The Last of Us: Part II’s storyline has gone down like a Shambler on the end of an incendiary shotgun shell with some fans, so we suppose it was inevitable that someone would launch a petition to have the plot revised. One such Change.org listing has attracted almost 14,000 signatures at the time of typing, as it declares the title a “disrespect for every fan that waited seven years for the sequel”.
While the post is laden with spoilers, it describes the story as “extremely bad” and appears to take particular issue with the fate of a particular character. We don’t recommend clicking if you haven’t finished the game yet – or, indeed, are of sound mind – but you can view the full thing and some particularly, er, interesting comments on the subject through here.
We’ll be posting a full spoiler discussion in the coming days, we just want to give everyone an opportunity to participate and know that many are still playing through the campaign. In the meantime, please keep your comments kind below, and try to avoid ruining the game for those who haven't finished yet. Thank you!
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Just a reminder to remain cool, level-headed, thoughtful, and above all kind in these comments. All opinions are welcome, but bickering and fighting will not be tolerated. I hate having to close the comments section on any article, so let's please not reach that point.
Also a reminder to respect that not everyone has finished the game yet. I know it's difficult to avoid spoilers at this stage, but please be considerate and think before posting.
We'll have a spoiler thread before the end of the week, so please wait for that if you want to discuss specific plot points.
Thanks so much!
Hahahahahaha. This shows absolutely zero respect for artistic vision in any situation. Like it or not, they delivered a story they believed in instead of pandering to a group of fans. When will people learn that petitions for gaming issues just come across as pathetic and whiny?
These people are the same types who complain about "censorship" all the time. Whose the ones (trying to) censoring now?
Remember back in the olden days when we simply put it down and moved on to something else when we didn’t like something?
I'm sick to death of hearing them moan, I haven't finished the game yet but I'm nearly 20 hours in and it's one of the best stories I've ever seen in a video game. I'm a huge fan of the story in the original and these characters but what they have done here is brilliant and makes you think about the wider world and that heroes and villains are determined only by perspective.
If you don't like it do what we all do and go play something else
Oh ffs. No. Just No. This is the game we got. Get. The F over it. We as a community can not demand something be changed because you dont like it. Its a dangerous and slippery slope. I am so sick of reading so much hate, bile and negativity around this game
I will say again. After EVERYTHING this year. For once. Be. Kind. Stop with the hate and realise some things are more important. Like it or not. This is a video game. Dont like the story? Buy another one. Want a different story, write some fan fiction. Anything. But please just stop Jeez.
And before anyone starts coming @ me or shouting hate or whatever the heck people have been sending me for daring to say that i am enjoying the game i have in front of me. Think about the mental health of every single employee at naughty dog who worked so damn hard to deliver this game in a direction they thought was right for the ip. This was their creative vision and that vision should remain untouched and intact.
Now. It is completely up to the public to decide whether they agree with that vision or not. But if you are unhappy, just stay away and look to the next game you are looking forward to.
But stop hating on the developers. Or on the people that are enjoying the game. Believe me, those people do exist. They are just enjoying - you know - playing the game to care about all this noise.
THIS right here is why creativity and innovation is dead in the gaming space. People are happy to complain about generic shooter 200, but as soon as a developer takes a risk, this is the response? Come on!
I didn't like Metallica's last album. Maybe if we get enough signatures they will rewrite and rerecord it for us.
And the 100m gold medalist at the Olympics, I didn't like the colour of the shoes. Let's get that re run, shall we!?!?!!!
I don't know what to say at this point. I really hope one day they get a life. I genuinely feel sorry for them.
They want respect and at the same time they disrespect Neil, the whole team, even the actors. Shameful.
The hate is almost inducing a rage burst in me to be honest, the people bashing the game are really annoying and you can't reason with them...
Reading some of the replies on that petition has made me belly laugh... Thanks, I needed that!
I'm on play through number two of TLOU2 (gotta get that plat) and I'm enjoying the story even more now... I can't wait until we pass that magical point in time where we can openly talk about the things this game does because it does some REALLY smart stuff that seems to be flying over a lot of peoples heads... or in a fair few cases they've seen the leaks and decided that's all there is to the story so they whine about something without context.
Funny how literally the only place where you have to own the game to be able to review it has this as the score
Apparently some of the reviews were put on before release which is just as dumb and rating it 10 just for the sake of it is as well. But that doesn't take away from the fact that the unnecessary hate for this game is getting ridiculous. Even if you don't like the story, rating it 0, 1 or even 4 is complete nonsense and the vast majority of people I've engaged with online who didn't like it, haven't even played it or watched a stream because apparently that's the same as playing a game these days
site should make gifs avail ...
postal sign my petition gif.....😂
"...we need a remake for this game."
Man, the game isn't even a week old and people already want a remake? I think this is the fastest fans have wanted a game remade. Must be a really good game when 14k people are up for a remake already. Thought it wouldn't happen until the end of the PS5's life.
I'm still on day 2. Keep scrounging for pills like a junkie.
Well the boycott worked. I don't see why this petition wouldn't 🤣
most of people who finish both games will not know whether they love part 2 or hate it. for me i stuck in the middle but the gameplay was astonishing i gave the game from every aspect a 8/10.
@HammerKirby3 how do you know that?
Amazing 'entitled' generation of people.
I want a petition that'll force Druckman to listen to himself talking for at least 48 hours. Or at least make a new Jak and Daxter.... no, with current Naughty Dog you probably would have to euthanize Daxter and they would call the scene poignant and mature.
I finished the game a few days ago, and the negative reaction to the really risky story beats frustrates me so much.
I’m gonna add that Metacritic keeps removing critic reviews.
I've just reached a part that a lot of people are unhappy about, and honestly I think it's pretty cool (about 15 hours in for those that have played up to and past this part).
You can clearly see how many people don't pay any attention to the game they're playing. Everything that the story has been thus far makes perfect sense to me, and I'm really looking forward to seeing more of it.
People are too damn entitled. It's that snowflake generation that were told they can have it their way their whole lives, deciding who can and can't do things. There are more important things in life than getting your own way all the time, and once you grow up and realise nobody owes you anything, you'll have a much greater understanding of the world around you.
You have no right to demand changes to someone else's creativity and work. You'd be the first to defend your own, so how dare you attack someone else's? Pathetic people. By all means review it, disagree with it and respect that it's not for you, but that's all you should do. You're no better than book burners.
@thefirst It’s ok to criticise the game. It’s moronic to make a petition whining and telling them to change the story, it’s not up to the fans.
Was supposed to be taking a break from commenting because of the emotional reaction TLOU2 had on me but I have to speak out because it saddens me to see so many on here be so dismissive of people's thoughts.
The facts are that so many TLOU fans came away from Part 2 so bitterly disappointed becasuse many of us felt that Part 2's story completely disrespected everything about Joel & Ellie as characters to the point it all felt like an empty husk of what series once was.
Yes ND should make the game they want to make but they also have a responsibility to the community that the first game created.
And if we're honest... this backlash has been coming for some time becasuse for many it feels like ND has either ignored or outright dismissed people's genuine and constructive criticism at both ND's products, practices and agendas thinking there all just trolls and homophobes.
Youtuber RobinGaming has a great video about this called The Naughty Dog Agenda, it's worth a watch.
At the end of the day ND and Neil Druckmann either didn't realize or didn't care what TLOU and Joel & Ellie meant to people. Yes it's set in a brutal and cruel world but it also had love, hope and levity. There's none of that in Part 2, it's bleak beyond bleak. All for the sake of telling a revenge story (that's been done to death and adds nothing new) And no it's not easy as move on to another game or whatever becasuse many of us actually give a damn about this franchise and characters and want to speak out when many feel it's been badly mishandled. That's why it's very naive to think that this discourse is all the work of trolls and entitled gamers...it isn't, there's far too many speaking out about it to be just that now.
So please understand that while you may have enjoyed the game, there are many others that feel that after 7 years of waiting we got a sequel that failed to provide a story that took Joel & Ellie forward as characters and made them grow. And while I don't think this petition seriously expects the game to be remade but I hope it makes ND understand that people are genuinly upset and if they make another one that they would consider making it more closer in tone and spirit as the first one.
TLOU II has a better story than the first, petition is pointless imo.
While I personally found the story of TLOU II to be bleak, lazy and a disgrace to everyone who fell in love with the bonding between Joel and Ellie in Part I I think such a petition is pointless. The game is made, didn't turn out like I hoped (and was led to believe) it would be. That's done. Life goes on.
When was the last time that an entire game was retconned out of existence due to fan backlash? Lemme think...never.
Anyway..is it a BAD story? Or did you just NOT LIKE IT? There is a difference.
@carlos82 How come it already had 4.000-something positive reviews a week before launch? And now "only" close to double that since it's released?
About 13 hrs in and loving it. You cant please everyone and you'll always have a group that moans. They are never going to rewrite anything so the whole partition is stupid. If you hate the game, sell it and wait for GoT.
@keihtg Very much both for me
@keihtg Actually there is no difference, because who's to judge? If there's a restaurant selling the BEST pineapple pizza out there and you just can't stand pineapple, what good is it when everyone else but you loves it?
Things like this will always be subjective. I recognize that many people love the story in TLOU II - which is completely astounding to me, but it is what it is. I also love pineapple pizza btw!
12 hours in, I'm really enjoying the story so far. The flashbacks are great, the acting is brilliant. The dialogue can be a little cringe but that's about it.
@thefirst There's rumors that they will "undo" the latest Star Wars trilogy because of sales drops and fan backlash. It will be out "out of canon" by some timey-wimey-force-spacehole thing (that doomc*ck guy on youtube has some rumors on it). So basically yes, there are plans (in motion already, allegedly) to redo the last 3 Star Wars movies - Han and Luke will return too - no idea about Leia...
So silly.
Although perhaps an alternate ending (choice based) or alternate story line as free DLC will be good... I will be up for that. But rewriting the story when it was amazing as it is... well it is disgraceful.
I completely disagree with those who say it was a disgrace to TLOU Ellie and Joel as both were very much in character and the execution was great. The flashback scenes were brilliant.
I came to enjoy playing as Abby - especially after my third playthrough. You can understand her... actually she is very much like Joel in some regards. Each and every conversation was a meaningful deep dive into the psyche of each and every character.
I can understand why some fans are disappointed and I get it favourite character gone and no more duo... But I didn't want a J and E game all over again … the magic of the first one cannot be trumped so a different approach had to be taken, a different story fuelled by the love that the in game characters and fans had for J and E.
I think people need to get over it now and accept the story for what it is.
As a side note I would love for some Left behind style DLC. -
Perhaps some more adventures with Joel pre Ellie... Joel and Tess or even Joel and Tommy would be amazing.
@thefirst It was Druckmans declared goal to make a game people are passionate about (one way or another) - he succeeded, gotta eat the heat he gets too, it's all free publicity as well and a great marketing stunt. I don't really think Druckman's feeling too much pressure, while arranging his GOTY awards in his head and counting his money. If you put something out there, that's divisive, no matter who you are, you gotta own up to the reaction. Simple.
@AdamNovice To be fair, I'm a steadfast Mass Effect and Star Wars fan, so my standards are very very low. Join me down here on the bottom, with the Game of Thrones fans too! You'll learn to love it!
@thefirst It’s not about whether it was well received or not. The game is done and dusted, they told the story and people will either like it or not. Asking them to change it is silly, you wouldn’t ask someone to rewrite a book because you didn’t like the ending.
@oldschool1987 Loved the flashbacks too - would pay for 20-hour DLC to actually PLAY only the flashbacks!
@nessisonett People tried with Stephen King (understandably so) - but yeah, I agree. It's done. Let's move on.
@thefirst
You can never ever get everyone happy. That is not the world we live in. Some even said TLOU1 was the ***** story ever.
if say 10% of a fanbase don't like it, then that's their opinion. My impression is that a large number like the game. Making sure everyone likes it is an impossible metric.
Finished the game in around 30 hours. While the ending was hard to play due to the how the plot went, it was a really good game. Yes, ending was sad, but story wise it was a decent game. 9/10 from me.
@Scollurio What? Redo Ep7/8/9? What a mess that would be, not to mention set the precedent that fans can just bully the studios around forever. If they do that, they'll probably re-boot episode 7 several times before fans like it, lol, and then just end up doing the movie version of the old expanded universe. Unless, of course, they wanna do George Lucas's "whills" idea, which as stupid/hokey as it sounds, I'm totally down for (since he's the creator of SW).
My fiancée sent me this petition and asked me to sign it with her. I had to explain to her that these things never work. Thing is is that she's a normie, she has a more stressful higher paying job than I do, so she doesn't really have the time to sit around on the internet like I can at my much slower paced (especially now) place of business where I can listen to a couple podcasts.
My point it, normies don't understand that things like this rarely work and they're a waste of time.
Now, before that, I also told her about The Death of the Author essay, and how after a work is completed the author's input on it becomes no less valid than yours, and by that measure anyone who is consuming that work. So long as you came to it there isn't any harm.
I'm just going to completely disregard TLOU 2, move on, and continue to enjoy the first game.
No harm no foul.
@keihtg
I completely agree with you here.
Just because a fan favourite character goes---- doesn't mean the whole story is crap.
To me the narrative is as good as you would expect from a ND game.
i'm fine with fair critism,just don't make up lies like sony bought reviews or sony limited the stock of the game so it seems to sell well etc. that is just being spitefull.
if you don't like the story fine,but don't insult the devs,don't make pointless petitions,and for the love god don't use "agenda" as a "reason " to dislike the game.
@keihtg people did not like. Story was good, the thing is, people who expected to see a nice lovely relationship between Joel and Ellie in epic adventure got bitter, because the game completely opposite. But it was said before, developer literally said it is Ellie focused experience. Altho this game was really gruesome. Not all stories MUST have a good ending.
@Constable_What
I like your way of thinking.
However - don't give up on TLOU2 yet - play it through a few times before making an ultimate decision. Look past plot points that you may not wanted to happen... but did happen … it doesn't make the writing bad.
@keihtg Yes really, it's on the table. I don't think it has much to do with fan outrage, just simply with poor business. No one buys toys from the new trilogy, not one of the new characters had close to as much charisma and lasting appeal than any of the old (I'd buy a shirtless Kilo statue though), their amusement park thingy is almost always empty. People just simply don't care. Kathleen Kennedy is up in arms against it but allegedly (again, I have this info from that youtuber) George Lucas will be involved too.
And so what, let them reboot it, how many Spiderman movies did we have in the past couple of years and it's basically always the same story. They will mostly only do reboots nowadays anyways, why not try to bring the once greaterst sci fi franchise on the planet back to it's former glory. I'd watch it...
I finished the game last night after 25 hours. While I am rather disappointed with it story wise, this is just silly!
@jdv95
completely agree with you here
@jdv95 Well said. Story focused games are like books, everyone will take different things out of it and everyone can interpreter things in a different way. Doesn't mean it's a bad game, just because something happened that you did not want.
This is just sad for so many reasons. People need to get a grip!
There is nothing wrong with the story at all. Most of the hate come from people who are either triggered by the “sjw agenda” or because they simply don’t understand the story.
Every decision made makes sense if you actually paid attention. Whether you like those decisions or not is entirely down to the player.
But to start a petition and continue this outcry for change is quite honestly just embarrassing
I don't blame people demanding for complete alterations to the story. Question: Was The Walking Dead ever the same after Lee was killed?
People talk about whitewashing, etc. this could be called fan washing.
I accepted the artists vision and what they tried to do and have played the game without my own expectations but simply seeing what the artist had in mind. And I enjoyed it.
Would I have enjoyed an alternative story more?
I bet so, but I don’t compare the game to my own vision. I am not the developer. It’s not my story I am trying to tell but the artist trying to tell his story and his vision.
That’s how I see it.
18 hours in and honestly this is a great game, It just fits being a continuation of the last one!
@Jacko11 I think to boil it down, what upsets people is that the game is made on purpose to make you feel uncomfortable. If something isn't a joy to play what point does it have to exist - at least that's how it works for most.
I don't think it's fair to call people "dumb" or that they didn't get the story just because you got something out of it they didn't. It's all really subjective, if it was so easy with opinions and sentiments, we'd long have a world-religion by now. But you see how these things are...
But yes I strongly agree, that such a petition is stupid. I just wonder how sales would be if TLOU Part III was to release in about 6 months time, just hypothetical.
@DigaMecR10 I'm gonna pass on that. You do you, and I'll do me. This game isn't worthy of my time.
@Scollurio the more I read about the story the more I think it's actually pretty solid. People are just not opening their minds I think
Firstly some of the comments I've read from people who don't like the story you can 100% tell have not even played the game.
Secondly as someone wrote on twitter, being a fan of something does not give you the right to dictate the creative process so that they create something that full fills your fan fiction.
@Scollurio Well...whaddaya think about just having a new trilogy altogether that takes place far away from Ep7/8/9? No Skywalkers, no Palpatines...just start fresh from the ground up, Jedi vs Sith?
I personally wouldn't want Ep7/8/9 erased, since I think they have the potential to have some cool side-stories with the characters that were created (plus: my family memories, lol). If only they hadn't MADE UP THE STORY AS THEY WENT ALONG, it wouldn't have been the mess that it ended up being.
Opinions are opinions Say what you want but I will be careful for next ND game that the story is enjoyable. Everyone is different and has different expectation from a video game.
This is pretty cringe. While I do have issues with the story myself regarding its super bleak tone/events and don't consider it by any means a 10/10, it's pretty entitled and petty to DEMAND a complete retcon until they get the safe predictable story they want. What's done is done, ND didn't betray anyone. They just wanted to make a unique dark game like the first one. If you don't like it, cool. Just consider it non canon and play the first game. It's all fiction anyway. I hated the sequel trilogy of Star Wars for example but I wouldn't demand that they remake it and get rid of the other films. I just keep them out of sight and out of mind and focus on something I actually enjoy rather than hate.
@Scollurio it was clear from the outset that the game was going to be uncomfortable. That’s one of the few things Neil talked about for the game in the last few years. The story was about hate and it wasn’t not going to be easily digestible.
Also I never called anyone “dumb” so not sure where that has come from but I feel like most people who have chosen to vocally complain should have known what they was getting into when they started playing, as it’s been said to them many times. In some ways it is subjective I agree, but the parts people are complaining over I don’t believe are subjective, I think they are actually very clear, but alas that is just my opinion.
If they release Part III at any point (hope there isn’t one personally), or even a DLC I am confident no sales would be affected. Same way the outrage over leaks has done nothing to affect sales with the main games release.
@Oh_fiddlesticks There are also plenty of those 10 point reviews on metacritics where you can clearly tell they are "copy and paste" and have also not played the game. So it really goes both ways. The "truth" I guess is in the middle. But as I said, Druckman wanted to create a divisive story and that's what he did. Success!
@keihtg I actually do still like the Star Wars universe as such and found that ROGUE ONE was really solid and I loved the tide-over-ending. So yes, I'd be up for that. Keep the premise, the sith and jedi thing and do something fresh, maybe namedrop a skywalker here and there, and that's about it!
I’m about eleven hours in and I’m completely loving it. I don’t have any issues with the direction they chose to go with it, so far. Nothing about it has been “disrespectful to fans.”
@Jacko11 I know what he said and TLOU's world was never a nice place to be. I'm not talking about the world itself. What I really disliked was the way the trailers were manipulative and how the story plays out in that it's not satisfying in any way to the player, also that you're forced to do things you despise as characters you don't like.
I do play horror games occassionally for enjoyment, so I'm fine with "ugly game worlds" - I just didn't like the particular way the game treated delicately crafted character-relationships and made you do despicable things with no choice. But again, it's all about tastes and opinions, and all should be able to be voiced.
*Edit: of course when I talk "palyers" I mean me. People might and obviously have enjoyed those sections.
This is one of the reasons on why I refuse to call myself a gamer. What is honestly wrong with this world? It's a GAME! Don't like it? Then move on. Stop being so sensitive. Honestly I found the story refreshing. Well done naughty dog.
Fate of a character 🤔.but pushsquare and other websites play the game till the end and didnt talk about.thats not right.word up son
lol I knew Star Wars would be mentioned in this. The trilogy failed because they started out as fan service, tried to do something new, then caved to reddit and returned to being fan service.
Moral of the story is never allow the Internet to control the narrative. You’ll never please everyone so it’s best to just do your thing the way you want it done and not allow cyberspace to be the dictators they so desperately want to be.
@thefirst You echo my exact sentiments exactly
@Razrye I'm sorry but you don't know people's life experiences and what certain things that might seem trivial to you but might mean the world to others.
Thanks for the link to the petition, I signed and shared it on social media.
@Scollurio That's true, and that's why i dont think metacric should allow user review for games until a week after its release. That would also more than likey reduce review bombing (in both directions) since people get bored of whatever it is theyre mad about after a week anyway. Plus no one can beat a game in a day to give a trusted review anyway.
Just finished it I loved the story ! I liked it more than last of us one
@Scollurio I sorta see what you’re saying but I don’t see the trailers being “manipulative” as a negative thing. I actually like the decide to fool the player into thinking they know how the story will go. It’s a common criticism of media in general that we give too much away in trailers.
If insert character name had been the same in the trailers as the game, people would have complained it was obvious and gave it away. But when the trailers purposely make the player think one thing but then do another, that’s a much better decision.
And for forcing the player to “do things you despise as characters you despise”, that’s the vision on the developer. In the same way Joel’s decisions at the end of the first game are greatly hated because people would have made the same decision, these where the decisions in this game.
The ugly nature of the world is what makes Part I and II so unique and special, and allows for an unpleasant story. The point is to show the horror of the world, the decisions these characters have to make and the outcomes they have to deal with.
More frustratingly for me is that with all this negative hate towards certain decisions made, the truly beautiful moment from Part II are being completely ignored, and the game has a handful of truly powerful moments which can’t be found in any other game.
@Oh_fiddlesticks I'd love another solution: like let's say at the halfway point of a game you plop a trophy that contains a one-time-code that's tied to your PSN account, which then you can use to write a "legit" review.
@Razrye lol but that's not what happened.
Imagine you play Mario and you want to jump on the turtle - as he does. Instead the turtle kills Mario, for good, and then you are forced to play as the turtle for the rest of the game... it might be interesting in it's own rights, it might even be a fun experience to some, but most people came for Mario jumping on turtles!
@Razrye Lol what an idiotic comment.
The story is garbage in my opinion but I don't support these kind of petitions... EVER! It makes no sense. The writers went with the story they wanted to tell, people don't have to like it but they do have to accept it.
It's a game. Don't like it? Move on.
@Razrye Remember to include my name if you want to insult me.
Not sure why. From my timeline I guess I'm almost done with the story 22h in. And for me it builds on the first game. It is proof that even in apocalypse the consequences of your actions will come back at you ten fold. The story is great. I love the split. And have come to realise a lot of early release spoilers while close to correct had no context behind them. Great game a solid 8.5/10 for me can't wait for the third installment
@Jacko11 I understand what you mean. But as you say, Part II had wonderful moments, so had Part I and I personally feel that we've got a delicately relationship and wonderfull narrative that was something unique (and mostly was until this day) traded for a petty revenge plot. Yes it might appear edgy, maybe a bit preachy at times and yes Druckman likes himself to be the next Kojima or Hitchcock, but at the end, it's a really simple story that uses most of it's emotional impact purely for shock value. But again, that's just my opinion.
And about the trailer, yes I agree that most trailers give away too much, but to even age Joel in the trailers and put him in place of another character, that's deceitful. They of course DID know that people would want more of Joel and Ellie, because they were the draw of the first game. I don't think a third game could have that draw with what remains of the cast at the end.
Many people based their buying decision on the trailers, and rightfully feel duped now. Again there is not much argueing about it all (even though i enjoy to do so in a polite manner). To me at least, that fatherly bond with Joel was something special we didn't get again until maybe the latest God of War. I enjoyed it a lot. The story now must feel "simple" and "run of the mill" to people that spend a lot of time reading, that have lots of material to compare to. Again, very subjective. But it still feels like a bad trade. Ellie and Joel also were complex characters. Abby is not. She's the "hurt chick" that's out on a revenge. You even see this in the game. The revenge thing gets to Ellie. She's clearly shaken by it all, even by her own actions. But Abby? Takes it like a pro and if it wasn't for Lev... think about Dina. No remorse. Just pure bloodlust.
To me getting your "babygirl" out of harms way no matter the cost (a cure was by far no sure bet and even if the sacrifice of Ellie would have brought forth a cure, who would have gotten access to it? The fireflies only? There'd be war about it and the world would still be a ***** hole. The virus on the other hand, was kind of an equalizer... if you want to see it that way) beats a buff girl holding a grudge for over 5 years to then just slaughter everyone mercilessly without remorse any day. Yes she likes dogs. Cute. Ellie likes Giraffes, so what? It's, like you say, an ugly world in TLOU and people die. Lots of people die. Many fathers die. I wonder where all the lines are of people waiting to get their personal vendettas against someone out there, because they lost someone.
Again. Subjectively, there was nothing remarkable about the second game at all. It's a story that's been told a thousand times (many times better) to me.
Loved the flashbacks. Wish those were the actual game.
Bunch of crybaby’s....just because you don’t like the story you wanna cry until it’s changed...that’s what happens to a society when you emphasize that everyone wins... there is no last place...a bunch of whiny babies....
Dare I say, that I like Joel, Ellie, AND Abby as characters?! Sue me, idgaf crybabies! I’m creeping closer to the end, but I’ve still got a little ways to go. I’ll agree that things happen that I didn’t want to happen, but that doesn’t mean it’s trash. It’s a really good game/narrative, and I’m probably gonna play through it multiple times.
You all laugh, but Snyder cut is a thing so...
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L It will be curious to follow. Let's see if something comes from that rumor.
@thefirst
It's just really dumb to start a petition demanding the impossible. If people don't like the story, so what? Why should anybody care if you like it or not?
Why do these people make a fuss about nothing when there's so many serious issues going on right now?
It's quite disturbing that people are so petty and self important that they want to register their displeasure publicly.
Just remember, you are not important in the grand scheme of things, computer games are not important and your view of a computer game is so unimportant it shouldn't even register as an issue.
Who are these obnoxious children who demand the world change to accommodate their personal preference?
Graphics, gameplay and audio were great, but the overall experience sucked.
I loved and hated the game but it’s too messed up to fix. It is what it is. The story was pieced together horribly.
Edit: Also, the blame falls on Druckmann and Gross, they were the writers and he was the decision maker. Everyone else just did their jobs.
@Starkei Oh come on. There are ppl who care about censorship that don't want the story in TLoU2 to be changed. I acknowledge that. But a lot of the ppl that always get mad about censorship are the same type of ppl mad at TLoU2. That seems hard to deny.
At least the person who started the petition should have enough balls to put their real name behind it? You'd think it would then have more credibility
Errrr 14,000.
Even Indies do not care about 14k petitions 🤦♂️
Damn Wendy. I saw this a couple days ago and just laughed. The level of entitlement is beyond absurd. I havent finished but can already tell you i dont think i will like it overall as much as one and the story it told...that being said ive ran the entire gamut of emotions from happy to pissed to sad to almost annoyed. That in and of itself is pretty impressive. It has managed to have scenes that genuinely make me smile as well. So you dont like someones story. THEIR story to tell however THEY want.
Yeah, because it's super easy, and quick to accomplish this. 🙄 People sure are stupid to think this will accomplish anything.
You didn't like the story? Okay, now the developers must drop everything and rebuild a game that took years to complete.
Do you not see how unrealistic that sounds???
Great, here come the Karen's. These cancel culture kids are ruining the world.
What is wrong with people, it's a game. smdh
Go re-watch season 8 of GoT you maniacs.
It upsets me to no end that we have raised a generation to think that they can get anything they want if they just complain loudly enough and continue to "ask for the manager", metaphorically speaking
I don't get the GoT Season 8 comparison. Will save that for the spoiler thread though lol
I don't think you can pull a Mass Effect on this one. It feel like you would have scrap half the game.
Has the gaming community really become this entitled and toxic. This is sad. It'd be hilarious if ND just said f*ck all you, and cancelled any future TLOU games.
@1_W1NG3D_4NG3L @keihtg
Agree completely mate. It will never happen.
As if Disney would ever bow down to some entitled turds.
@GamingVeteran
I feel for my kids growing up with all these gonks around.
@Landstalker
I didn’t like the British referendum result we should redo that aswell....oh no we tried that all ready.
I loved the story. They took a risk and it paid off for me, and honestly it felt perfectly in line with the story of the first game. Bad things happen to bad people. And they are ALL bad people. Very well written. I’m sorry it didn’t make everyone happy but damn it was impactful. I will save my thoughts on specifics until the spoiler thread but as far narrative goes it felt justified to me. Loved it.
I'm not surprised. This is the unfortunate legacy of Mass Effect 3. I beat the game earlier this week and thought it was a masterpiece that was faithful to the world and characters from the first game, and especially to how the first game ended.
Seriously hilarious, some of the comments on the petition are some of the most whiny and entitled things I've ever read.
I really can not stand people like this. The games story is a masterpiece in storytelling. If you do not like it you are all free to have your opinions but to think you are going to get the story redone because you did not like the direction it went, that’s absurd. What all this complaining tells me is that you have no idea of the irony or redemption path both Ellie and Abby were on.
Also it is impossible to be “manipulative” in any such way. ND created the game and they can do as they please with it. ND never once said that you’d be playing Ellie for 100% of the game.
@carlos82 If Sony was willing to abuse the copyright system of YouTube and other platforms to remove any negative feedback, are you gonna tell me they wouldn't remove negative ratings in their own platform? Specially at launch when it most matters?
People have completely wasted their time with this petition. Think what you want about the story, but Naughty Dog is not going to pay to have all of the actors come back to do motion capturing, people to come in and re-write and then remake the game, etc. That's the only way to do dramatic story alterations. Good luck doing that with what we've been given.
Should have made it a petition to have it discussed in the UK House of Commons. Then at least the issue might get some national-level attention. Addressing a petition to the people who made the bad decision doesn't work, you have to petition a higher power.
Aaaaaah...to live in the age of entitled brats that kick and scream and throw tantrums when things dont go exactly how they want them to go. Amusing as always.
Can we stop saying "bots"? +60000 reviews on matacritic are not all bots, 60000 dislikes on ign review are not all bots, reviews on the ps store are not all bots. And all the comments on every YouTube review are not all bots. To admit that the game has a major problem is better than trying to cover it up and call every negative review a fake or robot. Even ign Japan is getting $h!ť for giving the game a 7. Criticism is a tool you should use to get better not turn your back on it and insist what you've done is perfect.
Do you think naughty dog will change anything if only 12,000 people signed a petition can someone remind those people how many copies were sold and the fact is yes whats happened has happened cant change it, naughty dog took their approach as their own and it needed some real shock in it to give it emotion just like the first one without emotion and for what it is the game wouldnt even be as good as it would be a proper story.
Petition is dumb but the point is : the game is divisive but the press will not admit it whereas, for instance, they call the PS5 look 'divisive' because some people dont like it.
Oh my god this is so juvenile and entitled. Naughty Dog owes these people nothing. They can make whatever game they like, these babies don’t have to buy it.
I’m pretty certain a good chunk of these people watched the spoilers, made a snap decision about ‘boycotting’ the game and then went ahead and bought it anyway.
I applaud Naughty Dog for sticking to their guns and not pandering to these bullies.
@Scollurio
I think there is something to be said about the level of detail, polish, and then the sheer size of the game that shouldn't be discounted.
I feel like this game is a brainlet filter.
@Scollurio allegedly..............absolutely no truth in it at all.
@Scollurio that's a completely out of touch comparison. Their not even the same kind of game.
This game took you out your comfort zone. Makes you do things you don't like.........
This story went from love to hate, there's a reason it took the path it did. None of us are free of consequence, Joel had it coming he made bad decisions just like everyone in this mad world does. It caught up to him the hate and vengeance of his choices. Ellie changes that by not going down the path of revenge.
I'm stunned people can't see the true message in this game.
I thought the story was amazing could someone please tell me me what all the whinny babies are unhappy about because it was top notch to mr
A bunch of homofobic cry babies....
Don't agree with the idiotic petition, but honestly didn't care much for the story. Felt a bit unfocused. Gameplay and graphics are still astonishing but story was too maudlin for me. But that's my opinion and should never affect anyone elses enjoyment of the game.
@carlos82
What is the point you are trying to make? Are you aware that back in early May, way before it was released to anyone (even reviewers), it already had 2500 5 star ratings?
I am against review bombing of all forms and i do believe the petition achieves nothing.
I do not care about the petition as the story can't be changed but still ... the angry mob here is appalling.
This is a Sony fan site ofc people will love all exclusives but still ...
Negative feedback is NOT allowed anymore?! I mean real feedback not 0/10 reviews.
And do not act like those positive reviews are more real than the negative. I read them. "10/10 perfect game" is NOT real review.
90% of the independent reviews (streamers and people that played the whole game) give the game 5/10. It is fair. It is NOT fulfilling, just shock value.
This is about as stupid as all those people tearing down statues everywhere and whining about rebel flags over you know what.
Pure idiocy! Just play the game and if you don't like it that's fine. Play something else and move on!
@carlos82 Ok, now this is an outright lie. This had thousands of 5 star reviews a month before the game was released.
You do not need to have any Sony game to be able leave a review on the PS store.
Its been that way for years.
But aparantly, positive review bombing is ok, right? Even before its out?
Both sides have gone out their way to boost or reduce the metacritic score.
But the fake scoring started with Sony weeks ago.
Please check your facts before making sweeping statements.
Y'all just damn mad about what happened. There is no eye for the art in this game. I don't get what's bad about it. The storyline? Needed, amazing, shocking. The graphics and art? Amazing, incredible. the enemies? Difficult. It's a ***** action (maybe?? Adventure. Yeah) game god damnit. You don't like it? Great amazing, not everyone's gonna like a game but forcing someone to recreate it just for your own damn pleasure? That's where others draw the damn line.
@Scollurio Ellie changes that in the very last minute, great. Then loses all while someone else walks free. I did get the message it just wasn’t written very well.
Thanks for the the spoiler you idiot.
There's a depth to the story if you take the time. You don't watch Disney's Up and knock it off because you didn't like the start. My opinion of the game changed when I had a greater understanding of the story. Life has consequences some of which can be very hard, hopefully people learn to become a better version of themselves. I would be upset if the story was charged.
When this blows over the next target will be CyberPunk 2077 you can see it a mile away.
Not everyone likes the same five star movies so why would this be any different.
Respect other people's decisions and let's enjoy gaming, it's amazing 😍🏆😎
I don't see any possibility of a change in the story but what Naughty Dog can do is a remake of the first TLOU for the PS5. There will also be a TV series based on the game which Naughty Dog can choose to further extend the earlier part of the story.
The only reason this game is getting crapped on should be painfully obvious and it ain't the game itself. Those people are the ones with the problem. Though i do sorta think some of the shall we say controversial content could have been left out and the game would have been just fine. I didn't need to see what i saw but whatever. In the end it's the gameplay and fun factor that matters most to me.
@Shamefulswine I wasn't aware it has so many before launch and yes thats stupid as well, how do you review games you're not playing though? The only option I see is when the game is installed
@get2sammyb can we get comment #152 deleted please. Someone didnt bother to read your opening post about no spoilers 🤷♂️🤦♂️
@DavLFC delete the recap in your comment buddy. Ive asked his comment be deleted 👍
@thefirst agreed bud - 7 year wait for us to get an utterly gash story and bletent lieing to the fans during damage control and info on the game - they need a proper solid kick in the nuts and for that kick to be repeated for 12 hours - that would be a fine punishment in my eyes 🤣
@Scollurio well clearly not! Not well written...........each to their own!
The whole point for everything, every little choice came down to that last moment, that was the whole point 🤦♂️🤦♂️
How someone can rise above vengeance and stop the repeating pattern of going down the same route of hate!
If she'd of got the revenge you wanted so bad it would have been the worst decision as it would have showed nobody can learn anything in this world.
You missed the point completely
@Chromeshift This Was Also What Kratos Tried to Teach Both His Son And Baldur In God Of War.
I wonder how many of these manbabies have actually played the game?
13 hours in and I absolutely love this game. The flashbacks are poignant for sure but also fun to play, the infected are more terrifying than ever and the human enemies are amongst some of the smartest in gaming history and those dogs as well, don't go easy on old Fido or your face will be crushed!
The world-building is off the charts, the score is brilliant and brilliant at putting you on edge and the story is something out of a Western.
I don't get the hate for it, i truly don't. This game had a target on its back ever since that first trailer revealed Ellie kissing Dina. Some 'fans' were up in arms but if they had played Left Behind they'd already know that Ellie is a girl that likes girls. Clearly they're not that big of a fan.
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The only downside is how loud it makes my PS4 but at times it feels like a small miracle that it plays on a base PS4 anyway.
Another downside is knowing at some point I'll finish it and it will feel, for a time anyway, like no other game is worth playing.
If you have played the game and don't like it nor the story then that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. Signing a petition asking for the story to the changed so that it's more palatable for your tastes? That's not just sad, it's also incredibly arrogant. ND didn't choose to make the game they made on a whim, they obviously have their reasons. Why not try and understand these choices, don't have to agree with the choices but agree with the artists right to make these choices.
It feels like a Part II rather than a straight sequel, a natural continuation of the story and world. Yes it can feel quite bleak at times but so did the first one or did I play a different version of The Last Of Us from some other folk!
This petition though....
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Personally I'm on my second run and enjoying it a lot more with better weapons etc. There is so much detail in this game and the story is great. You need to embrace the concept of vengeance and its consequences. 'If you pursue revenge, prepare to dig two graves.' Yes it was a bitter pill to swallow in the second half of the gameplay after the initial shock moment but it is the creators vision. He said many times before release, it will be challenging to your sense of right and wrong.
It also touches on diverse issues in a post apocalyptic world that people don't really talk about in this world. Maybe that offends some people? I say good on the studio for trying to push the boundaries of peoples perceptions as well as the limits of the tech.
Asking for a petition to change it? Get a grip people. If you're going to moan like a toddler over it, then you got the game you deserved.
Part 1 was about love. Part 2 about revenge and what is costs. I hope the studio ignores all the hate and makes Part 3 and resolves it with Redemption.
@Chromeshift I did get the point. It's just not a pleasant story to play (and yes that's what Druckman set out to do). Ellie stopped the cycle, but it cost her everything. And irony, if she wouldn't have gone at all, Abby would have died.
And what you propose as the "moral of the story" doesn't affect Abby at all. She seems to be fine with all the madness going on. If she'd be more "human" maybe players could have related to her more.
@Crowley22g I do get all that, but where's the consequences for Abby? Part III?
I was actually one of the people that was very unhappy with the leaks and was seriously considering giving this game a pass..........but
I now have the game in my hands and I'm around 11 hours in and I will admit that there are some out of character actions that don't suit certain characters but other than that the story is nowhere near as bad as people are moaning about and so far this game is a masterpiece. These "reverse" SJW's really need to shut up now because it's not deserved.
I was delighted to see this game selling so we'll because it it deserves it and y'know what, I actually like it more than the first one and it may just be my game of the generation.
Petitions like this are dangerous - felt the same after The Last Jedi (which I liked) and Game of Thrones (which I hated).
Storytellers need to be allowed the freedom to tell the stories that they want to. Pandering to fans is safe and boring.
Do you want to know why real fans are so disappointed?If you realy want to hear our opinions, just be open minded! Stop copy pasta that we don't like TLOU2 because of LGBTQ agenda! The real reasons are absolutely different! It's not the only one petition that was creative. Do you want objective reasons? Here they are http://chng.it/KfGFqgwZZx
@nessisonett I will say that, ironically, a big part of the reason for the backlash is precisely that - that they did in fact pander. I don’t feel Neil Druckmann’s intentions were pure. It felt he wanted to virtue signal and pander, rather than tell a continuation of the story that we fell in love with in the first game. Story comes first, every time. You can’t value subverting expectations at the expense of story.
People can say, well, this is what happens in the world; deaths are abrupt and can happen out of nowhere. Fine, but don’t make the characters make illogical and out of character choices to get there.
The story was weak and the pacing felt off, with seemingly no idea where to place one scene after another, and the ending didn’t make any sense with what came before it. It felt half finished, and you can’t expect fans to be happy with that after paying money for it.
I wish our sales were in the same league as naughty dogs games.
@Jmatt_021
Got that right! Let the creators tell the story that they want to tell. I never felt such ownership of a property as a fan that i had to demand changes to my liking. It's predictable and pretty selfish too.
Btw i too liked the last jedi! Good to see I'm not alone.
@Scollurio it's not meant to be a pleasent game to play, it's meant to piss you off and put you into positions you don't like. Not all gaming is Mario running around jumping on turtles. If you don't like this kind of narrative then I suggest you stop playing this type of game. From the first moment of LOU 1 you realise this game won't be pleasent, there is no pleasent in a world like this so what were you expecting exactly. Joel and Ellie walking off into a sunset with a beautiful orchestra playing or some other cliche way of storytelling..........
............Please!!!!
Sick and tired of entitled, toxic gamers these days.
If you dislike a films plot you don't "demand" they change it you just leave a bad review which is all that's needed.
Unfortunately there's been a sustained campaign against TLOU2 since the leaks and the amount of zero star reviews left before and as the game launched are a sad testament to that as they simply can't be anything else.
It's a seriously incredible game for me personally and I totally agree with the perfect scores it's been getting but then I made a point of avoiding spoilers and didn't 'expect' anything.
There's plenty in this world to get genuinely angry about at the moment, this is certainly not one of them.
This what mass censorship looks like just so everyone can finally be clear about it and stop whining when Sony removes their favorite T&A simulator.
@playstation1995 were they allowed to talk about it?
Snowflake Town was obviously out voting again, FFS get a grip. That's live and not a wishing concert. Get over it or stop playing games. I'm 41 and never complained, I might not liked a game, the story or its ending but I moved on and played something else. I haven't played TLoU2 yet but I will probably love it even if I might not like the ending but I will agree with it as that's what it meant to be by the creators! *RANT OVER
@EthyTower Fully agree there.
@Rob_230 now i know this is a whole petition and yeah i do think its dumb it ain't gonna happen i disliked what they did with the story everything about it feels wrong to me thats my opinion everyone has one. But there is one thing is disagree with you "its just a game" now yes its a video game but to some people these games have great meaning in their life either it was helping them go through a tuff ordeal in life or just that it got them really into a specific genre of games and greatly respects said game i am one of those individuals that has grown up with these fantastic games and used them to help me deal with some tuff crap that has gone through my life and i still use them for that purpose i respect every games developer out there god knows what they go through on a daily basis when developing their games but i definitely the most passionate games developers would disagree with that statement "its just a game" its their lifes work
I don't like the story either, but a petition to demand changes is just silly. It won't accomplish anything. For better or worse this is the story that Druckmann wanted to tell and not even a billion signatures would convince him otherwise.
I beat the game just now. Here's my review of the game.
The game was hyped and controversial of 2020. 7 years in the making and the wait wasn't worth it to say at least for most of the fans of this franchise. Last of Us 2 has somewhat terrible writing that makes no sense to the plot from the first game like at all. Playing this game makes you wonder if you're playing in a different world of the last of us. I don't understand why have real world political correctness into a video game that makes no sense when the human race is on verge of being gone from the world but yet the game suffers human sexuality like every 5 mins like okay yes, you are gay now can we move on?
The game literally had flags of pride into the game which was out of place in this game. The game suffers alot of dialogue that were extremely cringe worthy that makes Ride To Hell dialogue look better.
Playing a brand new character made me mad and I really didn't want to play anymore. I want to play the main characters of the first game not a new hulk thing that made the game hard to play cause I can't bound with this character not like Ellie. Sony falsely advertised this game..(chuckle) not surprised by Sony business practices they have false advertised and will continue to.
Last Of Us 2 has some technical issues that I will point out that these reviews by media journalists. The game makes the ps4 fan to go into hyper drive. Like not kidding my system was extremely hot. Bugs are extremely noticeable in act 2. Fps can drop to low 25 estimate guess in some areas. Some of lip syncing is a tad off, still noticeable. Crashes after crash frustrated me the most.
The writing of this game holds the game back and it's a shame that it could've be Sony's biggest and most highest ip they owned I give this game a 4 out 10!
@naruball. Of course because they say what they like about the game.and what they hate about the game.so yeah plsya.word up son
I do not care much for the petition, because I'm not buying for a while. From what I've heard from journalists and gamers that I actually trust, both the gameplay and story are mediocre. I've heard one state that they simply had no motivation to continue playing, pointing out poor plot choices and how the game now just inserts the zombies into the story without much thought, and it seems evident to me that it is not even comparable to the original.
Between that, the crunch, and Druckman vying for the spot of the next Randy Pitchford, I can't say I much respect this title or what it represents.
I do feel bad for the people who are disappointed with the game. There are many franchises that have had unfun, disappointing releases for me and it killed my enjoyment of that franchise's future releases. Stuff like Halo, Mass Effect, and Star Wars come to mind.
That said, a petition is pointless. I just do not engage with future releases anymore. I tried very hard to improve the Halo games (Halo 4 and 5 specifically) only to be shouted down and shouted out of that franchise, though oddly enough, it seems they are having to back track on that direction now anyway.
I do think there are issues with TLOU2. Ludo narrative dissonance being the most obvious. I personally think that reversing the playable sections and cutting the final sectiom would have had a greater impact. Have the new character be the initial character on their way to avenging their family, only to find that their target is connected to the first game. This would have given you chance to connect with the new character before showing their most evil side.
@HammerKirby3 sorry, don't mean to have a go, I just don't see a connection between this and being against censorship. I just put it down to dumb people with no respect for an artistic vision.
Im waiting for my harddisk so i can play it on the Pro. 😆
Why would anyone want this... everyone should be happy enough with them bringing out part 2 to begin with and now people want to change it, 0 sense and it’s disrespectful towards the creators of The Last of Us, just show respect since they delivered a game when they didn’t have to.
I can understand their frustrations, and I think a petition is actually warranted. I mean a lot of fans were roped in by certain marketed imagery and a sense that what we saw there was what we were getting in the game, but it was fabricated. Not to mention the ending does not give the player the means to feel justified or a sense of true closure, for either original main character, despite forced outcomes. This was a brutal, twisted, and helpless iteration for the long-awaited fan, with strange and ill-advised narrative choices. Many fans were deceived and used in my opinion to cash in on a new story which they rather would not have experienced. So yes, sign the petition, by all means, if you feel the same.
SJW at it again because they are not happy themselves yet 14,000 compared to the sales isn't really much is it
@nessisonett totally agree this is complete *****. I for one would not buy a game (or update it) if it was changed to please a bunch of idiots that spend time bombing on Metacritic.
@AdamNovice I don't want to dismiss your opinion because it's yours and you have every right to have felt like that but I totally disagree about how they've mistreated Joel and Ellie and I loved the first game so much I was ready to name my daughter Ellie if I ever had one. Yes Joel is gone early on but the flashbacks with him are some of the nicest and most heartfelt moment in the game, that whole Ellie birthday sequence is beautiful and man the last one right at the end of the game, it's Joel telling Ellie how much he loves him and Ellie wants to love him like that again. I find that scene so beautiful, to me it feels like the game is an ode to Joel. In a world where violence rules he used it to make an act of love but by doing that it brought so much more pain it's bittersweet and Joel has made some bad baaaaad things but I still feel like the game and the people writing the game still loves him so much. The revenge plot isn't new but I feel like the way they go about it is quite interesting, nothing has to be new, the first one was far from being original aswell. But anyway, I hope you don't take my message as an attack against your opinion, you have every right to feel the way that you do about the game, cheers.
@AdamNovice yes. An intelligent comment. Having just beat it on Tues night I gotta say I completely agree.
@carlos82 I've just finished it 5 minutes ago and thought it was fantastic, loved it. I enjoyed the walking dead and game of thrones for never knowing which character was safe and I enjoyed that in the game, it gave Ellie the motivation to make that journey. Great game.
I just finished it last night. Amazing game with an amazing story. Loved every second of it. Won't spoil it but the second half of the game really changes your perspective of how you felt during the first half.
@Katsuhono The thing is that whole birthday scene was the only time that had both the spirit and levity of the first game. I and many others wanted more of that instead of the revenge plot with a load of new characters.
ND could have made a far more compelling story by the game been set over the course of a few years after the first game where Joel & Ellie gradually become more estranged as she gets older through her suspicions from the last game.
If they had told that story for Part 2 instead, you would have kept most of the fans happy because you gave them what they paid up for. You also evolve both characters where Ellie becomes more independent and Joel comes to accept that in saving her, he nearly loses her anyway(which should have been the real consequence for his actions and not the vengeance one). It also gives a chance to slowly introduce the new characters from Jackson becasuse we get to know them as Ellie & Joel do instead of Part 2 just having them be there.
If anything Part 2 feels like it rushes to the the 3rd part without laying out the more critical ground work. For me TLOU2 as a game, is amazing if a bit too long but as a sequel to Joel & Elli's story it's for me a fundamental failure that loses the first's game spirit. But thanks for respecting my opinion, cos that's all I ask for.
@Odin1985x I feel you.
As for everyone who's rather listening to an "official critic review" than user reviews, no matter how well worded, here's an official critic review that's listed on metacritic (and made the overall score drop from 95 to 94) that really words it nicely, without spoilers or offensive language WHY people might be disappointed or upset with the game:
https://culturedvultures.com/the-last-of-us-part-2-review/
@AdamNovice Well put!
What's next, why don't we petition to change Hamlet? OR Don Quixote. Sad stories with tragic endings, I don't want to see those characters which somehow I identify as "belonging to me" go the way they go! Please, the point of art is to expose us to new points of view, not to please
@Gamakazil I also got a PS3, coming from XBOX360 solely for TLOU I. Bought it again as remaster on PS4. Loved it!
@thefirst probably the most sensible comment I’ve read in a long time. People react to what they perceive as extreme by going extreme the other way. Let them do them, you do you and everyone just chill.
Finished it yesterday and loved every second. Haters gonna hate, as they say.
The story is what it is, and they told everyone well in advance that it was going to be about "hate". It's also their story to tell as they wish. It's not going to change; nor should it.
If the story wasn't for you, suck it up and move on. They don't owe you anything.
I'll be kind, man.
Sorry, news just in: I've been informed "it's ma'am". And half my shelving appears to have been vandalised.
@Toypop
Hit the nail on the end. I was always going to buy this game after platinuming the 1st one on PS3 & PS4.
After beating Part 2, im selling my copy this
weekend as i know i'll never want to replay this.
This game was always going to sell well. Its probably going to be given game of the year which will prove to people that you can't trust gaming media, they support whoever they want to.
The next Naughty Dog game is a serious wait and see for me and i am sure for many people. We play most of the game as Abby yet they never show her in trailers. Why would i want to play as someone who did what she did
'Salty' 'Cry babies' 'Snowflakes' etc.
I can't stress enough how sick I am of people on either sides of arguments clogging up comments on articles using repetitive cliched internet buzzwords.
Be it games, politics or whatever else, both sides seem to think the insult was made exclusively to mean the type of people they're arguing against and never them.
At least use original insults and not copy other phrases in a kneejerk fashion, it doesn't make anyone look particularly intelligent.
I respect that some people just didn't enjoy the story.
But what about my opinion? I'm enjoying the game so there should be an option to disagree to a petition to change the story.
I've been playing the game every day since release for a few hours. I haven't finish it yet. I'm taking my time to explore. So I don't really understand how there were so many negative opinions just a few hours after game release.
Also many opinions are just unreasonable:
There are two types of criticism that just don't make sense to me;
I can understand the criticism of people that state that they just didn't enjoy the story.
But that's very different from petitioning to change it to be like what they imagined it to be.
As for the SJW criticism, you can't say you have no problem with Ellie being gay and then when a game comes out that puts it in your face you criticize it for doing it so. I didn't see anyone complaining how The Witcher 3 portrait things. Or how macho most of us felt playing Doom. We must have games that represent all of us. If Cyberpunk 2077 does it, if GTA, Red Dead do it and we're cool with it I'll just learn to accept the nature of The Last Of Us Part 2.
@Ken_Masters I don't think that's fair to say tbh. The story is very basic, it's not a complicated story at all, it's been told millions of times, it's just executed extremely well. I think people just don't like the direction of the story, which is a fair criticism. I disagree, I'm enjoying it, but I get why some people aren't happy.
Firstly, apologies if I allude to anything that you don't already know. Don't want to spoil anything for anyone.
I have to say, I didn't go straight to purchase the game and waited to see a little gameplay first before I made any commitments. I personally only got round to playing TLOU remastered this year and found it fantastic for the generation of games it was created for. That being said, I played (similar game) Days Gone and thought that, that blew TLOU out of the water.
Having played the first last of us and now experiencing the 2nd, I can see why people are upset, but I personally have just put this down and don't want to play it. Not just because of the moments in it, but because it is too linear and rinse and repeat for me. I think I would have been able to accept this, if I was given the characters that I really enjoyed from the first one, but being forced down another storyline half way through for characters that I just can't adjust to, makes me understand why so many people are venting. I get that people may enjoy this game, however it feels like it is missing something special and albeit a lot won't agree with me, Days Gone felt so much better to play through and gave me a much more satisfying feeling, so I would recommend those frustrated if they haven't already, go and play this and just block TLOU2 from memory.
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I know right. Now they just make a petition for everything. 🤦🏿♂️
@Rob_230 i totally agree with you. Spot on! I have completed the game twice already. Man it's just simply gorgeous.
Idiots. Just point and laugh I guess.
Brought to you by the same people who eat Tide Pods and demanded "safe spaces" on college campuses.
Acting like sequels are ALWAYS better than the originals...spoilers they never are.
mic drop
The leakers are my personal heroes. 50 quid is a lot of money to drop on something that's just going to make me miserable. So I can see why some people would get really mad over this, especially those that avoided the spoilers and were genuinely hoping to enjoy it. That said, it is what it is and the amount of time and effort to make the desired changes, well Sony will never greenlight it so chalk it up to a bad decision and exercise more caution next time.
The storyline is perfect as it is. It embodies true emotions and human vulnerability. Our real world has gone to s*** and this story fits the times so well. People complaining about it and signing a petition is just the kind of bratty entitlement that has become the American way. I say thank you to the writers and everyone involved in this game for creating something that brought out so many intense feelings in me. It was an awesome experience.
@AdamNovice don’t you think that’s a good thing in video games however? The unexpected disappointment in the sense of certain events within the game?
Was one of my favorite things about the show game of thrones. Nothing was safe. Sometimes tough to predict. Yet engaging.
To me ND came through with their choice of events regardless of what I wanted
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They're Almost at 50.000 😂 👏 🤣
@DigaMecR10 - I've been saying (to myself) for awhile now that a Joel/Tommy/Tess prequel would be pretty cool. I actually preferred that over expanding on the Joel/Ellie story since I kinda felt the first game's ending was perfect.
That said, I felt Part II was pretty powerful. It was a messier story to be sure but it kinda had to be. Otherwise what would be the point of revisiting these characters? And in the end I respect a creative team that's willing to kill its darlings.
Not sure I ever enjoyed playing as Abby but my hatred for her did diminish slightly as time went on. Mostly her portion of the story just left me feeling more sympathetic toward other characters.
And as someone who is highly sensitive to ham-fisted social justice nonsense (only because it far too often feels contrived and adds little to the narrative) I don't think this game was even in that ballpark. Are there LGBT aspects? Sure. But does the story read like a Greg Berlanti script? Not even close.
Imbeciles. I honestly can't comprehend the moronic behaviour.
Some people really need to look in the mirror and question their life.
Not only is it childish, pathetic and down right sad to begin with but it is disrespectful to real geuine people out there that use the facility for REAL and important matters.
Humanity is going to hell and these are the sort of fools that are in the driving seat
@funkerdoodle Yea Abby's story made no sense at all...
I mean she probably only had more loss, sadness, anger and motive than anyone else in the game, but it made no sense...
Total mystery. 🤔
LOL. Because 50,000 signatures are gonna make a difference when it sold 4,000,000 copies in the first few days. I personally love the story. It's not as good as the first in terms of story, but i still love it. I love how its set up and everything. I love the brutality, the detail. 50,000 signatures would just make Naughty Dog giggle. And to be honest, I think it's a hilariously ridiculous idea 😂 As others have said, just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it absolutely needs to be changed lol . It would take them at least 3-5 more years to throw a new story together, more money, and I'm sure most of the actors/actresses wouldn't even want to redo it. I'm sure most of them are proud of what they made the first time.
@Deadlyblack haha they can shove the petition right up the arse.
Sad people, it is a game ffs.
It’s funny, all the ppl complaining about Abby who fail to see the parallels between her character and Ellie’s...! I found these similarities quite striking, as I’m sure, was the intention. Imagine if Abby had been the protagonist right from the beginning of the franchise: how would we feel about Ellie and Joel then? And Ellie’s hatred and need for revenge actually far exceeded Abby’s, bc Abby was able to let go of her hatred not once, but twice, while Ellie kept the cycle going. I loved this theme of how revenge is a cycle and no one actually wins! It’s about putting yourself in another’s shoes and seeing things from a different perspective and this really resonated with me. I was blown away by this game and how it made me think and feel and I have nothing but praise for it. The graphics and gameplay were sick! Effing incredible.
@Ken_Masters I recently finished it, I loved everything about the story direction. What did you think?
@thefirst it's a great way to show how entitled they are and show how little they understood the first game
That's for sure
@WiserPaladin the leakers were right to snap all the idiot fans out of their delusion at Joel being a great guy
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