Topic: Call of Duty: Black Ops 3 - OT

That's again for the tips. It dose take skills which I admit I don't have. I guses my big thing is I need to slow down. My biggest thing I need to get over is hip firing as my son calls it. I try to use the sights but I guess I am just to slow to use them cause everytime I try to use them before I can even line a shot up I am dead lol.

I should be back on in about an hour - just grabbing some food now though...

@iDangerMouse_: Yeah - great fun! I think some of that though was down to the fact it can be quite tiring with the intensity of the higher rounds and as time went on that affected concentration, making 'silly' mistakes and lacking the same levels of awareness. With 2, as soon as one makes an error, its very difficult to recover from that - even if that 1 is revived. With 3 or more, they can at least help clear the enemies, cover players whilst they try to get perks back etc.
Still great fun though! Regardless of how good/bad the MP and/or campaign are, I would buy a Treyarch CoD game because of Zombies! The first DLC Zombies looks great too!

@iDangerMouse_: For everyone that complains about 'Season Passes', CoD and in particular this years, seems very good value. The cost of each individual pack looks like it will cost more than £11 so 4 (all packs individually) will cost £44-46 yet the cost of the Season Pass is only £35 - I know I will get my moneys worth...

So I decided to try some of the other multiplayer game types and I am finding that I am enjoying the objective based ones, particularly domination alot more then FFA or TDM. Maybe because even though I usually have the worst KDR on the team, I can find other ways to help the team out. Like in domination I find that while everyone else is busy trying to grab one point I can with a stealth build, usually sneak around and grab one of the other points. Also I found out that you can shoot down scorestreak planes (didn't know you could) so armed with a launcher I was shooting down a ton of them which really helped at least that's what one teammember said to me. So I think I might just stick with those.

@iDangerMouse_: Yeah I noticed that too. Like for my score streak I had a Cerberus and I placed it right on spot c. My son who is far better at CoD games then me just looked surprised that he didn't think of that. After that he started placing his turrets and H.I.V.E. mines on the areas lol.

@Tasuki: I really only play 'objective' based modes and I include Kill Confirmed in that as TDM is often just a camp fest. Kill Confirmed at least has players running around collecting tags but Domination is probably my favourite. All scorestreaks can be shot down - the Black Cell is almost essential. You can also shoot scorestreaks with your specialist too. Objective modes are easier to get your specialist abilities in as well as scorestreaks. Domination is a good mode as it has a more fixed spawn system but if your team is poor, you can end up spawn trapped - however you can end up spawn trapping them! HIVE is good for Domination too. Objective modes are usually best for ranking up too.

@BAMozzy: I don't know I just find objective based shooters more enjoyable (Which is one reason I am hyped about Overwatch) then FFA and TDM. I guess cause it takes a different kind of skill then FFA or TDM. I also feel that even though as I said earlier my KDR is usually garbage. With objective modes I feel more useful.

Just out of curiosity who's everyone favorite specialist? I am partial to Firebreak. I just like his look and his heatwave has saved my butt so many times.

@Tasuki: I don't have a favourite specialist. I find most have their uses and also their drawbacks to. Its very much situational and even down to specific game modes too. For example, I think HIVE is my favourite in Domination. Firebreak can work well if you have a lot of enemies in range of either of his abilities but not very effective outside of that. Overdrive can be very good in objective modes particularly CTF and Uplink, Ruin can work well in Hardpoint, Dom and Safeguard. Scythe can work well if you are a 'slayer' or lots of scorestreaks around, Psychosis can work well in SnD as well as modes where you are not exactly sure where an enemy maybe - Vision Pulse too. Ripper is good on smaller maps (like Combine) or when playing a CQC build etc etc
As you can see, from my perspective, I use a variety according to game mode, role - even Map and whilst one may be a favourite in one scenario, I don't like it in another.

Played a bit more domination multiplayer last night, and I am really enjoying it. I actually managed to get more then 5 kills in one session!!! Lol. I don't know if it's me bt I prefer the smaller maps for Domination like Combine or infection, the only problem I have with Infection are the dang sniper points that people like to use. Currently I am level 10.

So I want to ask this question to see if this happens to anyone else. So when I play multiplayer on Black Ops III my KDR is garbage but when I go over to my friends house and play the first Black Ops my KDR is ok were talking 15 kills for 5 deaths. Now I don't know if Black Ops is easier then 3 or if my son is right and it's cause when I play Black Ops I just relax and have a good time, I don't worry about my KDR. I will admit when playing III I tend to get upset when we are getting owned and such. Also I have put more time and play III alot more often then the first one.

So does this sounds like a sound theory to you guys? What are your thoughts?

@Tasuki: The main reason your KDR is likely to be lower on BO3 is because of the lobby and people playing. I doubt the 'best' CoD players are playing Black Ops at the moment and so you get a more 'casual' lobby. I bet that if you start getting killed a few times, you also let emotion take over and that could affect your performance too.
BO3 is a 'faster' game than BO too - not just in movement but also in the average kill times. I believe Black Ops also has toughness (stops your gun kicking up when under fire) which maybe helping you get more kills in gunfights. The fact you have played 3 more may also help when you go back to the first because its slower.

@BAMozzy: Ok that makes sense. I will admit I do attend to let my emotions take over at times especially if it's a B.S. move that got me killed or something stupid on my part, but the difference of mechanics does make sense. I don't really know they differences between the games as I only played one a couple of times on the Wii before a few weeks ago and only played 2 one time at a friend's house so yeah faster gameplay, perks differences heck even gun differences I wouldn't know.

You do bring up a good point on casual players vs the best players as you put it. I kinda wish they would split the lobbies more into casual and non casual lobbies but I understand how hard that would be. It's just at times I get aggravated cause I totally get pawned by a non causal groups or players cause it seems like it's totally unfair. It would be like putting me and my buddies against a pro football team. Yeah people can say well it just means you gotta get better but with a family and work it's hard for me to dedicate time to a game like some of these 12 year olds that have no life do. Again how can I compete with someone who has sunk 1000's of hours into a game when I can only dedicate 100's. CoD games are just not casually friendly I guess.

@Tasuki: Its not that are not casually friendly but you can't separate players up either. I started on CoD4 and I was one of those players that would be 5 for 25 and all that did was make me want to get better. I took time to learn about the weapons, exactly what the perks did, studied my kill cams to see where I was killed from, etc etc and sunk over 1,000 hours into that game. 9-10 games later with 1,000hrs put into every game, playing in clans and with friends - discussing strategies, tips and of course the communication really helps in game means that when a new CoD game comes out, I have probably approaching 10k experience on CoD online MP - as well as all the other online FPS MP games I played to draw upon. My KDR is currently around 1.6 4th Prestige and level 40ish - mostly playing solo although when I playy in teams that often goes up because of the communication
Back in CoD4, there was no combat training modes - it just chucked you in at the deep end so at least modern CoD's are more casually friendly and give you a place to practice and build up your skill level. You can't beat the easy difficulty and expect to dominate in online. Many of the CoD players have been playing since CoD4-MW2 but everyone had to start somewhere and everyone probably got annihilated too.
Its more like you have 1-2 pro-footballers on each team, the rest are made up of average players with 1-2 who have never kicked a ball in their life before. I hate to say it but it seems you are like that person at the moment. The only wayto get better is to keep playing, keep practicing, learn more about the game and the way it works, learn about the weapons and perks etc.
I bet you used Ghost in Black Ops which kept you off the Radar completely - in BO3, it only keeps you off the radar if you are moving quickly. Using a headset is vital too as I bet everyone you play against uses one and hears you coming - Dead Silence isn't unlocked until level 50 - this was my first permanent unlock with prestiging because its vital! Silencers in BO3 really nerf your range that the weapon does its maximum damage too.
You said you like to run around but without dead silence, a decent headset and maybe even ghost too,then you are what I call easy pickings. I would hear you coming long before you even come into view and already aimed down sight ready and waiting for you to come round the corner to your death. Crouching cuts down a lot of the noise and ADS with Stock around a corner gives you much more chance of surprising any enemy.
I don't like camping or campers but I see nothing wrong with playing cautiously - keeping your distance and using AR's or even LMG's (The Dingo is very much like an AR/LMG Hybrid). Not running around but locking down an area - not rushing to the enemy but picking off the enemies that are rushing you. Paying attention to the Mini-map and knowing where the enemy are. s you get more confident, unlock more perks etc, then you can build you class to rush and surprise the enemies but I doubt you have these unlocked after a few hours. I certainly wouldn't recommend a shotgun or SMG to start but an AR as they are more versatile and likely to beat SMG/Shotguns at range so if you keep your distance, you can beat these players. If you use a CQC weapon then AR's etc will beat you unless you can get close to them without them seeing or hearing you.
In all honesty, it doesn't take long to start seeing some improvement if you watch you killcams and see what tactics the other players use, what weapons they use etc and try and employ similar. It also helps to know what the weapons strengths and weaknesses are and what attachments work best too. Some don't need a grip for example or can be managed if you know the recoil, leaving you able to use an extra perk or something.
I never carry grenades or tacticals myself as this enables me to equip more perks. The less attachments too, the more perks.

@BAMozzy: No worries calling me a noob or someone who has never kicked a football cause it is true and we all start somewhere. As I have said countless times the last FPS I really got into was GoldenEye on the N64 and comparing that to CoD is like saying, the last car I drove was a Model T and I am in a Indy 500. I also apologize if I sound negative too not trying to come off that way and I do appreciate your advice.

Yeah I tend to run around I will be honest but what you said explains why I am getting picked off so easily. I am currently using the Kuda but I have found that SMGS tend to be my best weapon in FPS games, but with your advice perhaps I should look into something else. I also like the feel of the HVK (or as I call it havok) but that's only level 2 I believe.

Also I am not sure but is domination a good game for someone like me to be playing? Several coworkers say I should be playing TDM or KC but I feel with my terrible KDR I will be letting my teammates down (plus I don't relish the thought of getting angry messages). I tend to enjoy stuff like domination cause even if my KDR is bad, I can contribute other ways such as taking down UAVS or even capturing points or even just protecting them.

Thanks again for all the advice just FYI I am level 19 but probably by the time you read this I will be level 20.

I will say that since playing Black Ops III, I have found an appreciation for the skill it takes to play these games. I never knew and quite honestly if you would have asked me a year ago I would say that these games take no skill. Boy was I wrong lol.

CoD weapons are generally quite balanced across the board. There is no such thing as a poor AR for example - some are better than others in specific situations or areas. All the starting weapons are your typical general purpose versions. The level at which you unlock other weapons is not an indication of a better weapon at all. The HVK is not better than the KN44 or worse than the ICR for example and therefore you can look at each weapon as having certain strengths and weaknesses. Find the one that suits you best according to your playstyle, map size etc. The ICR for example is popular because it is accurate - very little recoil - but is quite low damage. What this means is that you don't have to use a grip and its still very manageable. In core modes, enemy health is 100 (its 30 in Hardcore) so knowing the damage profile and effective range is useful. For example if a weapon does 33 damage, its going to kill in 4 shots, but so would a weapon doing 25 (not counting any headshots which usually do 1.1x damage or higher if using high calibre). The HVK is a good AR - its probably the closest to an SMG in feel. Like I said watch Drift0r's in depth videos as he breaks down the weapons stats. The Kuda is a good all round SMG but others are better in CQC because of their fire rate but can't compete with it at slightly longer ranges because of damage drop off so its a more competitive all rounder in the class.
Game modes are subjective. TDM is generally the most popular but can be more 'campy' as people are more interested in KDR and getting scorestreaks. Kill Confirmed is a less so because it draws people out to collect tags but people use these to 'bait' others and the spawns flip a lot more meaning you need good map/enemy awareness. Domination is my favourite mode but I do prefer to play it in a team. With Randoms you always get 1-2 who push into the enemy spawn to capture their flag causing the spawns to flip. A good team will hold 2 flags (like A and B) and try to keep the enemy at C - often called Spawn Trapping because the enemy always spawn at C and struggle to get out of their spawn. If you push to far, then the Spawns 'flip' and they spawn at A. There are definitely roles to play in Dom. In TDM you can still help your team out by taking down UAV's and scorestreaks but KDR is the main emphasis. Kill confirmed is like TDM but you can actually get more points than someone who goes 30 and 5 by collecting tags - you could be 5 for 30 but collect 25 tags and finish near the top of the leaderboard. At the end of the day though, the choice is yours. If you prefer Dom, play Dom. If you enjoy it more and feel more useful, then it will only help you in the long-term. Getting disheartened and feeling useless isn't going to give you much encouragement to keep coming back although you can use that to learn and cling to the small victories like earning a UAV, getting a few multi-kills etc but like I said the only real way to improve is to keep playing and watch others, see where they go, where you got killed from and use that yourself - always watch your kill-cam - at least until you are confident in the game.
I found that by playing with others too helped - mostly because of the communication. They gave me heads up on enemy position (a lot easier in Dom as the flags are good points of reference) and therefore I could be prepared or flank them. A team of Randoms of good ability are usually beaten by a team of friends of average ability. If you watch eSport matches, they don't stop communicating - I know that sometimes they don't but often that's because they know exactly where there team mates are, where the enemy are etc because they play so much.
Combat training is good to practice on but only if you set the enemy AI on a high setting. Putting it on easy is only good if you want to explore the map, practice movement etc. Also don't be afraid to quit lobbies and find a new one, play against different people so you get to see different tactics etc and you never know, you could end up in a lobby with a lot of noobs.

Wow I never thought of that strategy in domination, usually I play multiplayer with my son (we are in the same room) and I will admit after we take A my son and I try to sneak around and take C since everyone else is fighting/taking B so yeah we didn't think of that strategy. .

I did run a few domination runs with bots on the regular difficulty last night so I could try out a few guns, and come to like the Dingo. I just need to slow down and be patient at my level though. I found when I start getting impatient and start rushing into the map that when I get killed, and of course get better at firing and jumping and wall running.

To win Domination you only need 2 points. If you push too far into their zone, they start spawning in your zone and therefore end up behind your team and capturing your original flag. A good tactic is to have 4-5 players run straight to B and capture that whilst the enemy capture their flag. The 1-2 left are there to capture the home flag - It takes a bit longer to capture but its safe as the enemy are at there flag. If you hold A and B, the enemy always spawn at C. On small maps like Combine, its easy to keep them at C as long as you don't have someone go to far into C, meaning they can't get to B or A. If you sit back a bit too, yo can pick them off and no doubt you won't end up with such a deficit in you KDR - not that it matters in Dom anyway. Playing this way is a lot easier as the enemy are far more predictable in where they are and very unlikely that you will get shot in the back.

The Dingo is a good weapon. Its very much an AR/LMG hybrid. I know CoD is a fast paced game, but its also like 'war' to a degree - if you run around in the open, then you are likely to be shot - particularly if the enemy can hear you before they actually see you. I use running to get to objectives or good positions but if I am unsure where the enemy are or know they are close, I try and move slowly with my gun ready to shoot. I try and position myself in positions that favour me and my weapon of choice at that time so with a Dingo or AR, at mid-range.
If you want to practice Wall running and the movement, there is a time trial mode which is quite good fun.

Wow a real bad night tonight the groups I got into just didn't seem to know what to do. In domination we were totally dominated so I decided to switch to kill confirm which wouldn't have been to bad except for some reason I kept getting hit with bad lag. Then I decide to try FFA and man one game I didn't get one kill. Lol Just an off night I guess. One thing I totally need to work on is my reaction speed. I find alot of deaths I get I am just too slow at getting my ADS up, aiming and pulling the trigger. Just need to figure out how.

@BAMozzy: So tonight I went over to my friends house again and played Black Ops and you were right it's alot slower pace then Black Ops III plus you don't have the wall/jump physics to boot, there are alot more angles to get killed at in Black Ops III. Guess I will just have to get better, now if I can just increase my reaction time.