@johncalmc@kyleforrester87 Nah, as soon as you get stuck into Mario it will all make sense and the wedding seem far away and unimportant. Yes, I really like this Mario game.
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@Splat I'm not big on hand held gaming either, it's was fun on the game boy but playing games like Uncharted on Vita I'm left thinking it would have just been so much better on the big screen running on a PS4.
Still I might prefer the docked mode on the Switch just because the screens smaller.. I'm kinda worried about what those jaggies will look like on the big screen having gotten used to my PS4 Pro..
So to join in the party I just ordered a Switch with Mario Thought twice about Zelda for now, I'll get my monies worth out of Mario and get Zelda in a month or so. Will see how I get on without the Pro controller for now, too.
First new Nintendo console (not handheld) I've bought since the N64. I normally get them second hand!
@johncalmc@kyleforrester87 Congrats on the purchases. As someone who's not big on 3D Mario games I can saying owning a Switch just for Super Mario Odyssey is not a bad thing. I am even enjoying SMO more then Zelda to be honest.
@Splat Don't let not using the Switch as a handhold deter you from getting one. I am not big on hand held gaming either and haved used my Switch in dock mode 99% of the time. The one time I used it as a handheld I did just to see how it was. It wasn't bad mind you just again I am not a handheld gamer.
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Welcome to the club. If you plan on playing more in tv mode than handheld, you'll want that pro controller at some point (probably the best controller Nintendo has ever made).
@Tasuki@Gamer83 Thanks, hopefully it's worthwhile. It's funny because I'm not a big Mario fan by any stretch but it looks fun and I can't ignore a game scoring so well (even if I do think it's probably been over hyped a bit!!)
As for the Pro pad I'll see how it goes, I'd like to give the Joycons a run for their money first but will certainly upgrade if they don't work out for me.
I really hope there are 5 solid games that appeal to me on the system by the end of 2018..
@KirbyTheVampire Hey, Project Octopath Traveler does look good. I remember seeing that a while ago. Pretty stoked I will get to play it now! Is the demo out now on the store? Did you like it?
@kyleforrester87 Ever played Metroid Prime? I don't think that's a 2018 game unfortunately, but if it's anything like the first one, it's going to be good.
@kyleforrester87 Yeah, the demo is out, and I enjoyed it. It's a little different from what I'm used to, since I've never really played old school RPGs and that's clearly what Octopath is inspired by, but I could see it being a lot of fun for those who like the genre. The game is gorgeous, too.
I nearly broke my Switch twice within the first ten minutes.
Super Mario Odyssey is great. But I can't help but notice how not great it is graphically. It's really annoying me, actually. As somebody that will get zero enjoyment out of the portability of the system, it irks me that they had to sacrifice power to include that, and HD rumble, and other pointless stuff I couldn't give a fig about in order to keep costs down.
On the plus side, the system isn't as hilariously backward as usual for Nintendo. And the Pro Controller is positively great. The UI is simple and clean and just fine. I'm partly impressed with the Switch, and partly annoyed that it could be much better if wacky ol' Nintendo didn't have to be wacky ol' Nintendo and they just built a console like everyone else, without the superfluous gimmicks.
Oh, and I wish they'd stop shoe horning motion controls into otherwise wonderful games. Yes, I love throwing my magical hat in Mario. Oh, there's a homing magical hat move for if I miss? Lovely stuff. Perhaps map that to the right trigger? "No," says Nintendo. "You must wave your controller around like a drowning gibbon."
@kyleforrester87 I've actually not even tried it in handheld mode yet. I just stuck it under my telly and it's been there ever since.
Pro tip #1: If you're trying to remove the Joy-Cons from the screen you need to press a little button the back on each controller. I nearly snapped mine trying to get them off before I realised that.
Pro tip #2: When the Switch is in the dock it's not really held in place by anything. So, you know, don't tip it upside down like I did.
@johncalmc It doesn't look that bad compared to similar games, like Tearaway or Gravity Rush, on the PS4. The game's not 1080p, but it is 60fps, so there's that too.
The issue is that whenever Nintendo makes a console like the others, it doesn't sell. And as much as I would love that too, they'd fine a way to screw themselves over in the end. They're never going to abandon their handheld department, so this is the best compromise we can get I think. At least they can now focus all their efforts on one machine, and we don't have to buy two anymore. I think they're a bit early with the concept (like they were with the Virtual Boy), but when everything is all 4K in about ten years, it doesn't really matter anymore if we're playing on a ''gimped'' handheld, or the all-new 8K machine. I doubt you could tell the difference at that point.
@Octane They haven't really tried for generations, though. Every console they've made since the SNES has been marred by catastrophic hardware design decisions that have crippled the potential of the systems. N64 stuck with cartridges and lost loads of high profile games to PlayStation. GameCube used a proprietary medium when the world was embracing DVD, and the PS2 was the cheapest DVD player on the market. The Wii sold, but given every Nintendo system fits onto a line of best fit fairly perfectly in that it sells less than the one that came before, I think it's fair to consider that an anomaly. The Wii U was the Wii U.
I don't think for one second that if Nintendo, in 2017, built a hardcore system like a PS4 that it would sell like the PS4. They still wouldn't have as many games. They still wouldn't have third party support. They'd still be miles behind the competition in online stuff. They'd still have the issues they always have.
I just think, for the cost of the system, the trade-off of power for portability seems a high price. Maybe I'm underselling it. I could easily be, because I get absolutely nothing out of it and it's got no appeal to me. But I also don't think that the Switch is selling well because the gimmick is resonating with people. I think it's selling because it's a system with clearer messaging than the Wii U, and the hardcore crowd are picking it up in droves. I would expect once the hardcore have bought theirs, the sales will dry up because I honestly don't think it has much casual appeal, and the software line-up for anybody other than Nintendo fans is pretty weak.
It's all just hypothetical. I don't know better than anyone else. It's just what I think. The Nintendo evangelists are obviously firmly aboard the Switch is the second coming of Christ train right now, but I just think the impressive sales so far are perhaps slightly misleading, and it would be prudent to expect a crash in the coming months.
And so by my logic - which is all just guesswork, really - if the portability of the system isn't really going to drive sales, which I don't think it necessarily will, then losing power for that isn't a good trade.
I think it's unfair to compare Mario to Gravity Rush 2, though. Yes, they look similar, but Mario Odyssey is probably the most high profile game Switch will ever have. Gravity Rush 2 is a C-tier Sony game. I'm not really a graphics guy at all, and even I noticed that Mario looks pretty old. And that's sad.
Still, other than the graphical heft of the system being pretty lame, I'm actually fairly impressed with the hardware. It doesn't look like an iPad that came out of a Christmas cracker, which was always a big problem with the Wii U, and the UI and everything actually looks quite slick and modern. I knew what I was getting into when I bought it, and so as long as you go in with realistic expectations for what you'll get out of a Nintendo system these days I think you're fine.
@johncalmc I think that's why I mostly consider it a handheld, because it's essentially a handheld with an HDMI cable (clockspeed increases when docked, but it's mostly an empty shell). And for a handheld, it's impressive. Probably the most up-to-date handheld we've ever seen compared to home consoles. I think that also explains the price tag. Their handhelds have always sold fairly well, so I think the Switch will do fine in the long run, especially since it has a wider appeal than any of their previous handhelds; It's the first one that plays games on the TV out of the box, and it passable as a home console.
For Nintendo to sell a successful home console, a lot needs to happen. Excluding the Wii, the GameCube and Wii U weren't big sellers. That alone tells me that the people looking for a Nintendo experience on the TV is pretty small (a shame IMO). I think that releasing a new home console would pose all kinds of other problems, even if they fix their online. PlayStation has a big name, it's the go-to console since the PS1, even the PS3 managed to turn things around. It'll take several home consoles for Nintendo to reach the same heights. A futile strategy at this point IMO. Like I said, I think – provided we will still be playing on dedicated hardware in 10+ years from now – every device is going to be portable to some degree. Because at some point, more powerful hardware will be meaningless if you can't tell the difference, and if developing a game that makes use of the extra horsepower becomes too expensive to develop in the first place. Might as well make your devices smaller (& portable).
Anyway, we shall see how well it sells. I think that if enough ''core'' people jump on it, the masses will follow. I just hope Nintendo can keep up their software output, because they've had a fantastic year so far, but I can't foresee the same calibre games releasing every year (a new Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, a new IP and a Mario Kart).
The biggest problem will be how third parties are going to approach the system. Most third party games require a download to be playable, since they all opt for the smaller game cards. And the system only comes with 32GB. I think that's going to hurt sales.
@Octane I think that's probably wise, actually. If I were Nintendo, I would have marketed it as the most powerful handheld console ever made. Instead, it's the most-expensive, obviously weakest home console on the market - a market which will likely be moving into a new generation within the next couple of years. If you consider it to be a handheld then you're probably well happy with it. As a home console gamer - I've got a Vita and nearly always play it sat on my couch wishing it hooked up to my TV so I could play Persona 4 Golden on the telly - it's a bit lame in some areas.
But then I knew when I bought it that this would be my Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon machine, and pretty much anything else I play is a bonus.
@johncalmc The versatility of the system isn't a "superfluous gimmick," it's the reason it's the hottest gaming system on the market right now. User data obtained from Nintendo proves this point: people like to use it primarily as a hybrid, both on and off the TV. It's a revolution in terms of accessibility. That's worth a lot more to me than a boring box that tethers me to my TV when I play.
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