own both systems because if I was just an Xbox owner Jesus I would be starved with their anemic line up for the first two years lol.
For nostalgia's sake, this remaster should launch one week before The Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom launches.
Seriously though, the optics aren't great. Remasters and re-releases kind of made sense between the PS3 and PS4 era because the PS4 didn't run PS3 games. It gave people who may have skipped the PS3 era a chance to play some PS3 gems on the PS4.
But to remaster a game that still runs on PS5 hardware (and I believe even gets a boost on PS5) just looks like a cash grab.
...I mean it's only 5 years old! Plus Zero Dawn is widely available on PS4, PS5, and PC! Why not task this team with a Killzone collection or better yet, a new Killzone? Or something else entirely? Have some faith that your games can stand the test of time!
I sincerely hope this turns out to be a false leak. The multiplayer game is fine. At least it's something new. A Zero Dawn Remake is baffling.
I don't get why people are that surprised or are complaining about this. Depending on the price of this I'd be interested(I wouldn't buy it asap since I beat the game this year) but if they add new features, update the graphics, and add the accessibility options its worth $30-$40. Now if Sony makes it $70 that's a big no.
I'm not that surprised, don't be surprised to see The Last of Us Part II, Ghost of Tsushima probably and maybe some surprise game to get remake/remaster. Their is a market for these things, just not at $70. Hopefully Sony realized the backlash they received for The Last of Us Part 1's $70 price tag and make the games $30-$40.
Killzone, Resistance, Syphon Filter. Remake some games that actually should be remade!
@aj21009 none of those should be remade, a new title in the series sure
@jrt87 Hell, I’ve haven’t owned an Xbox since the 360, but I recently bought a Series X and Steamdeck because of my displeasure of Sony’s current path.
Again, I haven’t felt the need to get another system in over a decade…. but the current Sony pushed me towards them. I even owned the PSP and Vita, now, a Steamdeck.
Sony wants to pretend games are expensive to charge 70 but then waste resources on something like this? Get out of here sony. Be better. Making PC look like the better choice more and more this gen.
There we go again as if this is news. Lets look at the facts:
1) A tv series is being made of the Horizon ip.
2) So a PC version needs to be re-released on PC.
3) And because of that they use the updated engine, texture etc to make the re-release.
4) They re-release it also on PS as it doesn't cost them anything and there are enough people who double dip.
5) All this is probably mainly done by juniors and interns and it's a nice learning oppertunety.
6) It make a few more millions of free money (to probably dump in MP/Live Service crap).
Massive playstation fan and I think this would be an absolutely abysmal money grab and depresses me a little. Sony built their house on strong IP not remastering titles constantly.
@thefourfoldroot1 "For people who don’t own it it’s fantastic they can get a better version for their PS5." except for the fact it's not? You can literally buy horizon for 10-20 bucks at your local retailer and it runs at 60 fps and looks great. Hell it was even FREE through ps collection.
Didn't we have an entire article on the importance of accessibility? Not only will remasters like this and TLOU give the devs some experience with developing these features for the PS5, but it'll give them a chance to expand their audience. It's not as easy as just patching it into an already existing game. If it allows more people to play an already stellar game, then so be it.
This already reeks of everyone calling out the TLOU remake as a cash grab and when it's finally getting out the door everyone switches to "yeah I'm gonna pick this up, can't wait."
Also everyone would go wild over a BOTW remaster for the Switch 2 if it was running at 60 fps, let's not be silly.
The game is only 5 years old ffs 🤦🏻♂️
@anoyonmus yeah like DualSense features, better textures, etc. The stuff they did for GoT is what I'm thinking
The article presents a good set of discussion topics (I suggest some of the commenters actually read it). I just want to comment on the discussion regarding remaking/remastering game X instead of game Y.
Remastering older games well can be a great deal more difficult than it seems. Game developers acted as though version control did not exist for far longer than they should have. You may have incomplete assets for code as well as artwork. The cost of a remaster may be prohibitive.
Anecdote Time:
I once worked on a remaster of an old PS1 era game. We had to search through different archives of the code: all of them incomplete. The source was heavily dependent upon assembly language with very little documentation. A LOT of time was spent just trying to figure out what each module actually did in the grand scheme of the game. My final recommendation was that they emulate the original or do a complete rewrite. The cost wasn't justified so the project was scrapped.
All of that is to say there may be other reasons your favorite game of all time is not being remastered. Wishing for it may not work. (But just in case it does: I wish for a remake of Parasite Eve.)
I honestly don't see this needing a huge effort. They would probably get 90% of the way there just moving the existing maps and missions to the version of the engine they used for Forbidden West, and using some of the highest resolution textures etc from the PC port. Then it's a QA pass and fixing anything that didn't quite carry over, and for the effort you get the original game with all the new accessibility features, plus updated visuals.
The only thing which might make it a lot of effort is if they revamp all the cinematics and dialogue, which are much more dynamic in the sequel - that would either mean hand animating dozens of hours of animation, or bringing the actors back into the studio
On one hand, I can understand these remasters targeting those new to the Playstation Ecosystem that have not played the original games.
But on the other, it is just the price. Even targeting those players I cannot understand or see how they could justify the £70 price tag on Last of Us Part I so if this goes the same way it paints a very bad picture.
Ugh, just finish the trilogy!
Whoever is running PlayStation at the moment is doing a terrible job really :-/ The start of this Gen was good but then we had games that were going to be PS5 only come to PS4 to then the 'STUPID' PlayStation to PC Ports that 'NO' PlayStation owner cares about then this which is POINTLESS for people who had a PS4...etc etc(& it seems every week now SONY do something to annoy people) I still LOVE my PS5 & the PlayStation brand but SONY are doing to many silly things that spoil the good things they do. Oh well.
Id rather sat 70 dollars on fire than to buy this and promote this kind of development going forward.
Rather have a Bloodborne PS5 remake.
Sammy moves ever closer to admitting that Jim Ryan is a terrible leader for PlayStation…
We didnt need to discuss this..what we need to discuss is pushsquares need to rattle everybodys cages..give it a rest..
Both games are formidable, but I've played both recently and I personally couldn't justify buying it again for a full cost or even £10, I bought the legacy update and in all honesty, that's a great game too but I shouldn't have, and it generally wasnt needed. So I'll pass. But for anyone that hasn't played either before, you will be in for a nice treat.
I personally don't mind remakes. I just wnat remakes of games that do deserve it.
Heck, if I'm being honest, I actually wouldn't mind a remake of Nathan Drake's first adventure, with combat as refined as UC4's, maybe sneaking in some new mechanics introduced in UC3/4, improving the Ai, and maybe even make the final boss actually, you know, fun lol since uncharted is still a popular sony IP, I think it could work.
Also, we're in due for a God of war remastered collection. Sales could sky rocket thanks to God of War 2018 and Ragnarok's popularity.
Again, I think remasters and remakes are fine, and I'm not surprised Sony is making them as "appetizers". Still, really makes me miss the time were Sony were showing off many of their upcoming games left and right.
I really do not get the outrage about remasters. People behave like a remaster would consume the same resources as a new game. It does not. In this particular case (and TLOU), it is presumably even less work, since the old assets "only" have to be ported to the new engine. It is certainly some work, otherwise it would just work automatically, but it is not 5 years of work of 100 people.
We know there are other things in development than marvel games and remasters at Sony studios. There is a e.g. new game being developed at Santa Monica and Bend studios, a new game is rumoured to be developed by Naughty Dog. Not much is known about the other studios. So, if somebody already played the to-be-remastered games and is not interested in replaying them at slightly higher fidelity. Then, these games are just not for that particular person, as are the other 3500 games this person did not buy. So what. there are other games.
I personally enjoyed the PS5 remaster of FFVII, and the Death Stranding director's cut. Also, if these games are on a more modern platform chances are high that they will also be available on the next system, assuming there will be one.
Concerning HZD: I personally liked it, and if I play it again, I would rather play a more shiny version. If they added VR support, than it would be (obviously) a completely different story, and it would be an immediate pre-order (unless TLOU also would have VR support, then it would be a tough decision which one to get first). But I fear neither one nor the other
I wouldn’t mind playing the first game again with the Dualsense features - I wouldn’t pay for it though.
The second game was a huge letdown for me but the first game was brilliant.
@WillMerfi you make it sound like a war. Draw the line where ever you want by not buying stuff you aren't interested in.
Why do people have this preposterous assumption that playstation owners have to buy everything released by Sony.
At least we don’t have to worry about PS5 games being remastered on the PS6 (because there aren’t any lol).
if its just a $10 upgrade im cool about it since im planning to play the first game soon, but if its a full price game... nah, the ps4 version is fine
@RedRiot193
But this is a new ps5 version right? Presumably with upgrades. What’s wrong with that? If you’ve never played the original then presumably you’ve lost nothing by getting this version. And it’s not like the other version disappears from existence (unless you’re the type of person who got the digital only console because you care nothing about cost I guess).
Absolute waste of resources. I hope it flops and makes Sony think again about remastering 5 yr old games, ridiculous.
I mean the original is like $10 everywhere now but sure run out and buy the $70 version I guess?
Based on here and the online rhetoric, Sony have made a mistake here it seems 😬
Clearly, it seems Sony want to support Playstation productions tv stuff with game releases to capitilise on new audiences- a la uncharted legacy of thieves collection / uncharted movie; last of us pt 1 remake / LoU tv show; and now this with the conformation of the tv series. To an extent they started this with the 2016(?) Ratchet and clank remake longdide the movie
I guess we should expect to see remasters of Ghost of Tsushima and God of War 2018 when those shows drop; and we have heard loud noises about twisted metal.
I can understand why they are doing it - but i think they have miscalculated the damage their lack of updates (aka a showcase) has caused. If the core audience had something to look forward to, this would just be a footnote in the overall playstation pipeline. But as seems to be the case with Sony these days, their silence is deafening
@thefourfoldroot1 Except being a ps5 version doesn't matter in the slightest when the original still looks really good and is available to play on ps5. And you're crazy if you think sony is going to give this away for free. So what are you losing? 50 bucks when you could have just spent 20. What else are we losing? Valuable recourses that can go to literally anything esle worth while.
@RedRiot193
Really am not understanding you. The ps4 version is still available. This version doesn’t remove your ability to get and play it (Or play the one you have already). In fact, it’ll likely mean the market is flooded with more second hand cheaper versions.
This is merely a better version for those who haven’t played it yet and want to play it at its best.
And of course Sony aren’t giving it away for free, why would they? If you don’t own the game and want to play it then you pay for the price of the game, or get the cheaper inferior version; If you own that inferior PS4 version already then you’ll likely decide it isn’t worth the price to get the better version. What’s difficult to understand about that?
@aj21009 I’ve been hoping for a Resistance series remake for ages!! I really wish they would give that series some love and bring it back, MP and all!
Yes, Nintendo are notorious for re-releases. In some defence, Wii U didn't sell well so it's games didn't reach many people.
But it feels like you're saying Sony has only recently started re-releasing this generation.
@thefourfoldroot1 "Really am not understanding you. The ps4 version is still available. This version doesn’t remove your ability to get and play it (Or play the one you have already). In fact, it’ll likely mean the market is flooded with more second hand cheaper versions."
Literally that is what makes this pointless. It's really not that hard to understand. And no this is merely a more EXPENSIVE version of a game that already exists and is only 5 years old. If you wanted to play this game you'd have played this already. I never understood why someone would wait for a "next gen" version that is 3 times more expensive than the one currently available is still very much playable. We're not talking re2 og to remake or the mass effect le. This game is STILL available for any newcomers. This argument is so stale and old it's not even that simple. New versions of games that came out prior are known to do poorly compared to their original release. Any new player with logic would just play the ps4 version with the ps5 update.
"And of course Sony aren’t giving it away for free, why would they?" It shouldn't be free because it shouldn't even exist to begin with.
" If you own that inferior PS4 version already then you’ll likely decide it isn’t worth the price to get the better version. What’s difficult to understand about that?" Inferior? Yeah that some strong words for someone who hasn't seen what the ps5 version even bring to the table. It's all of a sudden inferior even though it'll be the one always ahead in sales.
What's so difficult for YOU to understand that instead of working on an unnecessary remake, we can be getting a new IP or a remaster/remake that deserves it much more?
I'm sure everyone that bought the last of us remake are thrilled as for me I'll just stick with the original game that I already own that looks & runs great like I did with tlou remastered lol
At least if they are going to choose from their catalogue, they should remaster remake the killzone series including the vita game (I know it was a subsidiary that did that game but assets are definitely from 2 and 3). They could remake number 1 completely so it falls in line with number 2 and number 3 was a direct sequel of 2, so that would way more interesting.
Long live the Helghast
@RedRiot193
1) it’s a better version. What ps5 remake has not been better? Why would you presume it is either identical or inferior? That makes no sense.
2) This is not for people why have bought the old one. This is for people new to PlayStation or new to the franchise (there will be a good few given the new TV show)
3) They are merely using the new engine tools and tech they used for the sequel. The story etc is done. In what imaginary world is this taking a big effort away from new games?
Horizon Forbidden West is already playable on the PS5. If remakes and remasters are the road Sony is headed, we need ones that are earlier than PS4, because we can play pretty much all PS4’s games through an external hard drive on the PS5 (if you bought ‘em through PSN and not on disc, that is).
Examples include:
—Warhawk
—Killzone I, II, and III
—Resistance series
—SOCOM series
—Tokyo Jungle
—Primal
—Bloody Roar
—Mad Maestro
—Mister Mosquito
—Buzz! Quiz games
—Dog’s Life
—Everquest
—EyeToy games
—The Getaway
—Jackie Chan Adventures
—My Street
—Mark of Kri and Rise of the Kasai
—Motorstorm
—Fat Princess
—Modnation Racers
—Savage Moon
—Lair
—Heavenly Sword
—Lemmings
—White Knight Chronicles
—Jet Moto
—Dead Nation
—PlayStation All Stars
@RedRiot193
“instead of working on an unnecessary remake, we can be getting a new IP or a remaster/remake that deserves it much more”
EXACTLY. 100% in agreement on this point.
@thefourfoldroot1
1. Being a Ps5 version means nothing. And incrimintal upgrades are not enough to justify it nor does that make it "better". You haven't seen anything nor have I. That wasn't my initial point to begin with. Regardless if it's somehow graphically superior. It's still unnecessary.
2. This argument is irrelavent when the ps4 version is still available on the same system.
3. Are you seriously asking such a dumb question? Bloodborne, Jack games, sly cooper games, old god of war games, legend of dragoon, wild arms, old killzone games, soul sacrifice, freedom wars, dark cloud etc. Games that these recourses can be poured into to get a remake/remaster. And I'll pull your card. Most of the games I've mentioned are actual games that loads of players have never played and a good chunk of them are not available on ps4 nor ps5. In what imaginary world do you live in that sony is somehow is doing this for new players and not just another lazy attempt for more money? You're naiive.
Has this what it's come to? Journos telling devs what to work on?
Horizon Zero Dawn desperately needs a remake I mean the graphics are terrible nowdays right.. just kidding of course. Whats next remake of God Of War 2018 and Ghost Of Tsushima
@JonnyMack nope..journos fanning the flames of discontent and causing arguments..thats what its come down to again. Pushsquare stirring the pot again..
@Tsushima they already remastered Ghost of Tsushima for PS5 and everybody loved it.
The (very dodgy) document is out. Its a remaster, not a remake. So, there's that.
Also, I still don't know why people get upset at this, if you don't like it, don't buy it. You can get the PS4 version for 10 euros.
And if you think that a studio like Guerrila that has....what? 300+ people working there, has everyone working on the remaster, then you really need to learn more about how games are made.
If people keep giving them money for skankin', a-skankin' they will bank.
@RedRiot193
1) Being a PS5 version is, of course, going to allow them to make it better. The fact that, to someone who has already played it, it might be only “incremental”, is clearly irrelevant to those who haven’t played it.
2) see above answer as to why it isn’t irrelevant to people who have not played the game before.
3) Are you seriously suggesting that this dev could remake those games, of which they have zero knowledge, with the same small amount of effort used to make this upgrade with the new engine enhancements made for the sequel? It will take them much more time to remake those games, which I thought is what you were complaining about - that they should be making new IP instead of remaking games.
You seem to be making a strange argument. Which is that this game is so recent that no significant changes can be made on the new hardware. Yet, even if we take that unproven idea to be true, you completely fail to realise that, for new people coming to the game, any improvement is beneficial. And if they think it is not they can still buy the older version (less good to an as yet unknown degree as it may be).
Also, you seem to think that upgrading the game with what they learnt from the sequel will take a huge amount of effort. Yet this was likely worked on alongside the sequel. Or at least just after with the same team.
To me, doing this just makes sense. If we are serious about game preservation, then updating games periodically as tech improves is the right thing to do. It takes far far less time and effort than doing a complete remake with a likely very different team of people 10 years down the line.
i guess they realized themselves just how unattractive they made her in the sequel so to even things out they're gonna remaster a disaster to even it out .
@thefourfoldroot1 HZD is only 5 years old and came out during the ps4 pro , and can be played via backwards compatibility so there is no preservation needed . this is a waste , but of course, someone has to be THAT guy right...
@thefourfoldroot1 "Being a PS5 version is, of course, going to allow them to make it better." Subjective. "The fact that, to someone who has already played it, it might be only “incremental”, is clearly irrelevant to those who haven’t played it." Except for the fact they can just play the ps4 version.
"see above answer as to why it isn’t irrelevant to people who have not played the game before." Re-read why I stated it is.
"Are you seriously suggesting that this dev could remake those games, of which they have zero knowledge," Another dumb question. Bluepoint says hello. A developer who has taken demon souls from ancient hardware at this point and made it into a modern game while still keeping the original engine intact. Regardless of that. No I'm not expecting these devs to do any of that. But if we want to go that route. Killzone is a guerilla games game. Which would have been the better option. Or sony could have simply you know? Asked anybody else to do those games.
"You seem to be making a strange argument." It's not strange it's logically sound actually. You seem to be one of the only people struggling to understand. Keep pushing the new people argument. It hasn't worked for you so far yet you keep pushing that stale point.
Don't talk about game preservation while praising them "preserving" A game that's perfectly playable already. You have no idea what you're talking about in this regard. I mentioned games that are locked behind hardware that is trapped on old hardware sony has given up on. Those deserve it much more.
"It takes far far less time and effort than doing a complete remake with a likely very different team of people 10 years down the line." Now this is a strange argument. Lets praise less effort and remake every game from the past 5 years or hell 3 years and charge loads! Lets remake ragnorak in 3 years too why won't we!?! You are eating right out sonys hands. What's funny is your argument is for other people. While constnetly defending sony. I shouldn't be surprised considering the website we're on. But this is on another level.
@pip_muzz or how about just giving him the boot instead. hes a terrible CEO and always has been . hes been ruining playstation the moment sony decided to move their jewel to one of the most annoying states in the country and putting this clown in charge.
@IonMagi b-but , what about my story-driven interactive movies!!!
When even your own fanbase is not getting it, maybe you should reconsider. Bloodborne is called for nonstop and nothing.
I would care if not for the fact that I am swimming in games regardless of what Sony Studios do.
When they toss 1 in the pile like GOW and Forbidden West - great, more cake.
Looks like with the leaked document, this is a PS5 remaster of the game, not a Remake. So it’s probably going to be just like how Ghost of Tsushima received a director’s cut version of the game.
There is a perfectly fine version on PS5 that was given a free update to 60fps, and people can just play that one if they don’t want this remaster.
I think Sony should get some goodwill out of this and charge no more than $20 to upgrade to owners of Zero Dawn already, but we have no idea what this new version is going to add exactly, so it’s all just rumor for now.
A new Horizon online experience does sound interesting though, so I’ll wait to hear more about this.
@RedRiot193
Mate, you are clearly unwilling to see things from anyone else’s point of view. This game is not meant for us. I am able to accept that without getting bent out of shape about them “taking time away” from making games I might want more. Why aren’t you?
Is it so hard to understand that someone who has bought an expensive next gen machine might want a version of the game that takes advantage of it?
Honestly, I’ve tried to be polite, but you are coming across as entitled and whiny to be honest.
But as you’ve now started talking about the people on “the website we are on” as if it’s a fanboy haven I think I’ll stop engaging with you now.
For what it’s worth though, I’m the furthest thing from a Sony fanboy, I consider them puritanical, quasi-racist California d*cks who have destroyed everything I loved about early PlayStation gaming and are looking to take us into a live service wasteland. I wouldn’t even have a PS5 if it wasn’t for PSVR2. That’s their one saving grace as far as I’m concerned, and the only thing I respect about them. I don’t even like most of their westernised cinematic output to be honest.
This doesn’t mean I can’t see this update might be nice for other PS5 owners. Maybe you should look beyond your own situation too.
@nomither6
So people with a PS5 shouldn’t get a better version because it’s not a big improvement, in your opinion, for people who have already played it? Bit self centred don’t you think? It’s not meant for you. I understand you’ve already played it but not everyone has.
@thefourfoldroot1 "Mate, you are clearly unwilling to see things from anyone else’s point of view." And mate you're lacking the understanding of the situation. Why does it matter if it's "not for us"? The people that this is even for have a better option right now that is more affordable with dlc included. "I am able to accept that without getting bent out of shape about them “taking time away” from making games I might want more. " That is expected from what I've gathered. I'm more passionate about these games than you are and so are many other people. We've been waiting a lot longer than you for those other games to get similar treatment yet we're met with this. Talk about not seeing other people points of view huh? Heed your own advice. "Is it so hard to understand that someone who has bought an expensive next gen machine might want a version of the game that takes advantage of it?" That's great but they want that with NEW games. Not some 5 year old game that has already been improved on their machine.
That's fine you've come accross as ignorant and naiive. Being "entitled" is what corparate fanboys like to call people who call out bs. And I'll remain "whiny" because I don't just consume products. I ask questions.
"This doesn’t mean I can’t see this update might be nice for other PS5 owners. Maybe you should look beyond your own situation too." My own as if I'm the only one that has an issue with this but okay. I've already made it clear that you're a hypocrite.
Can’t believe the people defending this. I tried but I really couldn’t…
Quote: "Talking Point: We Need to Discuss This Horizon Zero Dawn PS5 Remaster"
No, we don't.
Again, most people on this site aren’t the audience for the remaster so it isn’t surprising most aren’t interested. It’s for their future players, their own satisfaction, etc.
Having finished Forbidden West a little over a month ago, I can't bring myself to understand why this remaster would be taking priority over what I'm predicting to be the third and final Horizon game. They obviously have that in the cards, the only reason they would hold that back is to wait for next-gen hardware, I guess...?
The PC version becomes a PS5 port?
to be fair the PC version is impressive.
I'm more interested in if there's going to be a Horizon Forbidden West Remaster.
@koffing There is no audience for a Zero Dawn remaster. None. Just plug it into you console of choice and play it. The end.
@GreatAuk lol I know you FEEL that way but their sales dept thinks otherwise.
I don't want to discuss this ...I've at least learned that much at this point when it comes to modern PlayStation. I like Nintendo, so I know just how bad it could get, be it overly zealous fans or tone deaf, creatively bankrupt corporate greed ...so I choose to avoid any further hot takes for my own mental health. All I want to say about it is ...I hate it. Cut it out, please.
I also hate blasting others ...I want to discuss the actual joy of playing games, which is probably why I'm increasingly gravitating towards purely retro stuff, as all these modern controversies are really starting to wear me out.
That is all. Thank you.
You get a remaster! You get a remaster! Remasters for everyone!
What an aggressively pointless idea. Can’t they put resources into new IPs or y’know remaking older games. Like Silent Hill for instance?
@LazyLombax haha yes, exactly.
@Vil don’t let it get to you dude! Stay strong.
@thefourfoldroot1 i dont know why you bother bud. Ionmagi and this guy are only here to wind people up. They will never see your point even if they dont agree with it and insist you are always wrong,misinformed,ignorant etc..there is no middle ground and no room for compromise..there is nothing wrong with being a fanboy either and the problems arise when you encounter the zealots..those guys and these two are the problems and not the majority of the well balanced and logical thinkers on here..balls to them 👍
I wonder if it will be multiplayer focused game, with ZD kinda bundle in?
@IonMagi You are really a hater thats for sure never understood why people like come to Playstation sites.
@nomither6 Are they not making insane amounts of money? I dont know if Sony is struggling you know more then me i guess. I dont really understand the big issue with it we dont know what it is or if its completely true. And why even make such a fuss about it you dont want dont buy it you can get the PS4 version with the expansion for €15.
@Flaming_Kaiser Because I want to critique current Sony, easy as that Didnt know only Fanboys are allowed on this site lul
@Oz_Momotaro
Well, all I can say is I had a very different experience to you. PSVR has provided some of the best gaming experiences of my life - and in decent volume. The likes of Astro Bot, Resi7, Blood and Truth, Wipeout, Moss, Superhot, Farpoint, Rush of Blood, Statik, Paper Beast, Ironman…just from the top of my head, sure I’m missing many.
If you thought the cost was too much for what you got then fair enough. I got my money’s worth and then some.
The fact that Sony have gone hard on the specs shows me they are serious. What indicates to you that they are not?
My honest opinion here is Ryan needs to go if he's gonna keep making stupid decisions like this..does a game like HZD need a remaster? Heck nah! Game looks great even now. But are we the problem if we're buying these remaster from last gen? Why couldn't remaster/remake a PS1 classic like maybe legend of dragoon or summin.
@Oz_Momotaro
“ as a PS5 owner, you know what... I've never ONCE thought "wow, I really wish I could replay HZD,”
See. “Replay”, you are looking at this arse-about-tit, I completely agree that current owners are unlikely to buy it. Why deny the rest the opportunity to have the best version? However many or few that might be
@Oz_Momotaro
As I said, there were plenty of meaty experiences for me, and I think objectively speaking, but the big benefit of the new headset is not so much the clarity or power through foveated rendering, it’s using the standardised controllers so that years of PCVR experiences can be ported and available on PSVR.
Maybe I’m a different user case as I have maybe 1-2 hours a day on average to play and money is not a big issue (standard time poor mid life situation). As a teen with 10hrs a day to play but little money for expensive hardware, my perspective would have been different.
And the blogpost…just standard terrible Sony marketing. If you were to go by this then you’d come away thinking Sony aren’t serious about anything.
@thefourfoldroot1 wow you really shook the tree today mate 🤣👍
@Oz_Momotaro
Ok, glad we’re getting somewhere about people’s true feelings, because I just couldn’t believe people were being so whiny about PS5 owners being given a better version of a game.
What you say is completely valid. As I said above, for me, VR is Sony’s saving grace. I long became bored with the third person cinematic experiences too, and hate live service games, so don’t have much to look forward to from them other than VR. Plus they censor or ban a lot of games I would otherwise have bought (thank god for Switch).
But I am also bored with the same old Ninty franchises, and MS haven’t had anything I’ve wanted to play since Lost Odyssey got me to buy a 360.
VR gives me that sense of wonder again, that feeling I’m playing something I haven’t played a thousand times before in my nearly 40 years of gaming, and that’s worth the price of two “next gen” high resolution boxes to me. For me PSVR2 is the next generation. At least until U5 comes out nothing next gen does outside of VR means much to me.
@Northern_munkey
Seems so, lol.
Hmm, even if it was a relatively cheap upgrade (like £5-10) I don't think I'd bother. I all-but-100%ed the original and the Frozen Wilds DLC, so I don't see any logical reason I'd ever revisit it. I've yet to play Forbidden West, and there have got to be tens, if not hundreds of games that I've yet to experience, and only a finite time to play them.
God of War Ragnerock - Nov Release
God of War Ragnerock - Paid DLC Expansion Jan 2023
God of War Ragnerock - Remaster March 2023
God of War Ragnerock - Paid DLC Expansion Remaster May 2023
in game NFT's being considered for June 2023
Elden Ring overshadowed Forbidden West and now they’re trying to make for it lol who knows
@Oz_Momotaro
I understand the sentiment. To be fair though, I feel Sony have been pretty successful with home console systems, which has the closest correlation to VR. I know they are going against what we might want with the whole live service thing, but it’s probably a good business decision. I’m willing to trust them on VR. It’s what differentiates them. They’ll find it hard to compete with Ninty in the handheld space, and can’t outspend MS in delivering the cheapest subscription service, so they are really behind this. The high specs reassure me of that.
I understand it’s hard to get excited about it if you are particularly prone to motion sickness though. That sucks. Astro Bot Rescue Mission is the best game I’ve played, perhaps ever, and the most wonder since Mario 64
If this is like the typical free ps4 to ps5 patch then I see no problem. But if you want money for a remake it better be the Killzone series.
But I guess that would take real effort.
The original still looks and plays amazing. We don't need it at all.
Are we just going to see this on every major release and every new console iteration? Will we get a HZD, TLAO, SpiderMan, GoW and HFW remaster for the PS5 pro?
Look if this is a significant change then maybe, but if it is anything more than 20 bucks, forget it.
I'm totally fine with them spending a bit of time remastering Horizon Zero Dawn and making it look a little more PS5-y but if this is a standalone £70 release with no upgrade path for PS4 owners then this is insanity. It should just be something in line with the Director's Cut versions of games they've done previously, which I'm happy for them to do for any of their PS4 games like, you know, BLOODBORNE or something. Mainly Bloodbore. Just do Bloodborne.
@Milt Remakes and remasters are a cheap buck, a lot cheaper and less riskier than developing and marketing a new AAA title.
I suspect we'll be seeing more of this laziness from Western Developers and more new titles coming from places where labour is cheaper and working conditions less sympathetic to human needs.
This is the fault of the ones who bought last of us part 1 again. Now expect more.
It's a crazy online gaming world we live in these days. First off, I don't really see the point in this release... and I don't see myself buying this version, at least not at launch and depending if there is extra content. The outcry is hilarious and weird at the same time. Yes Sony remasters a game that got released in 2017. And while I do agree there are better games to be remade ( that actually cold use one) there seems to be a double standard. It seems everything Sony brings isn't good at all. At the same time this outcry is going on. Thousands of gamers online are screaming they want the Witcher 3 remaster, a Bloodborne remaster and a twilight princess remaster on switch ( that game got released on every console since the GameCube).
Ya know Sony could do this instead of wasting time on this project.
When the show comes out, release a Horizon Double Pack. Both games in one case on two discs. And offer a digital version of the same bundle.
Price the package for 70 bucks. Since FW will be due for a price drop by the time the show comes out.
The first game still holds up. Especially on PS5 where it’s locked to 60fps and runs at checkerboard 4K.
That sounds like a much better deal to me personally.
"No, this is a waste of resources"
Or, in my case, just no. I couldn't give a ***** about their resources.
@IonMagi Yeah i wasnt expecting that response but i guess you have nothing better to do then troll on PS site.
Hollywood has been criticised for lacking ideas since there are so many sequels, movies based on true events etc. Sony's slowly becoming that with all these remasters and remakes.
It's definitely a waste of resources imo...but if it's reasonably priced I may double dip.
I feel like if they were going to do a next gen upgrade free of carge like other games that would be cool
In the leaked spreadsheet Sony referred to this as a Remaster for PS5
They did not refer to it as a Remake
These are two very different things. Horizon Forbidden Dawn Remaster for PS5 is likely putting the PS4 version in the PS5 engine for minor graphical tweaks, and offering up the same Quality vs Performance settings as sequel.
No more, no less.
Waste of resources? When games are developed, teams are not doing everything all at once, so while next game is being designed — in pre-alpha — this gives Guerilla's developers a small project to do. Plus gives junior staff a project to learn the new PS5 engine.
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