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AdamantiumClaws

BAMozzy wrote:

@AdamantiumClaws The Xbox controller is considered the 'best' because the asymmetrical layout means that the Left thumb fall naturally on the the left thumbstick and as you don't need to constantly remove the Thumb to use the D-Pad, its in the most natural position for long term play. Because its a more natural position, you also have better control - its been proven time and time again and why professional gamers who play for hours and hours every day prefer them and why all but Sony use that layout. As for the naming, the LB, LT etc are self explanatory - Left Button - referring to the shoulder Button, Left Trigger etc. Its much 'easier' than L1, L2 and L3. The triggers are superior too - especially compared to any controller from Sony prior to the DS4 which in fairness, actually have a great angle and feel more like triggers. Its also why a LOT of FPS games used the 'shoulder' buttons to Shoot as the 'default' but I hated playing racing games on the PS3 because the trigger angles, the silly little horns to hold and symmetrical layout caused my hand to cramp up after a very short time. The symmetrical layout isn't an issue on the DS4 because they added more bulbous 'grips' and much better trigger angles but its still less 'natural' even though its by far the best Sony controller for comfort and long term use - to give credit where credit is due. MS's 'Duke' certainly wasn't the worst in my opinion. There have been a lot of controllers, joysticks etc that are 'worse' in the history of gaming. Granted it was 'oversized' and relatively weighty too but I at least found it 'comfortable' to use - I do prefer the smaller controllers though but the N64 'Trident' wasn't 'better' just as an example...

Whether any of my opinion here is 'unpopular' - maybe within the PS fanboy base, then so be it.

I don't think the triggers are superior at all, they make sense for shooters but not much else. I've always loved Sony's triggers, more comfortable in my hand, and the PS4 ones are just amazing, and very universal.

I will agree that sticks on top is a more natural position for the hand, but Xbox fails in my regard because one stick is at the top and one at the bottom, creating a huge disconnect for a lot of people including myself when playing. The Wii U Pro Controller succeeded in the way Xbox hadn't.

I prefer sticks to be parallel, it's better coordinated for me. So I'll take them being at the bottom over one here and one there.

And in terms of comfort in the hand, Dualshock 4 cannot be beat for me. So comfortable.

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Tasuki

@AdamantiumClaws I will have to agree with @BAMozzy on a few points. Since getting my Xbox One I do find that my hands to fit more naturally with the uneven analog sticks. I also find the trigger buttons better suited for CoD and just in general the Xbox Controller just feels built better. The PS4 controller feels like I could snap that thing in half. I also like the fact that the Xbox One controller gives you the option of using normal batteries as well. One thing that annoys me with the DS4 particularly when going on a long game session. Yeah you can plug in a DS4 but with my layout that's impossible. But then again I guess it's just a case of different strokes for different folks.

@BAMozzy I always called them Left Bumper and Righter Bumper instead of buttons.

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FullbringIchigo

BAMozzy wrote:

@AdamantiumClaws The Xbox controller is considered the 'best' because the asymmetrical layout means that the Left thumb fall naturally on the the left thumbstick and as you don't need to constantly remove the Thumb to use the D-Pad,

honestly i have to disagree i find the asymmetrical layout extremely uncomfortable and the parallel layout a lot more comfortable and easy to use but i also think that's subjective and each person is different although i agree the XB1's triggers are more comfortable to use than the DS4's

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AdamantiumClaws

Tasuki wrote:

@AdamantiumClaws I will have to agree with @BAMozzy on a few points. Since getting my Xbox One I do find that my hands to fit more naturally with the uneven analog sticks. I also find the trigger buttons better suited for CoD and just in general the Xbox Controller just feels built better. The PS4 controller feels like I could snap that thing in half. I also like the fact that the Xbox One controller gives you the option of using normal batteries as well. One thing that annoys me with the DS4 particularly when going on a long game session. Yeah you can plug in a DS4 but with my layout that's impossible. But then again I guess it's just a case of different strokes for different folks.

@BAMozzy I always called them Left Bumper and Righter Bumper instead of buttons.

I realized that with the PS4 that you can plug the DS4 into any phone charger adapter that has a USB port and just plug it into the wall. That solved the problem for me of charging. I remember you couldn't do that with DS3.

I personally abhor using batteries and am glad it has been mostly phased out. Lol. One of the reasons I hate playing my Wii.

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BAMozzy

@Tasuki Bumper or Button - both begin with B and therefore still a 'logical' fit for LB/RB...

@FullbringIchigo Maybe because that's what you have become accustomed to but its actually proven to be more 'beneficial' for gaming comfort over long sessions as its 'generally' a more natural position for the thumb. Of course there will be exceptions...

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@BAMozzy part of the issue for me is the XB1 controller is a bit too bulky for my hands and it actually hurts after prolonged play, of course the fact i have stress fractures in my wrists and hands doesn't help much either

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AshSilverChair95

@Kidfried I get what you were saying & yes I do know that games such as Valiant Hearts & Child of Light have garnered critical acclaim , but I think that the main problem with Ubi is how their yearly heavy hitters such as The Crew , AC ,WD & Far Cry are uninspired , samey & soulless imo.

AshSilverChair95

AshSilverChair95

@BAMozzy While I do agree that Ubi are better than Activision & Ea , still they should improve the quality of their games & make them less repetitive by moving away from your typical cookie cutter open world formula their games are known for .As for horror games I really do enjoy them all whether they're in 1st person , 3rd person or OTS they all work for me , it's just that I'm really interested to see if someone will take the classic RE formula & put their own twist on it.

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Here are some of my other gaming opinions:

1-I can't believe that some people prefer last gen to this gen.

2-Western games got better stories while Japanese games are superior in terms of combat & speaking of Japanese games , I think that they generally suffer from weak stories & unrelatable protagonists .

3-Character customization in games such as the SR franchise is a lost art & seriously needs to comeback.

4-Lastly,sports games suck nowadays especially the WWE2K franchise these games prioritize realism over fun gameplay ,which is by the way a bad representation of how these sports are actually like in real life , this is the case mainly with the aforementioned WWE games.

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@adf86 I totally agree that 60FPS is better , but some certain games such as Uncharted & TLOU look much better at lower framerates mainly because they're designed to feel like movies imo.

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Jaz007

I don’t care what’s been “proven” honestly, I prefer the placement of Sony’s sticks. I’ve never gotten a hand cramp from the DS4. Heck, the last time I remember getting cramped was from Spectrobes 2 on the freaken DS (Not 3DS).
I also think the trackpad is a great idea. It also makes it the best PC controller easy, since you can use it for the mouse.

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BAMozzy

AdamantiumClaws wrote:

I personally abhor using batteries and am glad it has been mostly phased out. Lol. One of the reasons I hate playing my Wii.

Personally, I abhor the use of 'Normal' batteries too! However I love the option to use Normal Batteries, Rechargeable Batteries and rechargeable battery packs. I NEVER have to play wirelessly - EVER and never have to switch controllers or play wired whilst charging the controller. Some quote the MS battery pack as an example but you can also buy third party battery packs quite cheaply or even just buy rechargeable AA batteries that can be used in various other devices so you don't have to spend mega-bucks and, already have 'batteries' if you buy new controllers - not paying for 'built-in' battery that's so small and inadequate for long sessions.

Another advantage of battery compartments is that when the rechargeable battery dies, as they do because rechargeables only have a limited amount of charges, is that the controller isn't 'useless' when that happens. I have 3 DS3's that are useless because the battery is dead - another 2 that only last an hour at most. All my XB360 controllers are still fine and will be fine in 10yrs because I can use rechargeable AA's or even normal AA's long after 360 controllers are impossible to find. I know you may have to play wired but I prefer to play wirelessly.

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For me personally I much prefer the PS4 and other dualshock controllers. They are lighter than the Xbox controllers (I guess because of the latter's batteries), which, owing to my arthritis hurt my hands if I use them for a long time. That's actually a big deal for me. The Dualshock 3 did have crap "spongy" triggers, which was a big downside compared to the 360 one. However, Sony's controllers benefit from very good D-pads, which are also well positioned in relation to the left analogue stick. The triggers on the dualshock 4 are a big improvement on its predecessor, so I have no complaints there. Don't get me started on Nintendo's default controllers - they're horrid!

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Ralizah

I love the joycon controllers, as they're extremely comfortable to use when one is nestled in each hand, and they're extremely versatile. Being able to play games without my hands having to be locked in front of me is extremely freeing. If I could easily find a way to get my PC and PS4 to recognize them as one controller instead of two, I'd use them to play everything that doesn't require a D-Pad.

With that said, I think the DS4 is easily the most comfortable "traditional" controller this generation. It's a sleek controller with a great symmetrical layout (the analog sticks protrude further out than the D-Pad, so it makes sense to put the D-Pad near the edge of the controller so that both are relatively easy to access, as opposed to the terrible asymmetrical design of the Xbone and Switch Pro controllers, which make using the D-Pad uncomfortable), fantastic triggers, and analog sticks that are indented to actually grip your thumbs. It's too bad the borderline useless touchpad, the hard to press options and share buttons, and the extremely short battery life keep it from being as good as could possibly be.

So, for me:

Joycons > DS4 >>> Xbone controller >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steam Controller (seriously, it's the most uncomfortable thing ever)

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JohnnyShoulder

@BAMozzy While you can get cheaper battery packs, my experience with em in the 360 days is that they do not hold thier charge as long as the official ones and would die much quicker. I think I went through just as many 360 controllers as I've been through DS4 controllers in a similar time frame(I was late getting a 360). Must have gone through dozens of those battery packs too, so that all adds up to the extra cost.

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BAMozzy

@JohnnyShoulder Not all 3rd Party batteries were created 'equal' as you say but I also had some battery packs that lasted equally as long as MS's own. You could still of used branded rechargeable AA's from Duracell, Energizer etc and a pack of 4 batteries and a charger was no more expensive than a 'single' MS rechargeable pack and gave you some spare. If they died, then the only cost was a pack of batteries because you already have a charger and those were transferable to the XB1 controller too because both use AA's. If you are a 'retro' gamer, will still be an option for many years - long after 360 rechargeable battery packs have disappeared and DS3's, DS4's are 'dead'. If you bought rechargeable AA's, you didn't need to buy a new battery pack for the XB1 and, if MS keeps the same options, will not need to buy a battery pack for subsequent controllers either.

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JohnnyShoulder

@BAMozzy 360 controllers do not last indefinitely though and would need replacing eventually.

Having to keep changing batteries was a pain, and only the expensive brands like Duracell would last a decent amount of time. Rechargeable or cheap batteries I found very inconsistent.

Not saying the DS4 is a better controller, but personally I much prefer the way they charge.

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BAMozzy

@JohnnyShoulder Of course nothing lasts forever! However, they have a much longer 'shelf' life because they can replace the batteries easily enough. I still much prefer the option of a battery compartment as it offers much flexibility for any budgets as well as a 'longer' potential life span. If I wanted to play on my XB360, I can easily use any of my Controllers wirelessly - as they were intended and for extended gaming sessions - thanks to the battery compartment. I cannot do the same with ANY of my DS3's anymore because 3 of which don't charge and the other 2 last around 1hr from a 'full' charge.

We already have a 'throwaway' generation where if a controller 'dies', throw away the controller and buy a new one. I know a lot won't care less about the PS3 and then the PS4 as 'new' generations come so longevity and future use isn't a concern - its all about the here and now. Its also more expensive to have 2 controllers, one as a 2nd for when the first needs charging than it is for a battery charger and a pack of decent rechargeable batteries. These still last longer than the 'small' built-in battery in a DS4 - small to keep it 'light' and fit in the design.

Charging batteries is no worse than having to charge controllers. Its exactly the same principal so I don't see an issue there at all. Whether its plugging in a controller or batteries, there is no real difference at all and at least you can continue playing wirelessly if the batteries do run out.

Another aspect of course is that its much easier to buy replacements and not paying for 'built-in' battery packs unnecessarily. If I buy a 'new' Xbox controller, I already have rechargeable options for it so don't need to pay for a rechargeable battery - whether built in or not. Its cheaper too than buying a 2nd controller to swap to if playing wired is not 'ideal' or practical or force you to buy longer cables to reach across the room.

The 'only' advantage of built-in is the ergonomics of the controller - not having to factor in a Battery compartment. The 'convenience' and operation is identical to MS's Plug and Play packs - play until the battery needs charging and then plug in the controller and play and charge - the 'same' as a DS4 - except if you do buy a new controller, you have the battery and cable already so don't need to pay for another battery unnecessarily - whether that's a separate or included in the base price. If you don't want that convenience, you can buy AA's and a recharger which is 'cheaper but more versatile as those batteries can be used in XB360 controllers or any other device that uses AA's.

In every way, the Xbox controllers are as 'convenient' as a PS controller, and in a LOT of ways superior as far as battery is concerned. You can have the exact same plug and play, charge whilst you play options and actually get a LOT more game time per charge as well as offering more options for whatever your budget is and whether or not you want to keep playing wirelessly. Its still cheaper than a 2nd controller that you have to swap over too and 'remember' to charge.

Even in the 360 era, my 360 rechargeable batteries lasted much longer than DS3's built in battery pack and with the DS4 lucky to last more than 5-6hrs, that gap has increased significantly. It's far more convenient to charge and change the batteries once a week than having to find a cable to charge your controller or swap controllers to keep playing every day!

Each to their own of course but I much prefer to be given options than none!

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JohnnyShoulder

@BAMozzy 5-6 hours for a DS4? My newest one which is probably almost a year old just lasted me the weekend for gaming, which is probably at least double that. Obviously the older they get the less they hold their charge, but that is true for almost every device which has a battery.

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@BAMozzy Other than the rather finicky reassembly - replacing DS3 battery packs is very cheap, and very easy. Not got to the point of feeling the need to with my launch DS4s as they've always been rotated in use.

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