There’s much talk about Sony’s failings in the subscriptions space, but it’s worth remembering that PlayStation has by far the most successful service in the industry right now. PS Plus reached a new record number of active members during the quarterly period ending 31st December, 2021, reaching 48 million.
This is the highest number that the service has ever achieved, and is up slightly compared to the 47.6 million registered during the same period last year. It’s likely this figure will drop slightly in future reports, but it’s clear that growth is still possible for the subscription. The platform holder will be hoping that it can achieve even higher numbers with its rumoured Project Spartacus.
It’s a reminder that, for all the doom and gloom that circles Sony sometimes, the actual data paints an extremely positive picture. Despite the PS5 being supply constrained, the PlayStation division registered its second largest quarterly revenue ever during the holiday period just gone, totalling $7.15 billion. That number’s higher than any other platform holder has ever achieved.
There’s much to criticise and be concerned about, then, but Sony is still at the strongest it’s ever been.
[source sony.com]
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Surely 50m x £X a month means we can have day one titles.
@Anke No.
I could swear that PS+ Subs were already 50+ Million at one point before going down again
@IonMagi Nope, this is a new record.
@get2sammyb my point being that making that £X into a certain number surely could make it profitable. There must be a point that it could be profitable, even if it was expensive.
@Anke Gamepass has 25 Million Subs and is not profitable while being more expensive. Should tell you enough I think. And a big junk of Ps+ Subs are bought on Sale
@IonMagi what if PS+ with day ones was £50 a month. That would surely be profitable. Yes not many people would take it up but the service could be there.
'It’s a reminder that, for all the doom and gloom that circles Sony sometimes, the actual data paints an extremely positive picture. Despite the PS5 being supply constrained, the PlayStation division its second largest quarterly revenue ever during the holiday period just gone, totalling $7.15 billion'
It's a reminder that all the doom and gloom comes directly from a minority of vocal gamers on various social networks and they way Sony news gets worded and reported across media outlets to generate the most views.
Sony's future has never looked in ruder health. Profits up, a console that sells out as soon as its available and would be doing record numbers if it weren't for component shortages, PS subs up, 1st party games selling huge numbers despite price increases, PSVR2 and a sleuth of new accessories and VR games, 25 new 1st party games promised, a raft of new studios signed up, a cohesive, long-awaited re-examination of PS Plus and PS Now as services, a new avenue of gaming in GaaS which already exists, though people don't even realise, with games like GT Sport showing it can be done well....so much to look forward to and yet you'd think Sony is having a crisis because of the narrative behind the language used when talking about it. Its not all roses because of what MS is doing, and Sony still has plenty of room to improve but the doom and gloom that seems to surround it is out of proportion.
Oh look. 50m subs that wished sony would make GaaS games for them too.
Oh wait. People here think sony should only care about them. Nevermind. They shouldn't.
They should go only single player and lose all the casuals to the competition and have less money for single player games. Perfect!!! That's how we want it here on Pushsquare (the fans)!
@Anke You are assuming those 50 millions want to pay more for a Game Pass like service. Many won't and like the model they have. They pay for PS+ for online fifa, cod, gta etc. and perhaps the occasional 'free' game they might like
Sony is earning tons of money on these subs, so customers should be expecting better games on Plus than was the case this month.
How many of them subs are being forced to buy it to get online game saves ? Make game saves free
I wonder how much lag there is in this data reporting. We might just now be seeing the spike in subs from the Black Friday discount. Alternatively it might be people jumping on board at the thought of Project Spartacus and a hopeful grandfathering into the new benefits forthcoming. Because I really doubt there was an increase in subscribers this month for the likes of Planet Coaster, UFC4, and Tiny Tina’s $5 Adventure.
Edit: Nevermind — I see that these numbers are from the last quarter of 2021. So yeah, probably a result of BF and Christmas.
Still not really fussed about Plus dunno why. Waiting in lobbies and disconnections is a vibe killer for me in online mp, and the free games... they're mostly precious HD space takers plus I want to actually own them.
@Anke
Well, presuming its £40 a month (will be less in other zones and in sales), and removing the cost of the actual infrastructure, then removing the 100 million per AAA game that Sony funds (and that figure is only increasing)…I’m going to say no. Not if Sony want to be able to invest in games safely and other initiatives such as VR.
Now you might argue that Sony needs to be willing to make a short term loss for subscribers in the same way MS do, but MS would just outspend and so outlast them if they took that road.
Now your idea of charging so much per month/year for all Sony first party games might have merit, but it would mean Sony having to get a certain number of games out per year and, frankly, most casuals only care about FIFA, COD, GTA, and Fortnite. Those who would buy that service are likely those who’d buy Sonys games anyway.
@Anke lol!! Just some decent AAA games would be a welcome change from the garbage we receive!
Multiplayer it’s a reason why i sub this Services !
@riceNpea Yes, exactly this. Reporting on Sony lately is very negative. Even the positive reports have some negative spin. I don’t get it? 🤷
Overall, PS+ is a great service. I've had it since it first launched in 2010. Sometimes, there are bad months, but unrealistic expectations for $5 or less per month aside, the service pays for itself dozens of times over each year. A further testament to its business model, the service grows in value as time goes on because if I were to unsubscribe, I'd lose all the games I've collected over the years.
This is why I don't think Sony will talk about Spartacus till after the financial year on March 31st because they won't want people holding off buying subs for a length of time.
@IonMagi
Considering I got six months of Game Pass for $1 after having Game Pass free for three months, and that 25M figure was announced for the month Halo Infinite released (indicating it includes those that decided to pay $10 to play Halo for the month instead of $60), I'm not at all impressed by that 25M number, to be honest.
In any case PS+ =/= Game Pass. Sony doesn't toss out free PS+ subs like candy and advertise it everywhere like Microsoft does with Game Pass.
@Martsmall I stay subbed so I can keep the huge back catalogue of PS+ games I’ve amassed over the years (that I never play 👀). I rarely play online either, other than Fortnite which you don’t need PS+ for anyway. But I got my last 12 month sub for £22 in the Days of Play sale (good old ShopTo), so I don’t mind. That’s less than £2 a month. It’s peanuts.
@riceNpea Well said as ever, sir.
Also..
How are you doing, mate? Long time no see. 😊
How is this even possible? Look how bad the PS Plus games are each and every month, same goes for PS Now.
For now... That's all the Christmas gift card at work.
@Snake_V5 Because you have to have PS+ to play paid games online. A large chunk of PS+ subscribers probably just want to play GTAV, the newest FIFA or the newest CoD with their friends.
I betting most of those like me are force to have Plus just for the online play, remove the online pay wall (like the awesome PS3 days!) and those numbers would need a microscope to be seen.
PS Plus last Wednesday: Dramatic drop of high quality standards, short-changing subscribers, Sony dropping the ball again, gulf in value
PS Plus this Wednesday: Most successful service in the industry, strongest it's ever been, extremely positive picture
@Snake_V5
You and I don't reflect the majority of casuals.
I let my sub end as I don't play online anymore and what's on offer for free I don't play because of a huge backlog.
Still, my situation doesn't reflect the majority.
GaaS games are wildly popular. Lots of streamers play online games for views and popular streamers collect a solid income.
I ignore GTA5 like the plague nowadays. I mean, I really enjoyed the game on both PS3 and PS4, but it got boring and I moved on to other great games. Still, huge amount of players still play GTA online daily and the game keeps selling like crazy.
That alone, should give a good idea of what's going on and why Sony is going to invest in GaaS games. I just hope they do keep a strong focus on singleplayer masterpieces. 🙏
These subs directly relate to people who really want to play online, I don't think people pay for the monthly games, honestly I don't think a day and date game release on this new service would be wise either, I'm all for a sub service to a mix of games but personally I feel MS games have dropped in quality since this integration. Some are great don't get me wrong, but that's not a huge amount by any means. Keep the sub low to get people subscribed and release good quality 3rd party games with a few first mixed in (AA games)
@riceNpea
Well said!!
Fully agree with your comment!
You earned that ❤
@Anke Yep, there is a number, but you're not going to like it!
@Snake_V5 Everything u said there is a opinion not a fact !
@TheDarkSide holy *****!!!!!!!!!!! So good to see you Darkside! I've been shining a Bat torch into the sky but you never see it!!! Big hugs 🥰🥰🥰
@Anke 50 quid a month ,jesus, they'd lose millions of subs with that pricing
I'm not really sure why I have PS+. I hardly ever play the games because I bought to many and don't even get round to those. PS+ is almost worthless to me, still it's an incredible deal and I can't believe that people are whining that they don't get 60 pounds worth of games they want to play every month from an annual subscription of 50 pounds.
25 million subs on game pass considering it is supposed to be so superior is pitiful especially as they have given away subscriptions for almost nothing. I can only imagine that Microsoft wants to destroy the market, gain the monopoly and then raise prices exorbitantly.
@frankmcma I think ps+ can be both of those things, which is kind of troubling IMO. If that high subscriber base eventually gets PO’d over a gulf in value or seeks better value elsewhere, that’s big damage potential.
I like psplus. Subbed almost exclusively for the games.
Yes sometimes it isn't my cup of tea, but mostly I enjoy the offerings.
A game like operation tango would never hity radar but thanks to psplus I found an immensely fun coop game.
And that's just 1 example.
Then we have the psplus discounts for members, the online wich I sometimes use but not much, the cloud save storage. I am content with the way it is now.
But if I have to go by the comments each month, I am probably in the minority?
I don't understand what some people expect from ps+, Often the exclusive deals already outweigh the subscription cost. Then, I am pretty sure during a year there is at least one game for pretty much everybody, which also would outweigh the subscription fee. In the end it is a fee for the cloud storage and the online infrastructure. Everything on top is a bonus, I would say.
I don't know what project Spartacus is all about, but three tiers where the old titles are not included in the basic or mid package sounds ridiculous. A la cart would be much better. I honestly don't think that they need to change anything aside from getting PS3 games on Now. The subscription model should just be for old stuff and the new releases should make their money in the first 6 months to a year just like they do for movies.
@Snake_V5 I don't get this take; while some individual months aren't great, the games that have been included on PS+ over the last 18 months have been great overall
@riceNpea Big hugs back at ya, my friend. 😊
Just removed the underscores from my username as I wasn't getting notifications. Hopefully that's fixed it.
@Anke £50 a month 😂😂😂 Who would pay that? When u can get a year of gamepass ultimate for around that when on sale...
A lot of doom and gloom comes from entitled brats, think ps+ is a games subscription service; wheres it's to pay to pay online and the games are an incentive to pay for ps+ subscription.
@TheDarkSide @code45709 is here to. He'll be thrilled to see you! And @Weebleman! Everyone has missed you buddy. I'm not there anymore either. It's gone all George Orwell over there.
PushSquare has become such a toxic website.. Almost every news or article is being constructed in a negative light, while in reality data and facts point to the contrary. Assuming "Project Spartacus" is happening, I have trouble seeing all the "doom and gloom" on the horizon.
In other news, as noted by others, the competition has delivered 3 noteworthy games over the course of 2 years, one of which was out of their control (Psychonauts 2), one of which was a DLC (Forza Horizon 5), and last of which was incomplete (Halo Infinite). Oh, yes, and a flying simulator, because we all know that has a massive casual appeal.
Somehow that is being spun into a success story and an amazing sign for the bright future..
People saying PS+ game's are bad you obviously don't have got or seen Xbox Gold, they are god awful. I've hardly ever bother looking nowadays, maybe once in a blue moon you might actually want to add it. Probably it's because of GamePass they are awful.
I usually bought 1 year psplus for about $30 on cdkeys, mostly for psplus discount and cloud save (which is free on steam and xbox btw), I rarely play the free games anymore.
@Aexurion mmmm....yummy hearts for my belly. Sadly it's whats happening, and I don't really know why I'm surprised, negativity is what seems to promote the most responses from people so psychologically speaking it's the most efficient way to attract traffic.
Oddly though it doesn't work at home. The more I'm told I'm not doing the washing right the less likely I take notice and do it well next time 😁
@BritneyfR_ee it's true. Even the good news is tainted with links to bad news stories elsewhere
@Anke why would anyone pay £50 a month?
@AdamNovice I was thinking the same thing. It will be April before we hear from them about this. After Horizon and Elden Ring, but before Forspoken.
I guess all those whiners complaining about the terrible monthly games must’ve forgot to turn off their subscription auto renewal. /s
@Perturbator I think the more subscribers they have, the more difficult and expensive it is to secure a game for ps+, because if 50m+ already have it, who's left to buy it?
It's a paywall to play online games. There's 130+M PS4+PS5 consoles out there, in a market where the majority of gamers want to just play big online/service games. Why would this number be surprising? It mostly means online games are a fast growing portion of what's being played, which we already knew when the top games were CoD, FIFA, and GTA.
@riceNpea Yeah, I've been talking to them, mate. I joined the Discord group that weebleman set up. I haven't half missed you all.
I quit my EG account months ago, because of what was happening there and how they were treating site members who'd basically made the site what it was. They had something special and now?...... Yeah, it's all gone Pete Tong. It'll bite them on the a**e one day.
This site is decent though. At least they report on actual gaming news. 👍
@TheCollector316
100% agree. I’ve had my subscription since the first month it was available on PS3 and have never let it lapse. Hell, I still go back and download PS3 games to play that I missed out on buying that are now unreasonably priced or hard to find used.
‘for all the doom and gloom that circles Sony sometimes,’
Ya don’t say Push 🧐
It circles in circles all around here about. 😅
@Squanch If they make the online free like for the fine folks on PC we wouldn't be subscribed and we wouldn't have to come here and complain which I know really bothers you and probably keeps you up at night 🙂
@Nexozi @Kopite @vapidwolf1 I was just pitching a quitably high number for an ultimate top-tier PS+ that might make profit. As someone who easily buys 50+ games every year it might make sense for me but I admit I am in a minority.
@BritneyfR_ee this site is guilty of that ,heres a new game ,aww but you can rent it on gamepass,is a very common sub heading
@Anke 50 games a year ,how do you find the time ? Are you a teacher ?😂
So more than gamepass and games with gold combined? Lol
I would much rather spend more money on making the games with playstation plus better and with new releases than a gamepass competitor
@Juanalf
Nah. What I complain about and keeps me up at night is wondering why they don’t charge PC gamers to play online. That’s the real atrocity here. 🤨
@vapidwolf1 I do have a lot of free time for sure. 2,309 hours last year according to that stats thing last week.
@commentlife It is literally $5 a month, a coffee. I think 95% of people are very happy. Sony would have to change it to a total train wreck for the masses to leave. I can't see getting 40 games for $60 being a huge problem for a majority of peeps. Plus I don't see tons of "PS Plus Not Worth It" articles. Aside from here of course
@riceNpea I'm glad not the only one seeing the narrative is 'falsely manipulated' constantly.
Far too many people in the 'online space' absorb this manipulated version of events and make the wrong conclusions, and its something I think push square is often very guilty of too.
For the vast majority of customers, and those who can see past the FUD that online space often brings, your picture of the 'state of play' is an obvious truth.
@Anke I wouldn't be against paying it, but it would have to include some amount of stuff to make worth while. The problem is there'll be games ur not interested in at all releasing being add. Then ppl will complain about them the same way we do with PS Plus. Though I always add them to my library, I can't remember the last time I downloaded one of the games with gold ones on the Xbox. Another issue is that a lot of games release quite buggy day 1. Also then u have the games leaving the service despite u paying out that much.
@Nexozi I think the takeaway here is that we are just never happy with whatever we've got.
@get2sammyb One thing - that I've never seen mentioned anywhere - is if you have a PS5, 17m now I think, you get to quickly pick up 20+ games w/ TGC. Not all great but some name recognition w/ Days Gone, God of War, Last Guardian. If you can spend $400/500 on a PS5 iit's probably worth the xtra $60 just for those, even if the rest of the years offerings aren't up to snuff each month.
As a PS4 owner my PS+ $ going towards subsidising games for PS5 owned always irked me, they really should have named it something different, PS5 Early Adopters Collection, and not cheated PS4 PS+ payers out of those games, but I is worth paying for PS+ on PS5 for that collection all at once, not 2/3 games per month.
I guess giving free sh*tty titles is profitable.
I know USA is the center of the world, but in many other countries, one month of PS Plus isn't exactly cheap. Makes you think at least twice before suscribing.
If people think a $30-$60 a year PS Plus in bad how would they feel on Micorsofts $59-$180 a year service each month when they are handed trash games on any given month!! Microsoft also are fading out out the upgrade loophole with new conversion tables for games with gold to game pass ultimate. Its also a one time thing they get locked out of the loophole once they use it.
I prefer to make my own choices for my games. I can buy a big title day one or wait for a deep discount! Why some people expect a $60 AAA game on a service that cost $4-$5 is far from my understanding. No I do Not want Game PASS Ultimate for $15 a MONTH. I do Not want a PlayStation service that cost $15 a month.
@Lup I guess Turkey is the center of the world because you can buy it for less Than the US there.
I must say I have mixed feelings towards this Project Spartacus thing, tending to worrisome. If this is something that will add extra costs, PS Plus will stop being a premium service and become a entry level thing. I guess we will have to wait and see what will be offered, but it is more stuff to evaluate the cost vs benefit.
@EquiinoxGII I see this assertion pop up every time PS plus is discussed, any maybe for some people, maybe even a majority, it's true, but certainly not for everyone. I for one subscribe a year at a time, knowing that it costs about as much as a discounted AAA, and I'll get more out of it. Last year, excluding the instant collection, I got about 4 AAAs which would have been on heavy sale, and a decent handful of smaller games I would never have bought, but enjoyed immensely. Meanwhile I spent 18 hours in 2021 playing online.
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person out there doing this.
@riceNpea
Yep! True!
With everything that going on right now it really isn't that surprising negativity attracts more responses.
Oddly it doesn't work at home? Not at all! I understand what you're trying to say but negativity at home creates stressful situations. Let's be honest, we can all do without negativity where we spend most of our lives. Sadly, at times impossible to avoid even if we try our best to do so.
@Anke Sounds like a terrible idea.
@theheadofabroom completely agree, I might have posted that comment (which I believe relates to the majority)
For me, I'm the same as yourself. I don't regularly play online and I honestly only have it for the games.. haha.
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