We've got a problem, readers – and it pertains to pre-ordering games. I never used to be opposed to this practice: I'd regularly drop a fiver at my local GAME on titles that I was looking forward to, and would waltz home happily with a receipt and a pre-order pack – the DVD that came with Metal Gear Solid IV: Guns of the Patriots being a particular highlight. But this was at a time when registering your interest in a release came after months of reveals; I'd read all of the previews, pored over the pre-release screenshots, and soaked up as much gameplay footage as I could when I dropped my deposit on Konami's tactical espionage escapade – and I walked away with a little trinket for my troubles. Less than a decade later, things aren't quite as innocent anymore.
My copy of Mortal Kombat X is missing a character – even though the content is on the disc. Apparently, even though I got the game on the day of its release, I purchased it from the wrong retailer – well, I did have weeks to figure out which stores were offering codes for four-armed favourite, Goro. But why should I stray from my favourite outlets just because of behind-the-scenes business deals? And you know what: why should I even pre-order at all? There's never any danger of the next AAA blockbuster going out of stock, so why are the likes of Star Wars: Battlefront, Call of Duty: Black Ops III, and Just Cause 3 so desperate for us to pledge our financial allegiances to their cause – to the degree that they'll promise us extra weapons, betas, and cars?
The reality is that you're a pawn, and you're being played by publishers. Ever heard a company say that the latest entry in its no-doubt derivative blockbuster series is "the most pre-ordered ever"? It happens all of the time, doesn't it? And it's great posturing: it pleases shareholders, it increases hype, and it makes the product seem much more desirable. But it also enables the publisher to flog more copies. Remember, for these companies, you're not necessarily the consumer – retailers are. And thus, every time that you drop a deposit on a release, you're giving the publisher bargaining power. "Oh, look how many pre-orders you've got," a smug salesman is almost certainly saying somewhere as we type. "You should order a few more copies just to be sure."
The reality is that you're a pawn, and you're being played by publishers
And while this mentality exists, it's only going to get worse. Betas and bonus characters may cut the mustard now, but how much further will these publishers go as the importance of that pre-order period inevitably inflates? How long before entire stages, stories, and modes are used as bait? Worryingly, there are probably already examples of these that have taken place. And what will this mean for the quality of the games that are being flogged in the first place? We've just come off the back of a year where several of the holiday season's biggest blockbusters didn't even function – but with most consumers already committed to stumping up long before information about their many deficiencies could filter out, the majority of these failures still sold stupidly well.
There's the inevitable backlash that follows, of course – but wouldn't we all just be better taking a breather and keeping our cash in our pockets? Publishers can try to entice us with as many trinkets or treats as they like, but if we remain steadfast and wait, things will have to change. And perhaps then we can get back to a time when game reveals and trailers were all about the actual software – rather than which bonus goods are available at Amazon, GameStop, and Wal-Mart. We live in an age where every new release is available on the PlayStation Store, so stock concerns don't actually exist anymore. And even if they did, that doesn't give publishers the right to pressure you into picking which titles you want to buy – before you even know whether they're going to be any good. A recent survey revealed that UK gamers are taking a stand – it's time for the rest of the world to follow suit.
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How often do you pre-order games? (151 votes)
- I pre-order virtually every game I buy
- I only pre-order a few times a year
- I absolutely never pre-order anything
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What is it that encourages you to pre-order? (148 votes)
- Bonus content, features, or modes
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- I just said, I absolutely never pre-order
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Comments 97
Never pre-ordered anything and I never will..just can't see a reason for it.. and don't understand people that pre-order :/
I'll never understand why people preorder AAA games. Your pretty much guaranteed a copy at launch anyway and the preorder bonuses are usually pitiful.
I think the only time I've ever preordered was for titles like Senran Kagura Burst, as your never guaranteed being able to pick up a copy of a niche game at launch. Most places only order in enough to cover preorders
"I'd read all of the previews, pored over the pre-release screenshots, and soaked up as much gameplay footage as I could."
I still do this before making a decision. I have made one pre-order this gen The Witcher 3. A game that I was 100% getting day one anyway. I saved a little money by doing so and now just have to wait.
That said I don't have a problem with how other people spend "their" money.
The only game I have ever pre-ordered is MK X. Got it for one simple reason, my local store had it at a great price ( 49 euros ) and as a big fan of the MK games, I knew I would buy it no matter the reviews. Goro was just a bonus, I don't even like him that much.
As for any other game, no matter the hype I'll just wait for it, after all I prefer to buy when the prices drop a bit.
I only preorder digitally mainly because I hate discs that can be damaged, they also have discounts on them sometimes and as someone who owns 65ish ps4 games those $5 discounts add up. I usually don't care about the extras but sometimes it's not a bad venture.
Amen! Pre-orders are for the slightly less gifted.
@MadchesterManc I think that's the way it should be, and totally makes sense. Also, like @Melucine says, if you've seen a good price somewhere, it makes sense to jump in.
Otherwise...
After getting burned from Battlefield 4 and Destiny pre-orders, I made a point of not pre-ordering MKX even though I knew I would be buying it. No more pre-orders from here on in.
I pre-order some games to ensure I can actualy get the game at release so I'm not stopping
but I agree that pre-order dlc is a plauge on the industry that needs to die off (same as timed exclusivity, microtransactions on disc dlc)
If I know that I am going to buy a game regardless of review scores then I will pre-order.
We've discussed this multiple times in the past, seems like something finally set you off.
Seems like you have more than 1 issue, as I dont equate pre-ordering w/ retailer exclusives, thats a whole other type of evil. I do hate having to pick which retailer to buy a game from to see which character skin to get - LBP comes to mind. And Nintendos amiibo sales are about 8 different kinds of messed up.
I do see retailers point of view on straight up pre-ordering as it it a useful metric for them to judge how many copies to order. Though it seems like the EU has a thing about paying for pre-orders which I dont get, $5 deposit should cover it.
And there really is NO reason to pre-order a digital download as they arent going to run out of stock. And paying months in advace boggles my mind. I had a hard enough time convincing myself to purchase Mario Kart tracks 6 months in sdvance but I liked the bundled savings. Offering betas and pre-downloads may mske it worth paying a few days in advance but some of these seem crazy.
So Im ok w/ straight up pre-orders requiring a small deposit - Ive purchased several $1 cards at Target and given them to my kids as gifts so they could have the gift card when I finally bought them the game. And offering beta testing to people who pre-order means you have people who really want the game testing it, not just some uninterested guy looking to try it out for free. And w/ smaller games retailers may really need to judge interest.
But, I would never pay full price for a pre-order unless there was a gift card or % off, and retailer exclusives suck.
But a larger problem really is all the broken games. Assasdins Creed, LBP3 which I STILL cant play, Sonic Boom on Wii U was almost as broken as Sonic 06. Not only should people not be pre-ordering games, we shouldnt even be buying them until at least the first patch comes out. Its like every new game is a new version of Windows and we have to wait until the .1 update. Thats worse than anything to do w/ pre-ordering.
I agree with this article, but I have to preoder because of the village I live in is not good for getting games. Otherwise I wouldn't preorder
@rjejr I agree no reason to preorder months before but a few days to save a % and get the pre-download is worthwhile if you already know your going to buy it.
Good article Sammy! I agree that pre-ordering has gotten way out of control and has led to a lot of people getting burned with broken/bad games (looking at you Assassin's Creed Unity). I am a bit hypocritical considering I pre-ordered Wolfenstein: The Old Blood, it does have a 10% discount and I thought the previous entry (same developers) was fantastic. This may be the only game I pre-order for the foreseeable future.
I usually only pre-order special or collector's editions of games that I'm very hype for since there is no guarantee I'll find that in-store when it comes out. The last time I pre-ordered the standard version of a game was Arkham City back when it came out for the Robin dlc but it was entirely pointless since the copies that were being sold on shelves also had the dlc included.
What ever happened to physical goods? It wasn't even so long ago when they were still giving out real life goodies here in the US.
Lost Planet 2 came with a mini Gordient plush at some retailers, Dead Rising 2 came with a "roll of duct tape" that was actually a T-Shirt. Heck, even "Transformers" for the DS game came with an actual Transformer toy. There's also games like Donkey Kong Country Returns that got a DK Tie in other countries. Whatever happened to all those real life goodies?
@get2sammyb - OK now I'm really curious. Did the J-stars book set you off b/c it was a Game exvlusive?
So far today you had an article about yet another PS3 game remastered on PS4 in GoW3 so you could have gone off on PS4 being the PS3 remaster machine.
You also had an article about the potentially really expensive Batman Season Pass, so you could have gone off on that. To me, all these big games offering a season pass before the game even launches is much worse than any pre-order evil. Any game that has a $40 season pass should be free-to-play.
And you had an article about FFXV not being at E3 despite the demo already being out.
Weird day to go off on pre-oreders.
I pre order all the time.
Always get my games held for me because of it, so when big series sell out in the shops, mine is held behind the counter as nearly every time I buy its after release day due to my working hours, 17 hour days doesnt give me much room for maneuvre!
I dont see a problem personally, I dont care whether I get a certain weapon or character or not, and when I do its a bonus.
And I completely disagree that AAA doesnt sell out.
I have seen it plenty of times that my closest stores are out of stock on major releases, MW3 for example sold out in 24 hours, as did GTA V, Battlefield 3 and Pokemon x/y.
I have been to my local GAME and grabbed my copy of a game that sold out literally hours before, and walked out happy, whilst others have to wait.
But yeah, thats a stupid idea, shouldve not pre ordered and not got a copy instead…
The only time I pre-order games is to gain access to a beta, make sure I secure a copy of a collector's edition for a game I want, or to get a poster or something.
But when it comes to bonus in-game content, I don't really care at all. In fact, I won't pre-order any game I'm skeptical about. I canceled my pre-order with Evolve due to all of that DLC nonsense. And overall, I only pay the minimum amount for pre-orders (like $5), because I'm not putting all my money into anything that hasn't come out yet. So yeah, pre-orders are good when I need them (again, with collector's editions and whatnot), but I typically don't rely on them since they're becoming a problem in a lot of cases. Assassin's Creed Unity, anyone?
Pre-orders are really only valuable for games that do not get major releases--so if it's AAA, there's no reason to pre-order. I tend to only bother with pre-orders if the game is likely to be difficult to find, and even then, I generally pre-order online. So, rarity is about the only reason, unless it's a game I really, really want--and the last two Mortal Kombats are the only titles I preordered and bought season passes. Aside from that, I don't bother.
@rjejr
That Batman Season Pass is freaking awful. That makes the price of the full game $100 already. That's too damn much. I was already annoyed that to access all of Splatoon's on disk content I'd have to pony up $95 for plastic toys that will be impossible to find.
As a whole, I think gamers should stop buying Season Passes or placing pre-orders. I would estimate that 85-95% of the time, it's totally unnecessary. You can still find day-one editions of the last Assassin's Creed in stores. No one needed to preorder that.
@rjejr I've been thinking about since Battlefront, really. The J-Stars thing was just a coincidence.
Ultimately the hype train, cannot be stopped and depending on the company, the need to rinse more coin becomes insatiable. The Evolve game is a prime example.
If done right, or in fact just done with something useful to be had, then fair play, but missing say Goro in MKX, or promoting £175 quids worth of dlc in Evolve is beyond the pale.
The worst part of all this, which grates more so for me, is that in 6-9 months, a title like MK X, will have an ultimate edition and have all the extras for the standard price.. That I find more offensive to customers, as not only have you tried to rinse release day one purchasers, with added extras and DLC at a cost (season pass), ya then rub their noses in it, within a year.
No wonder second hand games won't die like they want and thank Odin for that!
I remember when I had to find out about new games by reading Nintendo Power, Game Pro and EGM. I'm finding it harder and harder to enjoy the buildup to games now that there is a constant barrage of screenshots, videos, interviews, developer diaries, pre-order exclusives, etc. Sure, I could avoid looking at that stuff and avoid the click bait articles, but then there would be no reason for me to visit places like PushSquare, NintendoLife, IGN, and other gaming sites.
@icarusdreams @rjejr Thats why I do it for digital.
Get the pre download so I can jump straight in on release day.
I only pre-order Nintendo games (since they never pull bull like that anyway) and games obscure enough that I actually do worry about stock (I'm a HUGE Hyperdimension Neptunia fan, but I live in a small town with a small gaming scene, so I pre-ordered Neptunia U and Re;Birth 3 because they probably wouldn't even stock those games if I didn't).
I agree with this, though. I never pre-order AAA titles because, as many have said, there's no reason. They never run out of stock.
please watch the language -Tasuki-
I'm more irritated by over inflated DLC's and season passes, they really are the things that take the rip out of people.
It needs to stop or be scaled back. Games dont feel games anymore because of it
Unstable markets, higher production costs and studios going bust on metascores drive this sort of practice, it will end when everything goes digital and there's little easy method of second hand sales.
I only pre-order if it has a decent price discount attached to it. I picked up a Dragon Age game for £28 rather than the £40 retail price.
I have just looked at the Witcher 3 pre-order price of £45 and I think I can wait a while. The Special collector's edition is selling for an eye-watering £139. What on earth do you get for that?
@John_c you get a lot of things and an awesome statue among others. I think they ask for a fair price.
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I'll pre-order ONLY when I'm sure it's a game I'll like or if it's not available digitally. Otherwise, I'll just pick it up locally after a bit of spoil free research.
I USED to pre-order everything I was interested in just so that I could get it day 1. I stopped doing this after Destiny.
Well I literally just came from GameStop, preordered Mad Max. It was my first ever pre-order. I think I can trust titles published by Warner Bros will work Day 1.
The only type of pre-orders i work around are for limited editions.
Other than that, there is literally no point, specially for digital games.
Pre-order incentives have gotten stupid but we're all used to it now after it slowly creeping in.
I only ever pre-order games that i'm super hyped for and that's only because I usually get my goodies a day early from ShopTo.net, Otherwise I'll just pop into my local Asda.
I only ever preorder Nintendo games and that's only because I live in South Africa and the local distributor is so incredibly unreliable that I have sometimes been unable to get games only a couple of months after release.
Preaching to the choir here, I stopped preordering long ago. Heck, I even stopped buying from retailers. I buy nearly all games 2nd hand except for maybe 2 games a year. People are so easily hyped, they preorder a game and sell it within a month because they are disappointed with the product. Which means the 2nd hand market is flooded with cheap copies.
I bought Driveclub from this kid, and when I asked why he was selling it, he said: because I dont like racing games. And he had bought this game himself....purely on hype
Never pre-ordered many games, but like a few have already said, Destiny has put me off doing for good.
I pre-order so i can pay the game off in small increments, helping me buy games new (I have a thing for shrink wrapped new products & a new game in Australia will set you back at least $80) & the majority of the time I am getting a sequel to a game I love or one that I have seen plenty of detail. So for this gen I have pre-ordered: Far Cry 4, Shadow of Mordor, The Order (errrr...) The Witcher 3, Arkham Knight & Metal gear V collectors edition. I enjoyed The Order & got it for $5 more than retail & got the galahad sackboy so as far as it being my biggest error I'm not to sad. Pretty unhappy with the way Netherrealm/Warner is treating DLC though, Injustice & MK X...
The only time I preorder a game is when I want the limited edition. Not a special version that comes with a few extra bits of in game gear or whatever but when a game comes with physical memorabilia like world maps statues cases and other things.
Hey everyone, I preorder at game sometimes because I can pay the game up over time before release. If I want to pay 30 upfront I can or if I want to pay 10 later I can do that aswell instead of handing out 50-60 when I get it.
@get2sammyb - The November Star Wars game that people are pre-ordering now? Yeah, I can see that.
FYI, back in Jan it seemed like you were complaing SCEE didnt have ENOUGH games avsilable for pre-order on PS4. Though Ive read it 3x and though you say pre-rder I think you were mostly annoyed about the lack of pre-download availability compared to the NA market. Pre-order bad, pre-download good.
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2015/01/what_the_hecks_going_on_with_playstation_store_pre-orders_in_europe
Sammy is right but Pre-ordering is fine when the publisher actual throws in good incentives which is rare these days.
I pre ordered the Castle of Illusion remake when it was released on PS3, the bonus was an M2 emulated version of the Megadrive game for PS3, that was one time it was worth it!
@FullbringIchigo exactly this, my local GAME is useless, times many I have walked in on launch day and been met with blank expressions when I ask if they have x game in. So if I want it on launch day I preorder, but not from Amazon, because their local logistics choice is dire and always manages to take 3 attempts to deliver, if at all, despite being in when they "attempt".
Outside of that I try to shop around for best price, and don't mind used game's.
Why should i listen to you instead?
Preordering isnt an issue it stupid fycking season passes and withholding game assets for further dlc that is. But people keep putting up with that tho
@get2sammyb Get in Sammy. That was a brilliant article. Who wouldn't wait for you guys to review a game first? Lets take note and vote with our wallets.
Great article Sammy and I agree with everything you said, yet I keep on pre ordering. I don't do it for the lousy pre order DLC or to get a copy on day 1, I do it for the price of games. For some reason pre ordering a game is pretty cheap here and I usually save €10- €15 on a game and sometimes even more.
There is always at least one retailer who decides to drop the preorder prices and I always take advantage of that. Apart from the actual cost of the consoles, gaming doesn't cost me that much: I buy a game for €45 - €50 and the moment it comes out prices go up with the more popular titles. I play the game and sell it on the local online marketplace for about the same money as I bought it.
Currently I've got 3 nintendo games preordered for nice prices, Forza 6 for €42, Arkham Knight for €44 and the Witcher special edition for €50. If I were to wait till prices drop to those regions the games will be months old.
Preorders usually mean paying full price for games, so publishers love that. They can also brag with their first week sales figures.
Since games now tend not to work, to be overhyped and to lose value and drop prices months after release, I don't preorder anything anymore. Not even from Nintendo, the only dev I trust to pay $60 on day 1. In those cases I just get the game on release day from the eShop.
@Apczak
Too right man....absolutely no need for it. Publishers are taking the piss.
All we want is the game, the full game on the disk or in the download....none of this unlocking content nonsense.
Pre ordering is pointless beyond comprehension.
Having said that, I still voted "preorder a few times a year". Reason? I'll spend one day putting orders through for games I'm very likely to buy in launch week, and then I just forget about it and Amazon handles payment and shipping without any hassle.
However, I am no longer going to do that because publishers see even my behaviour as more evidence for making the pre order culture even more prominent.
Wish we could all as gamers stop pre ordering and just order on launch day instead and forego the honestly crappy "bonuses" they throw us. If it's not locked on-disc content, it's silly clothes/skins, in game money that kind of takes the fun out of the gameplay, or access to another broken beta who will just open up to everyone 3 days later. Seriously, when did we all become so caught up in this BS!?
I usually preorder games just so I can have the game turn up on launch day at my house so I can play it for relatively cheap and not have to run out to Asda (the only place in my town that sells games) to get it.
However recently I've begun to only order Nintendo games because Asda won't sell them, too many broken games, too much DLC, too many season passes.
I have pre-ordered over 10 titles on PS4 with no problems. I am not charged until I receive it. So while i have the order in I am not buying it until day one when i receive it.Some titles I got a $10 reward cash back at Best Buy. All are shipped to my door. I receive them on launch day. Free shipping on Amazon.com While I have a pre-order in I can cancel it right up to the day before it ships.
I will be slowing down on buying games now that I have a few sale games I picked up and haven't started on. I will be picking up more that are a few months old and $10-$20 off.
I tend to pre-order a few games a year and those are Limited Edition versions. The next game I am due ti get is Batman: Arkham Knight with a 12" Batman statue, Comic, Artbook and Steelbook case - I believe it is now sold out. I have pre-ordered Black Ops 3 so I can try out the Beta and if its as good as I think it will be, I will upgrade to the inevitable hardened edition.
I pre-order from places like Amazon that never take a deposit, and will try and deliver on the day of release. They only take the money when the game is dispatched too.
I never pre-order a standard edition generally unless there is a very good price and/or I want to play it on the day it comes out as I don't get out to the shops. I certainly don't care for cosmetic 'extras' that are often the incentives because they serve no real function. I do like Limited Editions, Steelbooks, Artbooks etc so I do tend to pre-order these to ensure I can get one.
I pre-order rarely, and the few times that I do it's either a
A: Collector's Edition of a game.
or
B: Nintendo game that I know will be in limited stock later on.
I only pre order amiibos.
I never pre-order cos I'm a tight gamer with a gf and a budget for gaming. I'm mega happy when I see my £40 buy 3x secondhand games 6 months later rather then £40 on one game.
I rarely pre-order anymore. The only games I do preorders for really are Nintendo games, but I do pre-order from developers I feel I can 100% trust, such as CD Project Red and the majority of Sony's 1st Party developers. I used to pre-order everything I was interested in, but then it became frustrating when the game turned out to be a turd, because THEN I would have to drive to my nearest Gamestop 25 minutes away to get my money back. I agree though, that this pre-order bonus crap needs to stop. I'm fine with physical pre-order bonuses, like collectors items that don't jack the price up too high, but in game stuff is just stupid. It's kinda like those that don't pre-order are being punished by having some content cut or inaccessible in their copy of the game.
I have mixed feelings on pre orders. I wish i would have pre ordered gta v and far cry 4 as they were both totally sold out by me on launch day so when i went to the local stores i was left empty handed. I have pre ordered witcher 3 digitally so it can load to my ps4 for me and it is ready to go day 1
I don't feel like you're valued as a pre-order consumer - in recent times it feels like those who pre-order or Day 1 purchase are seen as guinea pigs to test the game for issues, before they release a patch. So essentially, you're paying top money to (in many cases) test a game that will subsequently need to be patched, by which time it will have gone down in cost.
I think i am not a gaming mug i.e i don't pre-order games & i don't buy DLC & i don't buy season passes to.
I only tend to preorder games because I don't have a game store close-by and I wan't certain games on release day. So I have to go with online shops.
That being said, I've become very picky as to which games I preorder.
The Witcher 3 for instance I have on preorder right now.
And I tend to do the same with Naughty Dog games, certain series from Koei Tecmo and just about everything from Nintendo.
As long as I don't feel a company is treating me like dirt (or a cash cow and nothing more) I have no problem doing this.
On the other hand, certain company are on my sh**list. EA, Ubisoft, MS without a doubt from the Xbone reveal on, and now Konami for instance.
@Quorthon - "That makes the price of the full game $100 already."
I know you just can't wait until Lego Dimensions releases.
It's actually available to pre-order now for $99.99 on Amazon. Along w/ all the expensive add-ons. It's only $200 total. All Day 1 DLC on disc
Don't go on Baltimore on me now, just joshin.
http://smile.amazon.com/b/ref=amb_link_432037922_3?ie=UTF8&node=11090984011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=hero-quick-promo&pf_rd_r=0H7ZDKJ4DQR1FG9AHKGE&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=2083302802&pf_rd_i=B00VMB5VCI
I will give Amazon this - you can pre-order a game from them but not pay until it ships, and basically cancel at any time before then. So I guess pre-ordering from them makes some sense.
I pre-ordered Witcher3, which was my first pre in many years. If W3 gets delayed, I'll happily go back to not pre-ordering again - ever.
I generally pre-order every game I buy. I don't do it for bonuses, I guess I just think of it as layaway. Instead of just dropping 60 bucks every time a new game comes out, I pre-order it, then go back every couple weeks or so and drop 10 bucks here or 20 there, and by the time the game comes out it's fully paid for. Pre-order bonuses are just a side effect of that.
I preorder all my games through amazon, the preorder guarantee gives me a price usually $5-$10 less than anywhere else, the games I buy are more often than not niche meaning they rarely go on sale and I can view gameplay videos as they've been out for 6+ months already in japan.
It just makes sense in my particular case.
@ToOGoodOfAPlaya I dunno, dude - if GAME don't have it, then you can bet Tesco or somewhere else will. Depends on your location, of course.
@joseth418 I hadn't thought about people who pay off in increments. I think that's quite a nice way of doing things. Of course, you could also put the money aside in a money box or something - but I guess there's always the temptation to spend it that way.
@rjejr I think I was more complaining about pre-loads in that article. You have a sharp memory, though.
@rockman29 That's fair. It's just annoying to see 'Pre-Order Now' pop up on a game that's received a CG trailer at most.
@viciousarcanum You don't have to.
For me it's simple. If I know I'm going to buy a game anyway, I pre-order it. Yeah, I more than likely would have have no trouble getting the latest AAA release but pre-ordering helps out my friends who work at Gamestop and I don't give a damn about retail exclusive pre-orders. If I miss out on some silly side mission or a certain character skin, it doesn't bother me. Now that said, like anybody else there are times where I'll draw a line. If a publisher is ever insane enough to start leaving out vital story content, in the worst case scenario the ending, I will not pre-order said game. I could see WB trying to to pull that some day. I don't think what's gone on with MK X is that bad but charging $40 for a Batman: Arkham Knight season pass, I'm interested to see what story content that entails and if any of it is hugely important stuff that should've been in the $60 game.
@get2sammyb - "It's just annoying to see 'Pre-Order Now' pop up on a game that's received a CG trailer at most."
You can pre-order Lego Dimensions on Amazon and all we've seen of that game is a grown man playing w/ blocks.
It's ONLY £340 for the game and all the Day 1 DLC. (My math may be off, but you get the idea.)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/b/ref=amb_link_187884127_3?ie=UTF8&node=5106882031&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=hero-quick-promo&pf_rd_r=14T32STYVKPNR5C423XS&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=611562527&pf_rd_i=B00VJWS2LC
@rjejr Exactly. Absolutely disgusting. I get that they have a product to sell, but how about actually showing us what it is before getting all your pre-order nonsense up.
@get2sammyb - I'm guessing they'll show it off at E3, along w/ Skylanders 5 and DI 3.0 Star Wars edition. (Well not them, Activision and Disney respectively.)
And speaking of E3, it's late, go to bed, tomorrows another day.
I put preorder bonuses right there as the same kind of evil season passes and kicking puppies. It drives me nuts when some content is locked to me because I happen to have picked up a game at the wrong retailer.
Admittedly, I preorder every single game I buy. Reason? I know I want the game, And I know I'm going to buy the game, so I'd much rather pay for it now and not have to worry about budgeting for when it comes out. Maybe if I only owned 1 system it wouldn't be that bad, but when you own 5 systems the amount of games you have to keep track of can become mind boggling.
With that said, I now take extreme precaution with every single game I buy. I make sure I KNOW I want it first. After getting burned with AC Unity and The Order 1886, I decided I don't want to waste anymore money on games that are either broken or just flat out not that good. At the VERY least, not buy them day one at full MSRP.
So when it comes to AAA multiplat releases now, I actually don't really buy that many of them anymore. I'm getting Witcher 3 and Arkham Knight, but that's about it...
I wait a few days after a game's release before I buy it. That way I can go on YouTube and see how good or bad it really is. I want to know everything about a product before I buy it.
To me preordering is sort of a layaway. I find out the release date of a certain title that I like and come in to the store and put a couple of dollars on the game whenever I have a few extra bucks. Saves me the hurt of dropping the full amount when a title releases lol.
in the crazy world of AAA games dropping to $20 in less than a year I find it hard to preorder anything anymore. the only reason I ever did it was to guarantee a copy
I'll always pre order games that I want and know will sell out for the first week as not to be disappointed. I can't count the amount of times that I have been waiting for a game for ages, got really excited only to find it missing from the store(s) shelf.
I also refuse to buy games from PSN and Xbox Live stores when I can get them cheaper at retail. Why would I pay £55 for a game like The Order 1886 when I cannot trade it and wouldn't want to keep it after finishing.
Tesco's, Argos and ASDA sold out of Mortal Kombat X in the stores near me.
i have only ever pre ordered one game and paid in full for it 2 days before the release the store closed down burning me and a lot of other people since then never pre ordered and have no intention of doing so
Its easy for me, for example batman arkham knight batmobile edition, like other collectors editions people preorder to make sure they have a copy or to be one of many to get their hands on it. Now that bat mobile edition is sold out, i do have this preordered but i feel if you want these things you need to preorder. I dislike these deals with different companies offering game only limited edition games, its all for money and competition but i dont believe they should do this. I like the incentives if you preorder we will give you double points or other little things. Thing is they bring these games out now claiming you need to preorder this game to gain access to added extras, but you find out another person didnt preorder and still gets the same deal. I will continue to preorder as i can secure my copies of the editions i want, sometimes you never know once they have sold out will it all be gone and never to return
Sucks to say this but I have been pre-ordering just to receive content that will not be in the game otherwise unless you do so. I am taking a stand for any new games in the future that I have an interest in and not pre-order. I can get the game the day of release, but this is becoming big issue just as DLC is beginning to as well. Companies & retailers are taking advantage of this.
If I'm going to get a new release I always pre-order, but only from Best Buy and for a very good reason.
I have their Gamers Club Unlocked. It costs me $30 for 2 years and with it I get 20% off any new game including new releases. Also pre-ordering gets me a $10 reward certificate that I can use on anything in the store. So my net cost for a $60 game is $38 plus tax. Seems worth it to me!
I'm a big fan of physical swag as a thank-you to the early buyers that bear the brunt of making a game's money back (before it goes on perpetual sale for a tenner), but holding pieces of the actual game itself hostage is pretty rotten. Not to say it doesn't work... we can't all be Liam Neeson when it comes to dealing with hostage crises.
I don't pre-order games. There's no point when they'll just became 50%-75% off in 1-2 years usually.
@Scorpio73 u said exactly what I said, it makes sence to be able to pay it up rather than being hit with 60 upfront, bonus stuff etc isnt a big deal for me as I think everything we get "extra" now should have been in the game anyway
I occasionally pre-order games, but only certain ones that I'm excited about. I'm not suckered by ridiculous DLC or trinkets because most of the core game is already there. So I just side-step all of that.
Also, online retailers sometimes ship out a game a day or so early and offer discount prices. And at the very worst, the game you're excited about turns up early in the morning on the day of release! Also, some indie developers will have cheap deals on their games for pre-order (ones that aren't early access).
However, the practice of offering on-disc DLC and things like "skins" for Triple A games, is bringing out the worst money hungry aspects of publishing and it has quickly turned into grotesque circus. And at the moment it seems like WB Interactive are the creepy clowns.
If i know i am going to buy a game i always pre order from the PSN Store, get bonus content also prices are often better than the local store (Ireland), but the big bonus is as my son also has a ps4 we can both get a digital copy for the price of one disc and can play multiplayer together...its a no brainer for us! Also the Store has some fantastic sales if your patient. To be honest the disc IMHO is dead.....or dying..just a matter of time....
Nowt wrong with preorders. This is your hobby, if you wanna get fully into some pre-release hype more power to you.
I preorder mostly everything, because of 2 reasons. 1 I do a lot of trade in and the credit just gets dumped on whatever I'm sure I'm going to buy next. 2 I like to support Gamestop and hate buying games from a big box like Best Buy.
@rjejr
Baltimore? Does that qualify as a "too soon?"
I've always enjoyed Legos, but not Lego games, and certainly not anything that requires spending oodles more on extra toys just to use certain features. It's a gimmick that will be burned out before this generation is over. Just like "plastic instrument games" were last generation. Yeah, we're seeing a small creep back to them--another try--but the genre still collapsed for a while.
These plastic toy games will also collapse this generation. Skylanders, Infinity, Amiibo, Legos, and I'm betting we'll see another one show up from somewhere else. Hey, you know who has a huge catalog of cartoon franchises that haven't been turned into plastic toy-games yet? Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, and Warner Bros.
I would not be surprised at all to see at least one more of these things occur to coincide with everyone just getting sick of them. I would estimate around 2017~2018.
@Quorthon - Nick already has one for TMNT. There's also Power Rangers and DC Comics. 1 guess which company makes them. (Hint: initials are JP.)
They probably are a fad, unless PS5 and Xbox 2 (4?) controllers have NFC built in. I see them sticking around b/c retailers need them. Gamestop,Target, TRU, Walmart etc can't survive otherwise in an all digital videogame landscape. Toys are the new DLC and I'll believe they're done when they're done. Kids love toys and collectors love collectibles. Plates, Hummel figures, coins, stamps, beanie babies, people love stuff.
@rjejr
Ahh, well the TMNT one isn't on consoles... yet. Which is probably why I didn't notice it--but there you go, I guess that leaves Cartoon Network and Warner Bros.
There's even a version of this for Transformers right now, but you buy actual "fun" toys, scan a sticker on them, and--per my understanding--use the character in a mobile game then. It just uses visible emblems over RFID. The Transformers themselves are not particularly impressive, in my opinion--and this is my other expensive hobby besides gaming. I have untold numbers of these things, but the game-related figures are of a design I don't really care for. Grimlock looks ridiculous. I put "fun" in quotes for this reason. Most Transformers are fun, but not the lame "easy switch" figures from the last movie, and these things look cheap. The Combiner Wars figures on the other hand--holy crap are they impressive.
I think, even if MS and Sony do built-in RFID technology next time around, I think these things are still a fad--like most things of this nature--with a limited life expectancy. I don't necessarily think retail outlets need them, though. They take up way more space than video games for a fraction of the revenue, and this year, the PS4 and XBO will be settling into their groove, which means way more games will be filling out those retail spaces.
My girlfriend and I noticed yesterday that the PS4 and XBO are finally starting to push the PS3 and X360 games out in places like Target. This year will be the first in a solid 3~5 years of PS4 and XBO gaming and library growth. Suffice to say, there will be plenty to fill shelf spaces at those retailers once these toys reach their inevitable wall of backlash.
I still would not be surprised to see at least one more major title appear to compete with Skylanders, Legos, Infinity and maybe Amiibos (though they don't have the same draw and I think they're going to feature a much shorter shelf space for a few reasons) before the fad crashes--like motion controls and plastic instruments did last generation.
It'll be quiet again for these things, and then there will be something else. Maybe, next generation, someone will test the waters again with a new franchise or revival--like Guitar Hero and Rock Band are getting now--but their popularity is going to be short-lived.
That's always how it goes for these things--fads. Maybe then VR will take over as the cool fad. Hell, VR may actually help topple the fad of the toys-to-games. Or games-to-life, or however the hell they're being classified. "Stupid plastic toy games one day guaranteed to fill garage sales, second-hand stores, and discount bins."
@Quorthon - You make a really good point about PS4 and X1 being so new they could outlive NFC toys. W/ Wii U seemingly near it's end after the NX announcement I forget those other 2 are still fairly new, and the NFC toys could be gone before next-next-next gen even gets announced. I sill think they're here to stay as a genre though.
Guitar Hero and Rock Band weren't the first instrument games, there was maracas and bongos before they came along, so plastic instruments may be more cyclical then a finished fad, especially if you consider Karaoke type games w/ mics to be part of that type of game. Even Wii U has 1 of those in the EU.
Not saying every game coming out will require toys, just that there will always be games w/ optional toys as accessories. Skylanders and Disney Infinity will fade, amibo is more a collectible than DLC still - Splatoon seems to change that a little - but Lego could have legs. Sure all those packages cost $200 in the US and $340 in the EU, but if you purchased every Chima set or Ninjago set or LotR set you'ld probably be well over $500. Maybe close to $1,000. (We have about $1,000 worth of Skyalnders games and toys.) People never seem to get enough of Legos. And 1 Lego Mindstorm set is $350.
As for VR, I don't get it as a legitimate gaming platform. Stadiums, amusement parks, maybe on a cruise ship, yes, but not for the home.
Reminds me of Sony's last big "thing", 3D displays. They didn't do so well.
@NathanUC Same here. I pre-ordered and cancelled 'The order 1886' several times and finally didn't buy it. That game itself is a good example of all that's wrong with the pre-order palava.
Here's some useful info ripped from a BBC site on how people sell us all kinds of crap:
3. Create illusion of demand: Another trick is to make it seem like a product is being snapped up by others. In their bestselling book YES!: 50 Scientifically Proven Ways to Be Persuasive, Robert Cialdini, Noah Goldstein and Steve Martin open with an anecdote about Colleen Szot, who they describe as “one of the most successful writers” in infomercials. Szot famously changed the call to action in her infomercials from: “Operators are waiting, please call now!” to: “If operators are busy, please call again.” The subtle change capitalised on something called “social proof” – a principle that says we look to others to inform our own decisions – and led to an increase in sales.
When there is a limited supply of products, showing that other people are buying the product can also emphasise the notion of scarcity, something that we seem very sensitive to. Simply put, we hate missing out on unique opportunities, even when the opportunity is not really unique at all.
In another set of experiments, Burger and his colleague David Caldwell demonstrated that people are more likely to act if they perceive they have a unique opportunity to do so. In one study, for example, participants spent time evaluating products that are typically sold on US college campuses, including an insulated travel mug. Afterwards, with the study apparently over, the researchers mentioned to the participants that the mugs were actually on sale at a reduced price. Some of the participants were simply encouraged to hand over money – but others were told that the mugs were in short supply and that they could only buy one if they drew a qualifying ticket from a hat. In reality, all of the tickets were marked with a symbol that qualified the participants to buy a mug. Sure enough, the ‘lottery’ participants were more likely to offer to buy a mug.
4. Spread benefits, bundle costs: Broadcast in the late 1970s and early 1980s, the Ginsu Knife infomercial was one of the first to use the ‘But wait! There’s more!’ technique, by offering a carving fork, six-in-one kitchen tool, set of steak knives and spiral slicer in addition to the now famous knife. It’s an example of spreading “gains” over time. If you were told of all the benefits at once, the sell would be less effective. That’s not the case when it comes to paying though. While gains are best spread out, we prefer to experience our losses all at once. An example of how salespeople exploit this might include a car salesman who tries to sell you something extra for the car at the time of your purchase. They know the best time to persuade you to spend $200 is when you’re already committed to spending significantly more.
5. Induce a feeling of obligation: Studies have also demonstrated that when people receive a favour from someone, they feel obligated to reciprocate in some way – what social scientists refer to as the “norm of reciprocity”.
This feeling can be strong. In a 2006 study, Burger and his colleagues found people are more likely to grant a second request even after they had already reciprocated a favour, at least for a short period.
“Of course, as a heuristic, or rule of thumb, returning favours is a beneficial thing to do,” says Burger. “The problem arises when this rule of thumb is exploited.”
Again, salespeople have learned how to use these behaviours to their advantage.
“A lot of times, salespeople go through extra effort for you and go through all sorts of gestures, because they know it will be really hard for you to later say no. People feel bad taking something for free or somebody’s time and effort without paying them back in some way,” says Burger. “It can be a trick – and the feeling of obligation is very hard to fight.”
@Quorthon Got this email from Gamestop this morning. Are you sure those toys are going away
http://form.e.gamestop.com/ats/msg.aspx?sg1=53c1a6ce8b8d7cb5891d7ccaf2e6fb67
I never pre-order, with one exception, Metal Gear Solid releases.
I only pre-order limited or special editions, things that I worry will sell out. NIS America releases or maybe Atlus releases. I generally don't pre-order other things.
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