Topic: Super Mario Odyssey -OT-

That's what I'm kinda doing. I'm just going around and doing a little exploration, and doing all the ones where there's a level attached to finding the moon, and then moving on. I'm not spending hours hunting for them all. I'm just hitting the road once I'm tired of a stage.

@johncalmc good job for you that the game doesn't have trophies then haha

@kyleforrester87 Well, to be fair, I enjoy trophies so I'd be more inclined to search for all the stupid moons if there were trophies attached to them. But then also I'd just be wasting even more of my life for digital awards that are worth precisely nothing, so I guess it's a blessing. One day, when Nintendo go third party, I'll get all the moons for the trophies. Until that day, I'll abandon the game once I'm bored of it. Fortunately, there's still plenty of life left in it. I just happened upon one of my favourite stages in the entire game by chance, so there could be more lurking out there.

@johncalmc One day when Nintendo goes third party? Err...alright then. Glad to see the internet has gone back there again.

Ive finally finished the game by getting the last few costumes. Know what you get? Nothing. Except the satisfaction that your grinded up 9999 coins for the comedy of being a skeleton jumping out of something.

@BLP_Software Well, I just think they probably will eventually. Not a certainty by any means, I just think it's a little more likely that they will than they won't.

And the comedy skeleton outfit seems totally worth it.

@johncalmc Microsoft is gonna go first bud. Not because they are failing but because they gain nothing from consoles now.

Nintendo...yeah in about 50 years maybe. Maybe a bit more or less. When the money runs out.

As for the comedy skeleton costume its great terrifying Goombette with it. Thats about it really.

@BLP_Software I think Microsoft will go first too. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Sony was the only game in town with another competitor we don't currently have. I've been saying it for years that I don't believe that Microsoft will be long for the console industry. I think they'll change Xbox to be a service available on other platforms. Xbox just loses them money, and since gaming is a small part of the Microsoft family I think they'll make the decision to axe it sooner rather than later.

With Nintendo, it's different because gaming is all they really do. There'll be a graph somewhere at Nintendo HQ that shows how badly their hardware needs to do before they'd be better off as a third party developer. And maybe it'll cross that threshold and they'll do it. The sales of their hardware has been trending downward for decades, and even the staunchest Nintendo defender can see how much more dollar a game like Mario Kart 8 - a game with a mind-boggling 50% attach rate on Wii U - would have made if it weren't manacled to a system like Wii U.

Nintendo are traditionally quite conservative and quite proud, so that's what, more than anything, I think would stop them pulling the plug and going third party even if their profits did cross the line on that hypothetical graph.

Still, I'd say 55-45 in favour of them going third party one day.

@johncalmc Yeah but the Switch is set to break that trend. Unless something happens and the sales fall below Wii U for the next 5 years.

And Xbox, funnily enough if you look at why it's called that, explains why Microsoft would leave the market: DirectXBox. It was a way to push Windows and Direct X. And they don't need to anymore. So why do it?

To be honest with you I see Nintendo lasting the longest, as look at Sony. If Microsoft falls to the side, they'd need a new more direct competitor. But someone new wouldn't phase them. They can just price them out of the market. And looking at how Sony must be feeling right now with record profits from PlayStation, without a competitor to keep them in check, it'll be 2006 all over again after the PS4 is said and done, we both know that.

And with regards to Sony, sure, gaming is all Nintendo does, but Sony does more than just gaming, and how much of that really helps their bottom line? Insurance, probably. TVs? Nope. Phones? Nope. Laptops? Gone. Bluray players? Maybe.

If Sony didn't have PlayStation right now, you know the exact position they'd be in: And it isn't pretty. But if Microsoft goes, who keeps them from doing what they did with the PS3 and getting away with it? Who stops them doing an Xbox One? Look at their attitude now. They won't do things because it doesn't benefit them. It doesn't make them money that they don't need. Why do cross-play when you have no reason to in the lead? Why allow EA Access when PSN makes bank? The list goes on.

And without Microsoft, and Sony laughing off Nintendo, who would they have to compete with? It'd become incredibly anti-consumer so incredibly fast: The PS3 launch shows how willing Sony is to do that move.

Hell even recently Sony's Jim Ryan (Who really needs to shut up) said as much that the EU is Fortress PlayStation and they won't allow anyone to even encroach on that market share, which in some countries is 90%. Without competition, they will become a monopoly, and we know what the EU does to those if they go against the consumer and consumer choice.

@BLP_Software Sony would be goosed without PlayStation, and on paper their company is in the weakest position. So if PlayStation goes on a downward spiral then that could really spell trouble for them. On the plus side, it's all looking kinda healthy for everyone involved right now so hopefully that continues. The best thing for everyone is a vibrant market.

As for Mario, I still have legions of these moons to get before I unlock the next kingdom. I don't think I'm going to get all 999 but then I'm not bored of it yet so who knows. Although I do have Zelda to start once I'm done so that might catch my eye sooner rather than later.

@johncalmc On paper Sony is in the weakest position.

It's interesting: Nintendo has only one main sector, Microsoft has no need to make consoles as the rest of their business is killing it, and Sony has the rest of the business being propped up by PlayStation.

As for Odyssey, I got 100%, I'm happy. I reviewed it. It went down well. You unlock every Kingdom by 500, 880 total without needing the start buying them in bulk post-game from stores. But the neat thing about that is, you can just buy a Moon you have trouble getting. It doesn't tick it off your list or count to completion, but for 100 coins you effectively pass on it.

Nintendo going third party is an idea utterly at odds with reality. Actually, last I heard, they're actually worth slightly more than the entirety of Sony.

And Sony is definitely in the weakest position, given the fact that they're entirely leaning on their Playstation division at this point and are so reliant on the support of third party software. If there's another crash, Sony will go down in flames. Unlike Nintendo, they have no room for failure of any sort.

And, anyway, even if the unthinkable happened and Nintendo couldn't survive as an independent manufacturer any more, they'd just go back into toys or something. Nintendo existed before video games, and they'll exist after (if there is, indeed, ever an "after").

Few more pics that I liked!

Why is Stephen King's It coming to mind?

Anyway, great screenshots! Love the creativity.

@Ralizah Aha yeah that's what I thought. Creepy!

You'll float too.

_{Please don't derail the thread, this is for discussing Super Mario Odyssey. Thanks for understanding -Tasuki-}

Just finished Mario, kind of rushed the last few worlds because I wanted to see the ending and unlock the end game stuff. The ending was fun!

Ok guys let's get this thread back on track anymore derailments and I will have to close the thread down and really I don't want to do that. This thread is for discussing Super Mario Odyssey not discussing MS, Sony who's leaving the gaming market etc.

Thanks for understanding

Anyway got back to this game for a bit longer then 20 minutes, thank you WWII, so I finished up the desert level at least for now. There's a few moons to grab but I can't see how I get them for now. Got a few more costumes for Mario and moved on to Lake World, or whatever its called.

@kyleforrester87 I didn't care for the ending, personally, but I love how much stuff gets unlocked in the post-game. There's SO MUCH game left once you beat the story.

@Ralizah It wasn't amazing or anything but the last possession was cool and the music was fun.