@Areus@KratosMD That and probably because the first 4 have been released mainly on Nintendo systems over the years, being released on NES originally, then released on the GBC and on the Wii in Japan so perhaps its a contract thing. The Dragon Quest series didn't start on the PS till DQ VII.
Oh my @DerMeister I didn't see your persona 4 impressions (Or re-impressions... whatever!) til now!
I quite liked Persona 3's shuffle time (?) (I think that was the name at least)
Persona 4's shuffle and arcana chance is ok... I mostly got negatives though in the arcana chance that kept knocking my sp to zero so I never bothered with it much after the first few times. Probably has something to do with my personas stupid low luck stat.
I usually stomped through the dungeon as quick as I could, soon as it was availible so I never really had a problem with the weather stuff... but yeah it was a bit random compared to having the moon cycle which was rather simple to follow barring additional events that occassionally cropped up
There definitely points where you seem to question why these guys are friends at time as well. Especially with Yusuke where it really varies on the scene if he's a jerk or not... Especially to poor Kanji
I think Persona 3 seemed to do the party stuff better with them being united under a same goal (Akihiko and Mitsuru in particular being distant) at first with them becoming fire forged friends and the likes as the months go on whereas Yusuke and the likes seem to instantly be your BFF. Same applies to Persona 5. I never believed it as much.
I do quite like Persona 4 but I prefer 3 overall.
Persona 5 I didn't enjoy as much as them both.
Persona 2 Eternal Punishment is a bit archaic for me (Only got halfway through) but it kinda wasted the intriguing premise too on the alternate universe thing.
Not sure if you'd be interested but there's a webcomic made by an artist called HiI'mDaisy that gives Persona 4 a bit of a gentle ribbing and highlights a few things you said (Like Yusuke) and more
There's actually also a dub of it on youtube if you'd prefer which adds music & sound effects from the game and is even voiced too.
It's actually quite well done for some fans dubbing the comic of another fan. The one who voices Chie doesn't sound too far off from the PS2 Chie voice...
There's four parts... Should be easy enough to find the others if you end up watching it or whatever
@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy The dynamics of P4's just seem so weird to me. It feels more like they're friends with the hero, and without him they're just a bunch of people who happen to have something in common. The comedic scenes of the game would actually be decent at making them bond if they also didn't feature mean spirited antics as well, like the school trip (Yosuke ribbing Kanji to the point where he runs to the girl's tents, plus the bikini stuff), school festival (Yosuke entering the girls in a beauty contest without their consent, then complaining when Chie enters him, along with the other guys for whatever reason, in a cross dressing gig), and the Amagi inn (The girls mix up the times, so they throw stuff at the guys when they enter, and not apologize when they realize they goofed). They mostly only seem to truly get along when it's either the hero or Nanako at the center of things.
Something I liked about P3 was how everyone felt more like business associates rather than pals, so conflicts and development from them felt more natural. Scenes like Yukari talking to Mitsuru, Junpei dealing with his own struggles, and Shinjiro's interactions with Akihiko and Ken are something I feel P4 needed more of: Scenes of the cast interacting without the protag around. A lot of scenes in P4 I remember that the protag is somewhere in there, which makes sense, but it also gives me the impression that they're only functional with the protag, compared to SEES.
I can't believe I'm praising The Answer, but in hindsight the decision to have a scenario without the protag was pretty bold. Aigis, being her own defined character doesn't quite fill the same role as our self insert emo boy, so seeing them as a team without you is a great change of pace, even if the result writing-wise was pretty crud.
As for where I rank P4, well I need to finish replaying it first, but it's kinda in this weird middle ground. P3 has my favorite story and cast, but as a game feels old and needs to be acclimated to more than the others. P5 improved the game aspect quite a bit, but story wise it's kinda hit and miss, and after playing the other titles you can see how the cast can be pretty similar to 3's and 4's. Persona 4 doesn't outshine either game in both departments, but it does do well in what it does have. It's also like a perfect game that transitions into another console generation. It refined what was there well enough to built upon by better hardware.
And yes, I have seen the hiimdaisy stuff....a lot. It never fails to give me a chuckle.
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I have to admit I actually quite liked the Answer when I played it @DerMeister
It wasn't perfect (The ending song in particular to that is completely forgettable compared to Memories Of You), the fusion mechanics being dialed down was a bit of a bummer, The difficulty spike took a bit of getting used to and like Tartarus there wasn't much to look at in the Labyrinth ... or whatever it was called
But I liked the very notable tension of the cast due to the death of best emo boy and that they were going along with this timeloop business just to get it over with.
There was some believeable characterisation with the fight over the keys too
Yukari definitely went a bit crazy beeeeeeeee-arch from the loss sure but it's still only a month or so from the event? No way would anyone be ok after that so soon. Plus Mitsuru siding with her was nice too in showing how close they had become since the talk they had on the school trip
The fight against Shadow Him was neat too. Plus the backstory scenes were a nice touch.
I liked Metis too.
There's probably a bunch I'm misremembering about it though 😅
I only replayed P4 once so... Honestly I remember the Hiimdaisy "abridged" plot more so then the actual game. I can't really say about the group but I think I remember it felt a touch forced even.
Haru and Makoto in P5 are basically just Mitsuru but split up.
Makoto getting the complete lack of social awareness and school coucil president malarky whike Haru got the rich girl dying dad and becoming the heir junk and the gratutious french.
Ok Haru got some I love horror movie stuff too and maybe she's a bit sadistic but... Makoto I thought was blander then a sheet of blank paper and I have no idea why people like her so much 😂
All in all I should really get around to replaying P3:FES and Persona 4 soon.
Maybe after I fin Dark Souls 2 & cleanse my gaming palate with something smaller for a while...
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@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy I suppose I'm more harsh on The Answer than I should be, because it felt so draining during that first playthrough. Most of my issue honestly was gameplay- Nothing but dungeon crawling, locked into a harder difficulty, needing to level up again felt so tiring on brain.
Writing wise, just seeing some of the cast act out after the resolve they gained during P3's final month just felt wrong to me at the time. Reading your comment and thinking it over though, does justify it more. I guess I felt that, y'know, having literally stared death in the face and won, they'd be stronger, especially with Yukari, who was usually one of the more rational characters in the game. I suppose with her history during the main game, it's understandable with how she behaves in the Answer, even if the extremes she was willing to go to see the protag again weren't right.
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I can see why you think/thought it's a great game @KALofKRYPTON! Just from the opening cutscene I was pretty enamoured with it. I'm loving the gothic art direction!
Raizel has got the perfect voice for a sauve and handsome vampire... ya know... before he burns for eternity in the lake of souls and becomes a vampire wraith (and can somehow still talk perfectly fine without a lower jaw 😂)
Also I swear I know the voice of the soul spinner/elder god who brought Raizel back... It can't be Count Frollo from the Hunchback of Notre Dame? -EDIT- It is!
The combat is rather clunky unfortunately by today's standards... But everything else is quite good still.
The switching planes/realms mechanic is seriously impressive ... I'm quite impressed the PS1 managed to accomplish that!
I'm really looking forward to trying more tomorrow!
@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy If you ever have the opportunity to play the DC version, grab it with both hands. Love the PS1 game, but the still surprising upgrade is fantastic.
There was an article fairly recently about the technical prowess of the game and how the dev's utilised the CD format to stream the levels, pretty interesting stuff as I recall. Not sure where is was...
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Yup Soul Reaver one of my fave games from that gen. Really hope thet do a remake, i would play that in a heartbeat. Does anyone know if Mark Hamill did any of the voices in the games? I seem to remember he did, but a quick search on IMDB didn't come up with anything. Or I maybe getting confused with Darksiders!
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I think it's Darksiders he's in @JohnnyShoulder (Not that I've played those either!)
That was a pretty impressive read @KALofKRYPTON with all the computer/CD trickery.
Interesting that Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy is considered/recognised officially as the first game to have no loading screens
But maybe that's because it is truly open world whilst Soul Reaver is notably locked off chunks with the doors to each new compartment technically just masking the loading.
Still rather mind boggling though at what Soul Reaver did/does.
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"You don't have to save the world to find meaning in life. Sometimes all you need is something simple, like someone to take care of"
@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy Played the first Darksiders he defo voices a character in that. Although I didn't know that at the time! Dunno if he is the other games.
Life is more fun when you help people succeed, instead of wishing them to fail.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
At least I could go surfing as Silver the Hedgehog. That was cool
I dont even know who the character is @RogerRoger (Though from the name I can ascertain he's obviously bronze and a porcupine )
But if that's the highlight of the game then oh boy!
(Last game I played of Sonic was Sonic Rush Adventure I think)
Currently in the midst of playing a bit more of Legacy Of Kain: Soul Reaver myself as I was at the inlaws most of today and yesterday and I can't be bothered to faff about with the Witcher 3 for only an hour or so as I won't get anything done.
Making my way through the Silenced Cathedral... Boy do they like block puzzles in this place
Unfortunately like you with Sonic & Mario RogerRoger I'm starting to feel Soul Reaver getting a bit more mediocre now after the inital positive buzz I had the other day.
Though considering it's twenty years old...
The voice acting is still a delight mind. I'll admit I could happily listen to Raziel's voice actor talk for hours in this accent! It's shakespearean/medieval waffle... but at it's finest
Also didn't really take in it was by Crystal Dynamics til now!
@Foxy-Goddess-Scotchy Yeah, I just had to comment on your Witcher 3 sentiment you had there almost in passing — part of my issue with it and similar games is the feeling that I need to have a 3 hour games session minimal to get anywhere with it. So I have put it in hibernation until I feel like that happens in my life. Unfortunately I started up Assassin’s Creed Origins this weekend and it feels nearly identical to Witcher 3 in structure. Just dumps you in this enormous world with a million quest markers and very little tutorial or foundational explanation of what’s going on and sets you loose. I have a feeling it will suffer the same fate as W3 has in my backlog.
Anyways, and to get back on thread subject, Soul Reaver is a little bit of the opposite — more linear, dated graphically with aged gameplay and structure. The voice acting is the highlight though. It’s been a while since I played but I have pleasant memories of it. I’m sure if I attempted a replay I’d be like, “Why won’t this game open up into a huge world with lots to explore and do and a boatload of combat mechanics to spend a hundred hours leveling up to learn! This is so boring!” 😂. Sometimes as gamers we can never be pleased. 😜
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I must admit I imagined the entirety of your post in a pirate voice for some reason thanks to that opening line 😂
Silver looks pretty neat. Though my inner angsty teen will always love Shadow.
I'll be honest @RogerRoger I've only played Sonic Heroes, Shadow The Hedgehog, Sonic Unleashed and the two Rush games alongside Riders so my Sonic knowledge is severely lacking.
Never had any friends who had a megadrive or such as a kid and as I've said before, I never really got into gaming til the ps1 at 15 so the originals passed me by
Shame you didn't enjoy your time with Sonic and Mario at the Tokyo Olympics so much though!
As for Soul Reaver.
It's not so much my interest is waning, more so my intital positive reception is becoming increasingly marred by the design choices and limitations of the times.
For 1999 it's impressive... Now not so much.
The voice acting is simply sublime though (Hell it can beat some of today's voice casts easily) and the music, whilst nothing I'd recommend listening to yet, is very atmospheric for Raziel's quest for revenge.
I also now hate block puzzles
Still interested in seeing it to the end though!
and I have never heard of Chase the Express in my life!
@Th3solution didn't see your post while I was typing
I'm lucky that as a teacher I can usually get an evening or two in the week for a few hours of gaming and as I have weekends off I can usually spend at least one day with a massive gaming chunk in it!
Soul Reaver does seem to have a number of secrets to it. At least six or so as I seemingly have other spells beside the shifting reality/planes one but haven't got them yet.
There's a very Legend Of Zelda (Not quite metroidvania-y) feel about how you get new abilties and being able to revist previous places for secrets/upgrades.
Plus this second area is LONG! I have no idea if the upcoming areas are gonna be this long... If they are they really need better warp gate placements!
Oh, I'm glad you're still interested in finishing Soul Reaver . I applied the wrong personal example, sorry!
No worries!
Quite an interesting tidbit there though about the stairs... I remember when the PS3 came out and COD was hailed about how hands weren't like crude lego claws anymore 😂
I've heard the sequel for Soul Reaver is more story focused... Which might actually help it over the course of time. Especially as hopefully it uses the Right analogue stick for camera control rather the L2 and R2!
I actually did quite a bit this evening of Soul Reaver...
Defeated the second vampire, Found out some hidden secrets of Raziel's creation... Found and defeated the third vampire... Hell I'm already on my way to the last as well!
The past few areas have been rather short... which is a gift, as the 2nd area was way too long in my opinion... But I'm thinking the area after (possibly the last?) is gonna be quite long to compensate
I'm currently in a Sonic mood so i'm gonna play Sonic Adventure
not sure which version though
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