Topic: Nintendo Switch --OT--

@Gamer83 I think its some double standards to see CG for games that go MIA for years and a bloody crowdfunding campaign on the stage of Sony and the return of a seemingly dead property to be heralded as amazing, but this, with confirmed active development and a release just months away is "nothing".

Would it be better if they crowdfunded Prime 4 and decided Pokemon gets some CG and didnt arrive until 2020?

@BLP_Software Hey, this is not a competition but the comparison is not fitting in any any way.
We already knew about Super Mario Odyssey, it wasn't announced at this E3. That the Pokemon team is working on a Pokemon game is barely an announcement, and surely not a shocking one.The Metroid Prime announcement IS cool and I am super happy about it but the game has not reached that "mythical creature of dreams" status in gamers imagination as FF7 remake or Shenmue 3. Those games were the poster child for far-fetched fan fantasies never coming true. Something like it would be the announcement of Half Life 3 and the closest Nintendo equivalent would probably be a Mother 4 announcement.

Comparison aside, I felt that they didn't have much to show, especially for a console that is not getting a lot of the multi- platform offerings, and I noticed how VC wasn't even mentioned again. It must be said though that E3 is not the only occasion for announcements with Nintendo and they will have other digital reveals throughout the year but this presentation was extremely low key with just one big surprise announced in the most dry way possible.

You're both right...

BLP is right that excitement over the Pokemon and Metroid Prime announcements are no more silly than the excitement surround FFVII:R, Shenmue, and The Last Guardian.

Feena is right that the Nintendo announcements just can't compare to the Playstation announcements. Metroid Prime 4 comes the closest, but it was just the resurrection of a fan-favorite series after years of being in stasis, not a wild dream project that nobody ever thought would happen. I do think Sony was kind of cheating by reaping the benefits of the excitement over Shenmue, though.

I can appreciate someone looking at Ninty's E3 and saying it was underwhelming. I thought Sony's E3 last year was underwhelming (outside of the Resi VII announcement, which, again, was kind of cheating, considering it's a multiplat), and people regularly talk about how amazing and mind-blowing it was. It all depends on what you got out of the games on display.

FOR ME, Super Mario Odyssey is easily a GOTY contender, and I thought the Metroid II remake looks awesome. Additionally, I thought Xenoblade, FE Warriors, and Mario+Rabbids looked really solid. Finally, Metroid Prime IV and a new Pokemon game on a device with the power of a home console are incredibly exciting. I thought it was a really good showing.

^I agree and wouldn't ever say that any kind of excitement is silly hahaha, it's the best part of following the industry and events like E3.

This was my Nintendo E3:

Super Mario Odyssey looks interesting and kind of an oddball ... I like that. At the same time there is something very Super Mario Bros movie/Sonic 06 in its aesthetic that I might need a bit more to digest but probably will contribute to make it more unique. I will probably get a Switch at the time this comes out.

Xenoblade 2 looks terrible imho: bad voice acting, dated graphics (way inferior to Xenoblade Chronicles), extremely tropey-looking characters. That trailer came strikingly close to a JRPG genre parody. FE Warriors is...another warrior game. But we knew about all these titles anyway.

New announcements: Kirby and Yoshi 2d platforms. Ok I guess, but I feel like we had 100 of those in the past years? I am sure they have their audience though. I refuse to acknowledge the Pokemon announcement as an announcement. It's a given. Microsoft is working on a new Halo. Square Enix and Atlus are working on JRPGS. We know. Show me how different/evolved it will be running on the new hardware and I might get excited. They didn't even have a title for this one...

Now, the Metroid titles news are really exciting! Super Metroid is my favourite game of all time and while I would have preferred sprites over 2,5D I am all over return of Samus. Psyched about Prime 4...I have been waiting for this announcement at every E3 for 3-4 years. It just seems strange they hadn't even the faintest glimpse of the game/concept art to show after all of this time.

What's up with the Virtual Console? The Switch is the absolute perfect fit for it and we don't know anything about it. It would totally make the console for a lot of people.

@Feena Metriod Prime 4 was my best Nintendo E3 moment, even though it is clearly early days. Super Metroid was my favourite game of the 16bit gen, possibly of all time. I used to play it with my Dad and we'd spend ages exploring and scanning all areas.

I really want the VC for Switch so I can get this and other games (I don't own a 3DS).

They didn't do much for me either. I know some people are glad to see ''traditional'' Kirby is back, but it looks too much like the Wii game to me. I like the experimental stuff more. I also played Woolly World on the Wii U, it was alright. It's a platformer, but nothing special, and this one seemed very similar. Neither were unique.

Most people I've talked to say Nintendo had the best show. Anecdotal evidence but I agree with those people. Super Mario Odyssey alone is better than anything that was in Sony's rehashed, Naughty Dog-clone filled presser or MS' press conference about 'more power.'

@KratosMD
God of War, Days Gone and Uncharted might as well all be the same thing. Sony used to have variety, looking at its first party now, outside of Japan Studio, they are turning all their games into clones of what ND does. The Mario games have the same basic formula but the games have all felt different enough. Kirby, Donkey Kong and Yoshi don't play the same, Zelda is Zelda. I'll take what Nintendo had on offer this E3 over all the upcoming Sony exclusives except The Last of Us Part II and Spider-Man. Those are the only two that standout because they don't look like the exact same game. Insomniac has its style, ND has its style and there's no copy and pasting. I'm not trying to make anybody agree with me and I'm assuming most here won't but as much as I like the ND style, I don't like that Bend, Santa Monica and other studios who used to have their own identities are now copying that. The new God of War does not look like God of War at all and Days Gone might as well be an expansion for The Last of Us.

An action-adventure hack&slash game set in Norse mythology, an open-world survival horror game set in a post-apocalyptic world and an narrative-driven Indiana Jones-esque adventure game. But they're all the same.

@Octane
I'm talking from the gameplay perspective. All look the same to me. God of War certainly doesn't resemble the fast paced hack and slash it used to be.

I don't think Nintendo "won" E3 at all. It was a smoke and mirrors Direct, and a fairly successful one. I was out of my chair excited as all hell when Metroid Prime 4 popped up on screen but it was two words and a number and nothing more. A Pokémon game is coming, too, as if that's a surprise to anyone. It was announcements of games coming in the far flung future to distract everybody from the fact that they have very little of any consequence coming any time soon.

Yeah, Splatoon 2, Super Mario Odyssey and Xenoblade, all coming this year is of very little consequence. LOL. And isn't it just a little hypocritical from the Sony side of things to be telling others they aren't allowed to get excited for something that is years away considering damn near every PS4 exclusive has been announced about two years prior, not to mention we have no idea when the hell FF VII or Shenmue will be released?

1 Nintendo game a month...."drought". Youd be saying its a drought if it was 4 games from them in first party terms per month,

I'm with @Gamer83 on this, and it was mentioned in an article here too.

How the hell can you sit and say Nintendo was all smoke and mirrors when Sony has announced a damn kickstarter on their stage.

@KratosMD From launch of the Switch right through to the holiday season this year, I meant. 2016 was bad yes. 2017 from March, has not. And if they show us whats coming in the future, then great.

But you cant say Nintendo was all bad because its "smoke and mirrors" without doing the same for Sony's 2015.

And wake up? How about you let me enjoy what the hell I want to enjoy huh?

@KratosMD
The Wii U was garbage, no doubt. The console poorly conceived (I said it from the beginning as somebody who thought the original Wii was a very good console) and the games, aside from a few, very meh. But the Switch has been different. Zelda and Mario Kart 8 (people here are hyping Crash, so Mario Kart 8 counts on the Nintendo side) in the first two months of the system. Arms - which is scoring better than I believe any Sony AAA exclusive outside of inFamous: Second Son scored in the PS4's first year - is due out very soon and then you have Splatoon 2, Super Mario Odyssey and Xenoblade 2. You can downplay it all you want, that's a better first 9 months than the first 12 months PS4 or Xbox One had and there's been a lot of enthusiasm around the system. You don't have to like what Nintendo offers, that's fine, but I don't see a dark ages 2.0 happening.

Three big exclusives for the rest of the year would be great for Sony or Microsoft, who balance out their release schedules with a plethora of third party titles. Three big exclusives when you have nothing else is worrying. Besides, the point was discussing "winning" E3, and we knew about all those games prior to the convention. What I was saying was that this Direct was an act of misdirection - it was like bringing on the beautiful assistant to draw the eye away from the sleight of hand of the magician. Sony pulled off a similar feat in 2015.

Nobody remembers that in 2015, Microsoft had a great conference. Nobody remembered that the day after they held it. You know why? Because Sony rocked up and said FINAL FANTASY VII, THE LAST GUARDIAN, SHENMUE III and everybody lost their minds.

Two years later, and one of those games came out six months ago, and the other two sound as if they're barely started. They "won" E3 by making us forget that they had no first party exclusives coming out for the rest of the year, and got us to pay attention to games that would be coming two, three, four, god knows how many years down the line. I called it out at the time but nobody listened because they were all too busy erecting shrines to Cloud Strife.

That's 2017 Nintendo. Yeah, we were all very excited about Metroid Prime 4. I'm even more excited about Pokemon. But if I'd thrown money at a Switch, I'd be more concerned about what I'm going to play on it before 2019.

Kirby and Yoshi of course!

@johncalmc Yeah, sure. Three big exclusives are all that's coming to the Switch this year. No other big exclusives (Mario+Rabbids, FE Warriors). No weekly release of eshop games. No notable third party releases (Rocket League, Redout, FIFA, Skyrim, etc.)

The fact of the matter is that Nintendo's system is the only one that has consistently great software releasing on it before 2018. Every month, in fact. It's awesome. I hope Nintendo can keep it up, because it's building momentum (or, as much momentum as you can build when your console is still hard to get).

Almost the entirety of 2017 feels for me, as a Switch owner, like the first quarter of 2017 did for PS4 owners. Great game after great game after great game.

^ It's surely reductive to say that three big exclusives are all that is coming to the Switch this year but the other games are kind of interesting, not really system sellers. Mario+Rabbids and a Warrior game are big exclusives? I'd pay not to have Rabbids in my game ever...

@Ralizah Perhaps I should have been less literal when I phrased that. I don't mean that's all that's coming. I mean that there isn't much in the way of marquee titles. Even Xenoblade isn't, really. Mario, sure. Splatoon and Xenoblade, not quite so much. Beyond that?

Fire Emblem is niche, Warriors is niche, and a mash up between them is, well, niche. Mario/Rabbids could be a winner... I guess. FIFA is the watered down version, Rocket League has been released on every other console already, and Skyrim is five years old.

It's nice to see people happy with their Switch's, but on a wider scale - I'm talking mass market - you can surely see how a lot of people think the line-up is sparse. On a personal level, Xenoblade Chronicles was my favourite RPG of the Wii generation - I know that's not tough, but it was an amazing game - and I'm super excited for 2. I'm as excited about Pokemon as anyone. But I can't look at what they have for this console and say, sure, these are killer apps. Third party support is super weak right now.