@timleon Honestly, I’m not a big fan of Persona 4’s cast anyway. Kanji’s about the only one that I really cared about. Well, other than Dojima and Nanako.
@nessisonett@timleon Kanji is probably Troy Baker’s best role. That or Joel inTLoU or maybe Booker Dewitt in BioShock Infinite. A lot of other roles he sounds kinda like himself... (See Delsin Rowe, Higgs, Snow, Bruce Wayne, Samuel Drake, ... etc, etc.)
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Perhaps an unpopular opinion that I was just thinking about yesterday, as a franchise Sonic the Hedgehog is just not very good overall. Of all the games they've released over the decades really only a few are actually great, fun to play games. The cartoons were cool as a kid and the recent movie was surprisingly decent but as a whole there's much much more bad Sonic content than good.
Honestly, some of the more popular "waifu" choices do nothing for me. In addition to Chie, Naoto doesn't appeal to me (Though her interactions with Kanji are fun), I like Makoto but I don't get the massive appeal, Futaba is too much like a cringey corporate interpretation of gamers for me to like (Also the idea of romancing her after playing the game felt weird), Kawakami makes me uncomfortable, Takemi's ok. Just ok.
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Perhaps an unpopular opinion that I was just thinking about yesterday, as a franchise Sonic the Hedgehog is just not very good overall. Of all the games they've released over the decades really only a few are actually great, fun to play games. The cartoons were cool as a kid and the recent movie was surprisingly decent but as a whole there's much much more bad Sonic content than good.
OH GOD HE SPOKE NEGATIVELY ABOUT SONIC THE HEDGEHOG. RULE 1 OF THE INTERNET IS NEVER SPEAK NEGATIVELY ABOUT A DIVISIVE FRANCHISE ON A PUBLIC INTERNET FORUM
@OrigamiCrane I overall enjoy the cast of P5, but if anyone's played 3 & 4 it's harder to ignore that they share too many similarities with the casts from other games. There's some things about P5's cast I like more than their other equivalents, but they don't feel as fresh as they should.
Silent protags don't bug me as much as they should, but if they're gonna be heavily involved I do wish there was more of a character. At least give me the illusion of personality by having voice acted lines.
Makoto's confidant sucks. It's far less about her than the others, and I don't really learn a lot about her as a result. It was definitely not worth the social stats needed. Ann's sucks too, if only because I'm supposed to feel somewhat sympathetic to a character I wish was a Mementos target instead.
"We don't get to choose how we start in this life. Real 'greatness' is what you do with the hand you're dealt." -Victor Sullivan "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one and the same thing." -Solid Snake
@DerMeister I can't say I agree, to be honest. But then again, I've only played 4 and 5. Morgana is very clearly building on what they had with Teddie (with the former being a lot less annoying, in my opinion). For the others...there are maybe some parallels between Yosuke and Ryuji, and at a stretch some elements shared between Yukiko and Ann/Haru, and Chie and Futuba...maybe? Idk this is from the top of my head.
I do agree that it's a shame some of the PT confidants didn't go deeper into their characters, especially Makoto's. I think Makoto is a great character with some interesting story arcs, but we actually see very little of her actual relationship with Joker in-game IMO.
I can't say I agree about the voice acting. I feel giving the protagonist more voice lines would disrupt immersion in the life-sim aspects of the game.
@timleon It’s a lot more noticeable if you’ve played 3, 4 and 5. You can group them even. Junpei, Yosuke, Ryuji. Yukari, Chie, Ann. Fuuka, Yukiko, Haru. Akihiko, Naoto, Makoto. Even Aigis, Teddie and Morgana share fairly similar arcs. I love the Persona games but I’d definitely like to see characters be a bit more original in the next game. Perhaps not a ‘loyal yet perverted best friend’, ‘mascot character’ etc. I know there are only a few high school anime tropes they can wheel out but the characters in games like Shin Megami Tensei 5 aren’t afraid to be a bit different.
@nessisonett Perhaps...but looking at your match-ups I can't help but think any similarities are superficial (e.g. what links Chie and Ann other than being the first girl that you recruit?). And I think it's inevitable having a balanced cast of characters in a similar setting (a Japanese high school), you're going to have some similar character archetypes.
I agree having a a silent protagonist in a story heavy game like Persona is a poor choice.
I'd compare it to Mass Effect 2. Commander Shepard being voice acted makes the experience a lot more immersive and memorable.
Having this so called inspirational leader you can't hear is definitely a weak point in an otherwise great series. It just doesn't make sense.
Seeing as no-one addressed that comment of yours @Th3solution I totally agree on Kanji being one of Baker's best roles.
From what I recall of Infinite I wouldn't say he sounds much different as Booker Dewitt then most of the other roles you've listed to be honest (Though Joel and his Southern drawl is more unique)
I think the whole roles sounding familar thing is more to do with voice direction in the industry and them playing it rather safe/wanting the talent to be more easily recognisable (especially in the bigger AAA projects).
It brings to mind FFXIII where I seem to recall Vanille's voice actress was given a lot of flak for having a "fake" aussie accent whereas Fang has a "proper" aussie accent. The fact was Fang's va was american and Vanille was actually an aussie (I think the character was supposed to be hiding her accent too hence why it sounded a bit off?).
Bit of a bad example as I can't remember the actual quality of the va (Because the less I remember of XIII the better) but still... it's no doubt best to play it somewhat safe and use the actor's standard performing voice as it's no doubt easier to understand (as they seem to typically be a bit more accentless).
Plus I easily have the most unpopular opinion regarding persona.
Kashiwagi's (Ya know... From P4) a "better girl" (And honestly a more interesting character) then most of the persona 5's cast
@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy Yeah, there is probably some attraction to having the big name VA recognizable, but for the handful of popular VA it can get tedious.
I’ve been playing TT Guardians of the Galaxy and Nolan North voices Rocket, and sounds almost identical to Bradley Cooper. It took me a while to realize it was North. On the contrary, the VA for Star Lord (Scott Porter) really doesn’t sound or act like Chris Pratt. I’m not sure what leeway these actors have to make the role their own.
As for Miss Kashiwagi... I had forgotten about her. She was a very funny character though, who probably didn’t get enough screen time. 😄 I’ll agree she was a better teacher character than Kawakami in P5.
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Liam O'Brien does a fantastic Gollum/Smeagol in the Shadow Of Mordor/War games that's pretty much on point with Andy Serkis @Th3solution whereas Troy Baker's leading man of Talion is probably the most snore inducing performance of his I've heard... The writing doesn't help as Talion doesn't exactly have a lot going for him in those games... But still.
There's no doubt a lot of outside factors to take in for the art of voice acting and like you said we'll never quite know how much they're allowed to help mould the character.
If there was a social link with Miss Kashiwagi in P4 similar to Miss Toriumi in P3 with you unintentionally befriending her or something... I would've took it in a heartbeat
Kawakami's not a bad character... Her situation comes off rather stupid though from what I remember.
Tae Takemi is one of the better, and frankly one of the few unique, characters in P5 to me. Her and the politician guy were the most interesting Social Link/Confidants. I guess the gunshop guy was ok too. All the rest were honestly very forgetable to me 😅
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@ShaiHulud It really is. I was at least hoping for some DLC as I quite enjoyed the Kidman DLC from the first one. Ah well, I’m really looking forward to what they do with Ghostwire: Tokyo.
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