All the way back at the start of 2018, Sony confirmed that it would eventually be removing PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita titles from PlayStation Plus. This meant that beginning in March 2019, PS Plus subscribers would only gain access to two free PlayStation 4 games each month. Granted, the PS3 and Vita offerings had become incredibly stale for the most part, but there was no denying that the subscription had lost value. Even if you never touched the PS3 and Vita lineups, you were still paying the same amount of money for fewer games.
Still, many were optimistic -- including ourselves. We figured that Sony must be increasing the overall quality of the PS4 freebies in order to make up for the reduced amount of included games, and when March 2019's PS Plus lineup was revealed, our optimism seemed justified. Subscribers got Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered, and The Witness -- two highly rated titles deserving of their accolades.
However, one month later the quality took an obvious dip. The Surge and Conan Exiles were April 2019's offerings -- not terrible games, but certainly not great either. Roll on to May, where we got Overcooked and What Remains of Edith Finch. A return to more highly rated titles, but without sounding mean, neither was the kind of blockbuster addition that most subscribers wanted to see.
This was evidenced by the backlash that quickly followed May's announcement. PlayStation's official YouTube channels and social media accounts were absolutely battered with criticism -- it was the kind of PS Plus outrage that we hadn't seen in a long time.
June's lineup simply had to appease the masses, and fortunately for Sony, it did -- at least to some extent. Borderlands: The Handsome Collection and Sonic Mania were a return to form of sorts, but in hindsight, they only served to set subscribers up for future disappointment.
Right now, at the time of writing, the backlash is, er, back, and it's arguably bigger than ever. Yesterday, Sony revealed July 2019's PS Plus lineup, and to say that it hasn't gone down well is a severe understatement. Next month's selection includes PES 2019: Pro Evolution Soccer, and Horizon Chase Turbo. It's another case of getting two good games that just don't have mass appeal. Not everyone likes soccer (forgive us for not writing football), and while Horizon Chase Turbo is fun, it's never going to be enough to satisfy subscribers when it's sat alongside a divisive sports sim.
From where we're sitting, PlayStation Plus needs an overhaul. Now look, £50 a year for online play, 24 "free" PS4 games, access to cloud storage, and a bunch of regular discounts on the PlayStation Store is still pretty good value. The real issue lies in the fact that PS Plus used to offer more for less -- and again, this problem has been amplified by the removal of PS3, Vita, and even PSVR titles.
All the way back in 2016, the price of PS Plus was increased in the US and Canada. A year later, the same thing happened in Europe. At the time, the price hikes were, as you'd expect, not well received, but again, many thought that Sony would be adding some extra value to the service. That was never really the case, though. While PS Plus members have received added benefits over the years -- increased cloud storage, for example, arrived earlier this year -- many would argue that the price increase has never really been justified.
With the PS5 on the horizon, PS Plus could do with a refresh. In March, Sony revealed that over 36 million users are subscribed to PS Plus, and the PlayStation Network itself makes the company an absurd amount of money. In 2018, the PSN generated more profit than the entirety of Nintendo. It's clear that Sony needs to keep people invested in its online economy -- and PS Plus is a gateway to that economy. We're not saying that Sony's about to ruin its success if it doesn't reshape PS Plus as a service, but it'd do well to carry the momentum of this console generation forward into the next as efficiently as it possibly can.
And that's really the crux of this whole argument. With the PS4 at the forefront, Sony has gone from strength to strength since the console launched in 2013. Its only sticking points have come in the form of perception. The company's been labelled the bad guy when it comes to cross-platform play, and now, PS Plus is starting to raise a similar stink. It's a burden that the Japanese giant simply doesn't want to shoulder as we head into the next generation -- a revised PS Plus could work wonders, assuming that Sony gets it right. It could be something of a clean slate for a service that many have grown weary of.
Do you think PlayStation Plus needs an overhaul? What would you like to see from the service in the future? What would you add to it? Vote in our poll, and then share your thoughts in the comments section below.
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I think 3 games a month would go some way in making more people happy. But something tells me they're planning to cruise to the PS5 release where it will be 4 games a month again.
I would say that we should be offered a PSVR game as well as the 2 ps4 games. Not only that, maybe a free stream of a PS3 game on PS Now until the PS5 is released too?
To be honest I don't care about he games. I would prefer if they lowered the price or offer discounts day one on new games or on psn preorders.
I went to the Sony blog and looked at the comments for July’s PS+ offerings. It’s pretty much universal disappointment with many threats to cancel their subscription. I say let those who are unsatisfied cancel their subscription if they are not just making empty threats. If Sony sees a noticeable decline in PS+ subscribers, they will be forced to make adjustments.
But personally, I don’t see why they haven’t added 1 PSVR title per month for a total of 3 games. Even for those who don’t own a PSVR, it’s nice to get a small library going, and probably makes it more likely for someone to eventually purchase a PSVR if they have a good collection of games already waiting for it. It doesn’t have to be the biggest VR titles that they give out.
5-6 games a month is the way to go. While a soccer game should never happen, Turbo would be fine if they had 3-4 PS4 game and 1-2 PSVR games. It’s just bad, and I knew this would happen.
@TuckNorris85 @deepspace5d Offering a PSVR game is not going to placate the backlash. Remember the Days of play that was almost all VR titles? People were complaining.
Also, the money is also for infrastructure, and making PSN more stable is great.
With the launch of PS5 we could see a rise of the number of games offered in IGC.
PS Now is not going to be added to PS+ because PS Now is treated as a different platform (you don't need PS+ to play multiplayer games in PS Now, for example).
Merge it with PSNOW and it's all good!
Offer 2 or 3 good games to the service per month and we will all be glad.
@HungryWolf I think it would help in adding value to the subscription if a third PSVR title is given out monthly in addition to the two PS4 games already being given. Days of Play being all about PSVR is not really the same thing. This would just be an extra PSVR in addition to whats already being given on PS4.
It’s certainly not going to please everyone but it would be one more game being given, it would show that Sony is giving out games for all their current-gen platforms again, and it would add value to the service.
I wouldn't say desperate really. It does need a refresh with ps5 launch and probably will. Theres not even a debate or anyone arguing against it.
@deepspace5d That's why I would prefer more and better discounts as something to add value to the subscription. While one more game would give the illusion of more value, for me, that not adding value, is just one more game I won't play.
After all, the total value of the games offered in July is 49€.
none of the above, I'd like online gaming to be free or just offer a cheaper sub just for online gaming.
I've always said they should allow you to vote for 2 games from a list of about 5 or 6 each month and whichever 2 games get the most votes get given away
If Sony are smart, they'll do exactly what's been done on this page and invite structured feedback from PS+ subscribers, then implement the feedback. That feedback loop should then be an ongoing process.
The landscape is constantly evolving, so this requires an approach from Sony that will embraces and leverage it to offer the most compelling offering to its loyal customers.
@HungryWolf Maybe you wouldn’t play it. I’m sure owners of PSVR probably would. And like I said before, it creates a growing library that would make a PSVR purchase more appealing for those who do not own one yet.
In my opinion, Sony is already doing fine with the discounts. They have a new sale every week, with frequent flash sales as well. Many games are heavily discounted. I think they are doing fine in that area.
Something has to be done by the PS5 launch. But that's still 12-18mo ths away.
They just had PS+ on sale for $39.99 for 2 weeks, And a lot of people bought it over the holidays, so they really don't have to worry or are for another year.
People will keep paying for it on PS5 it's required for one remember.
Do what xbox has done and link ps now amd plus into one payment
Decrease the price, remove the «free» games. I buy all the games I want to play, and don’t want to pay extra for a limited time rental of random games.
Or: Offer a PS+ Light/Mini, with reduced price and online gaming only as an alternative.
PS+ should offer a selection of PS4 and PSVR games each month and allow members to choose two or three games from the collection.
they need 2 AA games and 2 Indies games a moth.word up son
Personally I think they are doing this to keep the cost of PS5 down , they need to make the money elsewhere but when PS5 launches I’d expect we would get 4 again
@rjejr 39$ plus for 2 weeks 😄 hahaha.you still drinking Wilkins ☕ coffee.you mean for 2 years 40$ ps plus not 2 weeks.it makes no sense playa.word up son
I didn't re-subscribe after the first year, If I'd felt there was a month since then that would have been worth it I would have, but it's been pretty terrible for anyone who only has it for the games, doesn't play online multiplayer or otherwise buy or play digital games.
@playstation1995 Read it again. The PS summer sale lasted two weeks, PS+ was on sale during the summer sale, hence PS+ was on sale for 2 weeks.
Maybe you need to start drinkin' Wilkins Coffee. ☕
At this point with the prices increase they should do away with the games and merge it with now
some days ago they emailed me offers for some retail stores
With the way Xbox services are being folded in together, I really think the future of these services is a combination of free game downloads with streaming. So integration of PS Now makes sense.
But people should realize that the new service that Xbox is starting which is Games with Gold together with the Games Pass program is $15 a month I think. So we are not likely to be able to just add on PS Now and keep paying $3.33 per month (which is what I pay for PS Plus because I buy a full year during one of the sales for $40 per year)
Yep price has gone up, value gone down.
Meanwhile all competitors offers are improving making PS+ look progressively worse...
@Bad-MuthaAdebisi agreed! Just let me buy an online play subscription only, for less money. I don’t care about free games, I have precious little free HD space. They just need to offer different choices for subscription—let us choose what we want for our PS plus service. Are you listening Sony???
@rjejr I taught you say a ps ➕ card .word up son
@Bad-MuthaAdebisi I agree, although id still want plus discounts and cloud saving. I rarely play any of the plus games.
@QualityGeezer They did that and people still weren't happy because it was only indie games on offer.
I don't think those voting "better games" make a good argument because it's very subjective, to some PES is better then Borderlands etc.
Worth mentioning that Xbox's GWG has been on a decline as well. It's possible that having that these type of services are on the way out without some kind of overhaul.
The problem is they can't just merge it with Now cos it's more expensive and it's not available everywhere. I know Sony are looking to push it more but I just hope they don't start putting their exclusives on it day 1 cos that's going effect retail sales.
Should have left vita games in.
This months offering was strong. The last few months have been strong.
People expect too much because of that excellent period on ps3 where it was AAAs all the time - it was never going to sustain.
I think they should have kept one vita and added a third ps4. When you take away numbers you’ll always get a backlash but I think for a while a long while the games were far worse than we have had in last six months.
18 months with no sub over here!
I haven't had PS Plus for a long time, I only plan to renew it so I can play Monster Hunter World again. The Free games on offer are almost always terrible and the discounts aren't anything special.
@outsiderlookingn That would cost way more money, cos Sony would have to pay for those 5 or 6 games, it's why they did cross buy games back in the day.
I am honestly starting to wonder if there's more at play here than simply Sony not really trying/being cheapskates. Like what? Like a certain competitor having contracts with third parties which are preventing their better games coming to the service. Let's be honest, it wouldn't be the first time they'd resorted to such tactics.
It needs to be remembered that Sony can't just stick what they want on the store - they need to have permission from the publisher. If they can't get permission for whatever reason, their hands are tied. That said, they have a number of their own games which they could offer but haven't as yet.
Personally, I still think it's reasonable value. I never took any PS3 or Vita games, so their removal was no real loss. I've been subscribing annually at a reduced rate thanks to Amazon's Black Friday deals, and am currently subbed until (I think) mid-2021.
That being said, it needs an overhaul, and there are several things they could do.
1. Offer a third game. Though it would have to be of a higher perceived quality... and of course, that is subjective.
2. As I've mentioned many times before, offer a couple of free movie rentals for those who don't want the games. The rentals would need to be any movie though, and not a preselected list.
3. Offer store-wide discounts. i.e. you can get 10% of anything and everything you buy, instead of the titles they select.
4. Offer a tiered membership, where you can step up or down each month, but where you keep access to games even if you step down. For example:
If you drop from L or XL to S or M, you keep access to games obtained from the higher levels.
And for 'behind the scenes' things, I'd like play time to be publicly available, and a public trophy API so we can pull and use our info on our own sites/social media.
Have always said that I would like an option to just have online gaming, seperate from the games, at a lower price, so that I don't have to pay £50 a year just to play online, which is all I really want.
For the people that keep mentioning the suggestion of merging ps plus with ps now. Im all for it,but just 1 huge problem, ps now is still not available in many countries,including mine.
The problem with merging it with ps now, is that the service isn't that widespread (never been offered in australia & given our internet here, might be a good thing). Their coverage may change with the MOU with Azure/MS but it sounds like its very much a W.I.P. They want to expand ps now,but it'll take time.
I don't necessarily have an issue with new release indie title(s), being part of the makeup,but that won't necessarily be everyone's cup of tea.
I've held onto plus primarily for certain ps3/ps4 games that were released more so a while ago than in more recent times...still have full version of ps3 scott pilgrim though I doubt I'll ever beat it!
Otherwise have used the sale discounts rather than online, but haven't seen as many of them in recent times either.
It's EASY really, just call it - PlayStation Minus I nearly re-joined PS PLUS last week when it was £35 for the year but I hardly game online so it's pointless me bothering and I am very picky about my games and only am bothered about the games I really want and not the random games PS PLUS gets each month. I still feel it's a good deal tho but add maybe a few PS NOW Games to each month might be cool.
Online play should be free like the PC. 'Plus' bonuses should come then on a multi-tiered system. Give people more flexibility.
My Plus ran out a few months ago and I've not renewed it on principle because they've not added anything of significant value to replace what they've taken away, so it kind of feels like Sony have grown complacent about the loyalty of their playerbase once again. I'm not a frequent online gamer, but I prefer to have the option there, so I'd like to have a cheaper sub option for if you just want an online play only Plus membership with the lower 10gb cloud saving capacity, with a higher price option available if you want to tie the current Plus offerings in with a PS Now membership too. Regarding the exclusive discounts, there are so many great PSN sales available to non-members nowadays that the exclusive discounts are no longer anything special for me as I can just wait a few months until a title is in a non-exclusive sale.
i'd prefer to do away with the monthly games, but keep everything else, for a reduced fee. though i've yet to pay more than £35 for a year's subscription, less than the cost of a high street chain coffee per month when you analyse it. some people just want the earth for nothing.
there are probably people who don't ever play online, but would like the other features including the monthly games without feeling they're paying for something they don't use. two or three different tiers is probably the way to go.
Give a option to just pay for online only (or just make it free like it was!), We then don't have to worry about every month if the games are garbage or not.
Merge with psnow would be my choice plus a new indie with the two games we are getting. I've topped up to December 2020 in the recent sale but it's a while since I've been online. As it stands, I wont be renewing
Sony need to do something about the PS+, the xbox offering are so much better.
The Xbox Game pass releases brand new games and first party titles.
with the decision to switch ps5/xbox2(3?) coming up, people will look at the running costs of the console aswell.
Compared to microsoft gamepass psplus is a joke now, from psplus in ps3 era where we can get uncharted 3 or cool indie games like hotline miami to this
I want better games (more is useless if it's a bad games), more and bigger ps store discount.
I've stopped buying games on the Playstation network out of fear that they'll appear on ps+ next month
I can't be the only one
This month is actually okay for me, but that's all it's been for a while now - okay. When was the last month when I thought "Great, what a month!"
I think Sony are trying to cruise to the PS5's release, as @LieutenantFatman said, but that won't hold water for long. Taking something away without replacing it is bad practice, simple as that. I don't get why they aren't adding that third game.
@QualityGeezer There is no way that is going to happen. Publishers agree to put their games on ps+ because of the exposure they get and for whatever money Sony offers them. Most companies wouldn't want to agree to offer their game, only for it to be rejected by gamers. This would also make negotiations with publishers harder.
@wiiware How many ps3 gamers had ps+? The small number made negotiations easier. it offered exposure and promotion of their game. Now that more than a third have it, each game costs Sony much more and it pretty much cuts any future profits from it. Only games that have long stopped selling can be added.
What annoyed me recently was that Sony sent me a survey to do on PlayStation Plus (I had been a member since they were giving out one half-decent game, dlc, PS1 games and other crap from the PS Store). Halfway through the survey they said we don’t need your input because you are no longer a Plus subscriber ( I cancelled last month). What the actual feck? My opinion is absolutely relevant, you cretins. Like why I canceled after 5 solid years... idiots.
The fix is simple, just change the name from PlayStation Plus to PlayStation Minus.
Also, them bragging about subscribers is annoying as hell. Make online gaming free and see how many still subscribe to Plus.
I can pick out my own games thank you very much. Take AWAY the free games all together and cut ps+ sub price in half. Most of the games i dont even want but im paying for it ?!? Theres enough sales that i can find exactly what i want for cheap
What I'm seeing a lot at the moment is comparisons between football and CoD.
"Not liking a footy game is the same as not liking call of duty."
No.
Not liking football likely means you won't play any football related game, so FIFA, PES, Manager etc.
Not liking CoD doesn't mean you won't play any other shooter.
Not liking Star Wars wouldn't stop you playing Battlefield but it might stop you playing Battlefront.
And that I think is where this whole thing falls down.
Putting any game on there that is in a specific corner of the market is bound to cause issues en mass.
Further exacerbated by an online culture where it is grossly unacceptable to even have a negative opinion about something regardless how thought out and factual it may be.
I am happy they are more diverse in genres now, but for it to work, there needs to be more freedom of choice, another game perhaps that appeals to the more general audience whilst maintaing an indie and/or sports/niche title.
I mean, I understand, they have to do deals with whatever publishers, Devlopers etc because Sony can't just decide to give any game away for free. However, whoever is dealing with getting games for PS Plus needs to up thier game?
My main issue is that it's never really a style of game that I like. I don't know why they can't have a lineup of 5 or 6 games and let you add 2 of those to your library. They wouldn't necessarrily need to change all 5 games every month either.
That way everyone has a chance of getting a game they might want to play.
I have ps plus. I use it mainly for the discounts. I don't play online and I have only played 3 of the games in the last 6 months, but that's not to say I don't want the choice of something new to play. To be fair. I think once my sub has run out I won't be re-upping unless there is a shift in the offer.
Well for one thing. Cloud saves should be free like on Xbox. I think Sony should set up an instant game library again like they did in the PS3 days again.
Unless PS5 has some outstanding exclusives, it'll be PC moving forward for me where online play is free and programs like Steam offer massive discounts simply for having an account. Not to mention Steams return policy for digital content.
My PS+ sub ran out before last Xmas (I think?), and I haven't bothered renewing it (or have missed it). For my multiplayer needs, I bought a PC. The savings, in both no subscription costs plus cheaper games, means that the PC has already paid for itself, so it didn't cost me anything (or so I tell myself). I think that I may, begrudgingly, renew my PS+ when PS5 arrives.
I got my PS Plus on sale for Days of Play so I can't really complain much. It will pay off sooner or later for 45$
@Jaz007 you're having a laugh right? 5-6 games? 😂
@Steel76 marketing... It sounds better. That's all
Big Big Big topic with a dead easy solution.
Stick with 2 new to ps+ games
Re roll the games that where given at the release of the PS4. One per month. Resogun, pix the cat etc. To people who may have missed them.
Offer a 99p trophy game like Jack and Jill or Inksplosion for the 4th game.
Boom cheap as chips. Now Sony give me a job in PR you doin bad team.
stop the two free games give you a choice of 1 game of a list so its at least your choice
@wiiware Want! Want! Want!
@wiiware - gamepass is a completely different service, and separate from xbox gold membership. it's $180 year for both, that's 3 times the cost of ps+.
i have a feeling that with PS5, many more PS4 games will be added to PS Now, and that become more like services like EA access, gamepass, etc. as i suspect PS4 games to be still downloadable to PS5, if you don't want to stream it.
In 2016, a Talking Point column written by Sammy advocated for the removal of Vita and PS3 games from PS+ under the belief that it would improve PS4 offerings. How the tables have turned ...
It's almost like a massive billion dollar company who treated some of its fans like trash shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt.
The only thing that really bothers me is how slow it is, it's too laggy for me. On Ps3 it is beyond terrible, lots of times the store won't even open and when it does, it is extremely slow. Also, there are way too many garbage games and themes filling up the store, cut out all that junk. Ps store is becoming worse than steam in this regard.
@themcnoisy
"Re roll the games that where given at the release of the PS4. One per month. Resogun, pix the cat etc. To people who may have missed them"
I don't think it works that way. The deal they signed with those studios likely didn't involve giving those games whenever they want again for free. So they'd have to pay them again a certain amount and would have to go though negotiations with all of them.
@Broosh I kept hearing how amazing the Steam deals are and at some point I think they were, but the last two years, whenever I look up a game I'm interested in, I don't find Steam that cheap. On the contrary, I've found much better deals for ps4 games online (nioh, Nier and Ni nom Kuni 2 come to mind).
Lower the price's of ps plus and better games on ps4 also include ps3 games but my problem is that pile of trash ps now get rid of it its far from good get rid of it and give us backwards compatibility instead of ps now on the ps4 come on Sony wake the up
@C0NNERS funnily enough I've just filled in an email questionnaire from Sony about PS+ service before coming to this page and seeing this survey. It came this evening.
Idk if it's been touched on but given the terrible turn the service has taken, I discontinued my subscription and am wondering why the PS3 and Vita games I have via PS plus are still tied to the subscription. Shouldn't they just be mine now NSA?
@Bad-MuthaAdebisi exactly. Having to pay extra for online gaming, which has been the most popular way to game for a loooong time, and hence should be free, is really damn annoying. And it's one more thing to add to the growing list of why, I believe, consoles have a large risk of being substantially replaced by gaming PCs in the near future.
@kyleforrester87
Over 2 years myself.
Bottom line is Sony departments need to work together better. Not only should Plus add value to its service by adding access to PS Now, but also have some exclusive to services like Funimation etc. Sony TV division should be working with the Gaming arm to capitalise on this 36 million subscriber.
I think the value will increase again when the PS5 comes out, as backwards compatibility will mean you're getting a lot of bang for your buck.
However it benefits Sony to keep subscribers engaged now; active members are much more likely to make the transition to the PS5 than lapsed subscribers.
I'm not entirely sure how they can improve the overall value proposition, but it's clear that they need to invest some energy into this if they hope to retain their userbase. (Which I'm confident is a primary objective for them.)
@daveofduncan You mean like the 6 or even at times 7 we had before? Plus had 6 games standard for as long as I can remember. Nothing to laugh at there. It’s the standard Sony set and I’m not forgetting it.
@AdamNovice agree! What is a "better" game? I'm sure PES19 is a great football game, but since I'm not into sport games it has absolutely no appeal to me. Does that speak for the quality of the game, of course not.
More games would better satisfy different appetites so either increase the amount or add psnow to psplus.
In the end we are all voting with our wallets, so if we don't like it, lets make Sony feel it.
Not everyone is gonna like the freebie games every month. I'd like to say it's their way of catering for all but the quality isn't even there to begin with. Absolutely inexcusable not to include a VR game every month.
@naruball Yeah, unless there's a holiday/season sale, then it's luck of the draw on deals, but those prices can really plummet at times. Not to say PSN doesn't have killer deals but to benefit from them you often have to have Plus.
Sony needs to step it up. I’m barely on my PS4 these days, so it’s hard for me to justify paying the subscription, especially when it lacks value compared to how it did in the past.
I don't see why people can't seem to see the value the current system has. Yes the price went up but with sales I still pay the old price. Cost with a yearly membership is $3.33 a month in the North America, what 2 games do you expect for $1.66 each!! Do you really want Sony to combine Plus with PS-Now? Even if they gave Plus free with PS-Now the cost would go up to $99.99 a year. That is almost three times the cost of PS-Plus we pay at $39.99 now.
With backwards compatibility now (something I didn't care for as I have a PS4 for my PS4 games now). We can still just get PS4 titles as PS5 games!
@PaulDanby156 Let's watch the language from now on.
Since I barely play online at all, I'm honestly considering ending my subscription after this cycle. The discounts alone don't justify it, since I could use the money to cover the decrease in price. There are lots of sales anyway in PSN.
Also, there has been an increase in price in Brazil too.
@deepspace5d unfortunately, many people are subbed for a full calendar year, so there is no way to cancel abruptly to make a timely statement and send a message to sony. if i could cancel for the month of july and then join again once better games are offered, i would... maybe that is a feature sony should implement so that we can have more flexibility.
Drop the price to $45. Won't happen but that'd be an easy solution. That and add a third game each month (and hopefully the selections would be better).
@MinerWilly I hope you told them what you'd like! I see these questionnaires occasionally. I'm suggesting a more structured, open format which is visible - sonypsnfeedback.com - that will engage people and demonstrate that feedback is a) being listened to and b) being acted upon.
I know it’s been said already, but you can’t expect every game, every month to be something that appeals to you. The idea of a voting system sounds like a good way forward and a nice way of letting the community decide.
We also have to remember that our subscription goes towards the maintenance and improvements of the online infrastructure behind the scenes. It would be great to see a VR game included though, or a DLC pack of some kind.
@ToOGoodOfAPlaya Most casual gamers have 2 kind of games shooters and a sportsgame. And thats the truth the things sell the most.
And why not drop the price too 45 and dont offer deals or games.
I have PSN too play online i dont have the time too play the extra games anyway. The isnt that bad. Would not be de surprised if a lot of the complainers smoke and drop that cash with a second thought.
I feel like Sony is making the same mistake they made at the end of the PS2 generation. They are winning, they think they can do no wrong and are now "optimizing" their profitability. It ended badly for them the last time and it could happen again next year. It is just that it would be hard to lose in a battle against Xbox.
@AdamNovice Horizon Chase Turbo is an interesting case both its critical reviews and user reviews on metacritic were better than Gran Turismo Sport the first party equivalent. But I would argue that if we had received Gran Turismo this month less people would be complaining.
That’s because Horizon Chase Turbo is a far more niche game. Horizon Chase Turbo Received less than the fifth of the critical reviews and less than the 20th of the user reviews compared to Gran Turismo. So while which is the better game is debatable Horizon Chase Turbo is clearly the less valuable game. What people are really complaining about if they don’t perceive the value of the games they’re getting to be worth sub. I have to put this months games into a search engine to find out what they were .
It's the price per year of one new release game. For the right to play 24 extra games per year, most of which are worth playing, plus online play, save file backup and the odd discount. The longer you hold it, the more games you have access to for your money.
I just got 1 week of free Sky Sports, which I normally pay £11 for, considering I spent £35 for the year, that's a great deal.
PS Plus is really good value. The people moaning are just desperate to be upset about something. Sure, they could include different games but you can't please everyone.
P.s. I'm fine with PES 2019 too. I don't think I'll ever have the time to get into Borderlands and Sonic holds no appeal. Not everyone has the same tastes.
My suggestion would be each month they should have a menu of games to choose from, say 6, and you can choose up to 2-3 to download and hold for the rest of your subscription. The cost to Sony would be similar and people would moan less.
@deepspace5d I cancelled my auto-renew 3 months ago. I've had no reason to reactivate it so far. Here's hoping something improves soon! But I imagine Sony are hoping to just ride it out until PS5 releases.
@Barryburton97 seems like an excellent solution.
@Barryburton97 I don't think that's entirely fair. The general concensus as far as I can tell is that the price increased by 25% and the number of games dropped by more than 65%. That's an entirely legitimate cause for complaints. If Netflix increased their price by a tenner a month and only showed 3 films, would people be allowed to complain about that?
@C0NNERS that's another brilliant idea.
I let my Plus lapse after several years this past winter. I was wooed back because I realized how heavily I used the additional discounts for Plus in the Store. I periodically dabble in multiplayer gaming. I hardly download or add to my library the monthly titles. The titles to me are a benefit to the subscription, not a reason for the subscription. If I wanted games for the subscription, I'd join Now instead. So, to me and how I answered this survey, I'd like to see Plus be cheaper and include larger and/or more discounts in the Store.
Between the compromises of Remote Play and the appeal of the growing backlog on Switch and other platforms, I haven't invested much time into PS4 for quite a while, but Plus remains the key to my already amassed subscription library (including Vita games, even if some of them have migrated to Switch as well), cloud saves and the occasional multiplayer if I'm in the mood for it. Latest offerings? Again, Horizon's on Switch but PES might well come in handy for next time I hang out with my friend at whose place I've kept the console since purchase (for rare single player football moods, I still have FIFA 14 card inherited from my Vita's previous owner). As someone spoiled by emulation and romsets, I'm not averse to gathering up long lists of games at my disposal, and at this point IGC is sort of like a yearly Humble Bundle to me.
What else to ask from Plus? Beats me. I would naturally welcome a price cut, but it's unlikely - otherwise Sony wouldn't have raised the price to begin with. I'd welcome more games regardless of my immediate interest in them, but it's also unlikely - otherwise Sony wouldn't have ditched PS3 and Vita titles which you'd think were easier and cheaper to license. Discounts? I haven't bought PS4 stuff for months and most sales, including subscriber ones, barely seem to remember what a "Vita" is. Merging the service with PS Now? No thanks - we're talking something still unavailable in many regions (including my account's), way more expensive than Plus (hence likely to bump the price even further up when merged) and mostly incompatible with Remote Play nowadays. Heck, PS4's own streaming services aren't compatible with Remote Play (even YouTube isn't), so throwing them in with the package wouldn't do anything for me either. Short of Sony taking a page out of Ninty's book again and starting a growth of permanent access "CGC" with PS1 titles therein (which, again, is pure wishful thinking), I really don't know what kind of overhaul to ask from Plus. If the money I pay for it didn't live up to what I was already getting from it, I'd simply stop subscribing at all. A ridiculous mentality, I know.😜
Love the article, love the critic. I've been saying this for a while..
Only one thing:
FOOTBALL please, not soccer. Football is older than America it self, and it's called football by everyone except by americans.. Respect tradition and seniority =D
@MauroR Once again. "Free" in this context means "at no additional cost". Just like "free drink", after paying an entrance fee, "free text messages with x plan", etc.
@Broosh I don't know. I mean, I haven't paid that close attention, but most of the deals I see are without ps+.
@Gigawatt-Kapow Thank you! 🙏😊
My problem isn't about Sony removing PS3 and PS Vita games from Plus but how they neglect their old systems. Sony sold almost 90 million PS3 units, for god's sake. The lack of both plataforms on sale is unjustifiable and the price of a lot of games are totally outdated.
I don't think the PS4 titles offered are bad. Now, I believe that PS Plus lost its course: the time trials were dropped out, the exclusive discounts are not good enough, the beta access idea are now tied to pre-ordering the game... As they did with PS4, they will be adding two PS5 titles at day one but they need to up their game on the next months.
@MauroR Although I agree with your sentiment for the most part and I typically don’t use the term they these are “free” games, I think most of us understand the connotation.
As we see with the recent withdrawal of games from the store like Telltale Minecraft Story Mode, actually even when we “buy” these games we don’t actually own them. They can be taken away at any time. We have a license to play them is all. So unless you download it and leave it on your HD forever (a la the P.T. demo) there is now no guarantee that digital game is yours to have in perpetuity. All our digital library is just a glorified rental, in a manner of speaking.
Make online free. Don't care about the rest.
Very well reasoned article. One thing I'd also mention is tied into a new Guardian article that went up the other day. What Sony need to remember is that subscription services are increasing in number and in cost. Constantly. Only a few years ago I had PS Plus and Netflix and that was about it. Now I have:
PS Plus
Nintendo Switch Online
Amazon Prime
Spotify
Netflix
Premier Sport (sometimes)
Now TV (sometimes)
Audible
Crunchyroll
Then you've got the impending launch of Disney+ and all the other video services in the pipeline, as well as the game ones like EA Origin, PS Now, Ubisoft's one, etc. It's too much and something's gotta give. I'm going to be re-evaluating all of my services at some point, and at the moment PS Plus is the most expensive and least rewarding of the lot. Microsoft by comparison have been very smart with the pricing and feature set of their ultimate Game Pass. I just want to see a bit more value, and from where I'm sitting I can't see many excuses for Sony not to do that. We shall see.
With PS5 on the horizon, I think it would be quite fair at the current price point to offer 1 PS4 game every other month and 1 PS5 game every other month, along with an automatic subscription to PS Now.
Right now they are boasting over 700 games on Now. Give PS Plus subscribers access to Now and then focus on the games you give through the subscription being top tier releases. In this model they would only be giving out 6 PS4 games and 6 Ps5 games a year, enabling them to spend a little more money to developers and get those better games. But it would also open the floodgates to hundreds more games that PS plus subscribers would not have had access to.
Like they previewly done i think they should offer a choice of 2 new inde titles thats yet to be released.
That way no one would already have the game and we be happyer with picking something. Other title should get a discount.
This would be offered along with imo with a older AAA or AA game and also a psvr title.
Why not give me a choice how about £30 a year just to play online only, £40 a year for online 1 free game or £50 for online play and 2 free games but better quality games. I would just pay for the £30 a year to enable online for myself and with that give me the occasional ps+ extra savings on content
@Th3solution How was this not a major news story? I didn't see anything about it here but that is the most significant advancement with the issue of digital gaming I've ever seen. That has never happened before. If you paid money you could re-download it. That is huge.
@MauroR I didn't defend anything. I specifically talked about the word "free" and people not being able to understand that words have multiple meanings.
Again: "free" also means "at no additional cost".
Whether you can or can't play them after a certain time is irrelevant. Its meaning (at no additional cost) still doesn't change.
Also, interesting how you focused on the first example and ignored the second.
@Nakatomi_Uk Because they know that most people pay ps+ to play online, not for the games. If they offered any other options, it would hurt their earnings. Unless people start letting their ps+ lapse, that won't change. It doesn't make any financial sense.
@Porco That’s true, and the price increase of going month-to-month would probably cancel out the savings you would get for skipping certain months. I guess those who are dissatisfied and have their renewal date coming up can opt out of it if they like, and that number will grow by the month.
But it would be really nice if they implemented a feature to suspend your PS+ subscription. For example, you can suspend and freeze your active time remaining until you see a month of PS+ offerings that you like. Then you can use up one month of your remaining time to claim that month’s games.
@deepspace5d yup! that is exactly what i was getting at. to my knowledge, there is no subscription model that allows this — it would be a good opportunity for sony to be a pioneer in this area.
@Jaz007 I don’t know man, maybe we’ll tag @get2sammyb — I’m sure he knows about it. I thought maybe they had a story about it and I missed it. I heard it on Sacred Symbols podcast, that’s how I knew.
But yeah, thankfully I haven’t bought Minecraft Story Mode so it won’t affect me. But if you bought it and didn’t download it yet, you’re screwed because as of June 25th, 3 days ago, it’s gone and you can’t get it anymore.
I do have a couple of Telltale games in my backlog (Batman, GoT, and GotG) and so I think I need to play them quick in case more get pulled.
Who knows if more games you purchased in the past may suddenly become unavailable.
I’ve been tehinking the exact same of the PS Plus recently. The games sucks sometimes, especially any sport or driving game isn’t my gig at all, and propably never’ll be. I know there’s lots of discounts for the Plussers, but I would want more games and especially indie game(s). My subscription to the Plus ends at July and I’ve been thinking of not to renew it this time. I’ve been using Plus continually since just before PS4 came out and this being first time not to. I’m not sure what’ll happens to my cloud saves, though, if I keep some kind of little protest/break? Sony have keep some kind of eye on me, since I’ve got gift cards and invitations to tests and betas many times. So hopefully they gonna ask me why I didn’t renew it.
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