Topic: E3 2018

@BAMozzy The east-Asian music during the teaser gave it away. Tenchu is the first game I thought about when I saw that trailer. It doesn't seem ''Bloodborne'' at all to me.

There was little pointing to shadows die twice being bloodborne 2, it was really just fans' wishes and dreams.

@Octane Tenchu is certainly the most obvious but there are a lot that probably don't remember these games and so it wasn't as 'obvious'. Its also possible that FromSoftware could have a completely 'new' game (new IP) that is like Tenchu - in the same way Bloodborne was like the 'Souls' games. I wouldn't mind the 'horror fantasy' setting of Bloodborne for example in a lot of different genre games - an open world RPG like Witcher 3, Fallout or a linear story like Dead Space, Bioshock.

As I said in a post (or 2) above, Tenchu would fit into the big open world action RPG games we see to be quite commonly around today. The style and setting would be great - although could be a bit 'close' to Ghost of Tsushima in some ways. I know we know little about Ghost but it is an open world action game set against the backdrop of Feudal Japan. Tenchu is more 'Ninja' though compared to the Samurai of Ghost so may be more 'stealth'. I picture it as maybe more of an Assassin's Creed:Origins with Ninjas which I think could really work for Tenchu.

Whether it is 'Tenchu' or not, we will have to see but the franchise has had its up's and down's and may be better to make a spiritual successor (so to speak) than to put the Tenchu name on it and put some people off - either because of playing mediocre games in the past or because they hadn't played the older games. Some do think that because they didn't play 'older' games, they can't play newer ones.

Anyway, its only 4 weeks until E3 - unless we get more leaks in the meantime - so we will no doubt find out exactly what FromSoftware have been working on...

General Wants:

Microsoft - Just show SOMETHING worthwhile
Sony - Let Ghost of Tsushima be interesting to play
Nintendo - Just don't suck

General Expectations:

Microsoft - Well ya didn't show jack all
Sony - Eh. Solid if unremarkable
Nintendo - Well that sucked.

@YummyHappyPills

or more likely we will get

Microsoft - great games but mostly multi-platform and supplemented by lots of Indies too.
Sony - Deja vu, Solid but not too many games shown and only a few VR/Indies in a showreel
Nintendo - Sucked but people will still flip their lids because of 'Zelda, Mario or Metroid'

MS's E3 2017 did show more games than anyone else and will probably do so again - whether their own titles can stand alongside the big third party games or seem more like the plethora of indies they had, who knows. Only Forza 7 to me stood out but its not as if there aren't alternatives and didn't really offer much (if anything) more than other Racing sims. PUBG looked rough (like a F2P with just the 1 selling point), Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2 looked like some of the indies they had and Crackdown 3 didn't stand out - another 'Agents of Mayhem' and that was forgotten very quickly. The games that did stand out were AC: Origins, Anthem and Metro as well as maybe the indies like Ori and the Will o the Wisp, Cuphead and the Last Night.

Sonys felt very 'Deja Vu' with a lot of the same titles appearing as the year before. Only SotC was announced (if you don't count the VR/Indies and multi-plat releases) and that was a remaster of a remaster. Not saying VR doesn't count but with only 5% of PS4 owners with a PSVR headset, it wasn't that appealing to me as one of the 95% without a headset.

I didn't watch Nintendo's myself because I had no intention of purchasing the Switch and haven't owned a Nintendo since the Wii - which ended up gathering dust quite quickly. I do keep up with 'news' on youtube - just in case there is sufficient games that would justify purchasing but as I don't game other than at home on a 4k HDR TV, the games really have to be something special to me (not to anyone else) to really merit the cost. As such, I can't comment on their E3 2017 presentation.

For me, what I look for in each, is what games can I add to my wanted list. If the games were added the year before, then seeing a 'bit' more of these, with no clearer idea of when I will actually get my hands on them, isn't all that exciting. Solid maybe but not exciting. If the games are 'new' but mediocre or not my thing, then these too won't be added to my wanted list - at best my 'wait and see' list but what I want is to add to my wanted list. The best (or as others may say, the winner) of E3 is the one that adds the most games to my wanted list. If, for example, MS do show a few games that make it to my wanted list, and Sony show games that were added last year - even if those games are 'higher' on my wanted list, its not the 'best' in my opinion.

@BAMozzy We arent getting Zelda, Mario or Metroid this E3. Sorry. Nothing for people to flip over

@YummyHappyPills Maybe a actual game-play from the metroid prime 4 that was teased - that maybe enough for Nintendo fans to flip over - that or a tease of smash bros or some other Mario spin off - like tennis, golf etc... Even if its just a 'deluxe' version of a Wii U game...

@BAMozzy They confirmed no 2019 or beyond games will be shown.

This leaves Fire Emblem, Yoshi, Super Smash Bros. and the potential of a Pokemon or surprise title.

Thats it.

Enjoy.

Also before you say Nintendo fans will buy anything, just remember how poorly most of their 2015 and 2016 releases sold This year is decidedly as bad as it was back then.

@Kidfried Who shows it off is irrelevant I think. Tenchu may have started off on PS1 but then the Xbox wasn't in existence and the only alternatives were really the N64 or Sega Saturn. The N64 had limitations - hence Final Fantasy 7 ended up on PS1 - and the Sega Saturn was a 'commercial' flop so may not have had the 'numbers' to justify making the game for. Tenchu 3 was on the OG Xbox as well as the PS2 though although the 4th was PS2 only which was the last Tenchu to arrive on a PS home console - although the PSP did receive a couple of games after and the Nintendo DS had a release too. The last two Tenchu games for home console (Z and Shadow Assault: Tenchu - an Xbox live arcade game that was similar to 'Bomberman') were both exclusive to the Xbox - at least in the European and North American markets - there maybe others in the Japanese market that may have released on the PS3/PS4 but if not, Tenchu hasn't been on Playstation home consoles since the PS2.

Its difficult to say that if FromSoftware were to be making a new Tenchu, that it would be more likely to be on PS4 or Xbox - even just on their stage. Arguably it would be much more important for MS to secure the deal (marketing and/or timed OR permanent exclusivity) because of the lack of 1st party exclusives and the fact that Sony have a number of Japanese games as well as Ghost of Tsushima BUT then FromSoftware do have a history with Sony and it may fit better with the Playstation (being Japanese and the popularity in Japan). Whether Sony or MS are willing to invest in it too though could determine the choices open to FromSoftware and where it ends up. I would think it will be multi-platform but again, time will tell...

I'm OK with Tenchu as long as it is similar to a Souls/God of War type of open world, ie not a sandbox type game but you still have a bit of freedom in the world.

I made an E3 predictions list/bingo card/sweepstakes list for anyone that wants to use one.

EA:
Battlefield V is shown and releasing in November
Battle Royale mode is mentioned
No mention of loot boxes at any point during the show
Andrew Wilson says “there listening to their players”
Anthem get new gameplay with March 2019 date
Fifa’s story is shown again
And announce they have the Champions League licence
At least one awkward “celeb” appearance is made
Mass Effect Trilogy Remaster is announced
Respawn’s Star Wars game teased
At least one indie produced game is shown
NBA, NHL and Madden shown, obviously

Microsoft:
Phil Spencer wears at least three different T-shirts
Shadow of the Tomb Raider gameplay shown
Cyberpunk 2077 revealed
Will be first person with a mute protagonist
Microsoft mention “World premiere” at least 5 times
Metro Exodus gets new gameplay
Remedy’s new game shown
New Gears of War, Halo and Fable announced
New content for Sea of Thieves
Crackdown 3 given late 2018 release date
Forza Horizon 4 shown and September release date
Game pass, BC, accessible controller and design lab all mentioned
From Software’s Shadows Die Twice is a new Tencu game
Microsoft mention “cross platform play” at least once in their annual thinly veiled dig at Sony

Bethesda:
Starfield revealed
Fallout 3 being remastered for PS4, XBO and Switch
Doom 2 announced, coming 2019
At least one mobile game is shown
Prey getting standalone expansion
New Doom movie in the works
New Rage 2 gameplay

Ubisoft:
“Live services” are mentioned at least three times
Watch Dogs 3 gameplay shown, gets a November release
Game is set in London
New Beyond Good and Evil 2 footage shown but not gameplay
Far Cry 5 gets upcoming expansion trailer
Starlink reshown, no longer needs toys to life
Another cringy song and dance number for Just Dance
A new Mario and Rabbids game in the works
Zombi U ported to Switch
Rainbow Six Esports is mentioned
New Splinter Cell closes the show
The Division 2 revealed
Setting is Washington DC

Nintendo:
New Metroid shown off, due next year
Smash Bros for Switch is a Remaster of the wii u game with more characters, stages and modes etc
Smash coming in September
Fortnite coming to Switch
Shovel Knight 2 announced
Shovel Knight himself appears in Smash
New Yoshi Switch game release date given
Xenoblade Chronicles X coming to Switch, arrives fall 2018
Pokemon Switch given in depth look, coming in October
StarFox racing announced
Nintendo executives make cringy attempt to be “hip”
New Labo products revealed

Square Enix:
Kingdom Hearts 3 shown and dated for November
More Shadow of the Tomb Raider shown
New game from RPG Factory revealed
Fear Effect Reinvented shown and dated
Yoko Taro makes an appearance
Promises new Nier game in the works
FF XV continues to be milked
New characters for Dissidia
Crystal Dynamics's Avengers game revealed
Dragon Quest Builders 2 dated
Just Cause 4 announced
At least one new Final Fantasy game announced
FF VII is mentioned but not shown

Sony:
“Best place to play” is mentioned at least once
John Kodera makes an appearance
Spiderman gameplay shown and the game’s main villain shown
Ghost of Tshushima gets gameplay reveal, focuses on stealth.
Vague 2019 release
Death Stranding gets new trailer showing Diane Kruger’s character
Gameplay shown for the first time
Game’s official title is announced, Metal Gear Solid 0: Death Stranding
No year or platforms are mentioned now
The Last of Us Part 2 gameplay shown, Ellie features heavily
Story is revealed to have two protagonists, Ellie and Ellie’s mother (set before she was born)
2019 release.
God of War expansion teased but no firm details.
Devil May Cry 5 announced, coming early 2019
New Crash Team Racing announced
New Spyro trailer shown
Destiny 2’s new expansion revealed
Annual Cod trailer
Modern Warfare 2 Remaster announced, coming in August
Dreams beta announced for July, releases in August
At least 5 new PSVR games revealed
No Man's Sky get VR update
Sony exclusive RaySpace is a VR game made by Studio Japan
Resident Evil 2 Remake revealed, due in 2019
Rocksteady's new game revealed... Superman

PC Gaming Show:
At least one person is actually watching it

@adf86 Why would Nintendo announce a Yoshi's Island game when the upcoming Yoshi game isn't even out yet?

@Octane Well Nintendo isn't my strongest suit and I know some will get annoyed if I left them out

@adf86 I doubt Death Stranding will have anything to do with MGS, Konami own the IP and Kojima won't have anything to do with em.

@JohnnyShoulder Well this is more to do with recent fan theory videos on Youtube that found interesting connections between both MGS and DS. I don't buy it personally cos the amount of people required to be in the know and keep it secret for this long seems doubtful but I thought it was a fun prediction anyway.

@adf86 i wouldn't bother with fan theory videos on Youtube, just go back and check some of the theory videos for Star Wars The Last Jedi and see how well they turned out

just a load of people making connections between things that don't exist

@FullbringIchigo I don't really, just find the speculation a bit of fun tbh.

Im still on the stance that this E3 will be fairly safe. Not bad but not amazing.

We already know what Sony and Nintendo are bringing almost entirely with their pre event statements.

MS is really left as a wildcard but there are only two responses to their show this year. Either "That was good" or "Thats a shame". This is the make or break event after Phil Spencer spent 4 years chatting up reveals yet to come.

@adf86 If we are doing crazy fan theories then Microsoft will buy EA and Apple will buy Nintendo. Microsoft finally have a decent amount of EXCLUSIVES which they mention 153 times, including all the sports titles cos EA don't care about the dollar any more.

Apple have the all of Nintendo's back catalogue on IOS which is why first party titles have been rare this year on Switch. All free to play and full of microtransactions. Nintendo fan boys feint around the world and the Internet bursts into flames.

Sony reveal PS5 with Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Shenmue 3 as launch titles. No disc drive and PS+ is required for ALL games and goes up to 100 quid a year but with 'free' PS Now, which now includes every PS1, PS2 and PS3 game. Apart from EA games.

Boom! You heard it here first guys.

@adf86 I doubt battlefield will be November because of rdr. Maybe the last week of November but that's too late. Same for watch dogs 3. Seems like everyone fears rdr2 like it's the biggest thing ever in gaming.