Over the past six or so months, we've been picking up on a mood change when it comes to the announcements of PlayStation 4 games included in the PlayStation Plus and PlayStation Now subscriptions. Essentially, the thought process goes that if you sign up to both, you'll actually start to lose out as Sony continually offers the same titles every so often. A big PS4 game may be already part of PS Now, but when it is also confirmed as a free PS Plus addition, those subscribed to both don't gain anything. Each service pulls access to its titles the moment you cancel your subscription so neither one can guarantee play time if your membership lapses. How often does this clash actually occur, then? We've taken a look at the past six months of data to work things out.
Of the 16 PS4 games offered through PS Plus since June 2020, five of them were already a part of PS Now. Those being PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds, Street Fighter V, Vampyr, Middle-Earth: Shadow of War, and Hollow Knight. Going in the opposite direction, Friday the 13th: The Game and Broforce became part of PlayStation Now after already being free PS Plus games over the past six months. That's a hit rate of just under one third when PlayStation Plus games already on PS Now are considered.
In our opinion, that's not too bad. Sony is in an awkward position where it's unlikely to please absolutely everyone subscribed to its services and so there's always going to be one or two unfortunate enough to find repeat titles in the offerings. However, it's likely the complaining has started due to the positioning of the PS4 games members already have access to. In September, PUBG and Street Fighter V found themselves duplicated. Vampyr followed one month later and then Hollow Knight and Middle-Earth: Shadow of War were what subscribers were treated to last month. Therefore, there was a three-month stint where PS Now and PS Plus members were handed the same titles. The streak was broken by December's line-up, thankfully.
So, could you say there's a problem here? To a point, sure. Members of the two services were given PS4 games they already have access to for three months in a row, and that's probably not okay. Had they been stretched over a longer time period, the complaints wouldn't be so loud. Still, the less duplicates Sony has to offer the better. Have you been frustrated by this situation? Share your thoughts in the comments below.
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It’s a bit annoying to be honest. If there’s going to be overlap then why not add more PS3 games that would be exclusive to PS Now or even PS1 or PS2 games?
If you pay for PS Now, can you play the games online or do you still have to pay for PS Plus?
I've said this for years. PS Plus is unnecessary. Drop it and give the discounts and being able to play all games online to ps now.
@Stoffinator You can play online for games that are on ps now. If a game that's not on ps now has online, you can't play online.
Just combine them.
@nessisonett this is a great idea
Perhaps an unpopular opinion but seems a bit blown out of proportion. But its gamers so entirely expected honestly.
@nessisonett Simple. Because no one streamed PS3 Games so they stopped adding them like 2 years ago
This is incredibly frustrating and, frankly, disrespectful to those who sign up long term to the subs Sony want us to.
As such, I simply am not going to resub to Now given I got plus for the Plus Collection. When plus ends I’ll likely take another year of Now, and just keep alternating. This way I’ll get a lesser number of games I’m being made to pay for twice given timed games that are given, generally, close to when they are on Plus , although I’ll likely still get some. Longer term though, the only fair way is is your roll the services together.
Sony could knock 20% off double subscription so everyone is happy.
poor planning, it doesn't take much consideration to shove in a 12 month period to ensure there are no clashes between the two services, after that drop it on the other service if need be, if you want people to subscribe to both you really shouldn't be doing this at all
@IonMagus I quite like streaming certain games on it. Granted I have decent internet but Killzone works surprisingly well and games like XCOM work perfectly. The overall infrastructure could do with an upgrade though, streaming can be done better elsewhere.
I think sometimes people expect too much.
@nessisonett I also had no problems with streaming it but its kinda meh that you can only stream PS3 Games in 720p since quite a few PS3 Games supported 1080p. But overall it wasnt really used so they stopped adding them
They need to just combine them already. Use all their resources for just one main service.
I'm trying it for a year. I have 3 months to go and I'm not going to renew it. Streaming just doesn't feel good and the PS4 games selection just is to much quantity and not enough quality.
@redd214 that's an extremely insightful generalisation, thank you. two subscription services entirely separate offering duplications isn't anti consumer? they may as well just say your monthly ps plus games are number 1 (just cause on PS4) and number 2 (just cause on ps5) we've no right to complain as consumers, we're just gamers and obviously screechy and entitled
@Rhaoulos Discounted bundles are so common across so many different industries I don't understand why they don't do this already. I would seriously consider subscribing to both if they did but as it is now I'm just sticking with Plus.
Thanks for bringing this question up with an article.
Maybe saying the "service is a joke" was a bit harsh on my part, but I was honestly frustrated because I feel like I spend 100 euros a year and they mix Plus games so often now that I am disappointed every month.
Anyway, I think 100% they should merge both services.
I still use the service to stream some PS3 games I never played and I have fun with them but sometimes the lag is kinda bad.
Also since Evil Within 2 was added to the service I am not able to download it on PS4/PS5, which is a shame. This only happens on my country I think and PS support doesn't reply to my questions.
Also, Liam, don't forget that Days Gone was on PSnow and is on PS Plus collection too
I wish online would go free, they dump Plus and focus on Now.
Instead of combining them, maybe have the + features built-in to Now. That way you don't have to pay for both. Thus having a tiered service. I think those typically work out because not everyone wants to pay for streaming rights for ps3 and ps2 and random low quality PS4 games. Then keep PS+ intact for those who want a basic inexpensive service.
People in this comment section seem blissfully unaware of one painful fact: PS Now isn't available everywhere yet. I live in Brazil and don't have access to it even though I have pretty great internet.
That 1) explains Sony's emphasis on PS Plus since it is global and 2) impedes them from merging both services.
That said, the last couple of months PS Plus games have been awful - duplicate or not.
You don't say!
I prefer Playstation plus.. Since it got discount and online multiplayer! If I only got those feature and lower price I am Inn!
@InicoStrikes this is a good point. Which is why a discount for both is still the best idea. Even 10-15% off would cover any overlap.
Then when it's global they can think about merging the two. Tiers or something.
The streaming aspect of PS Now isn't great. But, there are loads of PS3 games on there I'd like to play. I see no reason whatsoever why Sony don't allow downloading PS3 games on PS Now to a PS3 console. Obviously you wouldn't be letting people play PS4 games on the PS3, but why can't we download PS3 games to the console. 🤷♂️
I subscribe to both and I’m not frustrated.
@zupertramp I'd like to think the reason is greed, but I think the executive at Sony are just plain stupid. They have made so many stupid decisions as of late, and a single subscription with different tiers would probably get them more money overall.
@Alex79uk
Good point. That would get me to plug my PS3 back in
I had this exact debate with myself last night. I have PS Plus and I almost got PS Now, but there was enough over lap with games offered through PS Plus and my own game library that I decided not to subscribe. Honestly, I really feel like I made the right choice. If Sony is smart, they'll just combine the two services. There's hardly any reason at all to keep them separate.
I have absolutely no problem with Now. I generally subscribe for a month or two every so often to play the hot 'new' game that they advertise (Control, KCD). With the library being as vast as it is I invariably find a few gems (or at least semi-precious metals) that I hadn't considered playing until then (SOTR and Vampyr).
Plus' free games on the other hand had continually disappointed me up until I stopped my subscription, and I really haven't looked back. The new plus collection intrigues (alas no ps5 here), but the 2-3 free games has always seemed like it's been phoned in.
My issue is they “improved” ps now by giving it big budget titles but those just give media nice headlines and we were actually getting better value before. These big budget titles are often the ones duplicated and we tend to get no ps3 titles added any more.
Duplicate games from both service is one of the reason why I didn't bother to buy another year of PS+ and PSNow subscription even though they're on sale.
I've thought about this for a while and it's just occured to me that they could put ps plus and ps now together as a 2 tier subscription service
First tier is ps plus and second is ps plus and ps now, they leave the first tier the same price and slightly decrease the price for second tier
If it wouldn't keep everyone completely happy it would at least minimise the frustration of the subscribers to both
They could also make the ps plus monthly games available as digital or stream to give more people the chance to try streaming games and develop an interest in ps now
@deathaxe my guess is server costs. It's expensive to have servers ready to stream such heavy loads at any region at any time, and you can't really afford to have lag with this kind of service. So they prioritized richer regions.
Just cause 4 has already been on ps now. So the chain hasn't been broken for December
I did the 7 day trial for Now and didn't feel it was worth a subscription. My guess if more people did the same, they would improve the service.
The thought of paying twice has never once even remotely appealed to me. 🙄
If ppl want to complain i say just stick with one service or throw your controller on the ground and go sit in a corner and pout like a baby.
They can't really merge the services, it would increase the price considerably and some people would ditch it, then having to leave any plus or now games they were looking forward to playing over their next renewal. I only have plus and that's how I like it and I'm sure I'm not alone there and there will be others who are on the opposite side.
@captainsandman That could work, I wouldn't mind as long as we kept all Plus games in the library if only Subscribed to plus after such a change. Also, because some would be expecting the 2 games they would have to offer store credit of equal value to the amount of months left on people's subscriptions that match the discounted price difference.
Xbox game pass combines both streaming and console - would be good to see PlayStation do similar
I am a long time PS Plus member and I subscribed to PS Now at the beginning of the year. Duplication has not been an issue for me until the last three months. While I personally think it should not be an issue for Sony, they are obviously struggling at the moment. They need to do something to streamline the two programs, but I don’t know what that is right now. I am getting quite a bit of value out of both, so it is hard for me to complain. I should be more upset than I am, but hey, there are worse things right now for sure.
I am subscribed to both. For now. I signed back up for Plus when I got my PS5 and added Now to give it a shot. I like both, but I’m having trouble seeing the value in keeping both, as the cost will likely be prohibitive over time.
Seems like it would be smart to offer a discount on one for buying the other. Buy one, get the other 50% off. I think they’d sell more of both.
It's not that big of an issue. PS Now has some great games on it at a rather affordable yearly price of £50 (about £35 on Days of Play)
Ps+ subscriber and i can't see me not being ever but ps now just dosn't tickle my pickles...anybody subscribing to both then getting upset about duplicate titles are being extremley niave that they think titles will be availible exclusivley to one or the other..as for sony dropping the price of ps+ stating that its not needed well pffffttt to you monkeys...ps+ relies on that cash influx to support the server infrastructure,supply the freebies you all whinge about and pay the wages to the people who work to keep the service as good as it is (anybody want to go back to the free shoddy unreliable system on the ps3?) Yeah didnt think so..anybody here think they can do a better job and run ps+ and ps now better? Dont like it move on people..
@Sissyrobyn996 you just engaged in an internet debate..
@Rhaoulos that’s a good shout, but I reckon 25% lol
It's currently not a straight forward answer as much as some might think with ps plus/ps now. PS Now is still unavailable in several countries.(Down Under here),& even putting aside the dodgy internet speeds, there's the question of data centres & costs therein. For the hype of the Azure deal with MS has the psn itself moved from whatever infrastructure Sony currently uses?
Whilst they may make tweaks to PS Plus to possibly make more $$ on ps5 PS Now will probably remain a bit more of a niche market unless Sony see it being profitable to expand it ala Xcloud.
PSNow will never come to AU so I couldn't care less.
Most people who have Now also have Plus - if they want to make Now a success, it should either be distinct from Plus (no duplications) or carry a heavy discount for their most loyal customers who run both subs.
I won't be renewing Now when it lapses next year, because of this duplication trend - they need to take a look at what makes Game Pass so good.
Sorry but you haven’t captured the entire picture. Beyond the games you mentioned in the article let’s also make note that Days Gone is now in the + Collection, as is God of War which was temporarily available on Now at the end of last year. Furthermore this months Darksiders 3 was on Plus back in September 2019 and Just Cause 4 was temporarily on Now back in April. So I think the duplication is more prominent but the running theme is that on Now, a lot of these games are only available temporarily whilst on Plus they are permanent additions. In my view, it makes Plus even now a much more compelling service compared to Now - which as others have argued needs a shakeup to make it more of an attractive service
Can't be frustrated by what Sony won't offer in Australia. Still hoping that the services will be combined with a more worldwide view from Sony.
It seems to be Plus exclusive subscribers complaining about Now subscribers complaining. I find this bizarre. Isn't it in everyone's interest to have 2 good value successful subscriptions? Especially Sony's. People shouldn't voice their issues with the service? They should just unsubscribe and move on? If they did that Sony would just shut it down and everyone loses.
I do find some complaints funny, largely because a lot of people only see in extremes, its amazing or terrible, nothing in between, but there have been some very valid concerns about Now since the last shake up that have been masked by the media glowing about how great it is having God of War on there for 3 months.
Soooo after all this discrepancy, my question is which is better PSPlus or PSNow??? I am a first time subscriber and player.
I have both subs. Don't really play online but my son plays the odd game online so have it for him. Wouldn't bother me if I didn't have it. And, to be honest, I don't really play much of what's on Now either really. But I do like the choice of being able to if I want.
At the end of the day, you can purchase both of these services for a combined £70 in certain sales, which works out about £5 per month. That's not too bad considering everything that offers. It's half of the cost of Netflix or Spotify.
Maybe Sony should offer them as a bundle for that amount or thereabouts, I'm sure most people would be happy to pay that, wouldn't they?
Just fold em into each other already.
@LiamCroft it is an annoyance when games on PS Now pop up on PS Plus. If you're looking forward to a couple of new games, then they give you stuff you've already got in Now (or EA Play!) , it's a bit disappointing. We'll all survive though. Forum comments always sound more dramatic than they'd be in real life.
To my mind, the bigger problem that Sony have with Now is that a massive chunk of the customer base still think it is a streaming-only service. That feels worth an article and poll to gauge awareness, maybe?
Edit: see the comment right below this one for evidence!
I can see the value in Plus or Now for some folks, but me personally I prefer the single-player experience for anything that isn't Nintendo (Mario Kart and Mario Tennis Aces are fun as hell for a few minutes of pick up and online play).
Hence for me, I don't see the value in Plus - I can just wait until the games they're offering "free" (for the time you care to pay for membership and revoked the minute you don't) are discounted and buy them then. With Now, I loved the concept initially but after some trialling found that the video quality was lacking plus the slight latency on controller inputs was frustrating, especially when the game itself already didn't have the tightest control method out there.
I agree with all the other commenters who say combine them. Take PS Now and PS Plus, smush them together for the same sort of price as subscribing to one and call it PS Live or something, since it covers playing online and streaming online. PS Now on it's own doesn't bring enough value for most gamers so if it's left as a separate subscription it'll die anyway.
There's been 28 games with PS Plus in 2020, certainly plenty (actually 32 if you consider two are trilogies). So if you only use Plus for your games, that's a very decent return for your subscription, even at the full price of £50. That said, while I mainly use Plus for the online backup and occasional online multiplayer, as a subscriber to Now and EA Play, I've not had an especially great year of Plus games for various reasons. Here they are listed out, highlighting duplications:
Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection - PS Now PS3
Goat Simulator
BioShock: The Collection-- PS Now PS3
The Sims 4
Firewall Zero Hour
Shadow of the Colossus - PS Now PS3
Sonic Forces
Uncharted 4: A Thief's End
DiRT Rally 2.0
Cities Skylines
Farming Simulator 19
Call of Duty: WWII
Star Wars Battlefront 2 - EA Play
Rise of the Tomb Raider
NBA 2K20
Erica
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Fall Guys
PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds - PS Now
Street Fighter V- PS Now
Need for Speed: Payback - EA Play
Vampyr - PS Now
Bugsnax (PS5)
Hollow Knight-- PS Now
Middle-earth: Shadow of War - PS Now
Worms Rumble
Just Cause 4 - Left PS Now in October 20
Rocket Arena - EA Play
So that's 5 on Now at the time of release to Plus, but also:
1 that had only just left Now in Just Cause)
3 (or 7) that have PS3 versions on PS Now.
3 that are also on EA Play
So there were actually 12/28 that weren't fresh to me as a subscriber to all 3 available services. (not counting about 5 I already owned, but that's my own fault!). The period Sept to Nov was particularly bad for the duplication as well.
Sony won't ever please everyone with the Plus games, but I do think they should be more careful to avoid duplication between services if they want to maximise retention and take up.
If I'm honest been going on alot longer than September, its a shame tbh coz while I like both in zome ways its pointless signing up to both they should just roll it into one to save the hassle, or if you even own all 3 thats including ea play they put those games on ps plus to thats no good either.
Dear Deirdre,
The movie Oblivion is currently on Netflix, and also free with my Amazon Prime subscription; to whom should I complain?
Sincerely,
A Whiner.
Dear A,
Whilst I realise that it's not ideal, you need to remember that these are two different services, and not everybody subscribes (or can subscribe) to both; thus it would be wrong to deprive members of one from seeing the movie simply because it appears on the other.
Unfortunately, since subscribers to both services will be expecting some AAA titles and not just any old B-movie crap, it's inevitable that some duplication will occur, particularly when it comes to bigger names. My advice, therefore, is simply to suck it up.
Of course, if the duplication rate is high enough that you see no point in subscribing to both services, the best option would be to unsubscribe from one or the other.
Kind regards,
Aunty Deirdre.
😜👍
I cancelled my subscription to PS now because of this. Already it's not fantastic and when you start getting duplicate games it's just not worth it.
Im not entirely sure what ps now is. I've never looked into it or it's pricing. But, my 15yo likes the plus. So that's always part of her birthday present every year. I've always have found that at a discount, most recently for $30/years usd. Not bad at $2.5/ month. I won't ever let that lapse cause I don't want her to lose all the free games we've added to the library over the years. She's never asked for the now either. From this article sounds like I've made a good decision only going with one.
I do agree Now looks a lot more tempting now that you can download PS4 games and it's not only for streaming. But my backlog is big enough - between free games from Plus (Just Cause 4 just added to my backlog) and games I've purchased (often on sale with bigger discounts thanks to Plus) - I haven't felt the need to get Now, too. It's just not tempting enough for me to pull the trigger, even with the Black Friday sale.
However, if Sony were to go crazy and match Microsoft's Game Pass with a blanket commitment of day 1 availability for first-party titles on Now, I'd be much more likely to add a Now subscription. Combine THAT with the sale, and Sony definitely would have had me.
If Sony are going to be cheap skates then they might as well merge PLUS and NOW together. It would have the added benefit of less naming confusion for the general public too. Just look at Microsoft and their Xbox names: Game Pass, Games with Gold, Xbox Live, Xbox Series X, Series S, One S, One X etc. It's downright ridiculous and super confusing, especially for people who are just casual gamers. Less names the better, and PS Plus by now is known to everyone, so I'm all for Sony ditching PS NOW and merging into it. They can put the NOW library into the current PS collection. And what's more? Xbox Live Gold these days have all but gone to sh*t because of Game Pass. It'd be wise for Sony to continue buffing the value to PS Plus to counter MS where it hurts.
I definitely will not renew my PS Now subscription, far too many duplicate games. I am finding it bizarre that some people think is good value to pay twice for the same games.
@Northern_munkey Heh that dude didn't engage in a debate, he said his spiel and immediately said he was gonna run away from anybody picking his sh** apart.
@nessisonett if you wanted to play ps2 or ps1..or tons of other consoles and arcade machines then you should have bought an xbox
I trialed both accounts on launch day with my new ps5, not convinced enough to be honest. Absolutely shocked amount of games I wanted were cost £ with ps yet inc on game pass ultimate. Sold my ps5 and waiting on xbox x and invest in yr ultimate.will wait till easter for ps5 with a bundle I'm sure
My issue with PS Plus is that more often than not, I've already purchased the games being offered for free. This has been the case for at least the past 6 months or more.
So what are my options here? Stop buying games when they come out knowing that they'll eventually be free (and therefore spending hundreds of dollars less on the PS Store), or cancel PS Plus since playing online is becoming less and less my go-to for gaming?
I miss the days of free PS3 and Vita games since I still use these consoles for the games I love that have not received a remake or remaster on PS4...
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