I was pretty disappointed with it when I played it all those years ago... Nero didn't play differently enough to me... and even if you had to replay the levels (which is pretty bad) Dante feels MUCH better to play as being able to switch styles on the fly then Nero who feels a bit underbaked in comparison.
It's a rather awkward entry all around...
DMC 5 seems much better though, hope you enjoy it!
@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy With me finally getting my way through the DmC series and polishing off Bloodborne, I reckon that’s been a productive week! I did find Nero a bit underbaked compared to Dante but I found myself missing his arm grab thingy as it was really useful against those angels with the big shield. Downloaded DmC5 last night but I just got past a big part in Fire Emblem Three Houses so decision time!
@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy Divinity is wayyy better than Baldurs Gate in my opinion. I’d really recommend you play OS1 since you’re enjoying number 2 so much. Not saying you will enjoy it as much as number 2 even though I think it’s better myself, but it’s totally worth playing no matter how you slice it. Interested to find out what Larian will be doing with BG3, I’d love for the combat system to be more in line with OS.
I have always wanted to play Icewind Dale so it’s going to be that or Neverwinter Nights after a bit of a break. I can’t justify £40 on NWN and apparently it crashes a lot so I’ll wait until it’s much cheaper.
@Rudy_Manchego Yeah, it's quite disappointing how they really dropped the whole drinking mechanic the second it was introduced. I think they could've done a lot more with it. I believe Oxenfree also ran terribly when it first came out, so I'm not surprised it was the case with Afterparty as well! That's really something they should look into fixing for their next game. Never a great first impression.
I finished up Tearaway on the PS Vita today. I have had it on the shelf for some time but making a long story short I am now working with someone who worked on the game so felt it prudent to do a full playthrough.
Media Molecule are the experts on this kind of game and I loved the aesthetic and world building and it had some really fun ideas. It does use the Vita well. My only gripe is a personal one - I find the touch controls on the back of the Vita difficult for my short stubby fingers and I also hate tilt levels in games where you have to tilt controllers or handhelds. Mainly because I seem to end up doing it wrong and contorting the console in weird ways to get results which is probably not the intent.
Anyway, a nice little game and glad I played it. The only other thing is the online services, like the website you can get your collection of origami things from was down or not connecting, presumambly because of the age of the game. I'm also intruged to see what Tearaway unfolded is like on PS4 just because of the abundance of touch controls on the Vita.
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Sounds good either way @nessisonett... Though that "fourth house" DLC for fire emblem certainly throws a spanner into the works doesn't it?
I've only played the demo of DMC V but Nero's new cyborg arms give him much more versatility in combat. He still seems a bit Dante lite personality wise but... I dunno maybe it was just me at the time (I haven't played DMC 4 since it launched) but I liked Nero a bit better in the demo for V too.
Either way you'll no doubt enjoy either one!
Oh I'll be sure to give Original Sin 1 a go @kyleforrester87... I'm keen to give all those D&D games a go too. Plus there's Pillars of Eternity or maybe the second one too... I'm just very keen to try the genre out, especially as they've all come to ps4 now so I can try them!
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@Rudy_Manchego Glad you finished Tearaway. I found it a remarkably charming experience.
Unfolded is more of the same (but a longer game) and uses the DS4 really well in place of the Vita control features. Rather than try to replicate the same mechanics without the Vita's inputs, they've just added more DS4 appropriate ones in place of them. It's just as considered an experience in that regard.
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@KALofKRYPTON Oh I might give it a go then at some point as I am intrigued about it using DS4 and I think I have it on my PS Plus list. I doubt MM would release a quick cash grab port.
@RogerRoger Well, I had told him I'd played it (which I had but not finished it so went back for that reason). I think I will stick with the positives rather than lecture him about my small fingers and problems with tilt mechanics!!!!!
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@kyleforrester87 Nice one! It sounds immensely satisfying to complete a game after all that time.
@Rudy_Manchego I had the same problem with the rear touchpad controls in Tearaway. My hands are quite dainty (if they weren't hairy I would consider modelling jewellery for QVC) so it was a genuine struggle to reach the middle of the touchpad. It meant twisting the Vita in awkward positions every time it was needed. Anyway, asides from that I found the game a genuine delight and really enjoyed it.
Just beat Uncharted 2 for the first time in one sitting. While it did move away from the first game’s more puzzle based sections, I personally preferred it. They really went full on with the blockbuster angle and despite the gunplay being truly mediocre even by 2009 standards, the story and spectacle of it elevated it beyond the sum of its parts. Genuinely, that gunplay is rubbish, I absolutely hated the whole attacked village section because I just died over and over again. Still, a great game overall.
@KratosMD I’m guessing that’s just a plain run through? The game can take almost as long again to do everything for the “true” ending. Plus, the Inferno challenges are pretty tough too.
The only trophy I missed out on was for completing the game on hard mode as it really ramps the difficulty up and I couldn’t face doing it all again.
Definitely have a break before the second game as it is great fun but pretty much just more of the same.
@KratosMD Congrats, I’ve also played the same ones you have, except I haven’t touched Seven yet. It’s a great wee series, one of the true granddaddies of RPGs. It’s good to see Ys getting some love!
@KratosMD I have Ys VIII sitting on my Vita along with Seven just waiting to start but I’m gonna make myself finish Trails in the Sky FC before I start another game on the Vita. My backlog’s piling up which is probably why I’m feeling ok about all those delays this week 😅
So I finished The Outer Worlds two days ago. I’d started playing somewhere in December, but thanks to a busy holiday season I wasn’t able to finish it earlier. I ended up clocking out with about 45 hours on the in-game clock, which in my eyes is an incredibly long playtime. I don’t quite understand the early complaints about how the game was too short, since I’d be very surprised if anyone properly playing and exploring could get under 30 hours.
I can admit that the larger narrative in this game does feel rather short. I went to basically every location in the game, but if my memory serves me right you’d have to only maybe visit half of them to finish the main story if you were ignoring side content. There’s not a lot of main missions, and they often intertwine with what’s considered to be side content by the game. I can understand if people who avoid side content like the plague would be disappointed by its length, but it’s a true disservice to the game and the way it’s built to play. A lot of the side content can heavily affect the main storyline, and influence your eventual ending. I found it to be very well written as well and handle choice excellently. I haven’t played a game before that so constantly uses speech checks, but I love the system. I’d probably love it less if I wasn’t putting all my skill points in the places necessary to pass them however!
The storyline is quite good. It slowly reveals more and more about the world in a very satisfying manner. You’ll slowly figure out the story of everything that’s happening yourself, rather than it feeling like a huge info dump when you’re eventually told the complexities. All the computer logs truly were of importance as well, which I appreciate since many other games might use them just to fill players’ time with nothing of interest. I won’t spoil the location or anything, but there is a time in the story where you will head to a place where there are many computer logs to read about what happened to the people in that location. It’s probably the first time ever I’ve been really invested in something that would be considered lore, and it haunted me throughout the level. The writing and humor in this game are certainly very well done.
There was definitely a sense of ludonarrative dissonance to the finale of the game however. I felt like I was cheesing the big final climax, but I only ever used methods the developers intended. It created a sense of dissatisfaction, but getting the perfect ending was a good way to eventually balance that out. I'm pretty sure that had I gone about it any other way it would've resulted in many, many deaths too. There was quite a difficulty spike for me in the final stretch, which I can only assume was a result of my lack of spending skill points in combat abilities as well as the pistol remaining my default gun for the entire game. Up until that point I was easily able to manage with my loadout however, but at the start of the final stretch I out of nowhere doubled my death count from 2 to 4 while being attacked by ridiculously strong enemies. I was max level too. I guess that teaches me not to always go exclusively for speech check skills!
The combat was generally very basic. It’s not very in-depth of an RPG if we look outside of the narrative aspects. This personally doesn’t bother me really, as amazing combat mechanics are the very last thing I’d look for in a game. The companion abilities are quite cool even if they eventually become a chore to watch. The game gives you plenty of opportunities to forgo combat situations entirely though, which is my preferred method of playing. Maybe it was made a bit too easy in that way. A lot of the situations the game will present you with are quite easily resolved in a peaceful manner that will be more satisfying than any other. There’s not many moments of morally gray, and the hardest time I’ve had picking a choice has to be the very first big one. At the end, where you have to choose between different sides, there’s a very obvious choice that the developers want you to make. One is very vilified whereas the other is quite clean of any reasonable accusations. It did cheapen the feeling of choice a bit, but passing speech checks will never not be satisfying.
Even with all of this, sharp writing, lovable companions, a plentiful of interesting content, beautiful graphics and whatnot, the game still feels like it’s missing something. I just can’t quite put my finger on what it is. Everything it does it does well, maybe even great, but as a full product it just doesn’t quite hold up to that bar for me. It was never not entertaining, but it was never truly exciting. I don’t think it does enough differently to really differentiate itself from other, similar story-driven games. It feels like a very safe game, which in all fairness resulted in a very good product, but it does miss that thing to make it just that little bit better. I had a good time with this game and I don’t regret playing it or any of the hours I put in. It’s certainly recommended to anyone interested as far as I’m concerned. I just don’t think it’s likely to surprise anyone who might be on the fence or convert anyone to a new genre of games. It’s a very solid 8/10 experience, but I’m not sure if I’ll remember it for years and years to come. All that said, I’ll definitely be returning for the DLC!
@KratosMD That reminds me that I should also do a second playthrough of Oxenfree at some point! I've only ever done one and got a good, but not perfect ending. Do you think the changes to the ending stretch of the game justify another 4 hours of gameplay? I'm always hesitant about starting second playthrough in games since I'm not the person to enjoy playing the same thing again, but since it's the intention I might make an exception. I suppose I'll also have to try and play all four hours in a reasonable timeframe if I do!
@Tjuz Thanks for review! I agree most of your points and also enjoyed my time with the game.
For the last level in the prison you can bypass a lot of the combat by using your speech. There is a lady engineer you speak to and if you have a high enough level, she will give you a password to a nearby terminal. You can also bypass the last boss fight depending on your answers when you speak to the person before facing it. But you can also lock pick the nearby door and hack into the terminal to bypass the fight too. So there is never just one way to tackle stuff in the game, there will always be another way if you have the right skills unlocked. You can always respec your character on your ship too.
As for the length of the game, people are comparing it to the recent fallout games. I sunk easily 100 hours into the main game (not including DLC), which I think which why some complained about the length. It didn't bother me however.
@JohnnyShoulder i don't think I did any dialogue in the final prison level except for the necessary ones near the end. I had a cartridge that let me disguise myself, and I basically walked my way through the entire prison just looking at everyone else fight. That's why it felt incredibly cheesy to play it that way, but I had no choice but to avoid combat! I did bypass the last boss, as I luckily had enough skill points to pass the speech checks before it. Gave me a great ending slide too!
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