Topic: Unpopular Gaming Opinions

@sentiententity I can’t say Hollow Knight or Hyper Light Drifter fall into that category but Cuphead definitely leans slightly too hard into frustration at times. I think people get different things out of games and personally I quite like a challenge. That being said, I like it when games are fair and when devs tip the scales for difficulty’s sake, I do not like that at all.

@Kidfried It’s specifically the run and gun levels that drag it down for me. I loved the game but those levels felt cobbled together, as if they threw together frustrating mechanics to see what stuck. It’s more that when I finished those levels I reacted with ‘thank f*ck it’s over’ rather than ‘wow I’m so proud of myself’. Although I take back what I said about Hollow Knight, I’ve been doing some optional content that is... not fun.

@RogerRoger The problem more lies in 70 dollars, euros and pounds just not being the same price. 70 dollars, sure I’d pay that but 70 pounds is a premium product. For games to be that price and still include lootboxes, bugs or just not be very good? That’s a lot of money down the drain. Even more games will slip into obscurity now as you’ll only pay for the big exclusives. This is where services like Game Pass will scoop up smaller games that wouldn’t get a look in otherwise.

Cuphead is challenging, for sure, but not a single moment of it felt unfair to me. Even the Run n Gun levels felt well-designed for speed running and the like.

And yeah, you can definitely tailor the experience to make it easier or harder on yourself.

To be honest, I wouldn't characterize any of the games listed as being overly difficult. I didn't particularly enjoy HLD, but that wasn't because of the difficulty.

Hollow Knight's DLC content gets a little ridiculous, though, I'll admit.

@nessisonett I agree that Sony need to be careful that the pricing doesn’t ruin the indie developers, especially after they’ve been championing the smaller studios.

They really ought to have a specific area on their online store for such games to help highlight them but that also causes issues that they become gatekeepers and where is the line drawn for what is”indie”?

@Ralizah The Hollow Knight DLC is tough but The Grimm Troupe is fair I thought (easy to say as I beat it) and the Path of Pain is something else. The Pantheons were too much for me but the devs have said a lot of that was designed to challenge the best players who had asked for such a thing.

I think that’s quite cool but as someone who likes to get everything out of the games they play, it was a little frustrating. It also meant my final days with the game we’re struggling and failing with the Pantheons which slightly tarnishes my memory of the game.

I can't see i see a problem with the idea. Actually, I think it's a bit odd that most retail games tend to be about the same price. Some are such different products and the amount of resources required can vary hugely, as well as the quality of the experience.

You get luxury goods and value goods in plenty of other markets.

Plus if you can't afford or don't want to pay full price for the game just wait until price drops. No one is forcing anyone to buy a game at day 1. I've already got Demon Souls for 5 quid less than the RRP and it is not even out yet.

@RogerRoger I started off this gen with not a great deal of disposable income, so after saving most of it up for the PS4 I had to either wait prices to come down drastically or play the trading game. I can remember waiting a couple of months for The Last of Us Remastered to be available in my local CEX, as I had some credit from trading my 360 in. I remember the day I finally got as it felt like getting it the day it had released.

People will always manage to find a way to get hold of games somehow. Sometimes that may mean having a bit more patience or trading some old stuff on.

@Kidfried I think my first PS4 game was Journey and then that Transformers Platinum game cause they were on PS Plus. My brother then bought PES and we spent loads of time playing local multiplayer. I then picked up Final Fantasy X/X-2 so I guess my first ‘proper’ PS4 games would have been when my uncle gave me Uncharted 4!

@Kidfried My first game came with the console, Infamous Second Son. Then my mate at work lent me Killzone Shadowfall shortly afterwards. I probably didn't spend much on games as I traded as I went along, maybe the odd lower priced title or something like that off PSN. Child of Light was an early highlight, great little game.

@RogerRoger Don't worry, you don't come across as handing out a lecture. Hopefully some peeps out there will find our ramblings somewhat useful if they are are in a similar position.

@Arugula I mean, my 3DS and Wii U had way better libraries due to BC. I’d go as far as to say that the 3DS has the greatest library of any console due to it having DS games as well. The PS2 and fat PS3 had it as well. The PS4 didn’t have it and look how many remasters we got of PS3 games that really weren’t hugely necessary. With how digital people’s libraries have become, it makes sense that BC would be on people’s mind. It’s one thing if your console can’t read old discs, it’s another if you have to buy the same game twice on your same digital account.

@Arugula Actual points do tend to get lost in amongst the 200+ comment articles hahaha

This one might be unpopular but I didn’t really like horizon zero dawn the characters didn’t do much to the story IMO the story was weak and the gameplay I thought was a little dull I hope these issues are fixed in the sequel but I’m not holding my breath

@Cloud_strife56 You’re not unpopular with me, my friend. Was not a fan as I’ve said before on here 😅

@Arugula Interesting point - I'll be honest that the whole next gen update etc. is something I don't really understand as its all based on what different companies had done. If every company had decided to charge for an upgrade then we would all accept it. If every company had said you get it for free, we would have accepted it. Previous gens, there were a lot of early gen releases that were cross platform - they needed to be to be commercially viable.

This gen, different companies have different interests so that depends on how they are treating it. For say, CyberPunk 2077 they are launching it right at the time that next gen is going live. They want people to buy it and play so it makes complete sense to offer a next gen upgrade free because it means I'll buy my copy and play it on PS5 (or PC but that's another matter!).

Since previous gen games are capable to be played on next gen hardware - which is a first, it is now down to whether performance matters that much to you. For me - not really, very few games don't run well on PS4. I would actually rather get a full remake then pay for a basic graphical update.

As for B/C, this is a big deal for me and I think game companies have largely listened. If my digital PS4 library stayed on PS4 then I'd be bummed and have less allegiance to the console however it is in Sony's interest to make me feel like my library matters so no brainer. I'd love PS1, PS2 and PS3 games too but I have a feeling they'll be directed to PS Now.

@Kidfried Games have gotten more expensive in the last 20 years. $60 was a PS360 thing. Before games were $50, and were $50 on the Wii. MTs and such are also in games now. I will say paid upgrades are okay within reason, but locking Spider-Man behind Ult Miles Morales is not cool. Not a good practice for consumers that I won't accept.

I hate MGS3 and everything it stands for, that game is basically Konami and Kojima bending the knee to the brainlet MGS2 haters that sent death threats to Kojima and caused a huge outrage over "muh snek"

@whatever-156 Yeah, that’s not true. Kojima does whatever he wants and while the critics were happy that Snake, or at least a version of him, was playable, Kojima set out from the start to tell that story. I like both MGS2 and 3 for the stories they tell and referring to ‘brainlet’ fans is less an unpopular opinion and more completely creating a separate issue. Raiden got his own game later on and also played a pivotal role in MGS4.

@Arugula I see what you’re saying, but I’d argue the big tent pole games for the generation, especially the Sony first and second party games, have had some really strong lead protagonists. Aloy, Sam Porter Bridges, Jin, Senua, Arthur Morgan, 2B... these really carried their respective games.

But yes, some others where the secondary character stole the show:
Trico >> the Boy
Fetch >> Delsin Rowe

@Kidfried I don't know about your, but I was buying €40 games on PS1, and €50 games on GameCube. Now they're €80. They've doubled in price. And if you add DLC and everything on top of this, they've become even more expensive, or rather, there are several more options to pay the publisher that weren't available back then. As long as gaming companies can still boast about record high annual profits, I don't believe they're in dire need of money. Game prices can drop mere months after release, which you wouldn't do if they were so expensive. CEOs accept double digit million bonuses. I think there's plenty of reason to be skeptical, because in the end the main goal of a public company is to increase its annual revenue. That's all.