We don’t have a clue what to expect from PlayStation anymore, and neither should you. A lot has changed over the course of the last generation, and Sony’s communication strategy – or, perhaps, lack thereof – is most prominent of all. The organisation was once talkative – chatty, even – during the early PlayStation 4 era; these days it can go weeks at a time without uttering a single word.
Jim Ryan, the business’ dry-humoured Geordie big-wig, will occasionally peep out of his office to offer an exclusive interview with lifestyle magazines like GQ; these are typically flanked by announcements on the PS Blog, and give select insight into corporate strategy. Hermen Hulst, head of PlayStation Studios, will follow a similar pattern if there’s big news – like the Housemarque acquisition last week.
Reveals come sporadically on random timelines; Ghost of Tsushima: Director’s Cut, purportedly planned as part of some PlayStation livestream, was dropped on a rainy Thursday afternoon. Everyone’s been anticipating an imminent event – rumours have been rife on Reddit and ResetEra for weeks – but against all expectations it announced a Deathloop-centric State of Play today.
While we can have confidence the third-party and indie focused event will have entertaining content, it’s not how the majority – including supposed insiders – had expected Sony to follow its absence from E3 2021. More updates on major titles will come throughout the summer allegedly, but naturally the company’s keeping the exact timeline close to its collective chest.
Indeed, God of War Ragnarok, a game announced almost a year ago, still remains little more than a logo; in fact, now that Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart has released, the company’s yet to confirm what its next PS5 exclusive will even be – after all, Horizon Forbidden West, Gran Turismo 7, and the aforementioned sequel will all target PS4 as well. Death Stranding: Director’s Cut details are due, but God only knows when.
There’s a new PSVR headset in production and we’ve seen the controllers, but outside of a rumour regarding its OLED panel and foveated rendering, no one knows anything else. Naughty Dog promised a standalone multiplayer expansion for The Last of Us: Part II, but even though the single player launched a year ago, we’re yet to receive a single update on its progress.
None of this is criticism, of course – we can be confident that the company is busy behind-the-scenes and that there’ll be lots to look forward to beyond this week’s State of Play. In a way, we appreciate aspects of this new secretive Sony: keeping the games quiet until they’re closer to release is preferable to the years upon years of hype building we used to endure during the PS4 days.
The point of this article, then, is perhaps editorial therapy: we don’t have a clue what’s going on anymore. Clout chasers will claim they know all of the secrets, teasing dates and ambiguous tidbits on Twitter – and the games media will lap it up, misleading their readers as they search for the crumbs Sony so effectively sweeps away. It’s an activity even we engage in, although we’ll always try to dig for the truth.
But really, it’s time to embrace the fact that we don’t have a clue about PlayStation’s plans anymore. Sony isn’t hurting for engagement, and every time it takes the time to talk the industry pauses and pays attention. There’s nothing wrong with the organisation’s approach – it can be exciting and unpredictable, a rollercoaster – but perhaps it’s time we stopped trying to predict what’s next. The reality is that none of us know.
Are you one of those irked by Sony’s closed communication, or are you too busy enjoying your games to care? Do you like how unpredictable PlayStation has become, or would you prefer the organisation to be more open about its roadmap? Try to extract the truth in the comments section below.
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Maybe we should just ignore ‘insiders’ now. First Switch Pro now this supposed PlayStation show which hasn’t really materialised.
Let's go back to the days when surprises were exactly that and not everything was leaked beforehand.
The internet is a great thing but it is also a hive of scum and villany.
I’m not irked. I’m irked by other things Sony do (like censorship) but not a lack of communication. I’d really like to know more about PSVR2, but it’s not like I need to know. I’ll get it regardless as the original is so good.
Sony’s communication could be better on certain things. Like explaining PS Now properly; explaining honestly why cross play was such a difficulty from a financial perspective; explaining why they feel the need to ban or change 18 rated games; explaining why the “small” hard drive won’t be an issue once everyone has abandoned ps4 and cross gen games for native ps5 games; explaining why they are happy to put games on PC after a number of years; explaining their mobile strategy, etc…
But I’ve accepted most don’t care so they don’t need to. I’ve also accepted the honest answers to some of these things may make them look bad, so they won’t give explanations.
Anyway, I’ve got so much to play after years of games releasing faster than I can play them that I don’t really need to hear anything for a while.
I believe the Death Stranding Director's Cut will most likely be shown off with a Fall release. Playstation seems to just be like...hey we are selling like crazy and can do what we want.
and that's ok. why do they have to tell us . just bring the goods, which they have,
I actually appreciate the way sony are handling things at the moment. They released arguably one of the best launch lineups in history and aren't pushing studios to release half-baked trailers without gameplay. Seems like they are taking a page from Nintendo's book and focusing on quality games instead of how many corporate employees can show up on YouTube every week.
To me, it feels like they're not really doing anything at all, no ps5 only exclusives announced, no proper big games show and no ps5 consoles available to buy, their not even disputing the sometimes over blown bad press. Its like there coasting on the success of the ps4 and until their bottom line is effected I don't think they will change tact.
It mainly stinks for Joirnalists and people that frequent this site alone for news like me. On one hand it’s exciting opening up PushSquare to find some awesome announcement! But on the other hand, when it’s always random, I find myself going here less and less versus when I know it’ll be a big blowout weeek of news.
Can’t say that I’m a fan of their lack of communication amongst other things.
While they clearly have a huge edge in exclusive games over Microsoft, that seems to be it at this point. Microsoft is crushing them in consumer friendliness, communication, value, etc.
Obviously we have no clue what they’re doing behind closed doors but I hope they can see what others see regarding their way of doing things right now compared to the others.
Yeah, they’re so random now, I wish they’re more open to dialogue like the earlier ps4 era though.
@FatalBubbles. Crushing sony🤔😏😴😂😳😲 consumer friendliness.wtf😱😂.sony still is outselling x box just like ps4 embarrassed x box.ps5 is al capone Valentine's day massacre x box again.come on play.its too easy for PlayStation now.word up son
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Sony's in a tough spot because they conceded the portable market to Nintendo without a fight and Nintendo basically ran away with it. On the other hand, MS is the loss-leader who can basically gobble up entire publishers and give all their games away for free to gain more 'ecosystem engagement'.
@playstation1995
Can anyone translate this?
@blinx01
I believe that's called the voice of youth.
@blinx01. Translate you to Nintendo life 😏😗😴.or x 📦 box.let me know if you speak Spanish or Japanese😲😂🤔.word up son
But but pushsquare only says negative things about sony and praises gamepass for clicks.
Seriously though, I just wish they would have E3 like presentations from the PS4 announcement days. I personally think those type of announcements are more exciting than small drops and title announcements they have today. Sate of plays and internet just don't carry the same hype. This works though, I'm still getting my games at the end of the day.
@mucc agreed
@playstation1995 Explain to me how PS selling more translates to consider friendliness?
Xbox was a dumpster fire last gen and Sony still maintains a massive lead in sales which isn’t surprising. That, however, doesn’t invalidate anything I said.
I just think Sony is in a place of transition and with the effect the pandemic has had on their plans, they simply made a choice. 'We will announce the things that we can nail down and no more.' Once they feel in control of their timeline again, I think they will be more transparent. But I do think keeping things close to the chest means that we don't have the 2017-2020 E3 redundancy due to them showing off years of upcoming games so early.
I love Sony’s games but their business and media decisions for the past 2 or so years have annoyed the hell out of me almost all of the time. It seems every time they speak it’s underwhelming or disappointing. I disliked how quiet they were leading up to the PS5, I disliked how they started putting games on PC, (but now I want all of them on PC day one so I can dump their systems), I disliked how they have decided to gimp Horizon, GoW and GT7 by making work on 8 year old tech, I dislike that they are still very quiet (even though I dislike almost everything they say).
You read that and you think, this guy sure hates Sony, which isn’t true. I’ve owned every mainstream system that Sony has ever sold including handhelds. I absolutely loved Sony up to the PS4. I believe the PS3 gen is the best gen ever and I’ve been gaming since the 1980s. The PS4 gen was pretty good overall but not as good as the previous gen. I loved and owned Uncharted 1-3, TLoU, Resistance 1-3, LBP 1-2, Puppeteer, Motorstorm 2-3, multiple RnC’s, Demon Souls, Sly Cooper, FREAKING INFAMOUS 1-2, PS Allstars, GoW’s, 3rd party titles like GTA 4-5, Max Payne, Bioshock’s, Red Dead Redemption, and I could keep going. The PS4 lineup just doesn’t stack up to the PS3’s.
I owned a Xbox 360 years ago and skipped the One. I really hope Xbox delivers a solid lineup of exclusives to entice me to buy a Series X. I’m already wanting to catch up on the Gears I missed and also want to play Sea of Thieves but I need more than that to make a purchase. Im close to jumping to PC at this point to cover everything.
To tie this to the title of the article, Sony will most likely do the exact opposite of what I use to praise them for. That is my prediction.
@blinx01 I blocked them months ago bc I have no idea what is being said lol 😂
I think PlayStation had this rollercoaster of anticipation strategy down better in the 2013-2016 years. Now it's just coming across as scattershot and annoying.
I don't mind the secretive nature of Sony these days much. I do understand though Push Square being a little annoyed at the silence considering this is a Playstation centered news site.
On the bright side though it allows the site to cover news more niche corners of the Playstation ecosystem like the recent Falcom news or just today with Lost Judgment's new opening trailer. And you folks do a great job of covering those such things so keep up the good work!
I think only reason we are not getting any announcements is because they have nothing to announce. I still am betting Horizon will not ship until the first half of 2022 and it’s likely the only exclusive they will have this year will be Deathloop.
@blinx01 @blinx01 you're talking about someone who still ends his posts with 'word up son'. And yeah, his posts are generally intelligible
The only thing I want sony to be more open and honest about is their ssd expansion slot. I'm willing to be bet it won't be here until even 2022 is here
@FatalBubbles .sony is crushing them in sales.ps5 is a way better console.x box is more powerful and got more studio.and people still are buying ps5 more.and communication.sony hasn't been that quiet.when sony talks everyone listen and tune in for theyre events.sony is g.o.a.t 👑.another easy victory for ps5..word up son
@playstation1995 I see now. You just don’t understand what I’m saying.
I think that what annoys me about Sony is the lack of follow ups. Like.. Sony bought Crunchyroll, so what now? Sony acquired the EVO virtual fighting tournament, so what now? Sony registered the name Playstation Experience, so what now?
It is like a rock that fell into the lake and caused no ripple effect. Maybe it is a collateral effect of trying to be mysterious. Maybe PlayStation fans are longing for a "when it rains it pours" moment we experienced last year during the PlayStation 5 announcement.
Yeeeeah I’m mostly ok with that
#FireRyan
And btw , lol at the xbox vs playstation beef ; if you got the money just get both .
but either way most importantly - #FIRERYAN
Well, your a bit slow I guess but you ll realise one day you couldnt predict PlayStation for years ..maybe.
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I know who you would like to be at PlayStation and 'do the talking" haha
Im generally fine with Sony's strategy so long as they bring us the games. But i do increasingly want to see evidence that they are actively listening to fan concerns and taking steps to address those.
The backend of PS3 and throughout the PS4 life cycle felt (ignoring the contempt for vita) that we were all in it together - for the games and the fun. Yes, Sony's bottom line was important, but they generated enough good will that people would continue to invest in the console.
Whereas increasingly since the last year or so of PS4, through to today (largely since they stopped going to E3 - not a bad move in itself by the way) Sony is coming across VERY business like, in the face of increasingly stiff competition.
I still have faith that Sony will deliver the goods with the PS5 generation - they have some of the best dev's in the business - but i really hope their next acquisition is into decent PR. The mood music at the moment is very hard to miss
@mrtennis1990 wow...very 'arguably' if you think they've released one of the best launch line ups in history?...without any flagship titles? They've had a couple of decent games but best launch line up in history? Wow.
@LightningLeader
Thanks! I try to keep a positive outlook as much as I can.
I love it they just bring me news when it is ready not a decade before. And i wish things like a Twisted Metal reveal was more of a secret instead of it getting leaked before the announcement that's the reason why things like E3 are a waste of time now.
I’m bummed that we don’t have news all the time. I wish Sony would have a planned quarterly SoP that’s always on the books. Even if some of it is just rinse and repeat with updates on how things are going. For that matter, I wish the 3 big companies would do it this way. The trickling out of info can be infuriating. I’m always looking for the next thing. Developer commentaries on how things are going would be fun too! ANYTHING is better than nothing!
@Tharsman I've been saying the same thing about Horizon 2 as well. After the game's state of play, we didn't get a release date. Instead, we got "we are in the final stages of development." That was a BIG RED FLAG. I don't think the game is ready to launch and Sony KNOWS it. So, they're hoping to mitigate the disappointment with Director Cuts of Death Stranding and Ghost of Tsushimsa when they DO announce Horizon is coming next year.
The lack of communication isn't really hurting Sony...the mixed messaging when they do communicate maybe. But Sony are riding the success of having dominated a whole generation. They're showing they don't need to do the rounds. Jim Ryan doesn't need to go on ign and the like trying to convince their audience their in a good place. It comes off as complacent at times...worse arrogance. But they can afford to burn some of the good will they built up last gen...till they can't. There's definitely something in the air that public opinion is changing. Maybe they should communicate more. But I really doubt they care right now - they've just spent more money promoting a Microsoft game.
@Bleachedsmiles Oh look its Negative Nancy. They'll make more money off the 30% of digital sales than they paid for timed exclusivity. The ***** does it matter that MS owns them? It's a major release in September. Should Sony stop advertising FF7 because they don't own that game either? I guess MS promoting the new Battlefield game is just a waste of money too right?
@mucc Not a bad thing Microsoft owning them. I think YOU should have every opportunity to give Microsoft your money... you're always very concerned about gamepass not making money for them.
@Bleachedsmiles Where did I say I'm even going to buy the game? Funny how this is negative but MS putting all that money in Sony's pockets for The Show isn't. Lol you really want to bring up that other thread where I destroyed you with facts? Go ahead.
‘Cray’station 🤪
The trouble is nowadays people expect news and updates 24/7. I'm sure Sony will deliver when they choose to. Im old and remember the days long before the Internet, where your only source of gaming news was the monthly magazines. Which usually you couldn't wait to buy.
Thank goodness for surprises and I hope leakers go away. EVERYONE, including reputable "journalists", has been wrong recently. How about we just mind our own business and digest the news when companies choose to reveal them.
@vict0RGM You are just checking for news too often. All those moves will be revealed in time what they mean for the actual consumer. Social media has made us check forums and gaming sites like Twitter and Facebook. But it's not a soap opera and there is sometimes NOTHING happening. It's much better on the devs as well that don't have to get ready every E3 or every Gamescon and put something together to wow people when the resources could be better utilized.
@mucc I said you SHOULD give them money.
I've no opinion on MLB...I have a feeling you thought it going to Xbox was negative though...just a hunch.
Heh destroyed me with facts? You cried about how gamepass is operating at a loss...said a journalist named Tom Warren told you back in may?. And I informed you Phil Spencer claims it's making money in an interview less than a week ago...so don't concern yourself. I think that was about the gist of my being 'destroyed'. Relax kid.
Erm, not one mention of Game Pass in a Sammy article, I'm impressed.
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They can keep on doing what they're doing as far as I'm concerned. My only hope is that they manage to ramp up production of the PS5 and get these into the hands of the people that want them.
We're in July now and still no release date for Horizon Forbidden West. Methinks this highly-anticipated sequel will be out early next year which is a shame but also a good thing, as by then even more people will have a PS5 to enjoy it on.
@uptownsoul
I agree with you.
You know what? Its all become like politics and the wrong kind of politics (Trump like).
It's not facts that matters but how loud and populist they sound. Didn't Spencer say they ll have the best launch line up ever like ever? Or I could go on but pointless and I'm not into bickering. Point is talk is cheap.
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You know who didn't have this problem though? Peter Molyneaux. Always talking about brilliant new features in his games, and that's why he's remembered today as a Mozartesque master craftsman, packing more features into his games than you can shake a stick at, and more importantly making sure you know exactly what to expect come launch day well ahead of time.
But I guess this is a Playstation site, so most of his games (and this sarcasm) passed most of this community by
It's Sony's arrogance all over again. People keep yapping about "exclusives". Man, PS5 have exactly TWO (2) exclusives. Two. That's it. And let's not kid ourselves, no one bought a PS5 to play Returnal. Everything else is a remake/upgrade/available PS4/PC . Truth is there won't be a need to buy a PS5 untill 2023. I really miss Shawn.
Sony appears to returning to it's old arrogance. Little communication, £70 price tag on new games, charging for PS4 to PS5 upgrades....
MS however are doing the complete opposite and are doing it well.
I Own both consoles now and the PS5 hardly ever gets switched on, something I never expected when I first purchased it!
@mucc You 'destroyed me with facts' without presenting a single fact and I'm the one out of us that looks stupid. Ok.
I can only tell you what Phil Spencer recently said. I'm not Microsoft's accountant. You can believe it or not. But I'll tell you one thing as 'fact'...it's never Xbox fanboys concerning themselves on if Gamepass is making a profit.
Also, you do realise that last year introduced a global pandemic which we're still feeling repercussions of right now, don't you? We're pretty lucky either console had any new games. But since when has delaying games to make them better been a negative?
@Bleachedsmiles I'm talking about the other article. It's covered to death by everyone but of course you don't believe it. I don't care about what their profit is, I'm telling you reality of their business model. https://segmentnext.com/2021/05/06/xbox-game-pass-profits/
Funny it hasn't impacted Sony that much so far. There's a difference between announcing things too early and delaying to make them better.
I swear, if anyone complains about this show having to many Indie games I will lose it LOL. People just love to hate and I can only imagine the backlash they will get its there is EXACTLY what they state… 30 minutes of Indies, Deathloop, and a couple 3rd party games. Maybe I’ll just take a break from the internet for the week after the event..
@Oscarjpc
Astros playroom
Bugsnax
Demon souls
Destruction all-stars
Returnal
Ratchet and Clank.
And those are just the ones that aren't on PS4 too like miles morales, sackboy and oddworld
Few more than two there pal.
I have games till Jan 2022 on my list and 34hrs into Scarlet Nexus.
Sony can do whatever they want. It is what makes PlayStation 3rd party support so great.
You get everything else while you wait for the next epic 1st party from Sony. Their games are the cherry on top.
@Waffles12415
People: "PlayStation doesn't do enough to promote indie games" (literally an article on this very website recently)
Also people: "why are PlayStation giving so much air time to indie games?"
Now it might be that these are actually entirely different people. I for one never bother to buy indie games for my PS5, because I'm also a PC gamer, so if I'm going to buy a game that could run on an old laptop (unfair generalisation? Maybe - but also true for most indie games) I'm going to buy the PC version so I can run it on my main gaming PC if I want to, or on a laptop of I want to. I'm not going to buy it on a platform where all I have to play it on is a ps5 - particularly because it means no one else can use the PS5 (I have 3 kids) while that game is being played
@Beefy01 astros playroom Is a free 3 hour tech demo. Bugsnax is on ps4. Demon soul is a remake. Destruction all-star? Really? A game so bad that they gave it away for free on plus because it was tracking to be a sales disaster. So 2. R&C and Returnal. Thank you for proving my point. Good luck next time. Keep on playing.
Personally I'm a bit fed up of games getting hyped up two or three years before they are due to be released (and that's assuming they don't get delayed). So no news is good news on that front as far as I'm concerned.
@Oscarjpc
So you have an issue with the company that is still giving you value to an 8 year old console. Locking new 1st party game behind a $400 upgrade is the the "Good old Sony" you miss.
I am a bit confused - because you mentioned PC. That well, has zero exclusives tied to new hardware. The games I play on my 3080 people can play on their GTX1060
PC you "upgrade" to the 3080 if you want better performance, 4K resolution, and Next Gen features like RayTracing.
Sounds like the same reason people would upgrade from a PS4 to a PS5.
I feel like I've read this editorial here before.
@mucc
The article you linked is only thirteen sentences long, you probably should have read it. It comes from Tom Warren, who says that in it's first year gamepass has not made Microsoft a profit when weighed against the $10 billion they spent over the last 4 years in acquisitions and infrastructure spending. If your response to that isn't "no ***** sherlock" you are likely out-of-touch with the subject.
Everyone and anyone should realize why gamepass is a long term cashcow, it's very basic math. It'll have wholly paid for Zenimax by the end of 2022 and is already bringing in more money than Netflix makes every year. If, in ten years, their firestick-esque device and gamepass streaming have panned out and they quadruple+ the amount of subs they currently have, gamepass alone will be making enough money to purchase a ZeniMax sized studio every year and not go negative on profit. That's a big "if" though and we'll have to see if that is what the future holds. At worst they'll be making a ton of money and at best they'll be making an insane amount of money.
Sony is acting now like Microsoft did when they announced xbox one. Arrogant because they were in the lead. This is the wrong approach but honestly i dont care anymore. I guess they need to lose again to be nice to gamers again. Always the same story.
They totally should have announced Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut on a sunny Monday morning.
To be honest, as a person who doesn't run a gaming news website I haven't really noticed any difference over the past 10 years.
If they are being more tight lipped it might be because they don't want the competition to pivot their plans.
@LastSaneManOnEarth they are also spending an 'insane' amount of money. The (I assume) huge amounts to put third party games on there, the wages of all the employees of the companies they have gobbled up, it's big bucks.
Though there is little point arguing about it all day when no one except Microsoft know the actual figures.
@uptownsoul
Agree. Usually the loudest are the most insecure. Especially if they have nothing meaningful to say.
@mucc You keep going off an opinion piece from may as fact...claiming Tom Warren is an 'insider' as leverage. You don't get any more an insider than Phil Spencer. Believe him don't believe him I don't particularly care. Maybe it's good Sony don't communicate with us...
You think covid hasn't effected playstation releases? When's gran turismo out? God of war? Horizon? Sony don't announce too early?...God of war was announced last year with a title screen!
Seriously...rest your head.
@LastSaneManOnEarth Where did you learn how to read? He says nothing about weighing against the $10 billion purchase. You literally said something not even reported in the article. Do you even understand revenue and profit? It has NOT officially recorded a profit yet, END of story. You realize there's shareholder meetings where they announce these things right? So no it's not raking in billions. MS is banking on the future that it will have 60+ million subscribers and then it will possibly make lots of money. But at the end of the day they have to pay tons of money to 3rd parties to get games on the service and games like Starfied cost well over $100 million so it takes time to recoup costs.
@BleachedSmiles Keep talking sweetheart. Believe what you want I don't care, but you're not believing in reality. Oh they definitely showed those games too soon, however at least they've released something. MS won't even have its first first party game out until November. Why even come to a PS site if you hate the brand?
@MightyDemon82 agreed
Not everything needs to be predicted first. And since when has Sony really been predictable about anything they haven’t announced beforehand? Predictable is boring and these “insiders” with their leaks are just like the people who try to spoil the ending of a movie for you before you’ve watched it.
I don't think i fully understand the connection some people are making that them not doing a summer conference means Sony is being arrogant.
They will tell us when there is a conference when they are ready, people getting mad that something they where predicting hasn't happened comes across like those reddit film fan theory people to me.
I actually like that reveals come out of no where, it gives them more attention without the over the top expectations people seem to put on these planned events these days
Pandemic and we live in the age of negatives. I have never put much faith in crystal ball readers! People complain when games are announced to far in advance but, a good surprise launch is always welcomed.
This is what happens when you believe rumors.
Grain of salt. Remember.
Whilst “Japanese giant” grates with me for some reason, I’m happy to read “dry-humoured Geordie big-wig” every day. Keep it up.
@nessisonett Insider? I barely knew her!
It'd probably be better if they were even just a little more open, but at the end of the day, it's the games that matter the most. I have plenty to play, and that will undoubtedly continue.
@AK4tywill 🤣🤣😞
folks tend to want all the surprises spoiled before hand then immediately turn around and bash the company if their lofty/unrealistic expectations aren't met down to the exact verbiage. folks continue to want to let what they want to happen in their heads be the only reality, which is absurd because none of us fans can truly dictate what Sony can/cannot do.
> Enjoy the games and vote with your wallet. If you don't like something they announced then just move on and scroll past it. You can't be upset if they let you know what's gonna happen ahead of time yet some still clamor for ish that they specifically said wasn't gonna be there.
It's time to accept that outside of a few great exclusives, Sony has fallen way behind on keeping up with industry trends, services, communication, making them hardly unique or exciting anymore.
I’ve always preferred to just play the games I like and ignore all the other noise. 🤷🏾♂️
@OmegaStriver I completely agree with you on the PS3 generation. Such a great line up. The PS4 hasn’t even come close in my mind. I’m hoping for this gen to show me something to get excited about but so far I’m less interested in the PS5 than I was in the PS4. I hope Sony can be exciting again at some point. Right now I’m playing on Xbox most of the time. They are just more interesting to me at this point.
I am over here just wanting Sony to bring back the Kevin Butler "VP of _____" ads.
I am taking a slight break from gaming at the moment due to moving. Honestly, it's been great! There are no upcoming games that excite me, and this just reinforces the importance of taking a break in moments like these. Good games will come along with time. Until then...
I've not been into the Playstation sphere during the first half of PS4, but as a normal gamer I don't really see them being all that secretive. I remember the old days and compared to that we have State of Plays, blogs, twitter, etc. That's plenty of communication channels. It makes sense to talk about coming releases and show them off once the company feels confident and ready. Also remember that we are in a pandemic, so that will have an impact also. And on top of that, I bet that the entire organization is larger than in previous generations, so trying to coordinate it all and making communication work properly will be a huge challenge.
Another thing is that nowadays with all these youtubers who do nothing but scour the internet for leaks and the latest information, every day of every week, it might seem like Sony is buttoned up and silent, when in reality the community is actually overly attentive. Sony isn't here to feed the content creator pipeline, they're here to develop games and products for Playstation users.
the issue is your dammed if you do and dammed if you don't . if you tease a game like god of war , but don't show anything till its ready people will complain. if u don't announce anything yet because you don't have enough to show off for a while , people will complain they never announce anything new. theres still plenty of games coming , the three 2nd party exclusive games , the " secret" san deigo studio game, sony bends game, sucker punch is working on something , just to name a few.
@Bleachedsmiles
'The mixed messaging when they do communicate
This state of Play announcement is ....the opposite of 'mixed messaging'. It's crystal clear 🤷♂️
I think you may mistake the (poor quality of) press reports with Sony 'messaging.
also why do we need to predict everything ? why can't we just leave things to surprise ? people complain about spoilers but they are always reading every article that has them in the story
Well, one of the problems with the modern world is oversharing, right? Which can lead to it looking like eagerness for attention combined with having nothing to say. Sony are so committed to not doing this they've ditched E3.
I don't know, that doesn't bother me personally. Would have been nice if they'd said more about the console shortages though, as they've been vague and it gave some people the impression they don't care, which is never a good look. Gamers are a fickle bunch though, so it's hard to tell between the facts a company give and the exaggeration and histrionics gamers add, sometimes.
Microsoft are doing this more open, transparent thing and sticking to it, making it work for them. Their E3 reveals were really good - I was stunned how many potentially great games there are in the next few years, and kinda vindicated my choice to go with Series X first and PS5 later as a few are dropping within the next couple of months. Forza Horizon 5 looks like epic fun, for example, and it's one of about a dozen I'm looking forward to.
What I'm saying is, either way can work (lots of communication or only the bare minimum) for a company, and as you get older you don't really care because you've got more important things to worry about. In the end you just buy the games you really want and don't worry so much about the noise excitable and easily led younger gamers make so much. Old dogs versus puppies, basically!
@Royalblues
'The beginning of the PS3 era sucked. The end of the PS3 era was awesome. Same thing.'
Well the beginning of PS5 era is quite the opposite actually haha
The strange perspective is funny 🤸♂️
@zekepliskin
I mean people like what they want and have preference. It's all good 👍
To speak my mind though, I always find funny that the press (and consequently people) label Ms as transparent and honest when they literally refused to acknowledge the xbox SS until a few weeks from release and that even took a leak to do so 🤦♂️
Just looking at first party:
Holiday 2021/2022 - Horizon (PS4/PS5)
2022 - GoW (PS4/PS5)
2022 - GT (PS4/PS5)
That's all we know officially, not much to go on.
I'd rather they don't go back to revealing things four years away but give us something...its crumbs for the hungry at the moment. Even a little hint at the next true 1st party PS5 exclusive would be nice.
@JJ2 Ha yeah I remember that. Maybe they were ashamed of it. The Series S is certainly going to hamper the Series X a bit, and it's weird to me how it's a "next gen" console yet it's not capable of 4K output unlike the One X before it. Same as the PS4 Pro has 1TB of storage by default, yet the PS5 that replaced it has 825GB. Classic case of "the newer ones have less of a thing".
Maybe it's more accurate to say Microsoft are more open and transparent by comparison to Sony. Either way, as long as both of those companies have great games to sell that we all enjoy, their PR isn't really as important unless it's, for example, really bad PR like EA using Ultimate Team to manipulate kids into gambling or Ubisoft's sexual haressment (panda) culture.
@zekepliskin
EXACTLY.
PR is just marketing!
I dont know why people care so much about what comes out of their mouths. I mean I dont want to go on and on criticise xbox but with 'exclusives are counter to what gaming is about' and other fluff they went about I don't get why they are seen as saints now.
@JJ2 Well said! Great games and the ability to enjoy them (on your own and with others) is more the point isn't it? Maybe it's fair to say too many people enjoy the soap opera melodrama aspect of it these days because there's more direct communication between developers/publishers and the gaming community. Who knows? It's usually not just one thing. 😁
Exclusives are what they are. If they help sell systems and these systems then go on to host more great games (exclusive or not) then it's a means to an end. To be fair the one game that really makes me want to own a PS5 is Returnal - I've been playing Housemarque games since before they were called that, and Super Stardust Delta was, I believe, one of the games that made me want and soon after own a Vita (still one of the best titles on the system, too) , so it doesn't surprise me they've done it again. But what I have noticed is the "exclusives" (in quotes because some are coming to PC or are already on it, like Flight Simulator) coming to Series X are way more in tune with what I want, perhaps because there's generally more of a mature theme. For example I was excited about Rift Apart until reviews started saying it's visually stunning but the gameplay is shallow perhaps because it's targeting that "all ages" demographic, and subsequently I'm now more fired up by things like Starfield and Redfall even though we've really only been teased with cinematic pre-renders instead of actual gameplay - Starfield claims "in game footage" but it's still basically a cinematic. Hopefully it's "Bethesda does Mass Effect really well" but we shall see. Redfall looks like Avengers meets Hellboy and Blade kinda insanity as a game and I think we're seeing a potential sleeper hit there - one that initially sells okay, gets good word of mouth and then explodes a year after release. Too early to say really! Fun to speculate though, as long as you don't fall into the classic gamer trap of taking fiction as fact 😏
@zekepliskin
Yea it's always about personal preference. For me first person view on a TV makes me sick so many xbox games leave me indifferent.
I love the concept of Starfield but again didn't really enjoy fallout gameplay.
Just coming back to what you said about the SSD 825GB it's for tech reason Cerny explained it. It was 825 or 1.6 I believe and then it would have up the price if they went for 1.6 T
@JJ2 Oh yeah I know the tech reasons for the smaller PS5 SSD, I watched Cerny spell it out, it's just in a world where gamers latch onto "one number is bigger than the other" (like the stupid fanboy teraflop flaming prior to next gen launches) things it doesn't look great, more so when you launch a console where only 667GB of that is usable and games regularly top 100GB and average maybe 50GB now, especially when you launch too early to keep pace with Microsoft and aren't able to activate the M.2 SSD expansion bay slot. Bet when they launch a slim, collarless version of the PS5 they'll offer 1.6TB and by then the M.2 slot will finally be usable. Bet launch PS5s will be a lot cheaper soon after! People who paid £900 for them are gonna feel chumped if they don't already.
Fallout I haven't played enough to comment on. One of the few notable space games I played recently (I love the genre but think it's under-served) was No Man's Sky, and that struck me as a rather tedious exercise in resource management where everything expires on a timer, so something more RPG based with less "do tedious tasks to micromanage your way out of dying" in the vein of Elder Scrolls or Mass Effect would be preferred.
The long and the short of is, "Playstation is in Crisis".
When things are going swimmingly people are happy to talk about how well things are going and all their plans, hopes, expectations for the future.
When swimmingly turns into knee deep in s**t, it's a different story. Sony, indies, retailers, supply chain, hardware manufacturers have all been hit hard by Coronavirus and Climate Change.
@nathanSF Sony are still well ahead of Microsoft in terms of units sold on new gen consoles. They're very much not in crisis; that's hyperbole.
@The_New_Butler Developers who truly want to target the "casual market" make free to play mobile games with in-game microtransactions. Sadly some of the seedy business practices from the mobile market - the ones that work, anyway - have seeped into home console gaming, which sucks. EA clearly looked at that model, saw a meal ticket, and have now spent years working out how to better psychologically manipulate people into gambling thousands of real world credits away in their Ultimate Team scam.
I think the next big Playstation event will be in 2022, Sony's actions this year have been rather reminiscent of Nintendo's actions in 2020 (there being 1st party reveals on social media instead of during presentations with multiple games, 3rd party gets their own presentation) so I think the rumoured August event will be a State of Play similar to the one tomorrow, perhaps having Ghostwire Tokyo as the main focus given that's the next big Playstation exclusive (timed like Deathloop) after Deathloop.
@Vacuumator They're about as much of a Japanese Giant these days as Microsoft, that's the part that grates.
@Master_Shake I agree, PlayStation are indeed in a state of transition - only problem is they used to be 'for the players' in the Layden/House era and now I'm not sure what they're turning into?
@OmegaStriver Just get a pc instead of crying every day on this forum post lol
we have opened PANDORA's box on gaming, I say the genie has been out for about 10 years or so now. He is full of hype, promises and broken games at launch.. I know some of you are too young to remember that your only news was GAMING MAGS or a convention once a year. There was a LAG in information, and it wasn't this constant stream of rumors and gossip. I honestly, don't have an iota to play anything in the near future except HORIZON ZERO DAWN FW.. And i have a plethora of games to play right now, and I don't have a PS5 and I am okay with all of that.. Let the games come, let them drop and lets talk about them AFTERWARDS!
@OmegaStriver I agree that the PS3 and Xbox 360 had the best games generation so far.
Sony needs to start being honest really and stop manipulating things like 'we believe in generations' and then releasing PS5 games on PS4.
Great article and a lot of truth in it. Maybe there isn't news to report every week and this constant need for updates every day/week leads to a lot of nothing reports and click bait.
Sony doesn't need to do or change anything if people buy their products… I'm sure they'll got plenty in the pipeline but don't feel the need to broadcast it every step of the way.
I doubt they're worried about comments or posts from the fan boys as the wind will change and so will the comments…
@JJ2 yes...this is the opposite as theres a lack of communication - that's the point.
The mixed messaging when they do communicate - 'we believe in generations' is a good recent example off the top of my head
@zekepliskin The different hardware in the series s is clear though when compared to one X. One X has more brute graphics power but the gpu is weaker and harddrive slower..so it can do 4K on last gen games...it would struggle with current gen...that's why The Medium and flight sim etc is on series s and one X.
The new harddrive space available in these new consoles is pretty crazy though. Especially on ps5. I've the disc version...you actually only get 667.2 GB to play with
Yeah I know all that, the AMD Jaguar CPU is the One X's bottleneck despite the massively improved GPU. Had to be that way for compatibility reasons. HDD is easily upgraded to SSD in the One X to reduce load times significantly due to the SATA-III bus, over the (I believe) SATA-II bus of the original One. I mentioned the 667GB earlier, yes. 😉
Side note, you refer to the newest consoles as having "hard drives" - they're surface-mounted SSDs (direct to motherboard). 😊
EDIT: PS5 is surface mount, Xbox Series X is a smaller-than-regular-form-factor M.2 style. Both still SSDs, though.
@JohnKarnes they used to have this guy on YOUTUBE that was predicting when TLOU2 was going to drop.. Fans were soo hungry a year and a half ago, dude got soo many clicks and his youtube channel skyrocketed! Just remember in today's day and age, people do things because they can GAIN something for it.. He ended up being wrong, but then kept changing the date and more people kept visiting his channel! Its almost like gaming has become a cult..
@MakersMark "Just remember in today's day and age, people do things because they can GAIN something for it"
I think you'll find that's true of EVERY day and age. That's where capitalism comes from - greed.
@The_New_Butler I think the Wii had the unique selling point of doing motion control fairly well, which meant it launched strongly with casuals after being on the market a while, especially with stuff like Wii Fit that wasn't strictly a regular video game. But looking back, it really was a fad, and the knock-on effect was the knock-off effect of seeing Sony and Microsoft rush to market with Move and Kinect which weren't as good. Nowadays nobody wants Kinect or even the new PS5 camera particularly; there's much more interest in PSVR.
"None of this is criticism, of course"
After six paragraphs of criticism! There's nothing wrong with the way Sony's marketing new software (and hardware), certainly not from how I see it. Would it be preferable for them to show everything about the big hitters? And after then? Everything they have will be planned out on a strict timetable. They've certainly got a damn sight more than Microsoft and are showing a lot more than Xbox (which isn't hard, all they have to show is Game Pass).
@helloim_anthony I hear you. If don’t praise Sony blindly, then keep your mouth shut.
Keep it up, sheep.
I´ve already accepted and moved on.
It's not Sony's "working in mysterious ways", the case here is that Sony's communication is very poor.
We discusssed this in Indie theme. They can't manage their clients effectively with just skeletal crew.
When I sent email with question regarding return policy of Cyberpunk 2077, I received answer in SEVEN DAYS.
@zekepliskin the thing with that is that e3 is no longer the main event it used to be. you can announce games or debut games , any time of the year really. they have plenty of things for people to look forward to , people just need to be more patient.
@nomither6
I agree #FireRyan
Seems like this is what happens when you the let the bean counters who are not gamers run a company.
Reminds me of the hubris back in the day that almost brought Sony to it's knees.
The PS4 Era was awesome.
Great games (both AAA and indie) and a refreshing communication pattern.
The attitude that we have sold more units than PS4s at this point is "Doh" no kidding. People were so desperate for the next generation. If the PS5 was not b/c, this would be the end of Sony as a game company.
The way Xbox is playing to win, and Sony keeps creating self inflicted wounds, this will cause a lot of people to say this is the last Sony console I buy.
I hope not.
I love Sony.
But they have to get back in the fray with folks that actually play, build games, and respect their players leading the charge. Before you decide to set me on fire, I'm going to quietly take my soapbox and disappear behind the curtain.
Thanks for the ear.
So your argument is you wish they were predictable? That would make them weaker to their competitors.
@twitchtvpat Although I agree with you and see your point, it was good to have all these announcements in one place on one day. When publishers trickle it out, if you're not paying attention to gaming news often you might miss something. For people with limited time that's not always possible.
@zekepliskin its understandable getting older i've found its harder to dedicate so much time towards playing games , but i still try to find some time to relax and game. having the ps5 come out during a pandemic , differently made things pretty difficult for every one. i just find the humor in people are saying sony is doomed even though the ps5 hasn't even been out for a full year yet.
I can Predict PlayStation and SONY. They will bring out more games soon and continue to. EASY NO???
@zekepliskin
Hi. Sorry I got busy. Quite a few things I disagree. They didn't launch "too early to keep pace with Ms' . That s fantasy narrative from console war BS. Id recommend you don t get into that silly stuff. Compression is a lot better and after all its only 135GB difference left (of available space) with the SX. Any way have a nice one
@Bleachedsmiles
The believe on generation thing was more of press mis reporting.
@JJ2 A lot of reporting things they've said wrongly then?...what does that tell you? Maybe Sony has a communication problem these days.
@Bleachedsmiles
Oh yes. They have a marketing problem. Not necessarily a Communication problem.
To be brutally honest the press love Phil Spencer. He is a gold mine. That is just a fact.
Now tbh marketing isn't my concern. That's Sony problem. I only like facts.
(Edited mis typing )
@playstation1995
PS4 vs XboxOne era is gone! Snap out of it! That dominance is over. It will be more a PS3/X360 kind of era which is better for us gamers. And remember ... nobody cares about hardware sales since there isn't enough money to be made (unless you're a scalper). Software is the key!
@zekepliskin when are people going to stop quoting "ps5 has sold more hardware than xbox" as an excuse that that means they are doing better?
I think growth, revenue and recurring active users is much more important measure.
After all hardware was only ever sold (for little profit or even a loss) as a way to allow them to sell you games or services for significantly more profits.
Microsoft is playing the long game and have been for sometime their strategies are paying off. You only have to look so far as to how they live rent free in so many playstation "fans" thoughts.
Netflix was looking pretty foolish pushing towards a streaming only service and we see how that went and can look back even further when blockbuster and the typical rental market laughed at their idea of sending dvds in the mail on a subscription service.
"Lol they can't even charge late fees and or sell overpriced drinks and candy how do they think they'll ever succeed"
Microsofts plans are working exactly how they want them to they are building a building goodwill and a mindset of "why not" by making their software available however or where ever you want.
@zekepliskin And when players compare spending 15 bucks to play through the latest halo or fallout doom or whatever without even needing to buy a console or anything more than a smart TV or firestick etc it becomes a no brainer.
There's a TON of gamers out in the world beyond the typical hardcore console / pc player and Microsoft plans to offer them something they can't get with their typical browser or mobile game.
Console will always be king for players like us but we aren't the biggest piece of the pie there is to earn.
Not to mention how many xbox fans don't even need to own their "box" to be fully in the ecosystem.
I sold my Xbox one in 2016 and I don't own a xbox now but that's because don't have to.... And that's a huge win in my and many others favor.
What I do have is game pass ultimate bought and paid for next 3 years and have had that for previous 3 years as well.
Meanwhile my ps5 hasn't seen a minute of play since the first weekend of ratchet and clank.. I got the platinum that Sunday and sold the game to a buyer in Craigslist on Monday.
I own a Playstation for one reason and one reason only their solid first party titles but that's maybe 1-3 a year and with most being one and done story games I usually by them on disc and sell them when I'm done.
Sony offers me nothing that makes me want to "stay" in the ecosystem (in fact I desperately want out) and what little money I have to put in I do my best to get it back.
No ps now sub, no ps + (normally), if I get it it'd only for a month sporadically when something requires it that I want to participate in.
Xbox meanwhile has my wallet saved and ready to go at all times (figuratively) I'm constantly trying new games or jumping back in to something I really enjoyed in the past and I don't have to fret about whether any of them are worth it (unlike the 70 USD I had to spend to play a weekend of ratchet and clank)
Sony is slowly winning me over on their support of pc and I've bought every exclusive they've moved over there day one (on steam with no intention / way to beat and refund / sell) but they are still to slow for my liking and I'll continue to give in and play their overpriced games on their inferior hardware (compared to my 3080ti / 10900k pc) but I'll do it for the absolute least amount of money out of my pocket by doing absolutely nothing with their console I can do elsewhere and playing the must haves on disc amd selling for most my money back as soon as I finish them.
@Bicster75 the winds are changing comment sections on Playstation centric websites that mainly speak on what the competitors are doing proves that.
Xbox centric ones certainly aren't focused on what Sony is doing.
I'm just saying....
@zekepliskin on ps5 its part of the motherboard I don't believe that's true on xbox series consoles.
@Cybrshrk I happen to agree with you, however in terms of raw numbers there's no getting away from the sheer outselling of the PS5 to the Series X currently. They're way harder to buy used as well, and retain more of their "close to RRP" value on the used market. It's pretty crazy. I think Microsoft will close the gap over time, but not yet. Wait until those several awesome looking E3 announced games drop and there you have it.
@Cybrshrk I must admit, I bought a PS5 today and the prices on the store made my eyes pop in shock. It's hideously expensive, and I really don't see why everything seems to be £70. That's about six months of Game Pass Ultimate, right there. Where's Sony's "try before you buy" approach like you can do with that?
I don't use Remote Play features on any console (video quality drop and input lag are unacceptable to me, and with cloud gaming you get various degrees of both) but I can see why they would be useful to some.
Other thing I've already noticed about the PS5 is that the interface is more of the same crap that the PS4/PS4 Pro were. The Settings menu is still a cluttered, disorganised mess. They're still not making the most of the screen space - everything still seems to be a scrolling list, everywhere. The only improvements I can really see are it's faster (seeing as Sony never bothered to optimise Orbis OS on the PS4/PS4 Pro in eight years, pretty terrible, as it was always laggy and still is), and the home menu ambient music is better? That last one is moot because it'll get switched off at some point anyway.
Overall not impressed. Controller is better - form factor feels like an accomplished rip-off of the One and Series controllers except the left analogue stick is still in the wrong place and the shape buttons are still spaced too far apart.
It's a bit meh, really. Apart from being able to play some old PS4 favourites I own digitally (and again, disappointment here as The Witcher 3 is still locked to the same sluggish 30fps that the PS4 versions were) and Astro's Playroom showing off how amazing the DualSense upgrades are, I'm struggling to see what all the fuss is about.
@JJ2
They didn't launch "too early to keep pace with Ms' .
The PS5 was launched as an unfinished product. It has poor airflow (stuff like allowing the rear mounted RAM chips to cook at 95ºc when a game is running which is way higher than it should be), the M.2 slot is disabled, there were some moderately severe issues with the firmware at launch (the "resume from sleep" causing game crashes), only being able to "archive" native PS5 games to an external USB3 device and that wasn't there at launch it's been added since plus you can't run them from an external device. Some Series titles can run straight off an external SSD rather than having to be copied back. Not all, but that's more than zero as it is for the PS5.
I genuinely don't think either the software or hardware was complete when they released it, but they kinda had to in an attempt to avoid MS getting a headstart like in the X360/PS3 gen.
That s fantasy narrative from console war BS. Id recommend you don t get into that silly stuff.
It's not silly/fantasy narrative. I don't believe in console wars - I'm platform agnostic, I just believe in good games, I don't use phrases like "salty ponies" or "PC master race".
I own both systems. The Series X strikes me as a pretty complete product, no major defects, still allows playing games from all 4 of it's generations without requiring the equivalent of PS Now. If I want to Quick Resume from Psychonauts (original Xbox) to Call Of Duty: Black Ops (Xbox 360) to The Witcher 3 (Xbox One X) to The Medium (Xbox Series) I can. The PS5's fancy DualSense pad is very nice, sure, but at this exact moment it's literally the only ace the console has, to me.
Compression is a lot better and after all its only 135GB difference left (of available space) with the SX.
135GB is still potentially a lot of games difference. Assuming an average 8GB for them, that's 16 extra Xbox 360 games I can store on the Series X. But I don't need to; I can and do run them off of an external 2TB USB3 SSD. That's two generations behind current. If I want to play PS3 games on the PS5, I have to subscribe to PS Now, and I can't justify the cost because I don't use it enough and it's cloud gaming which basically always introduces video quality and input lag issues. I'm not paying £13 a month for that, on top of potentially also paying £70 for all the newest releases. It's a total gouge.
Whereas on the Xbox platform, I've essentially had 6 months of Game Pass Ultimate for £4 (I got a £3 for 3 months, took a break, and then was offered a £1 for 3 months a few weeks after).
So for current advantages of the PS5 :-
Series X, for me, holds all the other advantages which are numerous. For example, it runs quieter than the PS5, more noticeably than I realised. My PS5 doesn't appear to have coil whine, which is good.
@zekepliskin
It's funny because I had the feeling you didn't have a ps5 and now your saying you have one.
'To be fair the one game that really makes me want to own a PS5 is Returnal -'
Never mind any way. You may mean well but I'm not interested in console war and that's where this conversation is going.
(I also don't have the time or patience. I love PlayStation system and if others love xbox it doesn't bother me).
Ps5 had a fantastic launch line up so far and the idea the console was rushed to compete with SX is just silly. If anything that would be the other way round (SX was rushed with no sw) because the software was not ready for Series, not much as new games, but I'm not saying that.
It's also funny because I know some fanatics are convinced PS5 was supposed to launch in 2019 and got delayed at the last minute to try compete with TFLOPs haha
Look believe any narrative you want. I'm never going to try convince other people their are wrong. That's not my concern.
(Anyway in this type of discussion people don't listen. I already said PS5 has better compression on SSD for instance, so in reality I THINK you could install more games in PS5 than SX origin SSD)
Don't take it too seriously man and have a nice weekend.
@JJ2 "It's funny because I had the feeling you didn't have a ps5 and now your saying you have one."
Yes because in the time I said that, and the time I said Returnal is freaking awesome (it totally is, really a killer app for me) I bought one. It took a while because there's a lot of unserious sellers and scammers to avoid, but yeah. After I'm done with Returnal I'll probably sell it on I expect; we'll see.
"You may mean well but I'm not interested in console war and that's where this conversation is going."
Healthy debate about the merits and disadvantages isn't a war. It's only a war if someone completely trashes one system and clings to the other. I don't do that; that's what platform agnostic means. I may prefer the Series X (and owning a PS5 has not changed this opinion; still do) but that's not to say the PS5 is terrible. It has some great games, the DualSense is a lot better than the toy-feeling DualShock 4 (feels more like an Xbox Elite controller which is a huge compliment, even kinda looks like my white/black Elite), I'm one of the people who kinda likes the collared design even though it's a bit on the large side.
Side note: One design "flaw" (although it's clearly more of an aesthetic choice) they both share is the front buttons are too small and too hidden. Quite hard to hit the target to eject the disc on either. Series X is slightly less of an annoyance in one respect though; it does have a sync button for controllers so I don't have to bust out a USB cable when moving between consoles.
"Ps5 had a fantastic launch line up so far and the idea the console was rushed to compete with SX is just silly."
Ah, here's the thing. I never said it had a poor line-up of games. I wouldn't say the PS5 had a stellar launch line-up but it wasn't dire either. Certainly better than the PS2 many years ago. I didn't even mention that; you've just taken what I wrote to mean that, and that isn't what I meant.
I was talking purely about the hardware, and the firmware (which admittedly is a type of software). Neither launched in a state I would consider complete. If anyone considers that they were, at launch, then I would say people are as happy to buy unfinished consoles as they are to buy unfinished games and are letting Sony off of the hook way too easily. For example, Microsoft made sure that SSD expansion slot media was available on Day One and that's (at this point) a proprietary media/form factor of storage. Sony's M.2 slot, which uses regular M.2 style spacing, is more standard and yet it launched with the slot disabled and no media to put in it. If Sony's excuse is "there aren't any M.2 SSDs fast enough to facilitate the speed needed for games" then they should have made one, or subcontracted out to have one made. They're in the business of making hardware - TVs, home cinema systems, games consoles - and have been for some time, so it's really a lame excuse.
"Look believe any narrative you want."
This presupposes I've been "suckered in" by someone else's train of thought. I haven't. I look at the facts as given and draw my own conclusions. The only narrative I believe in is my own, and I think narrative is completely the wrong word to describe it. It's more of an honest analysis.
@JJ2
"It's also funny because I know some fanatics are convinced PS5 was supposed to launch in 2019 and got delayed at the last minute to try compete with TFLOPs haha"
Heh. That is moderately amusing. I'm not in that camp, although the talk of them running the CPU/RAM at higher speeds than originally planned to get the TFLOP number into double digits is interesting, lest it be a 9/12 split versus Series X. There's really no evidence to support that theory but it's something to think about. It's not like raw performance always matters anyway - the One X really didn't revive Microsoft's fortunes in the last days of the previous gen, although I personally still think it's one of the greatest consoles ever made (in looks and performance). Also the Switch is basically a potato and that's sold more like hot cakes, so raw horsepower isn't the whole story. As always, it's about the games. Having the games people want.
"Anyway in this type of discussion people don't listen"
MOST people don't listen, sure. I do. In fact if you read the comments to this piece you'll see I agree with some of what you're saying and some of what everyone else is saying. Part of the pleasure of gaming is not just the act itself but also discussing it - that's why sites like this exist right.
"I already said PS5 has better compression on SSD for instance, so in reality I THINK you could install more games in PS5 than SX origin SSD"
Yes you did, and while that's true it's a lot easier to expand the storage on a Series X than a PS5. At least with the Series X Seagate Expansion SSD things, hideously expensive as they are, you can play any and all Series X games from it. With an external SSD hooked up to the PS5 via USB3, you can "archive" and that's it. I consider that a weakness.
"Don't take it too seriously man and have a nice weekend."
I don't - to me this is just a polite debate/conversation - and you too. 😊
@zekepliskin
Hi man.
Sorry I usually sort of have a break from Push at weekends.
I mean I don't mind some friendly chat but you know what the Internet is like, more often than not, its about childish bickering about who 'wins' an argument in the most futile and pointless way not realising both sides can be and often are misinformed to some degree or don't bring up the correct relevant data or simply forget to use their brain haha
I always try to speak my mind and I hope you don't get offended. I mean it can be difficult like stepping on eggs shells while from my end it's only akward typing from my phone often walking about.
Good on you to have both systems. I think you should enjoy both equally.
I don't really get the competition, from gamers point of view, and trying to praise one system over the other just for the sake of it.
'If Sony's excuse is "there aren't any M.2 SSDs fast enough to facilitate the speed needed for games" then they should have made one, or subcontracted out to have one made. '
I mean I'm not tech guy, far from it, but it's obviously a tech issue. I think you should see that. Even if they managed to make one it would have been really expensive. More than Ms solution. You got to admit the PS5 storage architecture is more complex and more advanced. Considering SX expansion price, I think it makes sense for it not to be available at launch even though, yes, it's getting high time it becomes available NOW.
I merely mention the games line up because it makes sense in demonstrating the PS5 didn't launch too early. The games were ready, is the point. I'm sure you know SX also didn't have their 'tools' ready and so on. It's well know dev kit tools were more mature and ready on PS5.
Other than that, I'm sorry but I'm not interested in 'debate' about which 'piece of plastic' (ha I hate using that sort of virtue signalling cliche but it's difficult to get the idea across) is best.
From my point of view they are simply very different in the concept but also very similar.
For me and I'm sure many gamers, having both would just be a waste of money for the few 'exclusives' not available on the other.
Edit
To be clear. Of course my preference is PlayStation. I don't like xbox from my point of view as a gamer. That's not to say others can't have the complete opposite point of view. Its fine haha
It just doesn't makes sense to me, to try and argue about other people preferences.
We are all different. So from that perspective, a 'debate' is pointless other than exchanging information which isn't really a debate. 🤷♂️
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For the 'amusing' rumour of PS5 in 2019 here's I'll try explain how I see it:
There was a leak saying it was planned to launch in 2019 but here's the thing:
From concept to retail it takes, like at least 5 years.
Its obvious they need a release window early so they figure out available tech, sw, etc so the early window, in 2015, was 2019.
That release window, of course, is not set in stone.They affine it as the project takes shape.
from what I read, the launch window changed in 2017. It sounds perfectly normal and has absolutely nothing to do with xbox.
The rest if FUD narrative from some fanatics unfortunately spread by prominent personalities from twitter, youtube and unfortunately some game journalism. people who dont know better believe them
CPU and RAM have nothing to do with TFLOPs BTW (again I'm no tech guy but it's common knowledge)
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