@WebHead Yeah it wouldn't surprise me if Sony concentrate on their final PS4 games before turning the spotlight on the PS5. It would be nice if that's not the case but I've accepted it may be the outcome.
I don't think Sony will have a lesser system. It will create a problem for one more powerful, the better the lowest base system, the better the next-gen is. Games won't be able to be fully developed for the better power, and the last thing we need at the start of a long gen is a toned down system. It'll have worse age issues at the of the gen than a console normally would. The stronger the next gen starts the better. Sony has had a history of squeezing their consoles for what they can do, and I doubt they want to restrict their studios. They may have thankfully dropped stuff the PS3's Cell, but I don't think they'll swing so far in the other direction.
I also think they don't want the confusing mess Xbox is creating for themselves again. They're repeating a bad history I don't think Sony will do.
@Jaz007
What if the difference is mainly about RDNA1 (no RT, no 3d sound) vs RDNA2 and memory etc?
It's all matter of perspective. If the 'lower' model is like 9TFlop then that's very powerful.
If it's like Lochart rumoured 4TFlop then yes it's a problem.
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@JJ2 At first it might not seem like a big issue at first, but think about 7 years later. Games will have to made to run on that older system. At that point we'll be feeling the ramifications stronger as games are bottle-necked by the weakest system. MS worries me a little with it too. I think that system might kinda get the shaft if they have a similar sales split though. The only extra model at launch I'd be okay with is a larger hard drive.
@Jaz007
Oh I mainly agree with you. I'm just trying to understand what's happening. Possibly the Lockart and whatever PS equivalent are just for competition leverage and may get cancelled.
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So with HZD pc news I feel what HH said about ps5 got buried.
'You know, these are the most exciting times when you develop on a console. We are super hard at work at the moment… and honestly, I can’t wait to talk to you in more detail about that.'
That means more interviews on ps blog about ps5 coming up I guess?
Hopefully that would be after a proper reveal soon.
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@WebHead Great news! Obviously China’s crackdown on Coronavirus was, uh, brutal to say the least but I guess it was effective. Fingers crossed we can all get passed a PS5 and self-isolate with some next gen games to keep us going!
The 'rumoured' Lockhart is most likely a next gen console for the HD owners - if it exists. Yes it could do '4k' like the X does '4k' BUT you also need to increase the GPU power to render 1080p Visuals at 'double' (or more) the frame rates because it has a lot more frames to render per second. The CPU of the X is still going to be a limiting factor for higher frame rates too so even if they opted to keep the X, there would likely be games that couldn't run and certainly wouldn't run games at a competitive frame rate. Its bad enough that lower res on an S does affect the ability to see objects clearly at distance so at a disadvantage - although better with 1:1 pixel mapping (ie 1080p on a HD TV) but also having 30fps whilst others have 60fps and more in MP would be a massive disadvantage.
Not everyone will want to spend $500+ on a new console that is targeting 4k and they have a HDTV. They may feel like the benefits it offers is NOT worth the investment - especially as MS don't intend to release any exclusive games in the first year or two. A $300 HD version with a Zen 2 CPU promising much better performance - and some visual enhancements (ray tracing) is a much more tempting proposition. How many people made the comment 'IF the Pro/X had offered higher frame rates (60fps) instead of higher resolutions, they would have bought'? A lot have said that Sony/MS should of focussed on frame rate performance over resolution and the Lockhart could offer that.
If Sony do release their PS5 console cheaper - around $400-450, their doesn't seem to be much room to offer a cheaper, lower spec model that will also slot in with the PS4 Pro in Price as Sony will continue to make the PS4 for a few years. If the rumours are true on spec, it won't be as 'powerful' as the Series X with a lower count of CU cores in the GPU and could make more sense for Sony to offer a PS5 Pro in a few years. The PS4 and Pro can still offer 1080p - although not the frame rate but the PS4 isn't struggling to run games like the S - which always comes out bottom of pile on both image and performance quality.
If the X is going to be 'locked' to the S and not receive any unique software, then devs could 'refuse' to release games on the current gen Xbox because its not worth the effort to get games running and looking reasonable - until compared to all the other versions. Every DF comparison slates the S - not just for its 'low res' blurry image but the fact that it's also the worst performing versions too - the PS4 may have more 'dips' than Pro or X in some games but generally the image is decent and the Pro could do a full 1080p and offer 'locked' (or close to locked) and more likely to be supported by Sony longer. Another reason that MS may well be more keen to release a cheaper, lower spec version of their next gen because Sony's PS4 could be strong enough for devs to release their games on.
We don't know whether MS are likely to offer Lockhart or whether its just something they were seriously considering. If their Series X does turn out to be a lot more expensive - more than $100 more than the PS5, offering a 'cheap' HD version (that maybe able to use modern reconstruction techniques to offer images that look like the game is running at a higher resolution for those that upgrade TV's later) may make sense for MS more than it makes sense for Sony. Just because one does something, doesn't mean the other has to copy - it has to make 'sense' in their business plan too...
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Lockhart rumour have been going on for a LONG time. Consoles competition is real. Dont believe those who say theres no competition I.e. no console war. It's a matter of life or death for the companies so to speak.
I think Sony wanted only one ps5 model at launch but the last couple years opted to get a low end model ready to go too if Ms is going ahead with theirs. (Maybe why some management reshuffle)
That makes perfect sense to me.
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Although if PS5 does release this year it'll likely be in limitednsupply for select countries. If you were planning to get one this year I strongly recommend saving up and pre order asap.
@WebHead I thought it would be the case, especially with the tech the ssd's are using. A normal drive would most likely not be able to handle any game designed with the new ssd in mind.
Also interesting to read that the Series X seems a bit slower in loading than PS5, from the figures we currently know.
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I hope it's more than a terabyte storage like the new Xbox. That's unacceptably low, and with only 1 TB expansion available. 2TB should be a minimum. It's already a struggle this gen using 2TB, let alone next gen. That's the worst part of the new Xbox specs, I'm gonna lose my mind if Sony does the same thing.
@Jaz007
Idk. It's probably going to be 1T too but I like that it seems very easy to swap.
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