PS Plus Extra, Premium Now Live in Europe, Australia, and New Zealand

At least we can buy the classics so there's no need to subscribe. £9.49 for resi is a bit steep though.

I'll wait for now. The games I wanted to play, I've played played on PS Now already and the classic games I'm interested in I had already purchased, so I am able to download them at no extra cost. Had a quick look at Syphon Filter, RE, Wild Arms and Ape Escape. When more classic games which I don't own yet get added or some interesting day 1 titles. Stray in July is a good start. A few promising indies, maybe a AA title here and there and I might take the plunge.

Trying to charge me £99.99 to upgrade when my normal plus auto renewed last week. “£99.99
Upgrade for the remaining 358 days. Then £99.99/12 months.”

This can’t be right.

I don't usually leave my PS5 in rest mode, but it's gonna be a busy machine tonight while I sleep - queued up a load of stuff off Extra. Glad I bought that SN850 now 👍

For day one, I think Sony have done a decent job. Enjoy, everyone.

@Loftimus is that one available to buy ? Didn't have the option when I downloaded it & I think the standard price for the ps1 games should be £3.99 that's reasonable especially when they haven't bothered to add trophies to most of them

So which version of PS1 games did Europe get?

@Grumblevolcano apparently the pal versions

Isn’t up on my console yet but I added the games I was interested in via the app and they downloaded fine. Started Ys VIII as I’ve been waiting to play that. Played a bit of Tekken 2, won arcade with Jun but there aren’t any trophies and it definitely feels like the 50Hz version.

@Grumblevolcano not into the retro stuff myself so not directly affected, but sucks that they've lumbered UK with the crappy PAL versions! Makes no sense either with today's TVs.

^Agreed. There's so much I've never tried, I'm gonna be playing stuff for months. Children of Morta and Matterfall first I think.

@get2sammyb for someone who's never had Gamepass or anything like it. It's pretty overwhelming. Mostly in a good way, although I predict many more unfinished and barely played games ahead for me!

wow the classic games selection sucks. but as for the ps5 and PS4 they seem decent. sony need to step up their game and need to put more classic games on. or they just lied to us

@Would_you_kindly yes. Tekken 2 and mr driller are going for £336 at the minute so resi doesnt seem too bad now.

Can see Resident Evil dual shock & Tekken 2 as PSN AU new releases but like the U.S. roll-out only available by ps plus deluxe subscription.
Looking at mostly $15 pricing for the other ps1/psp games...I'm assuming the Jak & Daxter series have retained their ps4 classic price point.🤔
Whilst Deluxe might look a good price on paper, the lack of a big non streaming catalogue of classics thus far really isn't an advertisement to upgrade!
Since the initial Asian launch what has been added? RE Dual shock,& Super Stardust?
No Konami games like Suikoden 1 & 2? No Dino Crisis 1 & 2,no Alundra, Legend of Dragoon,,FF1,2,4-6 Breath of Fire or other JRPG's? Adventure of Lomax, Tomba series? No Maximo's or indeed ANY ps2 titles beyond Jak & Daxter?
There's just been silence rather than hyping up what they might be bringing,no "we're working on ntsc/ pal choices if you want them"....it just feels like another low budget Jim Ryan effort that reads promising until you see the fine print/actual results.

Big nope from me, almost double the cost of gamepass and I don't even bother with gamepass, might as well just pay for the classics I want and be done with it.

Edit: I'm Australian BTW $22 for highest tier for single month compared to $10 for game pass PC, please consider that whatever country you live in doesn't have the same pricing scheme as mine. I'm only taking into account a single month for each service to get every game possible, it is $15 for game pass ultimate but is a waste as I don't play on multiple consoles at once and can't justify a full years cost on either even if you save money on each service. In the end I'd rather just buy the games I want and own them for good. $155 goes a long way!

@get2sammyb For something like Tekken 2, it plays noticeably worse. I played the NTSC version not too long ago on a Vita and it felt a million times better. Not a great look for a PS5 version of the game to play worse than their dead handheld’s version.

@Momoghal786 i mean no offense what were you expecting? its the same line up thats in the states.

@Robocod they haven't started doing the monthly updates yet because it's not out everywhere. Now that it is, essential will update first Tuesday of the month and extra premium deluxe updates the third Tuesday of every month.

so what are the prices to upgrade from essential? not interested in the new subscribers prices

Trying to upgrade to premium but payment won’t process getting something went wrong error every time.

Congrats to everyone on PushSquare that can now enjoy the new PS+ service!

In the US here and just finished my first game downloaded through the service, “Observation”. It’s a short space thriller from Devolver Digital with unique environment interaction systems. Not a bad place to start with the new catalog of games.

@MitTheSequal well assuming you are trying to upgrade from Essential to Premium, should be £50 upgrade for the rest of the year. Strange that is showing at £100

Also, can confirm Game in the UK are not selling new PS Plus cards online. Only top-up vouchers, which it says to use for buying PS Plus.

Bit of a shame. No more discounts I guess

I hope everyone who upgrades enjoys it. I’m from the USA and I’m debating it. It says I can upgrade for $10 for 100 days even though my subscription ends in August. Debating doing that and finally playing Returnal

Yay....?

Not exactly sure what there is to be excited about tbh. 50hz PS1 games?

Personally i won't be upgrading until they sort the PAL situation out and add alot more classic games. The launch has been a huge dissapointment for me

23 quid to upgrade to extra for the rest of the year. Donwloading returnal for after work.

If you're a year behind on your gaming, this is a bargin. I'm not fuse by retro games, except for R-Type.

It's the law that you play R-type on everything available.

the UK labelling is a mess extra games labelled as premium. Then games labelled as included? games listed that arnt even on the service

There are so many I want to play, it's not even funny. Insane value for money (in my case anyway).

I gave OlliOlli World a try and it's definitely an excellent game, just not for me.

Downloading Demon's Souls (ps5) at the moment. Next is Spider-man and Miles Morales.

Well it turns out I already own Resident Evil Directors Cut, Oddworld and Toy Story 2, plus all the Star Wars games and Jak and Daxter 1 so I may go for the middle tier, though its only a few £ more 🤔. Sony really need to give us the option of downloading NTSC versions of games though

@trev666 those which say included cannot be bought separately, so it says that instead of a price

@huyi it'll tell you in the store how much you need to pay, for me to get to the top tier for around 300 remaining days its about £40

@carlos82 but they do have a price on them

@get2sammyb Seems a bit naughty they're showing stuff in the catalog that isn't actually available, unless you want to pay for it. I've just signed up for the Extra, went to download Project Cars 3 but no. Number 2 is also showing but you'd have to pay for that too. Bit of research and people were complaining about this on 6th of June. Not sure if there are similarly affected titles. Don't suppose you have any idea?

why are loads of games labelled as premium when they're not?

Tried using the app and the ps5 and crashes during upgrade to extra. Nice that they’ve taken the money out, thanks Sony 😡

@trev666 the only games that I saw say included on the app were the likes of Tekken 2 and Mr Driller which can't be bought, oh and the actual monthly PS plus games

days gone labelled as extra
detroit labelled as premium
shadow of colossus no label
final fantasy 7 labelled as premium

they are all on extra

Bizarre

£4.56 for me to upgrade for the rest of my subsription, but after doing it once it has reverted it back and refunded me. I will wait until later today to try again.

@huyi
Apparently £99.99 for me even though I have almost a full year left on my current Plus. I bought most of mine Previously on sales so I’m unsure if it’s trying to make up for the money I “saved”

I have Premium but can’t yet see any PS1, PS2 or PSP games listed, only PS3, PS4 and PS5, where should I be looking or are they being added later?

Downloaded Resident Evil Directors Cut which I had on my PS3, no charge!

How exciting!

I have premium until Nov: so looking at it all so far. I’d say it is decent first offering from Sony. Yes, NSTCC versions would be better but these PAL games are literally what I grew up playing, it’s fine for me. And it would be great if there were more PS1 classics day 1 but gamepass shows how important monthly refreshments are. PS Now had 700 games available and no one cared about it. More games will be added, and it will improve over time.

All those PS5 games though on Extra: it is insane value. I am starting on Spiderman:MM, Syphon Filter and Resi 1 (still so good). I already own both of them so it’s just great to have ps1 games on a huge TV again.

Upgraded to Extra last night and had a quick look through, seen what looked like a lot of PS4 games listed as Premium.

I'm gonna assume as it was so late my brain was tired and I was missing something obvious.

Can't even remember which ones neither.

I'll have a look once the kids leave for school, check it out properly

Here's the full list for the UK

https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/ps-plus/games/#game-cat-a-z

@Dudditz09 there's a few ps4 games listed in the classics section which needs premium, but it's only a small handful

The upgrading isn't working for me. I tried to upgrade 2 times. both times it says i have ps plus premium, i can see the games but not download them and after a while it goes back to show essential again. Both times it did charge my credit card though very weird

@themuckman Hey mate, out of curiosity how long have you had the extra SSD? I used to have the SN850 although every time I turned the console on (rest mode or cold start) it would always come up with an error on the SSD, it does a check and then says all is fine.

Was looking forward to trying this out but the intenet is down in my town and could be for 2-4 days apparently.

@MrElfenSafety If it's anything like what I just had it doesn't crash, as such, it was just showing a blank PS+ screen. I held down the PS button to go to home, everything else was fine, so could still look at the collection via the store. But the PS+ screen did stay frozen for quite some time. Before finally showing what it's meant to.

Mines updated to Premium until July 2024. Thank you PlayStation Now deal from last year. Haha. Basically got 2 years of Premium for £60.

Downloading Syphon Filter and Everybody’s Golf now. Getting those Plats.

@GorosBat If you are interested at all, it’s worth jumping into a year. I’ve got both, Game Pass Ultimate is £132 a year, PlayStation Plus Premium is £100 a year.

@GorosBat its cheaper than gamepass. Not sure how you get it to work out as double the cost

925 days left and it’s saying I can upgrade to Extra for £84.99. Shopto have a £90 top up card for £79.05. Good deal?

Edit: My PSN has a balance of £5 so I could get the £80 top up for £69.15.

Mine updated fine but it's showing me that I have to pay one year of premium and one year of ps now hope they sorted out.

I have more money than free time for gaming, so no upgrade for me. All the best games I want to play I can buy on disc (new or preowned on eBay). I hope that this „old concept of gaming“ will still be a thing with the next generation.

The upgrade pricing seems to be all over the place. I'm seeing people paying £20 for a 12month upgrade then £40 for 12month upgrade. I've got until the 15th of Dec left on plus and my upgrade to premium is £22.50 and to extra its £15.38.

Just seems all over the place.

I got an XSX the other day and got Gamepass for £1 for 3months.

I feel Sony have made this more complicated than it needs to be.

I think I'll hold off for abit and see how things pan out.

@get2sammyb important update:
https://twitter.com/playstationeu/status/1539865859010793472?s=21

I just hope Returnal goes down to £19.99 now it’s part of the subscription service.

No Demon's Souls Ps3. Classic selection feels underwhelming to me. I'll just continue to physically own my games, like the dinosaur I am, thanks.

I upgraded to ps+++. Just browsing through the games i know ill get my money worth.

@naruball when seeing the list on the Playstation in front of me its hard to argue against how much value there really is. Even as someone who owns a reasonable amount of them, there's still a lot here I'd play, I'll probably go for extra as I already own the few classics I want to play again

@Valgore

It's not all over the place, it's jus a difference from if you had a monthly, quarterly or annual ps plus before. Since the with the annual you get like 6 months for 'free' compared to monthly.

I have 350 days left of ps plus (which is now essential), and since mine is set to annual i pay €40 for the extra upgrade or €60 for the premium upgrade; the exact difference between the tiers annual price.

@add286 I wish everyone else looked at the PAL versions like you, I also grew up with the PAL versions and so would most if not all of the people it affects that are commenting on here.

Its available in South Africa too

@Weebleman you can play around with regions on xbox and then do the 1 month trials. They go for like a dollar online. Idk how exactly it works, but my friend who is from a third world country does that.

Great... Now my dowload queue is even longer! How can I expect to stream Motor Storm appocalypse when theres so much downloading?

Its a reasonable value proposition, and Id expect that the classics section will improve and fill up over time, but its still not been well handled. Pricing seems all over the place and the sorting and catogries filters do their level best to hide what you are looking for.
Annoyingly, classics seem to be in 2 catogories, ps3 games for streaming, everything else annoyingly labeled as ps4/ps5.
Unless im missing something, you cant display just ps2 games, and you cant even see what is a ps2 game while looking at the lists.

6/10. Catalog is ok, with more classics needed, but the entire interface needs some proper thought. We need to be able to choose ntsc versions, like nintentdo.

Looking good so far. Lots of classics etc. Love it

So can I simply upgrade from essential to premium by paying the extra cost on ps store? Is it really that simple?

@get2sammyb looks like we're getting the option of NTSC games https://twitter.com/PlayStationEU/status/1539865859010793472?s=20&t=vLZaXsJXaGKBitfjw9wXuA

@GorosBat
May I ask how you are calculating that this is nearly twice the cost of Gamepass? Gamepass Ultimate (which is the equivalent as it includes online play and streaming) is £132 for the year, PS Plus Premium (with many more downloadable games and streamable games) is £99.99.
Are you looking at a particular deal, or only looking at standard Gamepass?

Edit: don’t worry, I see now multiple people have already made you aware of your miscalculation. Sorry, I hadn’t read through the comments that far yet.

To upgrade to Extra for me is £84.99 for 1173 days (approx 3.2 years). I was expecting it to be the difference between the annual costs for Essential and Extra (£34) multiplied by years remaining, so it's less than I expected. Happy with that!

@carlos82 Great news. May hold off playing them for now then.

@thefourfoldroot1 gamepass can be had alot cheaper than £132 a year

£45 to upgrade to premium until next June, got Returnal, Demon Souls and Ghost of Tsushima to keep me busy for the year plus whatever else comes in. Will review if it’s worth it for another year next June but if I do pick it up I’ll be getting it for around £85 from Shopto

My upgrade to Premium was £15.75 for 114 days so I'll treat that as an extended trial and see if I use it enough

@Shepherd_Tallon damn nice! I was afraid the process will somehow be a lot more difficult

@trev666
That’s it’s price through Microsoft unless you game the system in some way, which most won’t know how to do. I’m aware there are deals and giveaways on both, with Gamepass being given away for almost nothing under some circumstances. I’m not talking about special deals though, just the standard price most will pay.

@markb44z They are all in the classucs menu. Anything that isnt ps3, is rather unhelpfully labeled ps4/ps5, but these are the ps1 2 and psp titles.
Hopefully they will allow you to see them better soon!

@Sundown91 yeah it’s just not the end of the world y’know? I think when a game is older or has lower FPS, it is better to make the best of it and have fun with what you have? 60mhz would be nice but I’m guessing licensing/language issues have stopped it.

I genuinely wonder how modern gamers would deal with gaming back in the 80s and 90s? I love Digital Foundry and I get people want the optimum experience but if its not possible, it doesn’t negate all other forms of fun.

I’ll likely upgrade to Extra when I’ve finished the games in my backlog I need to (no point getting a subscription to anything that doesn’t lock games to your account if I still have physical games to finish). Currently it’s asking me for £48.06 for the remaining 515 days.So the equivalent of £34 a year to essentially add in a Now service.

Whether I go premium will depend on how good the streaming is on my PS5 and how many interesting games have trophy campaigns (not all PS3 games do, and unfortunately Sony left adding them to retro games down to the devs).

Im another one who really doesnt get the NTSC thing, we grew up with PAL versions in UK/Europe so meh... I'll prob upgrade to Extra, Ghosts of Tsu, Demons Souls, Stray when released, and loads of games I want to try just to see but would never buy like Spiderman/Miles Morales etc Does anyone know if you can stack the memberships? Like if I upgrade to extra, can you then buy another years worth? Bit of a shame if you can only renew at one point annually.

For me it’s not worth the extra cost. I only now play PS5 games so I checked and out of all 355 games there are only 37x PS5 games on the extra plan. And out of those 37x I already own 14x of them I already own. It might suit other people though. Just worried that the standard free monthly PS5 games will get worse now.

@themightyant
But Ultimate is the only apt comparison, and you can still get ps credit for cheap on Shopto etc, right? I’ve never done it myself, could never be bothered.
The main price difference, I thought, Is when gaming the system to get GPU at $1, but I doubt they’ll keep that loophole open indefinitely. Remains to be seen if Sony will keep doing twice yearly discounts. Hope so.

@trev666 games labelled included are able to be purchased separately. That's why it says included and not just premium.

@Titntin I didn't see one psp game on it lol

My ps plus sub runs until Feb and to upgrade to premium I'd be £34. Extra is a little closer to £30. I'll wait till payday maybe.

@PaperAlien
Same here, but Sony have said they are going to offer us the NTSC option too, so I guess I can see the difference when that happens.

@themightyant I actually got 6 years of Game Pass Ultimate for around £200 and 2 years of PlayStation Plus Ultimate for £60. Bargain. Haha.

To be fair, I’d have no problem paying full price for either. The cost of 3 (full price) games, for a year of access to both platforms subscriptions. Absolute bargain.

@PaperAlien We grew up with PAL versions because a lot of TVs had 50hz refresh rates.

The issue now is that pretty much all TVs run at 60hz (or 120hz) so there are frame pacing issues (the display image only refreshes 50 times on a 60hz screen). Some people are not sensitive to this, but others are.

In this day and age the NTSC versions are vastly superior because they run at the same refresh rate as modern TVs.

I finally got it to work upgrading from the console itself instead of through the app. In the app it failed 2 times on the console it went through without any problems. Now to browse through this huge catalog of game to make a list of which games to play first lol

I received more "Thank you for your purchase" emails than ever before lol

@Shepherd_Tallon huhuhuhu not working's cool. (yes you heard that in Butthead's voice)

@themightyant
Fair enough. Although I’m not even sure that the PS Plus cards are being removed forever, they obviously just have to change them to different options now the system has changed.

And I agree there is no need to compare them. They are both phenomenal value to those who have time to play lots of games, I was just correcting a clear mistake in saying GPU is half the cost of PS Premium, when we both agree it’s actually more expensive at standard non deal pricing.

@add286 I was there, and I can tell you that PAL was so crap compared to NTSC that I imported a Japanese PS1 to avoid dealing with it. So yeah, it was just as bad back then.

@billynotsilly bought my SN850 about three months ago, and touch wood haven't had any issues with it since installation. PS5 recognised it, formatted it, speed tested it and it all went smoothly. Can only think you might have a dodgy one might be worth exchanging it if it's possible.

I think it's reasonably safe to assume that new gift cards are going to appear at some point, ones worded more appropriately for the new system, Sony aren't going to abandon shop floor exposure.

@MitTheSequal are they out of their mind? What kind of "upgrade" is this? Lol

@carlos82 ok not bad, extra should be less than that which is what I'm aiming for, I don't understand the confusion when someone says 100, there must be issues on Sony's end

£40 for me to upgrade to premium! Got a £40 gift card for just over £35. Bargain.
Already downloading 8 games, for me personally I think it's amazing value for money. And I say this as a gamepass subscriber.
Looking forward to seeing what they add now over the months, starting with the excellent looking Stray.

@Would_you_kindly
I can see Echochrome and thats definitely psp.
Pretty hard to see whats what untill they label games with the original platform!
Been streaming motorstrom apocalypse this morni g and to be fair, it feels every bit as fluid as if it were playing locally, so I like lots of ps3 titles being available for stream. It seems pretty clear they need to work seriously on the catalogue eksewhere though...
We didnt even get ridge racer 2...

97 quid to upgrade to premium. at least i got Resident Evil Director's cut free without needingto upgrade

Haven't gone on to my PS5 yet, but no idea what to expect is going to happen when I do!

I already had a 1yr sub to Now on top of PS Plus, so Sony emailed me twice over the last few weeks to say they will be combined to be "Premium".
But my Now Sub was due to expire in October and my general PS Plus auto renews in September. So does that mean when it comes to Sept i'll be charged £100?!?
If they attempt to charge me right now, i'll be saying "Excuuuuse me!?"

Also now live in South Africa

Was anyone else not upgraded so far even tho they had PS+ and PS Now?

@themuckman 😂 so, out of the many millions of PAL games sold to millions of people in Europe-are you saying all of those folk had bad experiences? That those experiences don’t matter? I’m sure hardcore fans may have imported but most people clearly played and enjoyed PAL versions, and just got on with it.

Anything can be called poor by modern standards. And it would be great to get the 30fps versions now but not the end of the world if not. Kinda sad that people just don’t take something for what it is.

@themightyant
Yes, that’s what I’m waiting on. If it was me, and being cynical, I would only offer the 50% off on the lowest tier, and then hope people think they are saving money and so upgrade to a higher one. This would mean Sony don’t have to offer 50% off on the full amount , only the Essential portion. We’ll see.

@billynotsilly I'm gonna butt in here, sorry. I have the 1TB SN850 and it's been absolutely fine since I bought it in January

@themightyant Cheers! Hopefully the case it'll just renew in Oct.
Yh, silly me not doing the stacking when I had the chance. Ah well!

I'm not sure if anybody else has the following problem but Deliver us the Moon "Free PS5 upgrade" is now redirecting me to "Upgrade to enjoy this game and 100s more.... Upgrade your PlayStation Plus plan today" and not free to download?

Edit: I've sorted this problem out. Just go onto the PS app and add the PS5 version to your library and then download it from there.

@carlos82 exactly. I feel like there is more than enough for everyone, even for those who tend to buy most games they want to play and don't want to wait for a sale or for the games to be added to ps+

@themightyant Sorry, didn’t really explain. The Game Pass Ultimate was the 3 years of Gold converted to Game Pass Ultimate for £1 when it first launched. Then when those 3 years finished, Microsoft were still letting for do it, so last year I found a year of Gold for £40 and bought 3. Converted and got another 3 years of Game Pass Ultimate.

PlayStation Plus Premium, I bought a few years of Now in a sale as they were £30. Had until July anyway and added them so I was stacked until July 2024. Then when the new service started today, they turned my Now into Premium.

@huyi for some they may have PS Plus stacked so you have to pay for the rest of the subscription time in one go

@add286 So your logic goes: because people got what were unquestionably worse PAL versions 25+ years ago, they should be fine playing them now, even when the tech renders it unnecessary. Got it.

In any case, it seems as though this is moot because Sony are already caving on it. And double moot for me because I have no interest in replaying stuff from that long ago - I just inherited four years of Premium thanks to the PS Now loophole. Extra is my go to for this device and I'm loving it!

Hi all, I'm on and want ps + premium. Are there cheaper options outside of going direct via Sony?
Can't see anything for premium on shopto, cdkeys, amazon etc?
If not I'll keep paying monthly with a view to getting longer once/if black Friday deals emerge...

Or sounds like I could get 6 months now via Sony, then bolt on a year on top once/if black Friday deals emerge??

@trev666 Both services have deals. I bought Now for £50 for instance so i have premium till that ends.

Im aware cards have been recalled for ps services, but Im certain they will return once they have been rebranded, so deals are likely to always be an option.

.... And yes, im gp ultimate subscriber, but unlike most I dont get a lot out of it except the aaa titles, and I rate most it as filler, as with this service. The difference for me though, is that ps has a far far beter back catalogue for my tastes, so if they develop it well from here, it could be better for me. Regardless, ill remain subbed to both and get the best of both worlds.

@B80 at the moment, best way to save is to get the PSN credit itself as cheap as you can and do it that way.

@themuckman well my logic and my approach is my own: and playing older games: it is just part of it so no, it does not bother me so much (because I adjust expectations based on what I’m playing). And actually some games still will be PAL as they won’t be able to get NSCT versions for all of them. So not entirely moot.

Lol and if it doesn’t bother you: why are you even talking about it? I am a retro gamer first and foremost so I’m chill about it. And if you like modern stuff: it may bother you more. Preferences, my friend. All it is.

@huyi
I’m wondering if it’s because I’ve bought Plus so many times while it’s on sale. At least 4 years while it’s at 25% off as they seem to be making that our problem.

I've had a good look and nope, not for me. I'll see what happens in the future but for me it's not worth it at the mo. Hopefully they will do day 1 on 3rd party titles soon then I will be interested. I'm off to play Sniper elite 5 on GP now. Enjoy all.

@Valgore Stray is a third party release coming to it on day one so that's a decent start imo.

@themuckman Oh definitely a good start for sure. Hopefully we'll see more come our way. Stray looks really interesting.

Downloaded Returnal, Death Stranding PS5, Ape Escape and Toy Story. I already own Ghost of Tsushima (PS4 version), so will my save move over to the PS5 one automatically?

Also, should Sony remove it from the service and I have to go back to the PS4 edition, will the save carry backwards?

@Jey887 It’s not the TVs that are at fault here, it’s the PS4 and PS5 consoles themselves. Pretty much all TVs sold in the UK/EU are fully 50Hz compatible, so they can run 50Hz content natively (my LG C9 works fine with 50Hz content). Broadcast TV is still 50Hz after all. The consoles are only able to output 60Hz and this is what is causing the frame pacing issues. They should be able to offer an option to output 50Hz and this would solve the pacing issue, they could easily add this in a firmware update.

Let's be real it's not a patch on gamepass, look what gamepass added sniper elite 5, shredder's revenge ect its not just Microsoft games they add day one. Sony must do better. This feels like psnow with a different name.

@themightyant I'm Australian so $22 for a single month compared to $10 for game pass on PC you do the math 😊

I'm not really impressed to be honest. Classic PS3 games are still stream only. I think I'll just pay an extra £6.50 to get Premium for a month and smash through GoT and Miles Morales. That's worth it.

On premium tier until March next year. I added 44 new games to my library this morning. Very happy with what's been offered.

"It can't touch gamepass"

So what, that's why u can have both. It's a different offering.

@Nexozi who's got time for both? I only own one console that's enough for me.

@Weebleman I'm Aussie dude, regional pricing is different for me compared to you, don't presume I live in the same country as you.

@ApostateMage they always will be it's literally impossible for them to be ever downloadable

@themightyant Who even buys Ultimate? How many people need Game Pass on both Xbox and PC, only reason I can see why is I remember hearing that you could upgrade to ultimate for a buck at one time, so people did, waste of extra money for no reason apart from sometimes getting bonus stuff. I'm not having a take at you if it's worth it for you, but it isn't for me. I don't subscribe to either service and don't plan to any time soon.

@rjc-32 yes it's quite something that due to frame pacing issues, the PAL games are going to be even worse than they were originally 🤣

I thought this was sonys answer to gamepass? Not even a patch on gamepass they don't compare

Too many games to play. I'm bored after 5 minutes though. Its a mini game pass. Thanks god i bought a 1gb SSD Barracuda 510. Oh well i almost feel bad i bought MK11, Doom and some other games that are "free with subscription" but its inevitable. Got premium till end of 2022, but premium tier doesn't justify its name. Crap classics and very short list of trials. Sony need to fix it

As an Aussie, I’m struggling to swallow the pricing to move up from original/“Essential” (AU$80 annual) to either of the higher tiers (up to almost literally double). Then again, my current backlog is already probably 2 years long (RE7 even omg) so maybe I’m not the target market!

On the other hand… AU$155 a year for Deluxe, vs e.g. $140 outright for Returnal Deluxe Edition alone on the PS Store (i.e. “retail” price)? Maybe it isn’t such a bad deal after all… and maybe I’ll reassess once I make it through my backlog 😹

(oh and yeah I’m still dirty AU+NZ still don’t get PS Now - sorry, I mean “PS Plus Premium with PS3 Game Streaming”. srsly how hard is it to drop a room full of PS3s in a Sydney warehouse on a decent connection, sigh)

@thefourfoldroot1 No worries, but they are and aren't wrong, I've updated my 1st post to reflect why, but basically it's regional pricing differences and I'm only comparing the services for a single month as that's how I prefer to pay if I subscribed since I have a low interest in either service. Just a miscommunication and misunderstanding.

@GorosBat fair point well made pal.

@Shepherd_Tallon I think you go to the three dots top right and down to account or membership iirc.

@XanderTigerclaw I tried xcloud last year, with above average internet speeds, living in Sydney so probably near the servers and can say that the experience isn't very good even on the game I chose to stream, DQ11 S which is slow paced. We aren't missing out on much if ps3 games can only be streamed.

@Ryany Sony doesn't need an answer to GP, just needs to be value for money. £99 a year for 700+ games, some brand new 3rd party games plus top tier ps4 and ps5 games. Seems good to me. I have 8 games downloading as we speak.

Oh and I have GP on my series x, had it for years. Playing sniper elite 5 at the moment. GP has been very lack lustre this past year, and looking at the quality of the games available right now, Ps plus premium walks all over GP for me personally. Day one 1st party games mean nothing when they don't have any to drop. Still waiting for my SX to show its worth.

I still think that if they don't have more day one games (not first party, look at Gamepass, Turtles game day one) and a WAY bigger library of classic games then this revamp won't mean much!

@AFCC I fully agree

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/09/talking_point_is_a_playstation_game_pass_viable

We've come a long way, lads.

I’ve had a quick look on the app and PS5 earlier and it looks very clean and well integrated in my view. I’m not referring to comments above as not read them all but some gamers are so entitled. I’ve already upgraded from Essential to Extra and offering looks great value for money to me and I’ve already downloaded Ghost of T, Syphon Filter (can’t wait to taser folk again; incidentally this one seemed to be free before I even upgraded).

It’s £90 for a year and if I only play a handful (literally) of these games over 12 months then that’s value for money and I expect to play far more. Will probably leave the Premium tier as I’m going to struggle to clear what I want to in Extra.

Lets not all compare to GamePass. With new PS Plus you know exactly what you’re getting and how much it costs. Take the informed decision to upgrade / subscribe or don’t. It really is that simple.

I’m looking forward to mooching around more later. Seems a reasonable opener / start to me so well done Sony!

Playing heavy rain for the first time & it's so much better than the quarry!

@Smithylfc2008 mine showed £17.88 upgrade to extra for just over six months left on essential. I went for it at that price. It was £26 for premium.

So had a proper look throught this now, Extra tier.

Downloaded
GoT
Demon Souls
Guardians of the Galaxy
Empire of Sin (more out of curiosity than anything)
Stellaris (expect I won't get on with this too well as I play it on PC)
Tetris Effect
Terraria

On top of that we have Stray to come and there are about another dozen games that I would like to give a bash.

All the other heavy hitters I own already (Returnal, Miles Morales, Spiderman etc).

Depending on the quality added during refreshes I can see this being quite decent for the money, certainly I'm getting my money's worth as we start the service.

Was gonna get a quarterly next week when my sub runs out but might just fork out for the year and see how it goes

Not bad from Sony though IMO.

@Ryany I've always had both PlayStation and Xbox consoles. I try to make time for both, but this generation the series X has been mostly used for COD and Forza. I hardly ever use gamepass, and the free monthly games are usually a heck of a lot worse than what Sony offer.

@AFCC You do know that the Xbox OG and 360 games that are available now are it. There's no more games going to be added. For me games being available day 1 isn't a big thing. Especially if I have no real interest in playing them. I'll give TMNT a go, but not worried about the sniper game.

@dimi that sounds like an abundance problem. Option paralysis.

There are loads of games to play but that is in essence the problem that you are experiencing.

I went for PS+ extra. Not interested in retro gaming so Premium is out. I was going to do a 3 month sub, but after seeing that works out at £10.67 a month (saving hardly anything) vs a yearly sub which works out at £7 p/m, I went for the yearly sub. First game I’m downloading…Returnal 🙂

@themightyant I'm only comparing on monthly as I don't value either service, so if I subscribed it would only be for the single month. My comparison is the cost of what it is to get every possible game on either service for the cheapest possible monthly cost. For playstation you have to pay for the highest tier to gain access to all games. For me specifically, If I got game pass it would be on PC only so the cost is $10, but if I wanted ultimate it's $15 a month, but there are so many offers for a month for $1 you could also consider that. Either way, I still think game pass is the better option as expected right now, it's had more time to bake in the oven and has way more games I'm more interested in over ps + right now. I played pretty much every ps4 exclusive already and the only things I'm interested in ps+ are a few niche JRPGs that I can pick up dirt cheap on sale. SO yes the $15-$22 comparison is apt, but I've stated in other comments that I don't have value in either service and would rather just buy the ps1 classics. My statement was really only applying to me so...

@GorosBat
Fair enough. I didn’t really look at monthly pricing (or regional differences) as neither really impact me. I can see how some might just get a month here and there though. Not at the bugging maybe, but after a year or so, once they’ve played most of what they might be interested in from the catalogue.

Can anyone tell me whether the games on the top tier will remain in place for the duration you pay for the Tier, or will they drop off after a while just like the now old PS NOW service?

Not really too bothered about the PS1 or PS3 games, just want to be able to play the most recent AAA games at my own pace and not be restricted by a time and day that they will be removed, for example Returnal or Valhalla.

TIA guys

@themightyant You completely skipped my point that I'd only want game pass on PC which is my preference, so the few xbox games that aren't on PC are negligible for me. Is the next thing you say to me that my "preference" is incorrect? Mate, all I did on my first post was state that ps + costed considerably more than game pass for me and I get a slew of people trying to correct me because they don't know how to take in consideration that people live in different countries. I apologise for sounding rude when I say this and this issue comes up for me every time I make a post regarding prices, it's just annoying that I now have to say that I'm from Australia in every single post so I can avoid having insignificant conversations that get absolutely nowhere! Again, I will congratulate on anyone who gets value from any subscription service, these two just aren't for me. Sorry for venting BTW I know you mean well, happy gaming mate😊

@carlos82 I only have 1 year till 2023 January so this is why my price is much less than the others, I'm going to upgrade on payday, for now I have other games to play, like a lot of people have said there are games I already own digitally but there are also some titles that I haven't played yet like ghost of tushima, spider man miles Morales, demon souls, and walk simulator directors cut LOL, thats already couple of hours playtime each with those games so paying 20 for the rest of the 210 days I have left, seems fair for the amount of games available to me that I haven't yet started, I can decide after if I want to continue the service next year, hopefully there will be more games choices for extra users

Only downside to that it just adds more games to my backlog 😂😂 but at least I will be busy for a while lol

@huyi £28 for me and even though I own/played many of the bigger games there's still the likes of Stray launching next month on it which covers the cost alone. Plus as I've just got into using a wheel there's plenty or racing games to have fun with amd I've been curious about Returnal and Concrete Genie so it's an easy choice

@carlos82 yes it seems the case

@carlos82 I had a eye on those racing games but I'm unsure If you can download them, it just says streaming, internet connection isn't great for streaming 😒

@huyi anything for PS4/5 should be able to download

@Nexozi it's not a particular game that I'm talking about. If you have 2 or 3 day one releases every 2 weeks, the value is immense and you'll sure have a little bit of everything for everyone!

I just upgraded to extra as its just under £15 for the next 160 days i have remaining then i'll decide if i'll stick with it or just go back to my original ps plus...downloading returnal and wrc 10..

Hi Guys
My PS5 has developed a boot loop issue since the ps+ upgrade. Now takes 2-3 minutes to get to the Home Screen. Only safe way to leave the machine is in rest mode.
Any other users having issues?
Thanks

How are the stream games performing, particularly if based in UK/Europe?

Streaming was awful on previous ps+ sub, and I have a solid 1GB fibre connection, connected to router via ethernet cable...

I decided to pay like the extra £23 for my remaining subscription to be upgraded to PS Plus Premium, purchase definitely went through okay, all signs point to that.

But yet, my PS5 hasn't changed from the original PS plus menu to the new Premium layout, so I can't access any of the games.

Is anyone else experiencing this or have a fix for it?

@Wiggo there's no guarantee that the games will remain available for the duration of your tier subscription. Although if you check under any game it say a date. RDR2 and NBA2k will be gone after summer but most 1st party games are here to stay

@dimi many thanks