Why hasn’t the PS5 price and PS5 release date been announced yet? We’ve been talking about the same topic for the best part of the year now, and we’re still none the wiser really. Sony had an excellent PlayStation 5 unveiling, but outside of some minor driblets of information, it’s failed to really follow up on the event. And with Microsoft pulling back the curtain on its next-gen plans, the platform holder once again finds itself under intense scrutiny from the rest of the industry. So, just what is going on?
Firstly, it’s important to remember we’ve been here before. Earlier in the year, the Japanese giant was getting lambasted left and right from critics who felt that its next-gen console was about to crash and burn. Depending on the strength of your memory, you may recall Mark Cerny hosting a dreadfully drab GDC panel, which was watched by millions and told us very little about the realities of the hardware it was about to release. Meanwhile, Microsoft was out making moves, announcing games and promising monthly information.
The momentum has clearly swung out of Sony’s favour once more these past few days, but it can easily come back the other way. PS5 is almost certainly going to be more expensive than the Xbox Series S, that console is considerably less powerful and the PlayStation maker simply doesn’t have an answer to it – that much we know. However, there’s really no reason to believe that the console can’t be competitively priced; boss Jim Ryan has said that he intends to transition fans at record pace, and the company recently doubled its production capacity.
This is all during coronavirus, of course, which can’t be ignored. We believe both Sony and Microsoft have been unbelievably busy behind-the-scenes, but the pandemic has definitely made them more cautious than ever before. The manufacturer will know internally what dates and prices it’s targeting, but there are many pieces that need to be aligned before that information can be locked down – especially when it comes to a worldwide launch.
We reckon there’s another factor worth keeping in mind, though: the platform holder wants to put on a show when it dates and prices the PS5. Here’s the thing: we still haven’t seen tentpole next-gen titles like Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales and Demon’s Souls in action yet – the former of which is already confirmed to be a launch title. We’ve also been hearing mumblings of timed exclusives for months, and unannounced Uncharted games for years.
In other words: we’re anticipating a bit more spectacle to accompany the PS5’s price and date announcements. Obviously, there’s been some pretty good news coming out of the Xbox camp these past few days – even an ardent PlayStation fan would admit that. But there’s been a notable gap in its accompanying software selection, and that’s an area where we know Sony excels. We’re expecting another big game blowout, and then the all-important price and date announcements.
When that will come, we just don’t know. The platform holder plays by its own rules – it has for years now – but it generally gets things right in the end. The exciting thing for PlayStation is that it still, clearly, has so much to show. It’s hammered the DualSense controller down our throats, but we know next to nothing about the user interface or the kind of functionality that features like the Create button will bring to the table.
In that regard, we should be excited. There’s always a worry that things are on fire behind-the-scenes; that the console is a disaster and that it’s about to be delayed. While we won’t rule anything out in this pandemic-stricken climate, we’re just going to have to be patient a little bit longer. The PS5 is, presumably, around two months away, so there’s not much longer it can leave things now. All should be revealed soon…
Why do you think the PS5 price and release date is yet to be revealed? Are you expecting another big blowout in the coming weeks? Show us your hand in the comments section below.
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I can't imagine Sony will want Xbox pre-orders to go live without them showing their hand. Therefore, I'm expecting a blowout next week.
We'll see.
Patience is a virtue. I know as an ardent PS fan (doesn't mean I hate XBox) that whatever Sony does will be a spectacle and it'll be something I'll enjoy. They'll have games and just something interesting to show that we may not expect. I'm also not clamoring for price and date 'cuz the PS4 is still rolling along beautifully. I also don't need to stress on something I don't have control over...makes me look thirsty and desperate.
It's not just the price too.We're in the final stretch with out the games media getting any hands-on, games or console. I'm not pre-ordering anything until impressions begin circulating. Jeff Keighly ain't going to cut it.
At this point I don't even care about the price. I have more than enough saved up to get the console and any launch games I want. I just want to get the damn thing pre-ordered!
Frankly, at this point, it's hard not to think that Sony just didn't want to make the first move. Same with Microsoft, who despite not caring about selling consoles anymore, seemed to have the same mindset and only revealed the price when they lost control of the situation. Now that the bandage has been ripped off, I get the sneaking suspicion we won't be waiting much longer.
Because PS5 is 600 usd with huge losses with every unit sale. And production is behind schedule with probably a delay to 2021.
Believe me, i know people on internet.
Sony is probably going to announce the price next week, so was Microsoft seeing that the pre-order date is set for the 22nd their hand just got forced by a Xbox series S leak.
Then We can all move on to the next news cycle of what games are going to be released at lunch and is Microsoft ever gonna show anything running on an Xbox series xyz instead of just pre-rendered cgi, target renders or screenshots.
Cause it's going to be 599€ and they're trying to come up with a way that doesn't make it sound as bad as it is......even though it is....
I think ppl need to just keep playing games and distract themselves from this whole event or prices. It would make life much easier too.
When the pre orders go up, I think all of us will be ready for it and Sony will tell us.
Be chill ppl and beat those games..
I imagine that they are having meetings to see how they can undercut Microsoft on price, get the product to market first and announce their full release line up with a suitably flashy live stream.
Or as @Athrum said, they are panicking about how they can put spin on a massively overpriced bit of kit (remember PS3 launch?)
They could delay the damn thing until 2022. Still a butt load of games to play before I buy it!
@get2sammyb good insight. Didn’t think of that. MS could snag some folks just wanting a next gen console if they open up preorders. Perhaps, like most leaks, this was planned by MS.
I mean... who wants to leak without planning it?!
I honestly hope the 600€ rumors are just that.
Microsoft didn't start off well and had a few curve balls thrown at them, but now, they have the upper hand. I must confess I'm a tad frustrated. MS putting information out there and Sony talking about VR and Indie Games (all due respect to Indie Games). Adding insult to injury, they ask us to relax while Tweeting pics of Jin's bottom. I am really hoping they make an annoucement soon and hoping it's a good one. Ball is in their court, let's see how they play it.
@MarcurShaw @get2sammyb
Dream scenario, they come out with a £349 full system, mic drop, then pure silence for 2 weeks across all social media.
Boom! (I can dream)
@get2sammyb If sony has better/more competitive price than xbox, they want to reveals it near xbox preorder so microsoft can't react, $400 ps5 digital will put damper on $300 xbox s since ps5 is 100%+ more powerful than xbox s (10tf vs 4tf).
I dont think Sony even needs to have an answer to the Series S, seems to be a fairly pointless console in my eyes. Its like when a car manufacturer produces a bottom of the line spec with no extras or comfort options purely just so they can say "prices start from £XXX".
@curriemonster that would be a devastating blow to MS. Fingers crossed! (Although low expectations)
I can’t believe the 25 year anniversary of the PlayStation went by and Sony barely acknowledged it.
@SmileyK People enjoy discussing and making predictions. Nothing wrong with it, not harming anyone. That's why there is a comments sections and a forum, for exactly that.
@get2sammyb Hopefully 🙏🏾🙌🏾
@CieloAzure 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@HMazzy111 thats a terrible analogy. So many people cant afford top trim vehicles so they buy base models at much more affordable prices. As for the series s, im with you. If you want a next gen system....get a real one (ps5/series x). $400 or $500 is not comparable to vehicle prices. Its apples and dodges.
Possible reason for the delay? I think the most likely reason is that since they lost on lowest price (imo they knew that months ago but now they know by how much) they have to justify their price. But it could be manufacturing or distribution issues, launch title delays, or just wanting to tightly control messaging. But yeah, if we don’t hear more by 22 Sep then imo it’s probably delayed.
With the value of gamepass and price of the series S and X i believe this gen will be Microsofts, parents who want a cheap next gen console for their kids will flock to the series S and casuals who only play the big third party multiplats will also flock to the series S, this could be really bad for ain't unless they take a drastic approach in their pricing.
Nevertheless I will be getting a ps5 as the exclusives are phenomenal whilst Microsofts are pretty poor. And also I enjoy my JRPG's and niche anime games
Probably because Sony doesn't have the balls to tell us the final price is actually 699.99 It ain't gonna be affordable to the average gamer i can tell you that. Good thing PS4 isn't likely to completely die off for another 3 years at least. I'm fine with that.
@curriemonster - yea, i remember the ps3 launch - even at the price it was - fromthe time it launched, it outsold the 360 till the end of that gen.
If the ps5 is delayed by a few months then that's the nail in the coffin for sony this gen. They can't lose those holiday sales to microsoft
@get2sammyb - wow, sam, this afternoon your telling people to chill out - tonight it's gloom and doom.
If I was a betting man then I think the 599 price range was where both companies originally were looking at. I think Sony was willing to bring it down to 499; however, they wanted to see if Microsoft would announce at the originally rumored 599. No harm waiting as that would have given Microsoft some pain. Competition is good.
@HMazzy111 I disagree with your car analogy. I think it's better to say the PS5 is like a Supra and the Series X is like the Mustang Bullitt. Series S is a Fusion. Everyone wants a Mustang/Supra but a Fusion is fully capable of handling most of people's needs.
Same as the Series S. For fans that want the AAA titles that push the graphics to the limits this console wont be for them. If you got a kid who plays Fortnite and COD all the time this will fit their needs fine. It's these games that form the financial backbone for the PS and Xbox.
@TooManyBrownies You must be new here....
@get2sammyb I wasn’t before but I’m getting very concerned this thing will get delayed. If they don’t share any info before Xbox pre-orders go live then it isn’t making it this year. They should have a huge blowout with preorders next week
@TooManyBrownies Now you put me in the awkward position of defending Microsoft but here it is 😅
Saying is like a PS4 pro is beyond ridiculous. The CPU in the Series S is stronger then the cpu in the PS5, it also has ray tracing. Yes it has less TF but it will play all future Xbox games (plus all past games) so it certainly is a next gen console.
I will of course get a disc PS5 but I won't go out of my way to bash Microsoft after they have done a very genius move. I want Sony to respond to Microsoft's move, not try to downplay it and pretend nothing happened.
@TooManyBrownies I don't think you really understand what the Series S is fo you think its just an upgraded Xbox One, the Pro is no competition for what that console can do.
Sony really don't want to be waiting until after people can preorder the Series S/X before revealing their launch prices. Yet on the other hand for all of the talk of their consoles and prices, Microsoft seemingly haven't got anything to play on it that isn't on existing consoles
@curriemonster pure silence across social media would be nice anyway. And I mean ALL social media. Wonder what people would learn about themselves
@ArmyofOne arrogant or confident... they know people are going to get their console for the games.
As much as I like MSs Netflix model with gamepass... can’t play some of the best games ever on that or PC. Well... maybe PC, but I’d have to wait years after initial exclusivity.
PS5 with Disc maybe around $ 500, All Digital around $ 350.
I think they were as always waiting for MS to reveal their price, £500 has to be the most they will charge now because £450 for a Series X is very very good.
They're likely waiting because they didn't anticipate the XBOX payment plan that includes their online service.
It would be AMAZING if Sony did the same thing because then I could afford more launch day games.
Were just 2 months away. 2 MONTHS and that console will launch. Why hasn't Sony unveiled price and date? I don't know and I don't care too much anymore. I love my PS4 and Switch combo but come on. It's ridiculous not to know a date and price when we're (very likely) 2 months from launch.
All they have to do is say, digital console 300 and with disc drive 400 and boom they win, after all I don’t see why this new consoles should be expensive when I don’t see big differences from previous ones other than speed but that just my point of view as a casual who knows nothing of tech
@NYJetsfan123
Amen to that, so many more games left to play on the PS4 - and hey! a fellow JETS fan! J-E-T-S : )
Rumor has it the 4K Switch upgrade will be running petaflops rather than the pedestrian teraflops we've been hearing about for over a year. 😂
Thanks Microsoft for making Sony rethink their expensive new ps5. The CEO points to value over price which I interpret as a ps5 being pricey, probably $600 and $400 for all digital. The PS3 flopped when Sony did this and they eventually brought down the price. If this happens, I'll surely wait. Sorry Microsoft many of us gamers may not be enticed by Gamepass and a lower price because I have many PS4 games andx a PSN subscription for the next 4 years. On the other hand, some hardcore gamers like to have multiple consoles (switch, ps4, Microsoft), which may be their target audience here. Also, someone mentioned parents buying their kids consoles may go with lower price and ease of a subscription like Gamepass. Sony step up your game and make the ps5 affordable. Thx
@strawhatcrew
Hell yeah brotha! Jets! Jets! Jets!
I think after the Xbox prices they will rethink the PS5 prices.. My guess it was around 599 and 399 for the all digital version.
They have to stay on the same price level as Microsoft but can they afford that?
I bet right now they are working on something like they prob had something ready to go and now just need to double check then boom. Give it anywhere from a few hours to a few days.
Well Spencer said their reveal was planned for next week. Im guessing Sony is planning next week too.
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'The momentum has clearly swung out of Sony’s favour'
I disagree. The hype is getting even higher now. And contrary to some narrative, xbox prices and offering was predicted by most people, but we got to see clearly the SS is well....what it is.
The bosses at Sony are probably having meetings via Skype to see IF its possible to lower the price of the consoles LOL
Had no interest in an Xbox at all, but £29 a month for 2 years for the big Xbox version with game pass and ea stuff all thrown in, I really am starting to think My plan will be:
1) buy Xbox (powerful one).
2) over next 2 years play all Games I’ve never played previously inc any new games they release
3) 2 years down the line buy a PS5 once cheaper / improved model
4) buy all the next gen games I missed on ps5 but now for £10 bargain ps sale instead of £60 release day
I’m now desperate for Sony to convince me of a better option ASAP. And certainly before the Xbox preorders come in and I panic buy 🤣
@curriemonster
I believe that could be the price of PS5 DE and hopefully PS5 only £50 higher.
Fingers crossed 🤞
I don’t feel any sympathy towards Sony. If you don’t want a console war, then don’t release a console at the same time as XBox. It’s pretty obvious the XBX is a loss leader to get a customer base for games and subscriptions (with the hope of the subscription model being so successful it subsidises the price), but PlayStation still has a 5 to 1 advantage on 1st party IP over Xbox. Why bother winning the early war when you can pick people up later with stuff people want to play?
@TooManyBrownies
I'm with you. For a one console owner the xbox SS would be a terrible investment and most people dont need more than one console / echosystem. For a non informed consumer it's nearly a scam.
Sony will always have its incredible library. The issue is see in pricing is that Xbox Series S... Its sat at a good price for folk who don't want premium but can happily use Gamepass and get decent quality... Personally I think MS has too many consoles.... Why push Series X but have a lesser console?. When I buy a console I buy the ultimate. Sony I am sure have a plan and pricing may well be the same as MS offerings?...
I keep seeing Gamepass popping up as a god thing.... Not for me. I like to own my games not rent them.
Hopefully Sony gives us their plans this week?... Concerned about the Pre Order program.... Makes it sound like very short supply?... This could potentially be dangerous?. Myself and some friends who have gamed from the 70s all have had place holders on PS5 for months but if we can't get one we have a Series X placed too.... as we want to get into the next gen on Day 1...
Its a tricky business but gamers need to know. Need to save and build a plan to buy....
@HMazzy111
It also means Microsoft can stop production of the current gen entirely and get much better pricing on parts for the new gen and turn a profit quicker.
@Juanalf
It's not about bashing but look carefully at the RAM and the SSD storage and that Ms funnily forgot what a Tflop is now in their video and you may doubt its 'next gen'.
To be fair. All the Microsoft info leaked. That’s why they shared all their info. It was all planned for next week, so it’s not like Microsoft was ready to share their own cards just yet.
Sony probably had the same timing though, so just expecting more info next week.
While Microsoft claimed them not being in the same console wars as Sony, they did not actually want to be the first to give more info. Sony is exactly the same, so they will definitely do something with the new info on the Xbox front.
Though in case of Xbox and Ps5, they were both WAY too late to share info with the people. A lot of people can’t afford a console just like that, so they both definitely lost momentum and thus people buying the consoles at launch. (Luckely I can afford it though, so getting m both, next to owning my Switch already lol)
@SmileyK Wrong because it can swing your decision, if your not interested in exclusives and are sat on the fence, then features like how quiet the console is, the interface and it’s features can persuade you. I like the new Xbox quick resume feature, does the PS5 have that?
@Darylb88
I see it this way: there is only £50 difference for digital but Sony makes the effort to undercut Ms
So £350 and £400
That s what I hope for.
Or
There IS more than £50 difference and then they leave the PS5 at a higher price.
So £350 and £450
We know they waited for Xbox to go first, but if they reveal the price to quickly after Xbox's price reveal it'll just look obvious, cheap and somewhat desperate.
They should give it a week, reveal it next Monday after PS VR week is over. Or take the time to generate a good response to Xbox's new financing and online package (which is the real threat, not the £249 upfront console price).
All I can say is, the the xbox s has received significant demand for orders from retailers in the u.k.
I figure it's primarily due to it being so cheap and at this time looks like it will out sell the series X.
I hope Sony announce a subscription/payment plan model for buying a ps5. Maybe something along the lines of $32 a month for 24 months gets you a console and ps+ subscription, direct from Sony!
Edit: while writing the above post I hadn’t yet read about Xbox subscription model for their new generation. If Sony can’t do something similar they will definitely lose the next generation battle before it’s even started!
Sony should announce an event in 22 of this month, the day pre orders go live for the Xbox to steal their moment
I’d expect the PS5 to reveal price, date and when it’s available to pre-order sometime next week, if not then fans should be rightly worried.
As for price I really can’t see the digital model being less than £400, it’s still the same powerful PS5 as the disc-based model and if there is only a £50 difference between the two models then I really don’t see many people bothering with the digital model but would rather pay the extra £50 for the disc drive. If it was £100 difference then that could make people to consider saving money.
Xbox has given them a deadline, they have to reveal something before the 22nd or they will lose sales. You've got to assume next week things will start happening.
I want to know, but I understand why they are keeping it under wraps. I feel that they are responsible for the fake leaks that have occurred in Australia, Japan etc. They are using it to guage the market without outright saying so.
I wonder though, if people can't afford to buy into next gen gaming, might not they wait a little longer to buy their console of choice, rather than but their second choice? Whether that's XSX, or likely the PS5 in this context as it's anticipated to be the most expensive of the two.
In my mind, the real place that Microsoft has a massive edge is their monthly price plans. Put it this way, I have Gamepass Ultimate. For an extra £9 a month I can continue with this AND get a Series S. It means I may end up double dipping.
@Lyonjak Yep, let the fireworks begin, and get the popcorn 🍿 ready. Loool.
@Darylb88 This is really interesting, as it makes me wonder about a second problem Sony might have from offering a cheap console.
If more people buy an Xbox, just because they can, it'll also inevitably mean less PlayStation software sales than they'd otherwise receive. Eating into profits there is the real concern, as that's where losses are recouped for hardware sales, as well as where long-term profits are made.
Maybe they won't go so cheap as a result? Who knows. I imagine they would need an enticing games subscription and/or hardware financing package in any case to help mitigate such a possibility.
PS3 launch was great for me, I still have my full fat day one PS3 on the shelf in my game room. I remember coming home with Resistance, Fall of man and Blue Earth Blu Ray disk set. PS will give us the details shortly and we will all be happy again
I really hope SONY don't do a Ken Kutaragi again :-/ (I LOVE Ken tho) If the 2 consoles had the same power etc etc then SONY could go over $500(just a bit tho) but it will be suicide if SONY price the PS5 over $500 :-/ Come on SONY!!! take the hit and price it under $500!!! + the non-disc version under $400 to.
@Rudy_Manchego Those offers are being underwritten by the retailer.
Hell of a deal if you ask me, 20 quid a month gets you a console and game pass ultimate plus ea's game pass.
@Boxmonkey Absolutely, personally I quite like their PS Now offering. Maybe they could bundle that with PS Plus and it'd be quite compelling. They'd still make money from exclusive new releases too.
I really do not think either Sony or Microsoft were waiting for the other to go first. Microsoft hit their target price range they set out two years ago to third party publishers. If Sony hit theirs, which leaks from manufacturing costs suggest they should, then Sony will be fine. The PlayStation division has a massive war chest from the PS4, the attached software rate of the PS4 is the best in console history, and I'm pretty certainly they're in a healthy position. The only thing Microsoft have done that might make Sony consider things is the payment plan stuff. Otherwise I think Microsoft are exactly where Sony expected them to be. If Sony undercut Microsoft on the XSX and try getting close to the XSS with the Digital Edition, it's because that was always the plan. Sony do have a lot of things they need to get out to consumers now, so I expect them to start showing their hand soon, if they don't, then sure, panic. However, they knew the cards they were dealt when they started fabricating their APUs, and they chose to double production, so I think they're feeling fine. To wrap up though, Microsoft have delivered and executed their plan, they think the XSS will outsell the XSX 3 to 1 in the first two years, so those saying the XSS isn't a factor don't understand where a good chunk of the market is.
I really hope Sony is taking so long cause they have something important in their sleeve! Because oh boy...yesterday people were praising Xbox so much for the ultimate gamepass/ea play deal!
Sony have been incredibly poor at selling us the PS5 so far imo, they really need to up their game and the only way they can do that now is by competitively pricing the PS5.
Let’s be honest, like Microsoft or not, they have been open and honest about what their next gen machines will do and now how much they will cost, they’ve been ahead of Sony at every step leading up to the new gen. Add on gamepass and buying either MS console seems like great value.
PS5 event pretty much has to be next week. September 22nd is a Tuesday and Sony said preorders would be announced in advance so the event can't be after September 18th but at the same time the event can't be on September 10th-13th because Sony said this week is all about PSVR which leaves September 14th - 18th.
Not worried, the Playstation brand is certainly strong enough that it won't matter what pricing the competition brings. Especially in Asia where it's Playstation dominant centric
IMO just show us the launch lineup and the price, it'll sell regardless
I think the price and release date will hit with some new game information. That will swing in Sony's favour.
Talking about price and power is going to be a losing battle for Sony. All fanboy stuff aside the S is a great deal for the average consumer and the X is a good price for the "full" next gen experience.
As others have said though, Halo is delayed so the console isn't launching with much. If Sony reveal some Miles Morales and Demons Souls footage, announce a new game and then say the price and date, the attention will be on the games again, which is Sony's strength.
Agree that Sony have to at least match the £449 of the X. The S is different as it is weaker than all the others so targeting a brand mew market essentially. But for the moderate to hardcore crowd (non biased) then Sony should really try to match the price of the X.
I think we'll see some info next week. Should be good. Again it's win win for all us gaming fans at the moment.
@darksoul77 Thats €240 a year, €480 2 years, 720 3 years i think thats quite some money. And thats without a pricehike in the future.
Its simple Sony can not come in cheaper and now they are afraid because there will be a significant price difference to Series X
I see Sony taking a very smart move by not giving us anything yet. They seem to want to do it later closer to release rather than earlier when hype dies down. When MS done their stuff first, they become yesterdays news and Sony obviously want to be the newest and biggest news. Today we will be thinking about what MS have announced but tomorrow we could be thinking about Sony instead. And when we get Sony's news, there's a good chance many of us will end up so hyped we are more likely to pre-order their console.
@Flaming_Kaiser you get a new console and thousands of games. It's a no brainer for someone who is financially challenged during these tough times.
@Flaming_Kaiser also it's like Higher purchase they can't hike the price mate that would be breaking the law in the UK!
I'm gobsmacked at everyone thinking they are going to get a proper next gen console for anything less than £500.
Srsly, people need to get thier expectations in order. £349 for a PS5. I nearly peed myself laughing.
A pc gaming rig, custom built will run you 3-4K, an prebuilt PC will cost in the region of £1800 to £2000, a freaking new smart phone will cost you £1000 ffs? And you are expecting a new console for sub £500? No wonder there's going to be a lot of butthurt people. Y'all living in 2007.
£500 for a next gen console is an amazing price. I'm fully expecting PS5 to be in the region of £600 and I'll be quite happy with that, anything over that might be a bit hard, in these times.
@darksoul77 Even better for Microsoft! I mean it is a bargain and I tend to only use my Xbox for digital and Gamepass games anyway which is pretty much what this system seems to be about.
@BNAG_Gamer LOL if Sony are using Microsoft Skype, then their calls are definitely getting tapped
@Iroha the new Xboxes are both under £500, so it's clearly possible
@Iroha U mean like the next gen more powerful X Box Series X at £449, cos you know thats under £500, Sony will at least need to price match them on that, they have got the games and install base to back up that price point, if they really are going to launch at £500 or more then they are going to really have to prove why its worth it, for a lot of us we will still get a PS5 at £500 but even I was really tempted by the green team for the first time yesterday.
But I do hope they price match and set the pre-order date before 22nd September as a nice little comeback.
Thinking about it logically PlayStation increased the amount of systems they planned on making ready for holidays season this year for a reason. They must have learnt about Microsoft subscription plans and followed suit. It wouldn’t surprise me if they went super aggressive and priced their two systems at exactly the same price point as Xbox.
People also have to consider that Xbox's Console Market and Service is not going to be even available in a lot of markets around the world, while Playstation have grounds in even 3rd world countries
You can hardly find an Xbox in most regions and if you do, people still won't consider it because of how popular Playstation/Nintendo is
The price point is an interesting one, Sony don't need to match the Xbox pricing IMO, but if they wanted to do I reckon they could afford the financial hit and deal MS a proper sucker punch. Very much doubt it'll happen though. Like Sammy says I expect all will be revealed within the next week otherabouts. Either way I'm getting a PS5 - it's got the games I want and that's all there is to it. But I fully expect to pick up an Xbox Series S/X at some point too, probably on one of those 2 year payment deals when I switch to a cheaper phone contract.
Ps5 with disc £479
ps5 without disc £429
job's a goodun.
Like I have said before, price is pretty much irrelevant to any one who is already planning on buying either of these consoles, people just want to be able to order one.
@HMazzy111 But the Series S is a next gen console. Gears of War 5 at 120 FPS.
@__jamiie The best answer I think for the series s from Sony would be to drop the price to 299 for the PS4 Pro still has a lot of life in it, can run 4K even has a Blu-ray. The 120fps is useless because most people don’t have a fully capable hdmi 2.1 tv anyway. And all that VRR ULL and 120fps that’s just the hdmi 2.1 spec. IT WILL NOT RUN AAA games at 120fps, bomber-man or Tetris maybe. People should not get fooled by the “Market Magic”
@gmxs Yeah, that's what I said. £500 is a great price. It's the folk saying it needs to be 350 or even 400, i'm saying reality check too.
Regardless of what MS do, I won't be buying an xbox because I am not interested in being sucked into thier ecosystem. It's more about getting people paying that monthly fee than anything else. I don't really play sports games except maybe MLB the Show, so not interested in EA play being bundled in with it, and not really interested in any of the games in gamepass. Just the normal dull grey FPS and ancient indie games on it.
If sony match the top end price or are a little higher and do a deal with PS+/Now and offer monthly payments, I'll be more than happy enough. Cause I know they have the games to back the system up. And I'd rather pay for my games and own them. Quality over quantity.
Xbox are killing it this week imo, will definitely be getting one of their models along with a ps5
@Iroha Fair enough I fully believe Sony were hoping to release at £500 but after yesterday just makes it a bit more tricky for them, so hoping they do price match.
@SilkySmile89 If they dropped the pro like that, I'd probably invest in it too tbh. Upgrade the PS4 which is on it's last legs but that I have enough games to play on it for quite a while.Wait unitl the Ps5 has some of it's juicy exclusives out.
@Carck And I'm pretty sure Sony will be happy to give MS the 'holidays' then, cause £350 for a discless PS5 is madness. That's the same price as a bog standard Switch?? And anyone expecting that are going to be disappointed. LOL
@HMazzy111 LOL THIS! Its just a reskin of thier current console really, with minor adjustments.
@Fenbops Sony is the only one showing next gen games running on the hardware, but i guess that doesnt matter?
There are still other issues as well; there seems to still be confusion over backward compatibility, for example. No reviewers have had sight of the console in the flesh, yet it is set to come out in November? Can't see that happening tbh. If they don't launch before xmas, that has to effect sales, surely; MS will really have the jump on them.
@darksoul77 You cant increase prices off PSN or Xbox live in the UK? So also things like Netflix will never become more expensive that really interresting.
@__jamiie Well there has too be some difference the SSD is slower and smaller. Its 4TB with more RAM and a lower resolution. The graphics probably are going too be scaled back why would you buy a Xbox Series X if its a real next gen?
@Rudy_Manchego I'm thinking in November I'm gonna pay up front for the ps5 an extra controller and the dock maybe a couple of games and sign my name as well to walk out with the xbox s with the game pass as well.
@Flaming_Kaiser no they can increase prices the deal is you sign up for to pay £20 a month for 24 months for an xbox s and they throw in 24 months of game pass ultimate for free. After the 24 months your on your own.
@darksoul77 it's £30 a month for an X with 24 months game pass as well.
As a gamer rather than a fanboy I see it as a good thing that xbox are looking to be back in the game as it may get Sony to take their head out of their arse and improve the value of their services. Gamepass with ea access included destroys ps now and it may take losing some market share before we all start to benefit. Sony have lived off some amazing first party titles this gen and it looks like this will continue but I think they need to up their game in other respects...
@Flaming_Kaiser The Series S will be able to play all future games from the upcoming generation. The Series X will play them with higher fidelity in all areas and includes a 4k Blu-ray drive.
There are no upcoming games that will be built solely for Series X.
In the same way that PC gaming has a range between minimum requirements to run a game right up to max settings on high end PCs.
It's a very extreme example of the difference between a base PS4 compared to the PS4 Pro.
Microsoft's whole mantra for a while now is about compatibility and choice.
I'm excited to see how Sony fire back because Xbox are doing great with their hardware message right now.
@Darylb88
Oh it maybe wishful thinking from me but I'm wishful thinking it as hard as I can haha
We ll see.
Dont forget to put that money aside for your extra SSD that will make the SS at least as expensive as the PS5 DE though haha
@Deljo you should put an emphasis on “BACK” Microsoft has spent so much money on BC and game pass also with old games, instead of focusing on new ip’s innovation and the future. What’s the reason to buy a console ?? Let’s just all buy Stadia and finish with all the heartache of SSDs TFLOPs and all that )
@Fenbops
'like Microsoft or not, they have been open and honest about what their next gen machines will do'
Is that why they pretended the xbox SS didnt exist for so long and only now were forced to reveal it?
@darksoul77 Me too - as a Gamepass Ultimate customer already, if I sold my XB1 S for say a £100, that is something like £4 off the monthly price meaning I am only paying an extra £5 a month. I have a small XB1 physical collection, all of which are now on Gamepass as MS exclusives. I want the PS5 first and foremost but I have already budgeted for that.
Sony are stuffed. Microsoft have undercut them at the low end and the XSX has significantly higher performance at the high end.
@SilkySmile89 because it represents great value to the consumer, you're able to get the series x along with gamepass and ea access for £28 a month over a couple of years - why would you not if only as a 'second' console. The series s has its place too especially for parents who maybe have to buy a couple of consoles at a time and for those kids that are only interested in the latest battle royale game it only matters that they can play against their friends rather than waiting for the next uncharted or whatever. This gen my xbox one mostly attracted dust while my ps4 gets regular use but after a 3 month games pass trial for £1 I then subscribed and now use regularly.
@darksoul77 Ok i understand now but thats my issue with digital only. You get your subscription it stops maybe the price goes up and there you are you are stuck no other option then paying the price. Look at Netflix i love it but the price is almost doubled or it already is and thats the risk with digital only subscriptions too. They own you you have no other options anymore.
@Iroha finally somebody who gets it..its going to be good value for whatever they charge...but you've gone and shook the cage and he who shall not be named will be here soon shouting about just how its not good value for money...good luck with him..
This article treats some things as fact when we really don't know what the reality is. For example, it claims that momentum has shifted from Sony to Microsoft. Has it, though? Is there a poll somewhere that shows that 30% of people planned to get an Xbox but now it's 70%?
If Sony execs don't actually see momentum shifting then they won't feel too much pressure. There are likely many people who haven't changed their next gen plans at all despite Microsoft's announcements, and Sony knows that.
@Royalblues I think Sony was always going to wait for Microsoft to provide their pricing first given that Sony doesn't have near the resources or as diverse of revenue streams as Microsoft (that's not a knock on Sony, it's just reality). Whereas Microsoft has countless other lines of business to generate revenue and earnings growth to please their shareholders, Sony's two biggest sources of revenue and earnings growth anymore are gaming and senors for mobile devices.
So yes, I think what you suggested is exactly what Sony is doing. They waited for Microsoft to announce, and are now figuring out what kind of marketing they should use to clarify the differences between the digital PS5 and Xbox Series S and what level of adjustments (if any) they can make to PS5 pricing without having to sacrifice their financials / end up in another battle with activist investors trying to force change at the company.
Microsofts Xbox series s is $299 or $25 a month =$600 over 2 years!
Microsofts Xbox series X is $499 or $35 a month =$840 over 2 years
From what I read you only get 10 hrs of play on new Xbox titles.
Game pass Ultimate is $180 a year! If you buy a Xbox series S and Game pass Ultimate it will cost you $479 for a mini Xbox series S.
Or $679 for a full Xbox series X experience. That is Microsoft's model.
Honestly I want both consoles to succeed greatly, better for the industry as a whole. That said, I really do believe that Xbox will sell better this coming gen, as others have stated gamepass is an insane deal, and Microsoft has learned from past mistakes.
Can’t wait to get a PS5 at some point, RPG heaven. Plus I really need Demon’s Souls in my life, haven’t played it since the PS3 years.
@TheVogon I don't think people realize how popular Xbox Series S is going to be. And not just here in the states either, South Africa, Europe etc. $299 or what ever the $249 to them is a great deal for those in college or young kids and whom only get Call of Duty or Fifa and get the game pass. Its really a great deal with many thst still have small TVs that are still 720p or 1080.
@JohnKarnes You are not well informed about Xbox Game Pass. There is no 10 hour limit on any game title including Microsoft 1st party games on Game Pass.
@JohnKarnes and the monthly fee you mention includes access to 100 plus games including all Microsoft titles. If you spend 60 bucks on a game every month, you are paying 720 bucks a year. So Game Pass is not a bad deal.
@kingv84 and also @JohnKarnes math is wrong as is two years of GP ultimate with the subscription so the Xbox Series S 600 -360 =240 final cost. >.>
@JohnKarnes "10 hours of play on new titles" I'm not sure what context that was discussed in. Maybe that's when they have the "early access" betas for members, which I've never participated in, but no, there's no time limits on play time. It's an "unlimited" rental service.
No matter how you write the annual cost of membership, it's not like Playstation games are free of charge after you buy hardware. GP offers $15 a month for unlimited rentals of whatever's on the "shelf" at the moment. Or you can buy games like on PS. It's still a good value....if you buy 3 games at full price per year, it's the same as a year of subscription to play tons of games. That's a great value for a gamer that wants to play tons of things and sample everything but not spend on tons of them to build a library. Not a great value for a gamer that doesn't want to do that, but it's not a required subscription any more than PS Now is. Just an option offering lots of value for those that like what it offers. Series S can be "300 + 180/yr" and no other charges for gamers that like that, or it can be 300 flat, plus whatever games you buy, just like PS.
That's still a very significant value competition Sony will be competing against one way or another, either by direct value offer, or by trying to present themselves as more premium.
Personally, as a current GP subscriber, it doesn't really work for me. I don't like having limited access where "this game is available from this date to that date and then is leaving." I like building a library. But I'll still probably keep the subscription because it does also include additional discounts on purchases and DLC, along with the online subscription (equivalent of Plus), so all tolled it's really costing me probably $8-10/mo for all that access, and means I don't have to buy the exclusives (whenever they arrive) until they're dirt cheap, so it's minimal cost for lots of options when I average it out over the year.
I expect PS Now will be revised to be a more serious Game Pass competitor over the next year or two.
Either Sony is scrambling.
or Sony has their own big surprises to make the case of the value of their platform.
in either case, Sony has to get on with it, we are now 2 months away from next gen coming.
we are well past due for this information.
@Zeldafan79 I'm pretty confident it won't cost that much. That would be suicide
@NEStalgia Game Pass and/or PS Now just doesn't work for me. My most precious commodity is time and I'm not playing through a series of average games just because they're part of my subscription. I'd much rather play games I like enough to buy and buying games has never been cheaper if you wait a few months after release. A Netflix style sub for gaming just doesn't work for me or I suspect many others.
@kingv84 @JohnKarnes Not on gamepass games but there is on new EA games, which is also a part of it now
I was expecting it yesterday due to the 25th anniversary date outside Japan. I suspect they are trying to get approval for a bit of a loss and/or trying to get costs down. I see the boost in production as a way to negotiate a lower price per unit from parts suppliers.
I see Sony's answer to the Series S as whichever PS4 models survive and get price cut when PS5 arrives since a lot of big third party games will be on it as well (cross-gen).
@Captain_crash199 Yeah, same for me, overall. But there's a lot of people that do want to just try a ton of games, and a lot of gamers that really appreciate having a nice fixed budget to spend on gaming and getting a variety of experiences for that small fixed budget.
The one place GP is nice compared to Now is that it has all the exclusives. The casual gamer, or the ardent PS fan that wants to try all the XBox exclusives they missed can just grab a $300 box and pay $15 for a few months and try everything they wanted to try. Now doesn't offer that (yet.) But personally I've ended up buying everything that was on GP that I liked. Although, I also got them cheaper because I was on GP, so it's a chicken and egg scenario.
The addition of EA access probably means nothing to most of us here, but for that casual base market that's huge getting a cheap box and their favorite sports games for a low monthly price! That's really going to mess with Sony's mass market dominance.
@mousieone lol my math was for a $60/60€ game purchase every month for 12 months.
@nookie_egg Yes, that’s nothing new. You get 10 hours for new EA games but eventually those games end up on the service months later without any limits.
@kingv84 I mean maybe that's what he thought was the 10 hours thing is all.
@kingv84 your math sound.
Referring to other person math
Im expecting Sony to come in at the last minute and steal the show with something awesome👍🏼
I think this price only really matters for us 'hardcore' gamers and for new players eg. parents buying for kids. I think most people who play 'casually' don't buy at launch anyways, so it's a moot point. People will most likely stay with the platform they have until given a reason not to and to be honest, there is nothing in Xbox offering other than price to entice me.
I don't need 2 consoles and until Xbox release a game I want to play (which 1st party will probably be at least 2 years away.) why would I buy one? I can't play any of my exsisting games n it, there nothing of real interest on GP for me. I kind of hate the subscription model for games as it gives the apperance of value without actually giving any. Plus I feel subscriptions over time, tend to de-value the thing you are consuming (eg music, movies) til it's not worth watching/playing/listening to. Then there's the concern it will be harder and harder to buy games at all, nevermind physically but digitally as well. It's not so bad with TV and Movies, but if you are not in the iTunes ecosystem, I find it really frustrating to actually buy music now. I don't want that for games.
The thing I object to is this move to subscriptions the MS have made, and I kind of hope Sony doesn't move to that.
I mean I'm up to around £40 a month on subsciptions already without gaming going that way too. Add another £10 to £15 quid and it's just too much.
And also to who ever estimated a full price game a month for people, WHAT?? I couldn't afford that, never mind it have the time for it...LOL I bought 2 full price games this year Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Ghost of Tsushima. Everything else if you wait a while you can get it on sale. Case in point, Death Stranding is down to about £18 now @CEX and it's not even a year old.
Hopefully this will put a foot in PS bum to get them to rethink some of what they offer but I'd hate them to go to a subscription based , cloud based gaming malarkey.
@Royalblues Just to correct you, Apple is almost twice as valuable as Microsoft, and Amazon is also more valuable by a considerable amount. I’m not 100% certain but I believe Facebook and Google (Alphabet) are also more valuable.
Oh and Microsoft has said they are now turning a profit from Game Pass, that was from Phil Spencer, so no they are not losing money from it, it also creates a lot more gameplay time and people are buying games more after playing them on Game Pass. So it was a great idea that’s working for them which Sony so far have no answer for.
@KippDynamite
Your right.
The xbox reveals didnt bring real surprise. The only surprises was the shape and that the SS is weaker than first thought. It has been known for years and the price was logically predicted for months.
The buzz is all marketing. I'm still thinking the leak was controlled because Ms could not make a impactful event to show it and were burnt last time.. they had all the marketing ready to go and everyone and their mothers has an Xbox SS mock up to show off already haha I hope Sony feels pressure but I dont see it.
@Royalblues Saying Game Pass is losing money, now it has over 10 million subscribers, is like saying Netflix is losing money, well they are all still in business. I’m getting the Series X, I don’t really play Sony exclusives, I like Uncharted but heard it won’t be made by Naughty Dog, and I didn’t like TLOU2 story, I don’t care much for the rest of the exclusives and I’ve played them all. I do like Gears Of War though and shooters and spend most of my time playing COD, so an Xbox makes more sense for ‘me’. I’ll be keeping an eye on the PS5 though, especially when the inevitable slim version arrives.
If people don’t plan on getting a 4K TV, the Series S is as good as anything. I think it’s going to be a huge seller for them too as it’s sort of an impulse buy, especially on the payment plan.
Sony will be fine though. I guess they’ll have their event In the next week to announce date, price and also show off stuff like the Silent Hill reboot.
I'm still in no hurry to pre-order the PS5, but I have admittedly gotten very emotionally invested in the "drama" surrounding Microsoft vs Sony.
Here's hoping we'll finally get the juicy deets regarding price(s) and release date by next week.
@MaccaMUFC the thing with the digital version is that it could be hundreds cheaper and still not a long-term saving when you take into account reselling games and the pre-owned market.
It seems like a bad time for a console launch. A lot of places are seeing economic uncertainty because of recent events and you got to believe that a lot of people are going to be keeping that money for rent and food emergencies rather than something as superfluous as a new game console with no games.
Nothing shown so far has really lit the fire of excitement about the next gen enough to override this either, especially with a good amount of PS4 hitters still coming well into next year and that Nintendo Switch only getting cheaper.
Because of this and because the user base for PS4 is so huge (4th best-selling console ever), developers will still want to release on it to access the biggest market possible, so it wouldn't surprise me if the cross-gen support period is much longer than usual.
Honestly, I think the next-gen is going to flop hard.
What is the difference between Late 2020 and Holiday 2020?
@Darylb88 Late 2020 usually refers to Fall 2020.
@KidBoruto The reason I ask is because the US website says holiday 2020 and the UK website said the same until recently then it was taken off and replaced by late 2020 I was just curious as to why they would change the terminology close to launch.
I'm based in UK for reference
@Darylb88 I wish I knew the answer. I'm from the USA, California to be precise.
@nookie_egg How long do you get to play a game like the new Halo game when its added to game pass day one?
@NEStalgia Are you saying when the New Halo comes out and goes up on game pass you get unlimited time to play it? No one with game pass has to purchase it?
@mousieone Math is not wrong Series S financed from Microsoft is $25 X 24 months =$600 I said it includes game pass. You can buy a series X for $499. Then chose not to buy game pass to play a bunch of older games.
@kingv84 Microsoft did not release 12 first party games last year. Do you know how many new day one games came to game pass in 2020?
@JohnKarnes
1) Yeah, you do not have to purchase brand new MS games and they stay on the service forever. And I don’t usually have to buy the DLC for first party games either but that’s going to vary by game. I admit that.
2) your post was 600-180=479 but it’s actually 600-360=240 that’s why I said your math was wrong
3) Since Last September 11 new games have been released by MS studios or an MS game like Ori. Whilst many of them are Multiplatform, and I’m not saying “go go MS”, I am saying all of them came to Game Pass Or Game Pass for PC day one-
Gears 5
Ori 2,
Gears Tactics
MS Flight Sim
Battletoads
Tell Me Why
Wasteland 3
Minecraft Dungeons
Outer Worlds
Grounded
Bleeding Edge
This does not include the indies they came day one like Sprit Farer and Drake Hollow.
@JohnKarnes Yes, exactly. GP is subscription gaming. What's available in it is open to play for subscribers until the game is removed (first party is permanent.). So you can choose to either subscribe and get access to all first party games and a bunch of third party that comes and goes regularly like a rental store, or purchase. Subscribers also get 10% off games and dlc that's on the subscription.
But there's no time limits or anything like that. It's a catalog of games, mostly rotating availability plus all 1st party you can play for $10 ($15 for ultimate with pc and Android streaming included) a month. Not a bad value for gamers that want a fixed budget and anyone that wants a cheap way to get all the ms exclusives without having to go too deep into buying things.
Sony could compete with PS Now. They added downloading games and dropped the price considerably. But they don't want to put all their exclusives out there so cheap so far.
@JohnKarnes far as I know they keep the first party stuff on indefinitely but rotate the other stuff 🤷♀️
@mousieone If I owned a Xbox one Ori 2 is the only game I feel I would buy from this list day one. A lot of games here are multiplayer I don't play multiplayer games. That is why I love PlayStation. Even the Xbox fans that come to PlayStation do so for the great single player games.
I have looked to Microsoft several times over Xbox One's life to see if I wanted to add it to my household. All I could come up with was Sunset Overdrive and Cup Head as a reason to buy one. That was not reason enough to make a purchase for me. Would I buy a Xbox if they offered more exclusives I could not play on PlayStation ? Hell Yeah I would. I have no doubt that Xbox is a great console. I would never jump ship, but would buy another boat If it was appealing to me.
@JohnKarnes sure and that’s perfectly fine. I respect people’s opinions I wanted to make sure you had your facts correct Also, these days MS puts all their stuff on PC, so don’t feel like you have to “jump ship” either.
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