The new PS5 DualSense Edge controller looks to very much be the premium, professional gadget Sony has pitched it as according to Hands On impressions posted today by The Verge. The outlet shares praise for the pad's programmability and button customizability, but there is one drawback: the DualSense Edge controller has a shorter battery life.
Sony shared the following statement on the topic of battery life: "The DualSense Edge wireless controller’s operating time is moderately shorter than the original DualSense wireless controller because we’ve included many more features within the same form factor and ergonomic design as the original DualSense controller. We wanted to strike a good balance between wireless operating time and delivering robust, high-performance features."
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Elsewhere, The Verge was given two hours to play about with the PS5 pro controller, which revealed how the triggers and touchpad are now grippier thanks to all those tiny PlayStation symbols on the surface, while the inside grips are now made of rubber instead of plastic.
The buttons themselves then all appear to look and react the same to touch, although The Verge notes "the sound of pressing a button was slightly deadened. Perhaps they’re more precise, but I couldn’t tell in my demos." The thumbsticks are said to be easier to swap in and out, and you can switch between controller profiles by holding down the two new Function buttons underneath the sticks.
"You can have three custom profiles saved to the controller at a time, plus the default PlayStation controls, each mapped to one of the controller’s Cross-Square-Triangle-Circle face buttons for easy access," The Verge says. "There’s even a simple LED pattern beneath the touchpad to help you know which profile you’re on, though its simple 1-4 dot readout probably isn’t a good enough memory aid for me."
The PS5 DualSense edge controller costs £209.99/$199.99, and launches on 26th January 2023. Pre-orders are being taken now on the official PlayStation Direct website. Will you be buying one? Let us know in the comments below.
[source theverge.com]
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It sounds really good, but that battery line isn't going to go down well considering the price. For me, I'm interested in it, but I'm not sure I'm interested enough for the price.
Anyone else when controllers didn’t have so many needless gimmicks attached to them? Rumble Is the only one that seams to have lasted, everything else has either been forgotten or greatly diminished. Just make a comfortable controller that’s fun to use, that’s all we need.
I'll stick with the still overpriced $70 regular PS5 controller that's still the "real deal".
Yes... even $70 is overpriced IMO. I get technology improvements but when I've watched controllers go from $25 to modern costs in 20 years, it's a bit ridiculous.
@Jireland92 Personally, I really love all the DualSense's features, and I think the true acid test of whether or not they were a success is whether other platform holders will copy them. (And they will.)
The rumble is a bit insane and seems easy to break on the dual sense. Pretty sure something broke inside while playing Witcher PS5. There's an unnecessary amount of rumble when you sell stuff in that game.
On a somewhat unrelated note, is there a reason playstation still uses the extremely vague 3 bars to determine battery life? I understand it's difficult to be so precise as an actual percentage at times but it's frustrating not having a general idea. There's times I fall down to 2 bars after like 5 minutes, and sometimes I still have 3 bars after an hour or playing. With cellphones (and even the switch) we are kind of programmed now to see a percentage (whether it's accurate or not).
$200 for a controller? I'm afraid to even play with it at that price point.
Not interested due to price but an even weaker battery life is simply unacceptable for a $200 controller. The Dualsense already isn't good.
How big is the DS Edge's battery?
I ended up replacing the default DualSense 1,560 mAh battery with a 2600mAh one from Amazon. Which lasts about another 66% longer.
How much!?!?! Wow.
I think you'd have to make a mint to consider this, looks cool though.
The real deal wouldn't have terrible battery life, imo
@get2sammyb I like SOME of the DualSense's features, they are hit and miss. Subjectively:
Are there any really good uses with the last three or are they mostly gimmicks?
EDIT: Hopefully the top 3 are copied by other platform holders. More likely developers will embrace them.
But I am glad they are trying things and that the tech is in there IF developers want to use it.
Oh! I forgot. Battery life sucks ***
@themightyant the trackpad annoys me because of how often I miss one of the little buttons either side and jab one corner of the trackpad. I wish it was just 20% smaller
For the price the battery should have been better.
They couldn't improve the battery even a little bit so that it could at least match the current Dualsense!? Personally I wouldn't even pay $70 for this, I would rather buy one of the new color variants of the Dualsense.
I just want those back buttons. Sony really set us up for disappointment with the transition from $30 PS4 attachment to $200 only-on-the-overpriced-underpowered-Pro Controller.
Boooo, Sony!! I boo you!
I had an original Xbox One Pro controller and it was the biggest pile of **** I ever owned. The shoulder bumper broke after a couple of months and the rubber grips began to stretch and peel with only moderate use. The replacement also broke on the same button after a couple of weeks. It soured me on every buying anything similar again.
I love the idea of a pro-style controller, and I've always wanted one, but with PSVR2 right around the corner, I'd rather save my dollars and put them toward something truly ground breaking like that.
Pre-ordered the PSVR2, I’m willing to spend money Sony, but this is pointless. £200 for the back buttons basically. Just release another attachment like last time and I might consider getting that. Maybe.
You can literally get a whole Xbox Series S which comes with a controller cheaper than this DS Edge.
Back buttons should have been in place of the useslessly nonsensical trigger effect, but no, Sony won’t even let us reprogram the touchpad. Plus remember the drifty sticks? Their greed and arrogance are unpalatable.
I already feel like I go through 2 DualSense charges a day, so to get a consistent experience I would need 2 of those controllers, which even I am not stupid enough to shell out for xD
On a side note: Do any of you feel the same about the low battery notice on PS5? I feel like the notice pops up way too soon. I can get in a solid 3 hours after the PS5 tells me that my controller is getting empty -.-'
We can't really see if it looks premium. Have to cop a feel
@Jireland92 "NEEDLESS GIMMICK?" please enlighten us with bottomless brilliance.
@Ear_wiG yh same,,i want the underside levels attachment or a,pad with it included,,but,at roughly near same price as the regular pad, 20$, more max.
Useful for shifting in bike games.
Battery on ds4 was already short lived, and slow to charge. Seems only getting worse.
I love DualSense and find it to be a great innovation on PS5. Said so on day one, and still believe it. Even a mediocre use of its features is making immersion that much better and incomparable to the competition (Switch has its own immersion features, so I would call that battle tied).
However, Edge controller is too expensive for me. I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks the controller should not cost half of the premium console (with a basic controller included). WTF Sony?
I really don’t like using this controller compared to the ds4. I feel it’s slightly bigger than it needs to be because it’s causing all sorts of hell with my thumbs resting and the fingers stretching for the R2 and L2 buttons. The hard edges on the grips really don’t help and I feel this controller has not had ergonomics at the forefront of its inception. If anyone can suggest a case I can get that will make it comfortably softer to grip I’ll be in your debt.
Damn knowing that other playstation controllers have bad battery life I will be saving my money then, thank you for the insight pushsquare.
Rumble is generally the first thing I turn off on a new system. Would be thrilled with a DS5 that didn't have all that.
@BusyOlf - with you on this, I especially don't like how the touch pad angle was extended, from the rectangle on the DS4. I had multiple issues at first with my thumb floating off the square/triangle buttons and accidentally hitting the touch pad. I've since gotten more acclimated, but the DS4 is still my favorite controller.
Hard pass. I bought an Elite 2 with series x bundle and I actually kinda like it. The main thing I like tho is the battery life. And it does feel great ergonomically. I only have to charge it once per month.
The battery life on the standard controller is already low so that doesn't sound good.
The current DualSense is basically a wired controller fer me. The thing doesn’t have a full day’s worth of charge (even when I wasn’t actively playing games with it), and I got sick of having to plug it in part ways through the day, so I bought a long USB cable and just leave it plugged in.
$270 CAD for a controller with LESS battery life? Absolutely ridiculous.
I mean, if I’m being honest, I wouldn’t have bought it anyways, because the only feature I’d use on it is the back paddles, and that already wasn’t worth an extra $180. But the one other thing I’d want the controller for actually being worse? Get real.
My only hope of getting one of these now is the Edge not selling well and Sony having to lower the price significantly to move some stock. This news might bring that situation closer to reality.
For as much as i love PS and Sony first party games. I have hated about every controller they ever made. They are just not comfy to me, dislike the stick placement, triggers are to long of a pull, used to have loads of dead zone for shooters, tho PS5 fixed some of that. Awful battery life and a trackpad that takes up loads of space for very little usage. I own a Xbox for all shooters and 3rd party games cause i like the controller so much. Hell the controller is about all i like about the xbox honestly come to think of it. If i could use an Xbox Controller on PS4 and PS5 i would sell my Series X possibly. This controller is a hard pass for me, nothing is perfect, but PS brand is so close that it upsets me it’s the controller that is the missing piece for me.
I know a lower battery life is going to deter a lot of customers.
Which I don't blame them since the regular Dualsense doesn't exactly have the greatest battery life out there.
Oof. The battery life on the standard Dual Sense is pretty atrocious already.
Is there a console bundled in with the controller, £209 and a weaker battery, ur havn a laugh.
Hearing that the battery life is worse than a standard Dualsense controller is a shame. It's not a dealbreaker to me, though. I bought an Elite Series 2 controller to go with my Series X, and it's hard to go back to a standard Xbox controller. I need my back buttons! Now, just release a back button attachment for regular Dualsense controllers, Sony!
@Jireland92 I would also add reliable. The controllers are designed to fail
I’d like to see a comparison to the SCUF equivalent, particularly battery life, before making a decision on this. Prices are comparable, SCUF gets additional paddles etc.
My dualsence only lasts about 5-6 hours at most when playing ps5 games. The poor battery life and the resistance triggers are the only 2 things I do not like on it. The rumble is great. I find it more comfortable than the ds4 that's for sure
I can see this battery thing being annoying for some.
As someone who doesn’t usually get more than a few hours a day to play, it wouldn’t really impact me.
And “pro” gamers would always play wired anyway.
Still, for the price, I would certainly expect better battery life.
Not for me now:
Lower battery life
No thumb stick tension changing, say like the Xbox elite controller for example that has three different thumb stick tension ranges you can adjust to.
Was surprised Sony left that out.
But then again Sony as a business do a love a bit of less for more cost.
Way to expensive for a controller, whether battery life is gd or not ,its the price for me that means I wouldn't even consider until it drops considerably im perfectly happy with the fantastic dualsense
Quoting a friend of mine "pro controllers always have subpar batteries", dude always uses his controllers with the cable on.
I bought a kit on Amazon that adds two paddles to the controller for like 40$. Works perfectly.
I just wish collectivemind made their attachments for the dualsense because the one for the xbox controllers and the dualshock 4 are great.
This is one of the reasons I played the ps4 version of Elden Ring on my ps5. If Sony allowed DS4 on PS5 games I’d never use the dualsense just to be able to have back buttons
Battery life cannot be shorter, unless there is no battery...
All of my 4 DSs die in about 6-8 hours in idle mode. I've counted it once, 5 stick moves and 8 clicks. If you try to play something than its life is about 4 hours. I almost forgot how it is to play wirelessly...
The battery on the standard dualsense ia pretty crap lol doesn't bother me though cause I can just use it while it's plugged in 🤷♂️
I just want them to release a back button attachment again, that was perfect for the DS4. If they didn't make the DS4 incompatible with PS5 games I'd still be using it even though the dualsense is nicer.
Was a pre-order for me as soon as announced. If its anything like the Xbox elite series 2 controller it'll be well worth the money.
Battery life is pretty poor on the standard controllers. So mostly play with them plugged in anyway. So no real loss.
@OScube Are u talking about the adaptive triggers? They're great though, one of the main reasons I sold my series X. Without the controller changes they're pretty much the same.
@Jireland92 The back buttons are around to stay and they're only a recent addition.
Sony just give us the backpads please
Back when they tried the Scuf pro controllers for PS4 I was really tempted, but this one still doesn't let you choose an offset stick orientation, DS5 feels "ok" enough, and it doesn't really add enough to the fit & finish to make me want it at the price. I do already have the XB Elite 2 controller and like it, and the feel is super premium, but these don't look like they feel much different from the stock controller. Seems a bit much money to ask for what it's really offering if you're not in that "pro gamer" niche, but if you are, you probably want it wired anyway. I think, for the money, they could have done more with this vs what it appears (without touching it) to be. I think $150 would maybe make more sense given the $70 normal price tag. At $120 on sale I'd consider biting. The battery though.....it should be an upgrade, not a downgrade, even at $100....
@theheadofabroom @themightyant The one and only positive use of the touch pad is FFXIV.
@OScube My controller still works like a charm and it's my favorite from all the controllers no issues with me.
@Nexozi compare that to standardized back button in standard controllers instead of having to pay more for this ridiculous peripheral
@themightyant Is replacing the battery a fairly easy job?
@OScube what are you talking about?
@themightyant "Adaptive triggers not good" are you kidding man 🤣. Surely you've tried Astrobot, I thought the implementation was brilliant.
I like the storage of 3 custom button settings, but couldn't that be done with the console? My PS4 can store 1 custom setting, why not 3 or more?
Short battery life? Wow does the DS3 really have that long of battery life? Yes, yes it does.
I would prefer a narrower touch pad and larger share and option buttons. Would be nice to hear claims that the sticks won't drift.
Yes for a $100 delux DS5 with back buttons, driftfree sticks, narrower touch pad, and sticks that can easily be replaced. No for this $200 controller.
Longer battery life? Short battery life = more chargers and second controllers sold is my conspiracy theory.
Because then the battery ran out?
Seriously though, for $200 I'd expect like 20 hours of battery. Sometimes I plug my controller in during cutscenes for a top up, would be nice not to have to do things like that when you've been playing for a while.
@McBurn I'm pretty sure it was some recent update that made it pop sooner. I never saw a low battery notification for the first year on PS5, but now see it pop up during same length as always game sessions. It's like it pops when it hits 1 bar or something, not even flashing one bar indicating low battery.
@get2sammyb isn’t haptic feedback just an evolved version of hd rumble on Switch?
£209.99 lol, that's all I'm gonna say.
Was gonna say but decided to add the million other things I could do with 210 basically.
@Jireland92 It is, but it's obviously vastly superior.
That's pretty bad. One of the perks of a controller like this should be a better battery. The Xbox Elite controllers have fantastic battery life from what has been said about them (I've never bought one), so the DualSense Edge shouldn't be going in reverse. This makes the ridiculous price even worse.
Still not worth the hefty price tag to me, but cool that it has all these features.
Worse battery life is laughable for a "Pro" controller. No thx
Sony really goes out of their way to blue-ball their customers , you hear one positive thing about them and 2 negatives smh
idk what everyone is talking about. the batteries are fine on both dual shock and dual sense controllers. on my days off i can game all day from waking u around 8am ish and game until 11pm or midnight at night and never charge my controller. then i plug it in when i go to bed and its charged the next day. but ppl saying they only get 3 hours of gameplay before there battery is dead are trolling.
bad battery and pricey? forget it. Sony is a company that is out of touch with reality and i'm glad we have sites like push square to help us make correct choices.
@Green-Bandit im the complete opposite of you. your thumbs are supposed to go where the ps controllers are not xbox, plus the xbox controller was always more clunky, as well has having to still use double AA batteries in 2022. laughable. ps5 controller is the best one yet i love all the features, especially haptic feedback and the triggers when using the bows and stuff awesome. but to each there own.
@SerJosh97 I trust Pushsquare. these guys know what they are talking about. battery sucks and the price sucks. what is there to like about this controller?
@SerJosh97 i agree with you to each their own. Controllers are subjective. what’s laughable in 2022 is a built in battery that last 5 hours. My rechargeable AA batteries in my xbox controller last 30, and charge quicker than the PS controller. Off set sticks are the industry standard. Again i love my PS5, but Six Axis controller on PS3 was TRASH!!! Worst controller ever for shooters, so i picked up a 360 and to this day i buy a xbox for its controllers. DS4 wasn’t bad but the light on it was stupid and made that built in battery you think that is so cool last one play through. DS is ok Also but COD sucks on that controller, the sticks are slippery and your thumbs crash into each other and the reach to the triggers is a hand cramp waiting to happen. Again GOWR and Last of us blow MS first party out of the water but PS controllers are trash for competitive gaming. MKB and Xbox controllers rule the shooter market, which is my most played day to day genre.
@doowoobieguy that's good for you, i however never trust anyone but my own opinion on anything. movies, games, food whatever it is. and i was talking about the ps4 and ps5 controllers. i dont have the new pro controller so cant say on that one. but these batteries do last unlike all these comments say. im a trophy hunter and hardcore gamer, i play for double digit hours on my days off sand they dont die on me and i dont turn the features off. so these commentors must be trolling.
@Green-Bandit i dont understand that, my ps controllers last all day long i dont have issues with them, but my series s white xbox controller died so quick and its a wired controller basically cuz it keep dying even with fresh batteries in it, now my xbox is collecting dust as i get all my exclusives on ps plus 3rd party games, and gamepass ive done played xbox exclusives and not much else besides a few good indies but thats beside the point lol i dont understand how my ps controllers can last double digit hours at a time but not for anyone else??
@SerJosh97 that is strange, i mean i am lucky to 6 hours on a full charge of DS, my xbox which i play more gets 30-35 on AA rechargeable. Xbox will have a ton of exclusives coming up so i wouldn’t sell it incase you want to play a few. I am the same with my PS5 i would never sell it even tho i only use it for Sony first party games, same with my Switch which uses off set sticks. But yeah you got me stumped with your controllers, i would say take it i mean thats good if you are getting good battery life on it. As i am sure you see everyone complain about the battery life of theirs.
This is the way it is now ! I'm 40 years old been gaming since the atari 2600 and the comadore 64. Through the years and my generation fought back if something wasent worth of the cost we dident buy it and then Big business when back to the drawing board to make it better to get our money. This day and time people have all the info for what their buying and still buy it regardless of. Yes I'm a playstation fan but I'm no fool I'm not paying $200 for somthing that has a downgraded battery life no matter how many playstation and Sony logos are splattered on it.
$200 for shorter battery life? No thanks. The only problem I have with dualshock 4 & dualsense are their battery life, I wish sony will adress this first before adding more features to their controller.
@Discol76 Astrobot is amazing but the trigger usage? No. It basically feels like something is broken inside your controller and there is a point you have to force past. It’s not immersive, it’s clunky, it takes me out of the game and makes me think about the controller, the complete opposite of what it should do. It’s a gimmick IMO. But room for different opinions.
I've been a defender of PS controller since the day the PS1 launched. The original non-analogue PS1 controller, Dualshocks 1 & 2, even the DS3 is great despite the shoddy build quality and how easily breakable it is. I even love the DS4, despite its pitiful battery.
That said, after near 2 years of use, I cannot defend the Dualsense. The touchpad is all but useless as anything other than a giant button. Both the rumble and haptics are super neat in theory, but wear out their welcome incredibly quick, and I ended up turning both off after a few days. The battery life, even with all the extra features off and the lights set to dim, is absolutely pathetic.
To add injury to insult, and I recognize this is entirely subjective, I hate the form factor. I can chalk that up partly to the size of my hands, but it's also just not particularly well designed. The curve of the grips is such that it twists my wrists into such a position that strains them on prolonged use (none of the modern Xbox controllers, the Switch Pro controller, or any of the previous PS controllers did this) and the large, exposed seams between layers of plastic dig into my skin after a few hours.
Now they want $200 for a version of that same controller with a worse battery life? I'm a PS devotee, always have and always will be, but they are so far up their own a** this generation (really since Jim Ryan took over) that I am loathe to support them...good thing they have the quality 1st party titles to keep folks like me around.
@Saucymonk pretty easy IMO, but then I’m used to disassembling tech. Perhaps a little scary first time if you aren’t. Just look up a YouTube video.
Have to pop out the black bit with a pry tool. pop out two triggers. Undo 4 screws. Pry open the two halves of the controller and replace the battery. Then reverse.
Probably the hardest thing is
1) if you aren’t used to prying open tech it can be a little daunting like you will break it. You won’t. Just make sure to use plastic pry tools not metal or you will dent the controller plastic.
2) getting the battery connector off can be a little fiddly. Found it easier to remove one more screw to get the battery holder plastic off and get in there with fingernails.
Took me less that 5 mins
@themightyant Yip just about to say each to there own. Wish more developers would integrate it better instead of just tacking it on as an afterthought.
@get2sammyb I tend to agree with @themightyant in that most of the 'features' are not that great or worth copying. Haptic feedback is just an evolution of the rumble. The XB1 added rumble triggers for more haptic feedback and then the Switch took it to the next level and now Sony have incorporated a high level Haptic feedback solution to the DS5. It wouldn't be 'copying' though as Sony are essentially copying others.
Adaptive Triggers get very tedious very quickly for me so I am not bothered if NO-ONE copies this. The Xbox Elite has had the option to adjust the Trigger pull and fully customise the controller, including the tension on Thumbsticks etc so again Sony have 'copied'.
Microphone and Speaker are not great either - the speaker is terrible quality, really tinny and dislike having a 'mic' on my controller. Never liked Gyro controls and considering Sony have included it since the DS3, it really hasn't taken off or worth copying. The touchpad is most often used as a 'button'. It really isn't 'easy' to use as a trackpad in games either.
I hated aspects of games like Infamous 2nd Son that made you try and use the clunky gyroscopic controls to 'mimic' spray painting, hated aspects of Astro (PS5) - blowing into mics, having to use the gyro etc - stopped me ever bothering to finish. If I can turn off Gyro, Mic, Speaker, Adaptive Triggers and even tone down some of the 'Haptics', I do because these are often more irritating and/or distracting to me. I also don't need a massive button across the top of the controller either...
That being said, I also believe its better to have and not need/use than to need/want but not have. I don't think any of those 'features' actually improve the controller or make a big difference in games. I don't want to be 'fighting' the tension on a trigger for 'hours' of playing - especially if most of that time is spent in battles I want/need something that will do the job as easily and as comfortably as possible to enjoy the game.
I can see the Haptics being improved on Xbox - whether you'd call that 'copying' Sony (or Nintendo who first demonstrated haptic feedback beyond 'just' rumble) or just evolving their own more basic Haptics to 'catch up' to others, maybe even the Adaptive triggers, but Gyro, Mic/speaker and touchpad, I don't know but we will see.
Sony just got it right with the DS4.
Going back to the DS3 seems cramped and not ergonomic and the DS5 just seems bulky and heavy.
@BAMozzy You've slightly misrepresented my post. While a few features aren't great, I actually said many are and I wished more platforms had them. If these features were on XBox and PC too then FAR more developers would have the incentive to take the time and learn how to get the best out of them.
As for individual features:
I do think haptics is a massive upgrade that currently it's not used well enough in most games. With more incentive we'd get more great implementations like Ratchet, GT7 or Astro Bot.
Gyroscope is a game changer and it's probably the biggest missing feature on my Xbox pad. Once you get used to gyro-assisted aiming, it's a leap at first, you realise how imprecise the analogue stick alone is. Gyro isn't a replacement for analogue btw, but using analogue for the big movements and gyro for fine tuning together is the closest thing to mouse-like precision on a console controller. It rocks!
Personally I love the mic. Makes searching for anything, games, store etc. or typing MUCH easier. But I get some don't like it, should always be disabled by default. Personally would just like a hold to speak button that does the search when you let go like Amazon Fire TV, or Sky.
Speaker is usually not great, agree it's tinny, but occasionally it really works when used well. Again if more consoles has it, and developers had incentive to learn to use it well... at the moment it's a bit of an afterthought.
Agree that touch pad & adaptive triggers they are basically gimmicks right now. But i'm sure there are some useful implementations.
Though I actually thought of one good use case after my post above. Returnal has two forms of fire on the main triggers depending how far you push it in, with a light stop in the middle to stop you doing it accidentally. This effectively adds two extra buttons to the controller without having to move your fingers. Clever.
@Americansamurai1 I agree. They would probably have to redesign it to fit a larger battery. They kept the same footprint as the duel sense controller. I wish they made a fat version of each controller with added battery life. I just have two I swap out every other play session. This new controller is to expensive to keep 2 on hand.
Love the features but price is meh. Battery performance isn't a big concern i don't game for more than 2 to 3 hours at a time, to each their own though
@captainsandman very true
Want good battery life? Get a PS3! I got one a few months ago (because I don't like streaming them) and forgot how long the battery lasted on those controllers!
This controller is targeted toward a specific group of gamers, and I'm comfortable admitting I'm not part of that group. I'm perfectly happy with the standard DualSense.
The Switch Pro controller is the best of all 3 consoles IMO. Amazing battery life. Gyro. Incredibly comfortable.
@__jamiie
I concur. My Pro Controller is two years old with hundreds of hours on it and it still lasts over 35 hours easy. When it was new it was cracking 50 hours.
The battery life is just insane on the Pro Controller.
I have two controllers and swap one when the battery dies I'm too busy looking at the action to look down at the control. They do the same thing right?
How could they possibly make it worse?
@themightyant Cheers for your reply. I will give it a go when I need to.
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