Topic: Nintendo Switch --OT--

I hate the fact there are some developers still treat Nintendo Switch like a trash by releasing their games in code in box / streaming only / partial download for Switch version but full game in disc for PlayStation and XBOX version.
If they don't want the Switch version then don't release their games on Switch with code in box or streaming only or partial download.
That's a direct insult toward gamers.

@Anti-Matter Blame Nintendo for their expensive cartridges. Third-party developers shouldn't be expected to pick up the slack on costs associated with the storage format.

@Ralizah Honestly though, they can't be that much that it would literally kill their profits of the games. That's basically the publisher literally smacking fans in the face presenting a digital code as a physical copy, especially when you may not know it ahead of time. If that's the case, then just release it digitally and it would be less of an issue.

Nintendo's greed seems to be at an all time high though with the Switch's success though unfortunately.

I will say one thing though, @Anti-Matter, Xbox wasn't the best example. So many of their physical copies are basically coasters that include a small fraction of a game even when it's a small game that could easily fit on a Blu-ray. That and Microsoft's refusal to use UHD discs like Sony has done with the PS5 make owning physical copes on the Series X a complete waste far too often.

@KilloWertz I'm pretty sure games have large messages on the box when partial or complete downloads are required, so it's not really a matter of tricking consumers. They just don't want to shave their profit margins to accommodate a (vocal) minority of consumers.

shrug

Most of the time, there's a small cartridge with some data on it, which should at least preserve the resell value of the game, since the license is still tied to the cartridge.

It's not really an issue I run into very often, since Nintendo and several Japanese third-parties typically ship their games with extremely up to date builds (the exception being live servicey stuff like Splatoon). Aside from Capcom, the primary offenders are Western publishers, and Western AAA multiplats typically aren't attractive purchases on the system anyway.

@KilloWertz
I heard Microsoft set very high minimum number of copies for physical copies XBOX ONE games for 3rd party developers so I keep finding the PS4 and Switch games get physical copies from normal release and limited run release but never get physical copies for XBOX ONE version.
Also, are mostly XBOX ONE and Series X games using normal Blu Ray disc instead of UHD Blu Ray disc ?

@Ralizah
I think the practice of code in box, streaming only, partial download remind me the similar situation of PS1 vs N64 or PS2 vs Gamecube.
Nintendo still being least favorite choice for 3rd party developers either the fault from Nintendo itself for not providing adequate specs or there was a fate just like I watched from Mario movie, Nintendo was a joke for certain peoples or certain developers so some peoples gave indifferent treatment toward Nintendo.

@Anti-Matter It's not indifference. Everyone wants to be on Switch now, because software is selling extremely well. These companies are simply cheap and want to maximize profit margins. As long as they can opt for a tiny cartridge that'll shave cents on the manufacturing of each physical copy of a game, they're going to do so. It is what it is. Nintendo could probably take the hit on cartridge prices to incentivize publishers to include the entire game for larger titles that require more storage, but this probably isn't a big enough problem that it would be worth making less profit themselves.

I am curious what games on Switch you're running into issues with. You primarily play casual fare and shovelware. Those games shouldn't be requiring huge downloads.

@Ralizah
"I am curious what games on Switch you're running into issues with. You primarily play casual fare and shovelware. Those games shouldn't be requiring huge downloads.

Well, I played 3rd party games by Outright Games like Transformers Battleground, My Little Pony, Paw Patrol games, Race with Ryan, Crayola Scoot, Dreamworks Dragons Dawn of New Riders, Ice Age, etc.
I also play My Universe games, Youtubers Life 2, Epic Chef, Dodgeball Academia, Adam's Venture Origin, Mega Party a tootuff adventure, Nexomon + Nexomon Extinction, etc. A lot of unpopular games.
I played those games on PS4, not on Switch since I knew those 3rd party games have better performance on PlayStation version than Switch version, especially games by Outright Games that oftenly have the worst performance on Switch version than the PS4 / PS5 and XBOX version.

I have these games on Switch such as Summer in Mara, Lost Sphear, Dragon Quest Builders 1 & 2, Portal Knights, Youtubers Life 2, etc but they have worse performance (30 fps) than PS4 version (60 fps) and it made me think those games are better played on PS4 rather than keep pursuing the portability from Switch but have to sacrifice the performance a lot.
And since then, I have decided to pick the PS4 / PS5 version for multi console release 3rd party games and for Switch, I will pick 1st party Nintendo games + 3rd party exclusives on Switch (games by Nippon Columbia) + 3rd party remastered from other Nintendo machines (Go Vacation, Dokapon Kingdom)

Finally finished Prime Remastered up tonight! Final boss was tough, but luckily I managed to beat it my first time (glad too, as it's long winded enough that it probably would have been more demoralizing to have to retry rather than being a "just one more try" type of feeling). Anyhow, I cleared it with an 88% completion.

Overall I think I prefer the (newer) 2D games with how they've been evolving to have a quick paced action feel rather than the more strategic angle this has (what with the more puzzle like combat requiring you to swap visors & beams), but I can totally understand why it has the reputation it does. It's quite frankly amazing how they pretty much nailed the transition to 3D on the first go, especially since Super is arguably really the only solid example of the formula to release before it.

@Ralizah Ok, that's not quite as bad then. I didn't really know as I haven't bought much for the Switch since I don't use it much anymore.

True, I will give Nintendo credit for that. When I bought Breath of the Wild many months ago, I didn't need to download a patch. I expected to since I knew it had patches released for it, but it was up to date.

@Anti-Matter If you mean the earlier games that released with both versions listed on the case as opposed to ones now that release with two separate physical versions, then yes. I understand why those were Blu-ray discs and not UHD ones since obviously the Xbox One doesn't have a UHD drive, but if any games now that are just Series X versions don't release on a UHD disc, there's no excuse. I can't confirm that every Series X game now only releases on a Blu-ray disc as I don't buy games for it anymore, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was true.

Man, Atari 50 is just so good isn’t it? I’m way too young for the nostalgia aspect but these games are so incredibly well designed and the museum presentation is fascinating. The reimagined games are great too! Going through my Switch backlog so got Tunic and Metroid Prime up next.

These new Megaman games for this collection, what like... are they? I've been trying to google it and can't much of an answer. Are they like turn based JRPGs or real time action games?

Played Pokémon Stadium on the N64 app yesterday with some friends. We started it up primarily for the mini-games and they were quite lousy. Out of the 9, only a few were compelling to play. So we switched to multiplayer battles instead and that was more fun. I don't think I'll be personally playing more of this game even though I love Pokémon. It just isn't doing it for me.

We switched then to the mini-games on Kirby 64 and they're so much more fun than the ones on Pokémon Stadium. We literally played the same two mini-games for an entire hour lol. They're just so good!

We'll probably play some Goldeneye multiplayer next weekend. I find it genuinely awesome that I can experience the multiplayer goodness of the N64 era online with my friends since I didn't grow up with games from that period. Definitely looking forward to more titles being added, such as Pokémon Stadium 2 and Mario Party 3. Who knows, maybe they'll even add Diddy Kong Racing!

Metroid Prime Remastered is about as close to perfect as possible. Really quite an impressive leap graphically and I still think the original looks great, and every control scheme works. My personal favourite is MP2 so fingers crossed!

I just got to the thermal visor part for the first time and I hate it

@nessisonett I really need to play Metroid Prime 2. I have it on the GameCube and Wii, but never touched it. I've actually played Prime 1 a few times (the biggest reason I skipped the Switch remaster), but just never felt particularly compelled to move on to the sequels for some reason.

@Ralizah MP2 is one of those games that gets a bad rap for being flawed and yeah, it can be a little messy but I love the more foreboding atmosphere and it has a great central mechanic. The underwater section can do one though. I played 3 when it came out and I remember thinking that I had absolutely no idea what to think. It’s a really strange game with incredible highs and horrifically time-consuming roadblocks. Playing MP:R tonight, I made the stupid mistake of jumping down after getting the energy tank above the wall in Chozo Ruins which meant I had about a 2 minute trek to the elevator. In MP3, you have to trek between multiple planets which is as slow as it sounds. Plus the motion controls for controlling switches and your ship are just plain unresponsive. I’d say it would benefit the most from a remaster. QOL changes in Prime basically refine a diamond into a shinier diamond but I think the other two would be received better than originally.

I forgot about the best part of 3, the grappling hook used the often under-utilised Nunchuck motion controls and it feels incredible. Ripping Space Pirates’ armour off never gets old.

@nessisonett lol I didn't even know the nunchuk had motion controls built in.

It's just hard to escape the feeling that MP2 is "Dark World: The Game," and MP3 just reminded me of Halo or something.

Actually, I still need to play Other M as well. I'm majorly slacking on my Wii backlog.

I want to 100% Super Mario Galaxy 2, but sort of dropped it after beating the game. Those games really are just vastly more enjoyable on Switch for me.

Has anyone on here played Metro Prime Remastered, who has no experience of the original? The couple of people that I know kind of struggled enjoying it due to the limited saving and checkpoints. It has made me think twice about getting it.

@JohnnyShoulder Oddly enough, @nessisonnett and I were talking about it in the "not PS4 games" topic the other day. He loved it and I think it's a masterpiece - I don't throw that word around lightly, either.

@JohnnyShoulder The checkpointing is just like any other Metroidvania, it encourages careful exploration. I’ve never really had a problem with the save system, if you’re a bit worried then you can run for a save room and boss rooms are fairly telegraphed. It’s one of the most acclaimed games of all time for a reason, best you try it for yourself!