Topic: User Impressions/Reviews Thread

Super Mario Sunshine HD Remaster (via the Super Mario 3D All-Stars package)

Platform: Nintendo Switch

Completion status: 120 shine sprites and 240 blue coins; a 100% run, as far as I can tell

Super Mario Sunshine (henceforth SMS), originally released worldwide for the Nintendo GameCube in 2002, has always occupied an awkward space in the series. Released as a platform exclusive on one of Nintendo's lower selling consoles, the game itself never saw a re-release or remake until now (unlike the other two games in this collection: Mario 64 has enjoyed re-releases on Wii and Wii U, as well as a full remake on Nintendo DS; the far more recently Super Mario Galaxy has, itself, been re-released on the Wii U) and has long suffered with the reputation of being the black sheep of the series, whose odd design choices and reported glitchiness made it unworthy of being talked about in the same lofty tone as the (almost) universally acclaimed Super Mario 64. I myself played it in the early-to-mid 2010's and enjoyed myself at the time, but never fully completed it (collected all the shine sprites, I mean; I, of course, beat the game). I thought it would be fun to continue my collectionist streak with this game and see what I think about it years on in its new HD remastered form.

SMS is, no doubt, a very unusual game in the series. It begins with a fully animated cutscene of Mario, Peach, and her trusted steward Toadsworth (who I previously encountered in Paper Mario: TTYD, also on GameCube) flying to the Isle Delfino to enjoy a vacation. When they arrive there, though, they discover that a mysterious, shadowy entity shaped like Mario, known as Shadow Mario, has used a magic paintbrush to defile the island with goop. This defacement is so profound that the Isle's guardians, the shine sprites (sort of a living power source), have retreated to various parts of the island, throwing the lives of the local Pianta people into havoc. Mario is locked in a jail, sentenced by a local court for Shadow Mario's crimes, and then sentenced to clean up all the goop that ruined the natural beauty of the Isle Delfino. Thankfully, Mario has the aid of the FLUDD, or Flash Liquidizer Ultra Dousing Device, an apparently sapient device that Mario wears on his back and uses to manipulate the power of water.

Although there are multiple kidnapping attempts through this game (life must be hell for the Mushroom Kingdom princess), the most apparent distinction from older Super Mario games can immediately be seen: while still light on plot, it has an actual narrative. This is all fairly rudimentary, of course, and the bulk of the game's storytelling happens at the very start, but after Super Mario 64 (the plot of which can be summarized as "Peach invites Mario to her castle for 'cake' before getting kidnapped"), it's nice to have some narrative grounding to enjoy. The game actually has around 14 minutes of cutscenes! There are some minor plot twists related to the Shadow Mario villain as well.

The cutscene that opens the game is actually rather surprising, because this is one of the few Super Mario games where characters actually verbally talk to one-another. It might seem funny to non-Nintendo fans, but when Mario characters are prone to only uttering a few, very basic voice clips over and over, it's rather shocking to hear them speak in complete sentences. Mario himself is exempt from this, unfortunately. The cutscenes also have a cinematic quality to them that was surprising when I first played it as well.

The naturalistic quality of the presentation extends to the level design. Everything feels very... organic in SMS, especially coming from the very abstract levels in 64. Like that game, Mario returns to a hub world that connects him to various levels where he will need to complete various tasks to find and return the Shine Sprites. The hub, Delfino Plaza, is large, open, and fairly dense, with various buildings to enter, ports, beaches, fruit vendors, towers, and nearby islands to explore. Most of Delfino Plaza's secrets can be unlocked as the player unlocks upgrades to their FLUDD, with a few being locked by story progression.

The levels themselves also follow this trend insofar as they're all just different parts of Isle Delfino. As such, the entire game is steeped in a tropical/beach theme, which some might find tiring, but I actually really enjoyed how the world in this game felt coherent and less explicitly gamey than in other Mario titles. It also allows for unique level themes I've not seen in other Mario games, as he explores sea ports, large beaches, hotels, theme parks, and so on. The crucial thing is that all of these locations feel like they could reasonably be in the same broad landmass, and it brings a sense of cohesion to the adventure.

One of the immediately controversial aspects of this game has always been how dependent Mario's moveset is on the FLUDD. Sans Mario's creepy talking water backpack, a few things have changed about his moveset: the long jump is gone, as is the (pointless) punching, kicking, and crawling. In their place is the spin jump, which allows Mario to go spinning up in the air, allowing for greater verticality than the usual jumping movement. Most other movements from Mario 64, such as the triple jump, backflip, etc. are still here. With that said, on his lonesome, Mario feels a little bit gimped with his long jump, which is an issue during challenge levels (more on that in a bit). Thankfully, the FLUDD is available during the majority of the game, and it adds tremendously to Mario's versatility of movement. The FLUDD comes by default with the hover nozzle, which allows him to shoot water at the ground and keep him suspended in the air for a short period of time. Nozzles unlocked throughout the game will give him a high-speed dash (which he can use to cover large distances quickly, as well as smash into doors to access secrets) and the ability to rocket high up into the air. Additionally, Mario can shoot water out of the nozzle at enemies, which tends to be tremendously helpful during the game's boss encounters (which are much more frequent than they were in Mario 64, thankfully). He can also shoot water at his environment. One tremendously helpful move is to shoot water at the ground and then to immediately send Mario into a dive, which allows him to slide large distances on his tummy. It can take a bit of getting used to coming off of other Mario games, but the FLUDD really does add a tremendous amount of freedom to Mario's moveset when it's combined with normal Mario platforming, which is often necessary to find some the VERY hidden collectibles in this game.

Nozzle upgrades become available throughout the game as the player advances the plot by completing various episodes in each world. The more plot-driven nature of this game means that, unlike Mario 64, the player is basically required to engage with almost all of the game's levels before they can head to the final boss confrontation. This sensibility feeds into the design of the hub level as well, since some levels, and many secret shines available in the hub, aren't accessible until the player is able to use one of the unlockable nozzles, or until a plot event changes in the environment in some way. It's probably worth mentioning that the game has a significantly smaller number of levels to explore versus Super Mario 64 (7 levels with 8 main episodes each, versus 64's 15 worlds with 6 episodes each), which might have motivated the move away from player freedom in this regard. I definitely think I prefer SMS's approach to content, however: while it has fewer environments to explore, and fewer episodes overall. environments tend to be denser and more thematically engaging. Mario 64 often felt like a level pack to me, with almost no plot progression or sense of continuity between environments.

I mentioned that Mario feels a little gimped without his FLUDD, and that exact aspect of the game crops up every now and then during episodes where Mario is tasked with entering a secret level and retrieving the shine sprite at the end of it. At the beginning of a secret level, Shadow Mario temporarily steals the FLUDD from Mario, forcing the plumber to get by purely on his own ability. These levels are abstract, utterly linear, and focused entirely on platforming across large, rotating shapes and platforms. I believe I mentioned these levels in my review of A Hat in Time, because their design is incredibly similar to the Time Rifts in that game. With that said, it can be easy to become too comfortable with the safety net afforded by Mario's FLUDD (particularly the hover nozzle, which has saved me from certain doom more times than I can count), and you can easily end up feeling incredibly naked and vulnerable without it. They're usually decent challenges, though, and the platforming is never too enraging thanks to the changes in how Mario moves in this game. The horrible little pivot that plagued Mario's turns in Mario 64 is gone. Surfaces are no longer slippery unless you're on a proper incline. Frankly, even without the long jump, Mario is much more of a joy to control in this game, as he feels weightier, and I almost always felt like I was in controls of his movements.

I also want to briefly mention how much better the camera is in this game than in Mario 64. While it still has an unfortunate habit of getting 'stuck' on scenery at times, it still allows the player almost full control of the camera at all times, and, in general is incredibly responsive. It might be a little disappointing in a more modern game, but given the age of the experience, I think it works fairly well.

Before I transition away from talking about the game design, I do want to discuss what is perhaps the most often criticized aspect of this game: the blue coin collectibles. 24 of the shine sprites needed to get to this game's total of 120 are locked behind collectibles Mario will find throughout the various levels called blue coins. There are 30 of these coins in each level, and every 10 of them unlocks a shine sprite. Some of them are easy enough to find, as they're either openly visible and can be found in any of that world's episodes. But a surprisingly large chunk of these coins are an absolute nuisance to find, as their placement is often obnoxiously random (blue coins have popped out of tiny, seemingly ornamental background fixtures that the game provided no reason to interact with, for example, or even just random spots in the environment that are totally unremarkable otherwise) and, even worse, some coins can only be found in certain episodes in a level. Of course, the game doesn't tell you how many coins are in a given episode, which leads to a potentially dreadful amount of tedious trial-and-error gameplay as you hunt around already cleared episodes with no clue at to whether you even have a chance of finding them there. The endgame grind of hunting around for various blue coins is a total drag. I ended up using a guide to find a few that I just could not seem to find anywhere. I recommend others use a guide way sooner if you want to fully complete the game. Or, better yet, don't bother 100%ing the game, as you get nothing for it apart from a different splash screen at the very end of the game.

I feel like my discussion of this game has been broadly positive so far, and, indeed, my experience was broadly positive, but I do want to highlight how infuriating some of the levels in this game are. Beyond Tick Tock Clock-levels of infuriating, frankly. During my initial GameCube playthrough, the hidden pachinko machine and lily pad levels were my bugbears (and, indeed, a level where you're on a moving object, are forced to collect red coins, and die the instant you touch any of the water surrounding your tiny lily pad vehicle is still utterly worthy of my scorn), but I was surprised to discover how many of the normal episodes in this game also hinge on design choices that can only be described as ridiculous bullpucky. I'll highlight a handful: two from Gelato Beach and three from Pianta Village.

The first particularly annoying episode in this game, for me, was The Sand Bird is Born, where the player is tasked with entering a special level where they have to platform across an enormous bird made of sand and collect red coins as it passes them. Sounds simple enough, right? Shadow of the Colossus without being able to grab hold of the colossus. Unfortunately, the level is pure misery from beginning to end. Mario is constantly being knocked off-balance by the flapping motions of the bird's wings, and sometimes just by the rocking of its movements in general. So even interacting with the thing normally is annoying. The level becomes particularly dire once the bird decides to start turning mid-air, forcing the player to awkwardly try and hover their way onto the side of the bird, and then back again when the bird repositions itself. Oh, and, as this is happening, the player is forced to try and collect tiny red coins that are easily missable.

Things get worse in The Watermelon Festival, an episode where Mario has to safely push watermelons to a Pianta on a tiny, rickety pier without breaking them. Two things massively complicate this mission. The watermelons themselves control horribly. The player basically has to just barely nudge them in order to maintain any semblance of control over their movements. This is especially fun when you're trying to move them across thin planks of wood and prevent them from falling in the water. What makes this even worse, though, is that the stage is literally riddled with these horrible enemies that all try to send your watermelon flying into the air. The watermelon, of course, breaks upon hitting the ground again. You can spray them with water to very briefly incapacitate them, but you're pretty much surrounded by the horrible things the entire time. And you can also say goodbye to your watermelon if you allow one of them to get too close to you, because they'll send you flying across the stage before also destroying the watermelon you've spent several minutes very deliberately moving across the huge beach. The experience is horrible from beginning to end.

The frustration and anxiety are amped up in an episode titled The Goopy Inferno. In this episode, the entire level of Pianta Village is covered in magma, and the player is forced to try and navigate across and underneath it in order to retrieve their FLUDD after it's again stolen by Shadow Mario. I lost count of how many routes I tried to take before discovering the right path. And once you do, you still have to contend with these horribly grate-climbing sections where you're left defenseless as enemies skitter after you to try and knock you off to your death. You have no recourse against them, and god help you if an enemy in front of you takes any level of interest in Mario, as he's effectively done for at that point, and you have to start over from the very beginning of the level and spend several minutes getting back to where you were previously. I can't count how many times I died in this level, and even going back to it to look for episode-specific blue coins (thanks for that, Nintendo) was pure misery.

I'd also be remiss if I didn't mention the special level in Pianta Village where you have to get chucksters to toss you between tiny platforms. The slightest little change in angle in terms of how Mario is positioned when he talks to one of these jerks is the difference between survival and being tossed into the abyss. Frankly, whether the player gets to the end feels a LOT like luck: if they keep trying their hand at the level enough, EVENTUALLY the chucksters will toss Mario onto the platform where the shine sprite is located.

OK, so that sound intolerable, right? Now imagine that level... but with red coins and a very strict time limit that allows for no mistakes. One of the shine sprites in Pianta Village is locked behind this challenge, and it's every bit as miserable and rage-inducing as it sounds.

Thinking about it, Pianta Village could be removed from the game entirely, as far as I'm concerned. Solidly half the episodes feel poorly-designed, like something out of a rage platformer designed to inflict suffering on the player.

These aren't, for sure, the only annoying bits in this game. I could also mention how, to even get to the secret lily pad level in this game, you're forced to ride a yoshi across a variety of boats in order to get to the island where the level is located (yoshis can't swim, apparently), which means undergoing a profoundly tedious process of spending ten literal minutes largely just waiting for boats to slowly ferry you to other boats. Of course, the boats are small, so if you slip and the yoshi dies near the end of the ride, well, guess what? It's ten more minutes of tedious waiting time for you, buster! Same thing happens if you don't eat enough fruit and your yoshi runs out of energy before you reach the island. I should also mention that, when you lose a yoshi, you also have to repeat the process of getting a yoshi in the first place, which means trudging to the fruit market to find a piece of fruit and then slowly trudging back to where the yoshi egg spawns in Delfino Plaza in order to convince the louse to hatch in the first place. So screwing up even once during this process ends up penalizing you fifteen minutes or so. It's aggravating as hell. Thankfully, I discovered that you can skip a huge portion of this sequence by manipulating some of the glitchy physics in this game.

This theme of not respecting the player's time recurs throughout the game. The Pianta Village level, for example, is an absolute chore to get to, as it requires the player to locate and equip the rocket nozzle before dragging themselves all the way to the top of the town to rocket themselves up toward where the entrance to the level is. While I really like the expansiveness of some of these environments (especially considering how much verticality there is to Mario's platforming this time), it really sucks how much time I had to spend effectively re-treading my steps over and over again.

If my review hasn't provided any indication, the game is a bit weird, but that sometimes works in its favor. I mentioned before that there were more boss encounters in this game than in Mario 64. They're not just more frequent, however, but sometimes wildly creative. I can't think of another Mario game that would have a setpiece where Mario is riding around in a roller-coaster, firing missiles at an enormous, robotic version of Bowser, for example. One boss was repeated too many times, though, and I feel bad every time I beat it. At least three separate times you'll have a face-off against a giant squid called Gooper Blooper. In reality, this thing is usually laying around minding its own business, and, to beat it, the player will have Mario begin savagely ripping its tentacles off one by one before nearly ripping its face off. It's seriously the most grisly, disturbing thing I've ever seen in a Mario game, especially considering the dismembered tentacles will flop around briefly after you rip them off its body. I felt even worse when I was informed that the player can technically defeat Gooper Blooper without slowly, methodically dismembering the poor thing. The game made me think otherwise, however, as the FLUDD effectively instructs Mario to rip its tentacles off before attacking the face. Not cool, Nintendo. Even cartoonish animal cruelty still turns my stomach.

The Super Mario 3D Collection has gotten some flack for being a low-quality set of remasters, and I kind of defended Mario 64 from that charge a bit, but SMS is less defendable. Let me explain.

Image quality-wise, the game looks pretty good on Nintendo Switch. It was always a looker on Gamecube, and the in-game image is being rendered at 720p in portable mode and a crisp 1080p on the TV, respectively, which makes it feel a lot more modern than Mario 64, which caps out at 720p on the TV. Another impressive aspect of the game at the time was how far the draw distance extended: you could climb up on a building and see collectibles pretty far off in the distance, or get a sense of what challenges awaited you before you ever got to them. And those fine details are even easier to spot now given the boost in resolution. Before getting into my complaints, I'd like to note that the art direction still looks fantastic in this game: colors are bold, environments are surprisingly detailed given the age of the game, and the water was and remains flat out gorgeous, which is good, since you'll be seeing a lot of it. I'm not as big of a fan of the Pianta designs, but you certainly can't knock for his game for a lack of visual identity. Every single aspect of this game FEELS tropical.

I do have one big technical gripe with this game, though. Unlike other people, I don't mind so much that this game is running at 30fps, as I figure the game was built with that framerate in mind, and so doesn't really need to be 'fixed' to run at higher framerates. I do expect a smooth framerate in a remaster of an 18-year-old game, though, which makes it frustrating that, just like in the original, the game is constantly chugging in Delfino Plaza. I'm not a framerate snob, but it's distracting when the framerate is dipping into what must be the mid-20s constantly in the hub area. This is, thankfully, less of an issue in other environments, but it's unacceptable given the age of the game, in my opinion.

I'd also like to point out that Nintendo 'fixes' the aspect ratio issue with the in-game cutscenes by cropping and stretching them, which means you're missing out on the outer edge of the image during cutscenes. This is more understandable, though, given it'd be impossible to properly remaster these cutscenes. Nintendo would have to just re-create them for this release.

Musically, while Sunshine isn't exemplary like certain later 3D Mario titles (mainly due to a lack of diversity), its OST is still fun to listen to.

I really like the relaxed tropical vibe of the music that plays in Gelato Beach. It really sells the low-stakes vacationey vibe of the game. This feels like it belongs in a game with the word "sunshine" in the title:

I'm also a big fan of the arrangement of the World 1-1 theme that plays in the secret levels:

While I'm not a fan of the boss music in this game, the music that plays when you fight Mecha-Bowser is OK. Reminds me of something from a Pokemon game, frankly.

Although, arguably my least favorite track in the game is the one that the player will hear the most. I wish Nintendo had opted for a more complex arrangement for the music that plays in Delfino Plaza. It's... a bit repetitive.

I did some complaining, but I did come out the other end of Super Mario Sunshine still really enjoying it for the most part. A handful of its levels are frustrating, but it represents a MASSIVE step up, both technically and artistically, over the painful Super Mario 64. Visually, it still holds up well. The music doesn't make me want to scrub my ears off. The camera works well (mostly). The overall feel of the controls is great. It has more of a sense of narrative and progression to it than the random assortment of worlds in Mario 64. The FLUDD is a lot of fun to control. It's a good time. I'd just recommend ignoring the blue coins and playing the main eight episodes in each level. Not an immortal classic, necessarily, but I'm glad a new generation has the opportunity to experience this.

7.5/10

@RogerRoger Thanks! Yeah, I've noticed that "people praising the inferior original over clearly superior sequels" thing before with a number of properties. In some cases, I think it's down to the original making a bigger impression on release. In other cases, though, I think people just repeat what they hear other people say, sometimes without even realizing they're doing it. Especially with the advent of social media, it's so easy to fall into regimented patterns of thought and judgment without being any the wiser about it. Of course, the risk, as I'm especially sure you're aware, is that pushing back too hard against this can see you being labeled a 'hipster' or 'contrarian.' Thankfully, if the game is good enough, its legacy usually recovers. I'm noticing a lot of "Super Mario Sunshine is pretty good" posts alongside the "Wow, Mario 64 isn't as much fun to play today" posts on various websites.

And yeah, I can't even pretend to hide how much I love to hate Super Mario 64. I did want to make reference to it more heavily in this review given how it was the immediate predecessor to this game, and how its legacy shaped the public reaction to Sunshine, though.

Is your partner not a 3D Mario fan?

@mookysam I've come out the other end of my second run of Sunshine definitely noticing its flaws more. I think that inherently happens when you 100% it, because the blue coin hunt near the end just sucks, but I'd forgotten how frustrating some of those main story episodes are. With that said, I'd probably still place it closer to the top of my 3D Mario ranking than to the bottom. I guess I'm going to revisit and fully complete every 3D Mario game now, though, so it'll be interesting to see how my feelings have changed once the dust settles. I would've put Sunshine over Odyssey before replaying it, but now I'm not so sure.

Nintendo needs to hurry up and port over Galaxy 2 so I can grab some decent screens of it. It's so easy to get good screenshots for my reviews with Switch games compared to any other system I own that I'm just naturally gravitating to that platform most of the time. Also, I need excuses to play stuff with my Pro Controller now that I finally own one.

Looking forward to your review!

@Ralizah Great write up - I got about half way through Sunshine before being distracted but intend to get back to it. Your comments on the sand bird thing made me laugh as it got me sooooo angry. I managed it after countless attempts. Lots of swearing ensued.

@Rudy_Manchego Playing the sand bird aged roughly 3 or 4 was like having my world shattered. Everything is a lie and life is unfair.

@nessisonett Here's the thing - I played it when I was a uni and had lots more spare time and don't remember it or even remember me struggling that much. Then I also recall that I was a borderline alcoholic and also can't remember that much of my Metroid Prime playthrough either.

So what I am trying to say is alcohol help me beat Sand bird. Probably.

@Rudy_Manchego To be fair, I think I would need a crate of Stella to get me through sand bird nowadays. This is why my liver and kidneys don’t let me play Sunshine anymore.

@RogerRoger Another great Sonic review! I've been curious about the Sonic 4 games for years, but the episodic naming structure has always put me off. Although they seem like mostly complete experiences in and of themselves, by the sound of it?

It sounds decent, though. Pity the trilogy will likely never be completed. I like the idea that Tails actually has some utility in game beyond, as you concisely put it, comically dying off-screen. More focus placed on boss battles is a definite improvement as well.

Glad to know I'm not the only person who likes the 'half-pipe' special stages from Sonic 2. It's the only Sonic minigame I've ever consistently enjoyed. The pinball maze thing from the original and that... er... automatic walking ball collecting game from Sonic 3 never appealed to me.

It sounds like you're not as gaga about Sonic Mania as others have been.

Sure. "Other" people.

Hey all - not had a chance to collect my thoughts on games. Had a few formal reviews and also spent a lot of time just picking up unfinished games before next gen lands. However, thought I would add another quick review.

Iron Man VR

Iron Man VR is a Sony exclusive VR title that launched in May this year after a delayed launch window from earlier in the year. As a note, the game requires that you have Move controllers and pretty much that you stand for the duration of the title.

Hmmmm - how did I feel about Iron Man VR? This is a tough one. To give some history - at EGX 2019, back when crowds of people illicited slightly less fear than they do now, I played the Iron Man VR demo at the Sony booth. At the same time, 2 friends also tried it and we all came away liking what we saw. The demo was essentially the training mode at the start of the game, so tutorial on flying and basic combat. All of us got it at launch. However, at this stage, I'm the only one of the three who has seen it through to the end. I think there is a reason for this.

In my opinion, Sony and Insomniac killed it with Marvel's Spiderman on PS4 when launched from a character and world perspective. It had a great approach to the story - the game assumed you knew who Spidey was, how he got his powers and picked up several years down the road. There was little exposition as to who everyone was but ultimately, we didn't need to. If you only saw the movies, you got enough and if you were a fan of the comics, it also nodded in that direction . Iron Man does the same here and it works really well. You know that Tony Stark is a weapons dealer turned super hero who realises what a mistake he made. It assumes you know who Shield are. If you know the Marvel movies, you'll understand. If you know the comics, you'll recognise the additional characters etc.

The story is largely about Tony Stark, several years down the road from becoming Iron Man who is attacked by a nameless 'Ghost' who has turned his old tech against him and comes after his loved ones and livelihood. You suit up on 12 missions + a prologue to follow the story through. I liked the story a lot - some elements were predictable but it takes efforts to have a theme about redemption and mistakes of the past and analyses Tony and his legacy. All good. The dialogue, not so much being very 'video gamey'. The voice acting is good but you know what I mean, the villains spend a lot of time shouting 'you'll never destroy me' followed by 'how are you destroying me?' every few minutes.

Still if you are a fan of the character it presents a nice little story set inside an intersting universe. Most of the game has you inside the suit, using the Move Controllers as your hands and arms. The triggers are your thrusters so you use them to move. Point down, you go up, push behind you, you go forward, hands front push you backwards. If you tilt your head while flying, you can affect direction slightly. As in the films, to use weapons, such as the repulsors, you put your hands up and aim or hands down to fire your heavier weapons. It means flying and combat are a fine balance - focus on shooting with both hands is great but you'll start to fall from the sky. Focusing on thrusters will make you fast but you'll probably just overshoot your target. Your HUD is your mask so you see the view of the world and ammo, direction, enemy tracking and again feels very authentic to the character.

The actual missions, with a few exceptions, are pretty much arena style fights. You fight waves of drones within an 'area', while focusing on mission objectives. It could be to save innocents or open something or whatever mcguffins the game needs. However pretty much all fights rely on balancing flight with shooting and avoiding enemies and their weapns.

So how does it feel? Well, it suffers from what a lot of VR games suffer from. When it all comes together, it feels amazing. Blasting upwards, turning your body, shooting with one hand and steering with the other feels great. Flying across the Shield Helicarrier at full blast, spinning and blowing up some enemies really does a great job of feeling like Iron Man... most of the time. Possibly down to my skills, I never quite got the hang of flying accurately - there are some flight and speed parts to levels or challenges and I sucked at them. Going up is easy, coming down not so much. This is possibly my skillset but after the full campaign, I felt I only got marginally better. It also doesn't help that the levels get repetetive. The story is good but many of the missions involve an arena with the same enemies again and again. They get slightly more challenging and increase their move sets but I would say there are six enemy types plus 2-3 bosses that make up the whole game. Not only that but the same arenas get re-used again and again. Despite 13 missions, there are approx 5 or 6 areas to play within. With the enemy types and arenas, it becomes clear that there are budgetary constraints on the game. Now, I get this, the game is a VR title that has a niche audience - it isn't going to have TLOU2 budget but you do feel it in points.

My other gripes are load times. I don't have a PS5 (roll on Thursday) but you are waiting over a minute for load times for almost every refresh. So on a mission, you could face 2-4 minutes of loading times. There is a mini game you can play while loading but the optimal way to play is standing and in VR you can't get a cup of tea or distract yourself. You are sat in a loading area and it really drained. Not only that but at about 8-10 hours for the campaign, it is a lot of standing. Getting old, this did my back in a bit.

There is an upgrade system but that relies on you being good and doing inbetween training missions to get more skill points, which to be honest, I couldn't be bothered with. So I didn't play around with my upgrades too much. There is post game content which is really improving times in time trials and combat trials to put on leaderboards and earn more gear. In the end though, i finished the campaign and then I can't see myself going back.

Is it a good game? Overall yeah, pretty good. A lot of love and energy went into making it feel bigger than it was probably budgeted. It does a great job with the license and story and the combat and flight can be exhilarating. It's just that with long load times, repetetive levels and some challenges, it felt that it didn't really hold to the promise of the demo. I started the game in May, it didn't wow me and have only now come back to it. My friends who own it are also only a couple of hours into it and I guess they'll probably never finish it. You need to invest the time to get good but at the same time, it feels the incentive isnt there with the repetetiveness.

@RogerRoger Thanks - yeah it is a weird one about the feet thrusters - however... i thought about it and that would be yet another control. Then again, maybe a stay where you are sort of thing. You don't fall immediately, just you start to go downwards before picking up speed. I mean it is a fun game and there are a couple of standout levels - there is a cool canyon chase/fight scene. More things like that would have probably pushed it up the rankings.

@mookysam If you are intrigued, give the game a go, especially if on sale. I don't regret the purchase. As for video game dialogue... yeah, it is always the villains that say the most inane things over and over again!

@mookysam VR is so oddly personal about what does and doesn't make you wonky. I am relatively OK with most games. Things like AstroBot Rescue or Ghost Giant cause nothing as very limited movement of your head. I really struggle with attempting anything like FPS in VR. I have to have incremental turning and typically use teleporting. I tried to play The Perseverance on PSVR at EGX a few years ago and did not get it right and felt horrible for about 2 hours afterwards. Also the Rise of Tomb Raider VR mission with actual movement made me ill in about one step.

That said, I know some people are really sensitive to cockpit games, like Wipeout etc. It is true though that you develop VR legs the more you play and you get used to it.

@Rudy_Manchego Nice Iron Man VR write-up! On one hand, I think it's cool that VR tech gives developers the opportunity to build games that wouldn't work nearly as well in other regards. This 'concept heaviness' of VR software comes with a price, though: I think it reinforces the idea that VR is a 'gimmick,' and so discourages people from pumping real money into something ambitious. You mention that aspects of this feel repetitive and budget-constrained, which is disappointing, considering this could have been a real mover and shaker for the hardware had more time and money been put into it, and if it were a more ambitious project overall.

It's a pity this didn't end up making as much of a splash as it could have. PSVR really needs something big and exclusive to move units.

Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2 (aka Digital Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner, as the series is known in Japan)
Platform: PS2
Playtime: 80 hours - 45 hours for DDS1 and 35 hours for DDS2

The Digital Devil Saga games, from veteran JRPG developer Atlus, released in the United States in April and October of 2005. Although they're separate games, they were conceived of as being one story and so I thought it made sense to review them together. Like the increasingly popular Persona series, DDS1&2 are part of the broader Megami Tensei franchise, although they're unique in certain ways that serve to heavily distinguish them other SMT-related properties.

Unlike the majority of other modern MegaTen games, DDS1&2 aren't set in modern (or apocalyptic) Japan. The first game is set in a dismal, rainy purgatory known as The Junkyard, where various tribes are locked in a cycle of perpetual warfare. Our main character is Serph, the leader of the Embryon tribe, whose life is changed when he discovers a mysterious girl who materializes from a mechanical egg. This discovery leads to the people of The Junkyard being infected with a demonic virus that transforms them into monsters. Serph takes the girl, Sera, under his protection, where they are quick to discover that she is a "cyber shaman" who possesses the ability to soothe their demonic rage and help them to control their powers. Unfortunately, she becomes a target when the Karma Temple, the ruling theocratic authority of this land, declares that whichever tribe defeats the others and brings Sera to them will ascend to Nirvana.

In the second game, Serph and other members of his Embryon tribe escape to Nirvana, only to discover that it is, if anything, a more desolate hell than the one that they escaped from, where the sun has turned coal black and transforms any humans who come into contact with its rays into stone. The few remaining humans in this world largely stay sequestered underground as they mount an increasingly desperate resistance against the demonic inhabitants of The Karma Society, who are unaffected by the light of the black sun.

Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2 were Atlus' stab at creating a more traditional JRPG experience, so the monster collection aspect that is a defining characteristic of the MegaTen franchise is completely absent here, which radically alters many aspects of the game design. In the Digital Devil Saga games, your characters turn into demons who can weaken, terrify, and consume other people infected with the demonic virus. You consume demons to level up a 'mantra' the character has equipped, which, when fully leveled up, allows the character to learn a new set of skills. Normally, in an SMT game, you would negotiate with demons to 'collect' them and then fuse them together, which yields stronger demons that learn new skills. DDS1&2 lack this Pokemon-esque setup, so this system is meant to allow for the learning of progressively more powerful skills and abilities.

The mantra grid system is different between the two games, but features significant refinements in the second game. In DDS1, your characters unlock nodes on separate, linear charts in order to learn new abilities, whereas, in DDS2, all of your character work across singular, identical grids. Secret mantras are locked up throughout the grid, and are only unlocked when all of the mantras around them have been unlocked. In DDS2, your characters can work together to unlock secret mantras by each partially clearing normal mantras around them. If character A unlocks two mantras, character B unlocks two different mantras, and character C unlocks the final couple of mantras surrounding the secret one, their collective effort will culminate in the secret mantra being unlocked for everyone. Sometimes these mantras just unlock stat bonuses for the characters, but other times they allow for the learning of unique new skills that wouldn't have been available otherwise.

While this massive change to the way new skills are unlocked gives the games a strong sense of personal identity, it's worth pointing out that combat otherwise feels similar to the combat in Atlus' previous MegaTen game on the PS2, Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne, including the near wholesale importation of the brilliant "press turn" combat system from that game, which has also made appearances in subsequent Atlus titles. For those unacquainted with the series, Nocturne's battle system made it where the player and enemies fought by the player could gain or lose turn icons depending on how well they exploited or defended against elemental weaknesses, which turned even random battles into potentially fraught encounters. Boss battles in Nocturne forced the player to constantly build new teams of demons that possessed the right skills and qualities to take advantage of the enemy's weaknesses and guard against their strengths. In Digital Devil Saga, preparing for difficult battles is far more simple, as the player merely has to identify what skills they require and then grind the mantras required to unlock those skills.

I used the word "grind," and I think this is the primary weakness of Digital Devil Saga's setup versus more traditional SMT gameplay. In mainline SMT, there's very little grinding, as success in battle depends far more on fusing the right demons for battle. All one needs to do to be prepared in DDS is to unlock the right mantras, though. Mantras are learned by collecting points that either accumulate slowly by killing enemies or more quickly by consuming them. The bigger problem is that mantras are unlocked with macca, which serves as your in-game currency. So even putting aside the random battle grinding that needs to be done to learn skills, you often have to grind battles to collect the necessary macca to even get to the point where you can unlock the necessary mantra in the first place. So this leads to a LOT of random battle grinding, unfortunately.

It would have helped if the music in these games lived up to the standards of other post-Noctune MegaTen games I've played, but, unfortunately, it has one of the worse OSTs in the series. Well... I shouldn't say worse. The music, especially in the first, is heavily inspired by 60's alternative rock, so it's a LOT of guitar music. It's not my thing. There's more variety in this regard in the second game, which has more electronic-sounding environmental themes, but there aren't any bangers in that game, either.

I'll link a few tracks here.

Here are the random battles themes for the two games, respectively (i.e. the musical tracks you'll be hearing the most of in these games):

A couple of environmental tracks from the two games, respectively.

It's not bad music. But compared to the soundtracks for Nocturne, SMT IV, SMT IV: Apocalypse, Persona 4 Golden, Persona 5, etc.? It's not great.

Gameplay between the two games is broadly very similar, although DDS2 adds a few layers that weren't present in the original. The first is "karma rings," equip-able items that grant a variety of different effects, such as boosting strength, allowing the person equipped with one to take two turns in a row, or (and this one is by far more favorite) almost doubling the amount of macca received from battle. These are nice, although the effects they grant in battle aren't usually drastic enough to alter battle strategies, so they don't add a ton of depth to the experience. The other wrinkle is the addition of a new mechanic where, at peak solar energy, your character enter some weird half-demon/half-human hybrid state. So, to briefly explain what that means, SMT games often have game mechanics centered around changes in the phases of the moon. Since the black sun is the primary focus of narrative attention in DDS2, Atlus changes this slightly to focus on waxing and waning levels of solar energy, which trigger the transformation. Unfortunately, this mechanic doesn't end up adding much to the game. Atlus could have designed something interesting around this hybrid transformation, but I found that my characters either one-shotted all the enemy demons with ease, or missed all of their attacks and left themselves vulnerable. So, in general, if my first character missed their attack, I'd retreat from battle, since it likely meant all of the other characters would miss their attacks as well. It was an interesting idea that was poorly executed.

Both games are primarily dungeon crawlers, although the way dungeons are designed is another big difference between the two. The dungeons in DDS1 are often very wide, non-linear, and filled with puzzles (environmental and otherwise) which need to be solved in order to progress. This can sometimes lead to aggravation, but, more often than not, the locations explored in the first game of the duology are engaging, thematically distinct, and memorable. DDS2's dungeons are, comparatively, incredibly boring, and often consist of excessively linear and empty corridors that require little in the way of puzzle-solving. The game attempts to account for this by padding the size of the environments; most of the dungeons in the second game are composed of multiple floors, so the player will spend numerous hours running down seemingly endless corridors until they trigger the next cutscene.

Speaking of cutscenes, it's worth spending some time discussing how different the pacing and overall flow of the gameplay is between the two games. DDS1 is very... slow. It spends a lot of time with worldbuilding, developing characters, and generally fleshing out the world of The Junkyard. While it sometimes feels like it's spinning its narrative wheels, this does give the player an opportunity to appreciate the environment Atlus has crafted. The player will frequently return to previous locations between dungeons, engage in some minor exploration, talk to characters, etc. There's a lot more foreshadowing than there is actual plot movement.

DDS2 is almost the complete inverse of this. The game hits the ground running the moment it begins and never feels like it slows down. While this makes it almost impossible to get bored, it doesn't help when the second game is far more narrative-heavy and is in such a rush to keep the plot moving that it never feels like it properly establishes or develops almost any of the new plot elements it introduces to the player. Lots of stuff happens in the second game. There are revelations which feel like they would have had more impact if the game had cooled its jets a bit and allowed me to process what was happening, but there's an almost mechanical relentlessness to the way the game paces itself: dungeon, cutscene, dungeon, cutscene, etc. etc. The game rarely requires the player to backtrack or talk to other characters, and I felt like I was constantly being shuffled from one main story location to the next. As such, the sequel feels extremely linear in comparison to the first one.

This logic applies to side content as well. DDS1 is filled with a variety of side-quests to complete, which often involved revisiting previous completed dungeons to unlock new areas. DDS2, in comparison, has a few extra bosses that it awkwardly stuffs into the back half of the game. I guess designing proper side-quests for DDS2 would have interfered with this process of either overloading the player with new information or shuttling them down the corridors of bland futuristic environments. I also have issues with one of DDS2's optional boss fights being hidden behind a Jack Frost you'll encounter throughout the game who will quiz you on mechanical and narrative minutiae that you'd probably need an eidetic memory to successfully recall without a guide. And if you do use a guide, it really slows down the gameplay. Good luck accurately answering 50 questions from this thing when he runs away every time you give him a wrong answer, though, and only seems to reappear every few hours.

Because of the game's pacing issues, the new characters introduced in DDS2 never end up feeling very developed, and the only personalities in that game I felt any attachment to were the properly developed ones who returned from DDS1.

Ideally, the relatively narrative-light DDS1 would have been more fast-paced to make up for the lack of new information, and DDS2 would have slowed down and allowed the player time to adjust to its frequent revelations and plot development. In general, the way the duology presents itself harms the storytelling. There's an interesting early-2000s philosophical sci-fi tale here, but I feel like DDS2 tosses out terminology, weird concepts, and bizarre plot twists without really explaining itself adequately.

More broadly, it would have all ideally been one game. Both games are short by MegaTen standards, and my playtime for both games combined falls well short of the time I spent playing gargantuan epics like Persona 5 and Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse. Structurally, the game's problems feel like they go back to this decision to split the project into two separate products.

And before I get done ragging on DDS2's shortcomings, I HAVE to mention the party shuffling it does, because it's so annoying. While this also happened some in the first game, one thing I really don't appreciate is how frequently characters disappear from your party for plot reasons. It's bad enough in a typical JRPG where it just means having to re-orient your battle strategies around a new party member, but, as mentioned, party members work in tandem in this game to unlock secret mantras throughout the grid, and, moreover, it's disconcerting when you invest a significant amount of macca into learning a powerful mantra, only for that character to disappear for hours at a time, or sometimes permanently. Especially in the back half of this game, the player's party is in a constant state of flux and it made me nervous to invest too deeply in the development of any of my characters.

So, that's a lot of complaining, but it's not like I disliked the games overall. I mentioned that they mostly adopted Nocturne's excellent battle system, and they seem to have been developed in Nocturne's engine as well, because, visually, they look remarkably similar to that game. This is a good thing, because Nocturne was, and remains, one of the nicer-looking games on the PS2, and the same is true here. Character designs are distinct and visually pleasing, and the settings of both games are incredibly evocative and memorable.

The great presentation extends to the voice acting as well. In an era where video game voice acting was still very hit-or-miss, DDS1&2's cast turns in some fantastic performances, which especially helps with the second game, where you'll be watching a lot of lengthy cutscenes, and the voice actors help to sell what's happening on-screen. The plot and symbolism are fascinating on their own and are heavily influenced by the religious tradition of hinduism. As is the focus on cannibalism and how you have to actually consume your enemies to strengthen yourself, although the visual representation of this is exceedingly abstract (when you 'consume' an enemy, they turn into an orb that you absorb; you don't actually see your party members gobble up your enemies), and the mechanics surrounding it should have been expanded and fleshed out a little more thoroughly than they were.

I should probably also mention that, at least on the normal difficulty mode, the difficulty level of the games feels very balanced and fair compared to the often overtly brutal Nocturne, and especially the NES and SNES-era Megami Tensei games. Save points and stations where you can recoup your health are liberally distributed throughout both games. I also can't recall any encounters where enemies spammed instadeath spells like mudoon at me (eyes Nocturne warily). And there's even a general absence of boss rush sequences here. There's certainly challenges to rise up to, if you want: hard mode is notably harder, and DDS1 features an optional boss fight with Nocturne's Demi-Fiend that is widely regarded as one of the hardest boss fights in RPG history. But, again, you have to be deliberately seeking that challenge out. If you just want to play and enjoy the game, the main story content is all exceedingly fair, and even most of the optional bosses aren't too overwhelming.

The Wrap-Up

Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2 are unique RPGs filled with fascinating themes and symbolism, but they're also some of the weaker semi-modern games in Atlus' legendary catalog. They have interesting stories to tell, but the storytelling itself leaves something to be desired (particularly the second game, which feels like it's overwhelmed by its own ideas). Gameplay is solid, but leans too heavily into grinding and away from the tactical considerations that accompanied the polished monster-collection gameplay of most other games in the series. How much one likes the music will probably depend heavily on how fond they are of the alternative rock style the games employ; unfortunately, I wasn't taken with it. Presentation remains the area where DDS1&2 stand tallest, with uncharacteristically excellent voice acting, gorgeous art design, and attractive character designs and demon models that make the games a visual treat, even today.

Of the two games, I'd say that DDS1 is easily the stronger experience, with often superb dungeons, a more focused narrative, and less destabilizing shake-ups of the player's party composition. I do think both games were ultimately harmed by making this story a duology, though, as the first one is TOO heavy on foreshadowing and the second one doesn't have enough time to fully explore all of the concepts it tosses at the player. These games would fundamentally benefit from being rewritten and restructured. None of this should be taken to mean that these games aren't still good experiences overall, though. They're just not stone-cold classics like Atlus' best games.

7/10 for Digital Devil Saga. 5/10 for Digital Devil Saga 2.

Good stuff there @Ralizah with the DDS review!

I honestly agree with a lot of your points regarding these games.

As I'm sure I said before you'd even started the first that out of the two that's my favourite for the exact reasons you've stated here regarding the world building, character development and the likes.

Not that the second is bad by any means as you say but it does fall flat a little in most areas Though I do quite like the whole reincarnation stuff even if it does go a bit out there.

The final dungeon in DDS 1 seemed to go on forever from what I remember (It's been a good 5 years or do since I last played the duology) but seeing as I can barely recall stuff like the airport or the sun in the sequel... It was more interesting with all those warp points and the likes even if it seemed to take the pip.

If I recall correctly you haven't played through Nocturne in it's entirety right? Really looking forward to seeing what you make of that when you get round to it as it's probably my favourite PS2 Atlus game alongside Persona 3.

Though I heard there was a few problems with the japanese versions of the HD port especially on switch? Hopefully that's ironed out before the western release!

@RogerRoger Thanks! I was actually unsure of how comprehensible or interesting this piece would be for someone utterly unacquainted with the franchise I'm discussing, so it's good to hear that it didn't end up being too poor of a read. Especially since I've been in a sort of funk with my writing in general as of late. I think I'm sorting out techniques for behaviorally working through that sort of thing, though.

So, to get screenshots for this review, I actually ripped my PS2 discs and played them for a couple of hours on my PC's PS2 emulator with dramatically bumped-up internal resolution. I could have snagged a better assortment of screenshots if I'd have the capability available to me throughout the game, but I think they do a good enough job capturing the visual essence of these games.

Game-imposed party shuffling isn't normally a huge deal for me. Especially in more recent JRPGs that help to maintain level parity between different party members. But it was just getting ridiculous in DDS2. It probably doesn't help that, unlike most JRPGs, nobody is safe from this. Not even your main character.

I will say, while these games don't reach the height of more recent Atlus output, they're about a million times more playable than their SNES/PS1-era games. The company is sort of the anti-Squaresoft/Square-Enix: the quality of their work has broadly improved over the years, to the point where I think they're the most consistently excellent JRPG developer in the industry. It's one reason why I'm super excited to see how Shin Megami Tensei V turns out: the Switch might not be really powerful hardware compared to modern home consoles, but it's a multi-generational improvement over the 3DS, and going by the recent trailer, it's going to be their most technologically ambitious title to date.

@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy I think DDS2 could have been the better game. The plot, setting, etc. are really cool, and it has some nice changes to the mantra grid. If possible, I'd love for Atlus to reimagine these games someday in full-on remake form.

Yeah, the final dungeon in DDS1 is a bit annoying. Some parts of it have a confusing, maze-like structure. There are also some annoying teleporter bits, etc. But that goes along with the more inventive dungeon design in general. The reason you probably don't remember the airport or the sun in DDS2 is because literally every dungeon feels the same: long hallways devoid of puzzles or much of anything interactive. The sun dungeon is only notable insofar as certain sections of it prevent you from transforming, which is... just annoying, and ends with me running from every battle until I exit those sections.

Although I will say this: the dungeons in DDS2 are still infinitely better than the ultra-bland corridors in Persona 4, and the even blander singular dungeon in Persona 3 (which I still need to play more than a few hours of). Persona 5 is light years ahead of those games on the dungeon-crawling front.

And you remember correctly: I played 25-ish hours of Nocturne before my memory card failed and I lost my save data. I was so annoyed that I refused to play the PS2 version again. Thankfully, I'll have another opportunity to play it with the HD remaster.

And yeah, Nocturne HD has issues in both the Switch and PS4 versions, although Atlus has come out and said they're going to investigate the matter and issue another patch, which hopefully means the English release will be fully patched by default. It's one of the only good things about localization delays. Even if the technical issues are all ironed out, it's still a pretty unambitious remaster, though: demon skill inheritance hasn't been altered to allow for more player control like in SMT IV/Apocalypse, and the bug where magic builds become less useful later in the game still hasn't been altered.

I've dreamed of portable Nocturne for ages, though, and now it's finally happening, so I won't miss it for the world. Unless they do something stupid and release it at the same time as SMT V, I'll be devoting my energies entirely to Nocturne HD once it releases state-side next year.

I can already tell you from my previous experience with the game that it's also my favorite PS2 Atlus game, though. Although it'll be great to finally do a full run of it.

Maybe they could bring the original writer back and we can see how it would've turned out if she didn't have to leave due to health reasons? That'd be pretty cool @Ralizah

But just a refined and slightly altered versions of what we already have would be pretty awesome too... Just they'd HAVE to bring back the english voice cast... Like you said before mentioned that voice acting is generally top-notch and I won't accept any substitutes (Well except for Roland... He's not that interesting lol )

... I had to put a sweet Gale meme in somewhere... We are (mainly) talking about DDS after all

Though (And I'm admitedly reaching quite a while back into my memory here) I think I found Tartarus' levels be a bit more interesting in level design then Persona 4's?

Persona 4's dungeons looked a lot nicer... But they felt very corridor-y and the hallways seemed endless whereas Tartarus's layouts I think was a bit more randomised and more spacious? Not very interesting look at mind you but still...

It's been forever though and I really need to revist those two games... Especially to give my gripes with P5 some much needed perspective.

Ahh yeah I think I remember you mentioning memory card problems. Hopefully all the bugs and problems are sorted before it reaches us. I agree it's pretty unambitious...

... At least it ain't Devil Summoner (The Raidou ones) getting a bare bones remaster though cus I really couldn't care less 'bout that

@RogerRoger just read your sonic 4s episode 2 attack of the badniks review, good stuff! I've yet to play it properly unfortunately but I did buy it earlier in the year for Xbox. I had episode 1 on Wii but never bought episode 2 on another console because I wouldn't unlock the extra levels as my copy of ep1 was on the Wii. Anyway Xbox still has regular sales on Xbox 360 games so I bought both of them a while back on Xbox one but only made it through the first game in the end, I was planning to go back for sonic 2 but never got around to it!

@Rudy_Manchego nice review of iron man VR! It looks really good and it's definitely on my buy list when there is a seriously decent sale. That's not to say it's not worth more, it's just I don't like spending too much on vr games because of the limited amount of time I can actually play them due to VR sickness which is obviously not something that holds everyone back! The other two VR games I defo Wana get on a decent sale are Astro bot and Vader Immortal.

I know you mentioned standing is the optimal position but do you reckon you could play iron man sitting down? I often play games in bed which makes actions like putting the controllers below my waist impossible.

@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy Tartarus doesn't feel quite so much like it's composed of LITERAL hallways. On the other hand, doesn't it kind of feel the same way the entire way through? It's like if Persona 5 opted to only include Mementos instead of the thematically-rich palaces. Maybe it changes later on or something.

Persona 4, I believe, has mostly randomized dungeons as well. The enemies/wallpaper/music are different between dungeons, but the differences felt largely superficial to me.

Honestly, pre-P5, the Persona 2 duology probably has the best dungeon design. Too bad those games are both so slow and dull.

Didn't like the Raidou games, Foxy? I'm curious to try them. A historical, MegaTen-themed action-rpg sounds like my kind of weird. Too bad they cost an arm and a leg to collect now, which is weird, because every other PS2 MegaTen game is super-affordable.

@RogerRoger I think what helps with Atlus is that they're VERY iterative in terms of how their games are designed. Sort of like Nintendo. There's not a ton of drastic shifts in game design over the course of their respective series (the biggest, undoubtedly, is when Persona went from a pure dungeon-crawler to a life-sim/dungeon-crawler hybrid that works on a calendar system), so they have the opportunity to gradually improve stuff from entry to entry. Of course, that approach can still disappoint some people: while it's acclaimed in almost every regard, you'll find plenty of longtime Persona fans who are disappointed that the differences between 2008's Persona 4 and 2017's Persona 5 aren't more drastic. I do rather prefer that approach, though, as I can have a consistent set of expectations for their games, unlike something like Final Fantasy, where I have no idea if the latest game will be a masterpiece or total trash.

Well, like I said, I enjoyed your Shadow the Hedgehog review.
And don't worry, I'm not one of those miserable people who hunts for hidden insults within obvious praise. If anything, a lack of growth/improvement would be far worse, as it'd mean I've peaked, and I'd never be able to overcome my considerable limitations as a writer.

Screenshots are a bit of a pain on PS4 and PC. The former because there's this delay between clicking the button and seeing visual confirmation of what I just did, and the latter because my current screenshotting tool for games is rather disruptive. With that said, trying to find visual material for a game I have no screenshots of is even more of a pain, so I absolutely have considered just emulating them on my PC. I guess I often don't because I still think old games feel best on their original hardware. There's just something about picking up a creaky old PS2 controller, popping in a memory card, and playing a game on a fuzzy old CRT that feels right; it's like a ritual that connects the increasingly far-flung present to some small chunk of time long ago that has been preserved in physical form on withered and irrelevant tech.

One thing that contributes to the sheer amount of time I play on my Switch is actually how user-friendly the screenshotting process is. You press a large-ish button on your controller, and there's an immediate response. No delay whatsoever. That satisfying screenshotting tool means I press the button almost compulsively on Switch almost anytime something of note happens, and I can sift through the hundreds of screenshots I end up taking afterward to find the best material.

@Ralizah Tartarus isn’t the only dungeon, every month there’s a Full Moon which has a mini dungeon like a moving train for example. Tartarus is very much like Mementos and you do have to complete it but it’s not the only thing you do. Persona 4’s dungeons are rubbish to be honest, as much as the rest of the game is great even though it’s bloody hard and I haven’t beaten it yet. Think I’m in a certain place with clouds and rainbows.

No Tartarus doesn't change much at all as you journey through it from what I recall... Tartarus' general layout just seemed a bit more randomised and the floors a little shorter compared to the dungeons in P4 to me.

Could be that you have to clear dungeons as quick as possible in P4 for enough spare time to do social links and stuff whereas you can take your sweet time in Persona 3 thanks to Tartarus exploration being on the evenings so you can space it out over the entire month before the next full moon.

Though it's been well over 6/7 years since I've played either one and it's a totally fair assessment on your part @Ralizah!

Can't quite say I remember the dungeon design in Persona 2 Eternal Punishment to be perfectly honest as I just remember not really liking the gameplay one bit (Plus even for a ps1 game (and I don't know why it bothered me so much) it's not a good looking game in the slightest)

I've actually only played the first Raidou Kuzunoha... Because it's the only one that actually came over to europe at the time. I believe the second is actually available on PS3 over here now (... Maybe?) but I've never felt the desire to play it thanks to the first being pretty lacklustre.

The gameplay in the first is extremely repetitive to me.

Raidou has his sword with a three hit combo (There's a charge attack too I think?) and a piddly ass gun with varying bullets that's mainly used for stunning enemy demons. You can summon a single demon at a time which only knows a basic attack and two(? ... Or is it one?) magic attack.

The AI isn't terribly great for the demons. People make jokes about Mitsuru and Marin Karin in P3 but I found the demons in Raidou to be way worse personally thanks to it being an action game and they either just head straight ahead into danger or spam magic even if it isn't needed.

The setting's very cool and pretty authentic, some of the characters are good (I quite liked Raidou's boss from what I remember) and the music's rather nice too ... But that's all it really has going for it for me.

The story was pretty meh and the gameplay is fairly mindless in my opinion. I've heard the second allows you to bring two demons in battle and uses the smt law, neutral, chaos stuff in the story... But eh -Shrug-

Over here in europe Koei of all companies had the publishing rights with Persona 3 and The Soulless Army which is probably why they're crazy expensive over here as they did barely (If any) reprints whereas Ghostlight whom have the publishing rights for both DDS games and Nocturne have reprinted them a couple of times. Plus the ps2 version of persona 4 was published by Square Enix of all people over here so there was probably a bigger initial supply thanks to the success of 3 (Though I've noticed those prices are starting to climb up a little now)