Topic: The Movie Thread

@Ralizah I am not a fan of these Disney remakes at all. Not to say that the idea of a remake is always inherently bad but they are largely, let's do the same film again with shiny effects and sell the nostalgia factor when, in the case of the Lion King, the original is just very good. I have no problem with films being made to make money, but the best blockbusters achieve that while trying to bring something creatively to the table. These just purely exist to return a good profit on the investment.

@Frigate I read the graphic novel after the film, and I wish that it was closer to the source material. The film feels quite bland compared to it.

@Rudy_Manchego I don't mind when they bring something new to the table. Remakes like The Jungle Book and Cinderella changed things up a bit to fit the new format, and they felt like transformed experiences as a result. And I thought both were quite a bit more interesting than their cartoon counterparts. Mulan also looks like it's changing up a bit, so I'm curious to see how that turns out.

This, however, was just disappointing.

@ZeD perhaps it will, we can but wait and see

@Ralizah @Rudy_Manchego Yeah, Disney are really pumping out these live-action remakes. Every week a new one comes out and they all get mediocre reviews. I agree that Cinderella and Jungle Book were quite enjoyable, but after watching Beauty and the Beast (my favorite of the older animated movies, not to mention Emma Watson being a favorite actress) I was disappointed such that I’ve skipped all of these more recent ones. Looks like I’ll probably skip Lion King too.

@Ralizah I will be honest and say I haven't seen Jungle Book but seen most of the others. I am not sure that many of them have really added much to the stories - at least I don't seem them to be reimaginings of the concept or anything, just corrections to the execution.

As @Th3solution said, I am not sure that any of them are 'bad' per se. Just, in my mind, terminally average and unncessary. From a Disney point of view, so far anyway, they are adapting 'good' films so there is minimal risk in making a bad one it comes with brand awareness.

The only exception so far is possibly Dumbo because that was very much not a literal adaptation and was also not a good film in my opinion. Then again, at its core it is about a flying elephant.

I'm a bit disappointed that Idris Elba won't be the lead in the new Blade movie. Mahershala Ali is alright, but I can't really picture him in the role.

But he's not a bad actor. He could very well pull it off. That's the only one of the Phase 4 Marvel films that I'll likely be seeing at release. I won't touch Thor: Love and Thunder with a hundred foot stick (didn't like normal Thor with the affable and hunky Chris Hemsworth, so a gender-flipped version with one of my least favorite actresses? Nuh-uh.), and I don't feel the need to see more Captain Strange, or whatever his name is.

@Th3solution I didn't mind Emma Watson before, but I have to admit that I don' know if I can enjoy her work anymore after she ruined Belle in Beauty and the Beast. It's not really her fault, though: she was SO miscast.

Has this been posted yet? I hadn't heard about this. Haha. No old movie is to be spared.

@Ralizah Lol, “Captain Strange” 😂

But yes, speaking of miscast .... Portman was already weak in her role as Jane Foster, now she really strikes me as a poor FemThor. I’ll give the benefit of the doubt to the filmmakers but I share your trepidation.

I never thought the original Dumbo was a great film, passable at best (Though "Pink Elephants On Parade" is certainly a visual spectacle) @Rudy_Manchego but after learning about the history behind it it's kinda sad

It's actually based off of a book at the time by a Helen Aberson-Mayer and her husband.

Apparently the publishing company sold the rights to Disney and she got a bit of money out of it from the sale to make it into a film.

But apparently she never wrote again, barely got any recognition from the film and the rights eventually defaulted to Disney or something

@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy That's funny, consider the antagonist of the Dumbo remake is basically an exploitative entertainer/businessman modeled after Walt Disney. I still have to wonder how nobody realized that the director was clearly giving Disney the middle finger in that movie.

I haven't actually seen it @Ralizah but I can only imagine as Tim Burton (Dumbo Remake's director) had to make "The Nightmare Before Christmas" with them because he made the sketches at work while he was an animator or something and it was technically the studio's property

Kevin Feige confirmed that Blade is not part of Phase 4.

@KratosMD I might give Cube another go, it must be 10-12 years since I saw it. It's not really my cup of tea in allot of respects, but I'm allot more into scifi and scifi horror than I was back then so maybe I'll enjoy those aspects of it more these days.

@KratosMD it’s typical low budget 90s from memory 😂 Have you seen Event Horizon?

@WanderingBullet you know i'm excited for the upcoming stuff BUT i think Marvel should think about calling it a day with the MCU and go to individual character movies, it's getting almost as hard as the comics for newcomers to get into, many actors are reaching the point where they are too expensive to use, can't or don't want to do it anymore plus the whole Sony owning Spider-Man issue which is rearing it's head again

don't get me wrong i would love to see more interconnected movies BUT there is also franchise fatigue to take into account, i have seen many people online saying that Endgame was the end for them, that they have had enough, it's 23 films and 18 TV series in just 11 years, in contrast for example James Bond has only had 24 films and that started back in the 60's

i know for Disney the MCU films are a huge draw BUT i think it's starting to get to the point where they aint making them to make great movies but making them because they have to

seriously Phase 4 should be the LAST Phase before it starts to out stay it's welcome

@FullbringIchigo As a fan of the genre I'm not feeling the superhero fatigue, yet. As long as they continue to make good movies I'll continue watching them. Plus, I doubt Disney and Marvel are gonna stop anytime soon either with amount of money they're making from these movies. Regarding Bond, I don't think it's a fair comparison. Bond is just one character, with Marvel they have a huge array of characters to choose from.

@FullbringIchigo I would probably disagree a little on the fatigue point of view. I actually think that the MCU movies have, on the whole, gotten a little better and taken more risks. I think if they followed the same Avengers template, as in, a few films, crossover, a few films, crossover, people will get bored of the pattern. However with the TV shows and the types of new characteres, I think it will be interesting.

I think Thor Ragnarok set a good precedent of mixing characters up. I like that Doctor Strange 2 will have Scarlet Witch in it for example.

The genre as a whole does have to evolve but I think they are doing a good job. I am surprised that they didnt push Black Panther 2 and Captain Marvel 2 sooner. We won't see a sequel until 2022 which is some time. However, not necessarily a bad thing.

@WanderingBullet @Rudy_Manchego oh i don't think the fatigue has set in, i just think that they should end it before it starts setting it

or before they start doing gimmicky things

i do maintain that it's hard for new watchers to get into though, i was talking to a mate who has not watched he marvel films as he isn't a big movie person but he said he was interested UNTIL i told him how many there was

his exact words were, "23 and i would have to watch them all, well **** that"

@Rudy_Manchego @FullbringIchigo Dr. Strange 2's an interesting one. Not only is it a multiverse story but also a horror genre.

Never read any of their comics before and I'm intrigued by the characters from The Eternals. They have a very diverse cast. They also swapped the genders for two of the heroes. Looks like it could be interesting.
As well as Shang Chi, since I love the martial arts genre. Even though, I thought Ben Kingsley's fake version was hilarious we'll finally get to see the real Mandarin.