PS5 Remote Play Handheld Purportedly Pegged for November

Not sure if they are spreading their wings in the right direction with this or not.
I mean it must cost a small fortune to get all this up and running etc.
sounds a bit PSVR2 niche to me.

They are missing a huge opportunity with this by not including cloud streaming of the playstation plus Extra/Premium games like the PC app allows you to.

I can see why Sony are making a dedicated handheld for streaming though as just using the app on a mobile phone is a bad experience, I've learnt that with gamepass, touch screen controls on a phone are absolutely awful, then as soon as you connect a controller via Bluetooth there's noticeable input lag and then if you connect headphones there's audio delay. Streaming games to mobile so far doesn't work and/or isn't enjoyable unless you're using a dedicated handheld accessory like the backbone one etc.

Backbone one alone cost like 100$, i don't see this cost less than 250$

I must say that 8 inch screen seem about right, games looks too small on my -non XL- iPhone

@dimi Backbone one is just a controller attachment, it doesn't have WiFi or a screen. You still need to use your phone.

150$? Lol pushsquare staff setting the concen already for the whiny articles

@Mikey856 So no UI or nothing, just turn it on and it connects to the ps5? If so then it's a missed opportunity to get new playstation players without them needing to actually have a playstation 5.

This might get an announcement at Summer Game Fest. They announced the Edge there, too. Or as a sidenote in the rumored showcase.

Sounding more and more like DOA PS Vita TV. (I think that’s what it was called, I own 1 so I should know but I never used it so…🤷🏻‍♂️)

If they are simply making a Wii U Gamepad type device dependent on first owning a PS5 to get a signal that seems extremely stupid. Needs to be a fully functioning tablet that can stream games from the cloud, otherwise just make a PS app for Steamdeck.

But it’s probably a one trick pony Vita TV b/c companies are stupid.😝

If real, this is probably aimed at Japan in time for FFVII Rebirth (perhaps a launch title for this device).

If it includes cloud gaming aswell as remote play, supports geforce now/xcloud and is a reasonable price I will be there day 1. Genuinely interested. Have been thinking of getting a Gcloud for a little while as my wife and kids all game, and time on the OLED can occasionally be difficult

If it’s more reliable than the current remote play app then sure, but I doubt it will be. Ideally it would let me play with data though. Playing on the commute is the biggest user case for me.

This is so dumb, it 100% won't launch in Australia, we still don't have ps now 😂

If it's not incredibly overpriced, looks nice and functions well, I may be tempted to dip on this! I do quite like playing games in bed on a lazy day, so actually being able to play my ps5 without moving room sounds good to me!

I might get this actually, i wish they would do a LCD model for like $150-200, and a oled model for more of course, but i would opt for the nicer screen and happily pay for it. Overall could be cool.

This will be such a niche product. So much so that I think Sony should go the Limited Run Games route and only manufacture the same amount that it gets in pre-orders. Otherwise, this thing will be gathering dust on the shelves of retailers and in their warehouse.

I'm interested in this, I like to play my switch portable when I don't feel like being sat at my TV set up. Would be great to do the same with PS5 with this device. When you've had a long day at work it's nice to relax on the bed or sofa and still enjoy some game time.

I wouldn't be surprised if they bring it out as a PS5 streaming handheld to get production started, whilst they improve their cloud offering and then roll out support for cloud streaming directly. By then if production costs can decrease, could be a cheap entry for consumers into the PS ecosystem without needing a PS5.

@rjejr

PlayStation TV had different names in some territories. Confusion justified.

@dimi yep this is what concerns me too, just the edge is $250. Now way this thing is under $200 which is cost prohibitive in my book.

Probably targeting the Japanese market

@get2sammyb Because that's a feature everybody uses 🤣

Although I’m intrigued by the idea, I think this will flop. Sony sells a pro controller for practically $200, there is zero chance they would sell this device for anything under $300, and that would be too high of a price for this to be viable.

@Dezzy70 @get2sammyb The problem with this is while there is definitely a small market for it, and I'm definitely that market, it's a market that already has numerous players from the phone adapters (Kishi/Backbone), iPads and laptops in general, to the more elaborate setups like Logitech G-Cloud that's hurt only by its price, to the Steam Deck to the Retroid Pocket and Anbernac devices, it seems like most people interested in cloud and RP functionality already have tons of choices. And unlike what we can assume this is as a platform-locked devices, those will work with ANY cloud service or console. I'd think most of the cloud market is savvy enough to not be single platform.

I just got the Retroid...it's a bit cramped, but I love it for what it is, and I can RP PS, XB, GP cloud, Steam Link, GF Now, Luna, or any of the fringe services, let alone all the questionably legal emulation stuff. Might get the Logitech for a big "SWOLED" sized device, or maybe just an iPad for a big screen and a normal controller. I don't think the cloud gamer is into platform lock-in, that's kind of the point. Who would buy a platform-locked device unless it's really not platform locked, and is a PS branded cloud gaming device, but I can't imagine Sony selling a device to make Game Pass easier to play...

The only thing I could imagine it has a value for other than a die-hard PS-only player that doesn't want any other options and NEEDS haptic triggers on their remote play, is because they have weirdly locked their cloud streaming (that doesn't stream PS5?!) to PC-only, which makes no sense, maybe this will be the one and only way to make it portable with a custom client (that absolutely won't be reverse engineered and on Android in under 24 hours), that lets you stream their cloud games only on the dedicated device but....that sounds like the most bass ackward cloud service I could think of on a "tell me you don't know how to do subscription services without telling me you don't know how to do subscription services" sort of level.

@Dezzy70 A worse niche than VR2. The cloud/remote play market is much bigger than the VR market, but it also has tons of competition including every Android, Apple, and PC device in existence, where VR2's niche is vying for a niche filled only by mobile-graphics level Meta devices and PC VR that costs 4x more on either side so it has its slice of the market to itself, small as it is. At least "blue oceans" at high premiums are Sony's traditional strength (their camera and audio niches specifically), this thing is going straight into a red ocean with Captain Cook sailing the high seas with it.

@NEStalgia

more elaborate setups like Logitech G-Cloud that's hurt only by its price

Its limited time only, but at Logitech's site, they have the thing on sale for $300, and in addition have a spring sale, with a coupon (that they will show you on the store), that lowers the price further to $250. I thought at that price it looked interesting, since it also can run basically any Android game and tons of Emulators up to PS2|GameCube generations very well, so I decided to buy myself one.

Knowing current Fony, this will cost about £200 and it's a device no-one wanted bar the biggest Sony fanboys and girls.

Everyone with a PS4 or 5 would love a new companion device but it needs to be one you take with you to places where there is no superfast broadband - essentially a stand-alone handheld.

Remote play is fine I guess but bro it's 2023 and we still have to stream PS3 games on the Plus service. Sony should 100% be ashamed of this...it's just not good enough.
The classics list is growing at a snail pace and still no fix for Ape Escape 2 on PS5. What a joke

@BeerIsAwesome I have two posts that talk about prices so not sure which one you are refering to, so apologies for covering my bases:

A $300 device by Sony that only does remote play would be a total disaster, in fact, even at $200, if all it does is remote play without having a full Android OS, it would be a disaster.

As for the Logitech G Cloud, I personally find that $250 is a good price point, especially given it has much better build quality than most android handhelds, its quite bigger, and it has full Android, so despite its name its capable of running emulators and games from the Play store. Their sticker price of $350 is ridiculous, though, since its $50 short of a Steam Deck, a way more capable piece of hardware.

@Tharsman WHOA, seriously at that price I'm buying it today!! Been eyeing it for the next month or two at $300 (I think it's 300 most of the time at retail) but, yeah, that price? Hopefully the coupon thingy works.

@Mikey856 "That seems odd"

Well if it's a "streaming" device as you say, meaning streaming PS+ cloud content plus social media plus the web plus streaming video services then that's great and people may buy it, even outside of Japan. But what a lot of people seem to think it is is basically a "remote play" portable screen for the PS5 that does nothing but stream your PS5 TV screen to your hand, in which case it's probably not worth the price of ownership for most people as it won't do enough to justify the cost.

And we don't really know b/c it's all just rumours at this point. 🤷‍♂️

@Tharsman Weird sale, I just saw it, and it's "Minimum 2 items per order"....What did you add to your cart to make up the difference?

And don't say the $1000 GT racing wheel which is calling out to me to go with VR2 lol

For $150 or less I would absolutely bite. I play my OLED Switch most these days (sorry Playstation), but only because I can play on my coach with the family during TV time. If this designated devise makes a game like Wo Long more playable with Remote Play (i.e., less lag, legit controllers), I’m sold.

@Vacuumator "PlayStation TV had different names in some territories"

I thought the US and Japan names were different, I think 1 was PS Vita TV and 1 was PS TV w/o the Vita, I can just never remember which was which.🤷‍♂️ Suppose I could go look at the box. 😂 OK can't find the box but the device on my floor says Playstation TV, which I always thought was a stupid name b/c I don't think you could watch TV on it, not even PS Vue. 😝

If this device only does remote play, no cloud streaming, hopefully they call it "PS5 Remote Player" so we know how limited of a device it is. You know, if it actually exists, and releases outside of Japan. If it stays in Japan that's 1 less thing for me to be confused about. 😩

@BeerIsAwesome the price point of the Logitech is the weak part. The other problem is the lack of WiFi6 compared to newer phones and tablets (maybe there's a new version coming that will have it.) But what it gives you vs a generic device is a Switch-like form factor (but with nice grips unlike Switch, and near-full-size sticks AFAIK), a 12 hour (TWELVE HOUR) battery life, where most phone rigs seem to eat their own battery even while not playing anything, and while playing they vaporize rapidly, direct controller input (wired) rather than Bluetooth. From experience, BT with cloud isn't great, you need either wired/connected controls, or something like the Xbox controller USB adapter (or Sony equivalent for DS controllers, but they don't seem to sell them anymore even though they list them?) otherwise the input latency feels awful. I mean it works depending on the game, but I strongly prefer wired/dongle vs BT for cloud and RP.

I used to RP on Vita and that was ....well...awful. I tried Game Pass cloud on my phone but, first I tried an 8bitDo "xbox layout" controller with a grip that scratched my phone case and then lost it's rubber footing and couldn't be used. And it all drained battery fast. Then I got a nice sturdy grip for a full size controller, but it was clunky and a pain. Then I got a Kishi 2 which feels really good, but my phone can't fit in it with the case on, and it eats the battery even idle. So then I got a used Note 8 to just leave in it dedicated, same as the Razer Edge (which is just a Kishi 2 + Razer Edge phablet bundle, before they made the bundle), Nice screen but all together too big to be pocketable, too small to feel satisfying, eats its battery even when idle and devours battery while playing (and has weird phone stuff induced stutter at times), and I've seen reviews that the Edge bundle has the same battery issue, it's a Kishi 2 problem, it's constantly pulling USB power. So then I started turning it totally off between uses which then means long bootup times to get into a game. It's "Ok" At least with that setup I could stream PS RP though. Still no Plus cloud though because Plus Cloud doesn't know mobile exists (someone from the Xperia department really needs to call PS and tell them they exist.)

I got the Retroid to be the pocketable "OG 3DS replacement" and it's working now. But....the Logitech seems like the only device around that's actually built around providing a Switch-like experience with PS/XB/Cloud, and at $250 is still cheaper than buying "inferior switch versions" of every game I'd rather have on PS/XB and then buying them twice

Now, why would someone pay probably as much more more for a Sony branded version that does nothing but connect to a PS5 console you already own and doesn't do any of the other stuff even if it has a slightly bigger screen and haptic triggers? I think we can all agree the answer is "absolutely no one" lol

Edit: And given Sony, the biggest battery manufacturer in the world's penchant for putting objectively insufficient batteries in every single controller they have ever made, I imagine the Sony-only RP device will have a battery that makes the Kishi2+ Note 8 runtime look awesome lol

@Tharsman BTW,from what I've read, it's not really the best at emu, it's an ok, but weak Android tablet really designed around the streaming/RP, and the tinier, cheaper Retroid and Anbernic devices are actually better EMU devices (but not ideal for streaming/RP in comparison.)

People compare the $300 or 350 to Steam Deck, but, that's the really weak Steam Deck that's not going to run AAA games well, with minimal slow storage, I'd looked into that, but realized to get a decen't "competes with my consoles for retail purchases" Deck I'd have to buy the $450 one for the decent SSD, couple that with the finnicky process to get RP/Cloud going....I lost interest. Though Deck was on sale for 10 or 15% off last week for the anniversary...ALMOST pulled the trigger, but it was the wrong device for me I think.

@NEStalgia There was no minimum when I ordered, they must have added that requirement yesterday, because Saturday I was able to check out with just the device.

@Tharsman Ugh. Weird. IDK I'll have to find a mouse pad or something.

@BeerIsAwesome I have an android table, and a controller I have synced to it, but it's nowhere near as comfortable to use as just holding my switch on a Satisfye case or the Steamdeck.

@NEStalgia For what its worth I went to the store from a link in Windows Central, not sure if that will do any difference.

Edit: link

Edit 2: looking at the page I don't see any mention of 2 items or more, US website for what its worth.

Edit 3:
on it not being the best at emu, thats fine, I also got a Steamdeck anyways I can do emu at, but its nice still having that option on this device. The main plus is playing many android games that have controller support, hell, even ones that dont but have on-screen control since a recent patch added touch button mapping to the G Cloud.

@Tharsman Hmm, I think they broke the sale. It takes the coupon code, but I added the device and overpriced case and shows $0.00 savings with the applied code. I thought maybe it had to be 2 items from the coupon's page, so I added some random mouse from it....still $0.00 savings with the code. Definitely seems to be a broken sale code right now. but is prominently advertised all over the site. Thanks for the info, though, it would have been a dream.... I'll keep checking I guess.

@BeerIsAwesome BTW, LOL, when the counter-argument is "but their cloud service was briefly supported on their unsupported Vita, their own flagship televisions, and their competitor that's cub-stomping their TV's TVs, but now not any of them" we need to just take a moment of silence....

At a certain point they start making Stadia look good, lol.

@NEStalgia another thing to note: I bought it on my phone, and had to disable any addons that meddle with scripts, login screen would not even show up. Make sure you are not blocking third party scripts.

@Tharsman I don't think I am, though it could be built in. I think you got lucky on this one!

What I'm seeing is that the sale says "minimum 2 items per order" (which is kind of a non-sale if you have to buy something you don't want to save $50 on something you want. If I add the $30 case instead of $14 cases available I'm only really saving $34 but still not bad. )

But it seems like if I add the code on the little right-hand cart bar it says applied but nothing happens. Go to checkout and it shows the code applied but shows $0.00 savings. If I removed the code in checkout and apply again it says "coupon does not apply to one or more products" even if I just add a bunch of mice and headsets from the coupon's own page...

I've never seen a more broken sale, lol. I'll have to mess with browser settings or something later to see if there's scripts altering stuff in there somewhere. But that's messed up (plus it's messed up the changed the sale terms to require 2 items stealthily mid-sale....)

@BeerIsAwesome LOL, it's true!

Hah, I have the actual Game Gear, but unfortunately the screen is busted, it turns on but just has a white line across the center, no display anymore I forget what kind of crazy display they were using back then that ate batteries faster than anything but it was a weird little fun system. And better supported than Vita

@NEStalgia Interesting, I just attempted to go through the full transaction again and it gave me the same error. I guess they didnt expect so many people to buy this particular item and had to removed it from the valid list.

@Tharsman Nah, it's still on the page with the coupon, and I wish tried with just random mice and headsets. I think they sneakily went to make their sale worse and require 2 items and totally broke the sale completely in the process. While advertising it full page on the front page and at the top of every other page.

It's pretty shady changing a sale mid run and in a weird way "50 off orders of 250, must buy 2 items from a list of items 50-1000 in value"

But I'd still do it if it worked.

@NEStalgia yes they definitively added that 2 item requirement either yesterday or this morning.

Hey, if you are in the need for a cheap keyboard, can always throw their MK120 corded keyboard combo for $18

@Tharsman So now if a add a20 headsets the coupon applies but not g cloud. I bet they changed it to not include sale items and now treat the $50 of sale as the same as the coupon. Which is just street price everywhere else.

Massively scummy sale. It's even listed on the coupon page.

You got lucky. Without the coupon id just get it at Amazon. Or wait for a new model in a few months probably. Scummiest sale I've ever seen I think.

If they nail the price point, I'll get one, I can watch Netflix on TV while I game, win win

Unless they fix remote play this is doa. Remote play still looks and plays terrible in the best of conditions. If this is merely another way to play within range of the Ps5, they are going to have another PSVR2 disaster in the making.

@splooshdmg in the line of thinking of the above and Logitech sleazy sale, how is input latency with bt on your iPad and cloud play? And how is xcloud in safari since the native app doesn't do apple? Still kinda like the g cloud but the iPad is bigger and cheaper but also less convenient.

@KundaliniRising333 Remote play works fine, though it works better with the 3rd party Android app Sammy wrote an article about recently than the official app. If it's terrible, it's your network. I've been using it on my old base PS4 since I don't want to put wear and tear on my 5 for that and it's fine. Can't imagine the 5 is worse. Platform locked device is still doa, but remote play is good.

@NEStalgia Yea if it was not for the coupon I would have bought it from Amazon, they have a fantastic return policy had I not liked the thing.

@NEStalgia If I'm remote playing at home, it's basically native. The input lag is so minimal you have to really be looking for latency to notice it. My daughter and I have been playing Sackboy co-op, and I don't have two PS5 controllers. So, I'm connecting remote play and linking up and Xbox controller for her to use, and we just sit and play together on the TV. She's had no issues with response timing or anything. But I'm on 1gbps with a Wifi 6 router. I went in a split my 5ghz frequencys channels into a seperate high and low connection, so I have my PS5 and PC hardwired to the router, and the only device on the high channels is the iPad, so I've basically cut out all channel interference when playing. The iPad is mounted to an arm on my bedside wall, so it fits a very particular purpose, but it's awesome. I told my wife I will never go back to non-1gbps, because the quality of remote play I'm used to now is not a feature I will ever give up.

XCloud on iPad basically sucks imo. I've tried to use it, and the input lag is dreadful.

Pegged is the right word.

If you buy this, it will be £200+ and be not perfect and therefore a total waste of money.

I have really very gigabit broadband and very capable wifi, but the vita was still dodgy doing remote play with the PS5. It was better on the PS4, so hopefully there's way better tech inside to make it work reliably

@SplooshDmg Interesting, because my experience on Windows RP/cloud is that BT latency can be very very obvious. IDK if Apple is doing it differently or what. I honestly don't remember if Android felt more latent, I think it did, but it's too far back in memory.

Now, I haven't done WiFi6 so I don't know how big a difference it makes. The G Cloud doesn't have Wifi6 (and I don't have a wifi6 router, though I have an AC router I use only for streaming/RP.

I really want to like the form factor of the G Cloud, it seems perfect, but it seems like it's $300 minimum, and I could do the ipad9 for like 275 or something. But then I'd need to use it on my lap, so I'd need a stand cover of some sort for it, and I'd have to look down at my lap to play vs just holding the thing. Slightly conflicted and Logitech being cagey with their promo cost them an impulse buy or two

@get2sammyb They also thought that the Vita would make some coins for them. I stress this again: Most PS4 and PS5 games‘ UI and text are unsuitable for a small screen.

@NEStalgia Beats me, honestly. I use that Xbox dongle for my controller on the PC, so I don't use BT on Windows. But BT really isn't giving me any fits with iOS. Genshin with a controller feels just as good as playing on PC or PS5.

There's a pretty huge range of accessories for iPad, largely because they're used for so many different things. There's some pretty cool mounts for them that just have a sort of clamp you lock onto a table. Like this one

https://www.amazon.com/Arkon-TAB086-12-Tablet-Galaxy-Retail/dp/B00BCSYZVY/ref=asc_df_B00BCSYZVY?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79989522876753&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583589114700393&th=1

So, you can just clamp the thing wherever you are playing. There's just tons of options.

iPad 9th gen only supports dual band wifi 5, but we have this fancy Nokia wifi beacon and it rules. The iPad itself usually pulls about 600mbps both down and up. However, I think this Nokia beacon we are using just hosts a particularly good network. It seems like everything just cooperates better now that we switched. Both PS remote and SteamLink apps function nearly flawlessly at 1080p. I hate to say it, but Apple got me on the iPad. It's their crown jewel of a device. I absolutely love mine, and it's not even the fancy one.

@SplooshDmg Oh, so you're not actually using WiFi6 either? I haven't really had issues with having a few central WiFi routers. Can't say I don't get hiccups or the like, but that's mostly outdoors to indoors through aluminum and glass, so it's to be expected. I have just one dedicated streaming router that's separate from the general network. With some massively huge accessory antennae....

How's the battery life streaming on the pad? I used to use a Surface Pro on my lap with it but the battery's good for maybe 3 hours tops if that, if it's on full charge. Back then iPad was far more expensive I think.

Might end up with G Cloud after all, I just love the form factor of controller with screen built in, but, I won't rule out the bigger screen on the pad either. Especially since it's cheaper than the gcloud.

@NEStalgia My Pixel 7 Pro is my only 100% Wifi 6 certified product, but honestly, I don't think the streaming on it is any better than the iPad, but I also think Android apps often get the shaft, and the iOS versions are genuinely more polished a lot of the time. However, I think the general network environment and the fact that I'm never particularly far away from it are all factors helping my cause.

If I had to guess, I'd think I could get at least ten hours out of it just streaming.

I think it's just really different purposes. I'd love to have a gcloud for a proper handheld experience, but with the iPad, my wall mount folds into the wall right next to my pillow. So, I can just lay down and stream Crunchyroll without having to actually hold my tablet and can literally just fall asleep and the thing is stuck to the wall, with no fear of falling to it's death. I use the iPad for both gaming and watching anime, but it's truly the laziest thing I've ever come up with, and I love it.

For me this could be more than you think:

• PS Plus streamer
• Remote play
• A kind of Wii U like controller where the screen could be used to map various shortcuts…especially good for strategy games, or RPG games like Baldurs Gate (old school ones)
• Also could be a second screen for local couch co-op games like Divinity or racing games.

This way existing base is not alienated but people who buy can get value from it and may allow Sony to charge similar price to pro controllers. Yes it will be niche but they would not have to sell it at a loss.

If this is real it needs to be no more than £100 imo if it’s only a streaming device for the PS5.

Doubt it will be though…

@Dodoo logitech streaming device cost like 300$, really doubt Sony that sells a pro controller for near that much will sell us a streaming device with 8 inch screen for 1/3 of Logitech's price

@roe stadia isn't the best thing to compare to if you want something to succeed

A much better idea than PSVR2. 😂
Let's hope they don't go overboard with the price though, or it will be another dud.

A maybe Sony are treading the water with os5 remote play with the intention of adding ps± later

Unlike others I think 150 is a sensibly well thought out target price here, people saying 250…. You are not far off a base Steam deck… the steam deck is a remarkable bit of kit. You’d have that everyday of the week.

@dimi yes you’re likely right mate.

@UltimateOtaku91 5G Huawei network is flying compared to hybrid 4G and in that case it will be bad experience but Huawei was already refused by Europe and North America

@NEStalgia Huawei is way ahead with 5G unison network but it's forbidden in Europe and North America. That internet is flying

@NEStalgia I figured you would find this amusing:

I should had known better, but my g cloud arrived today and the first thing I attempted was to install PlayStation Remote play.

After logging in, it demands I connect a Dual Shock 4 via Bluetooth to work.... like... seriously??? I guess I won't be using this to increase my PS5 game time, at the end of the day, just play even more Xbox and Steam games.

No wonder they are considering selling their dedicated device, they want you owning at least some Sony propietary product if you are to interact with their games, period. This could had easily used the device controls, plus the screen itself as a touch pad.

@Tharsman ROFL, so Sony's app STILL does not support 3rd party controllers on Android?! It's 2023, Sony!

Don't worry, you're still good with your G Cloud and PS, just buy the PSPlay (3rd party app) from the Play Store. It's a better app in every way, and works with your built in controller just fine. I've been using it for years with Xbox, 8BitDo, and Razer controllers, and Sammy wrote about it recently with his Retroid Pocket (which I now also use it with!)

So Sony's official app is still hot garbage on Android, but the third party app is cheap, works better, and works correctly. You're saved!

@NEStalgia I'll check it out, although always wary of anything that might get credentials access, if that is needed for it to work.

Even if its trustworthy now, scummy companies are in a habit of offering a lot of money to smaller companies to acquire them and get their hands on user private info and passwords.

@Tharsman This one's quality, it uses embedded logins, so it actually pops up the real Sony login panel for the credentials, so they never have access to it, it's all through Sony's API.

I'm sure they can get some private info based on what's made available, and technically Sony can kill the product at any time if they change/break their APIs, but this app presumably had to jump through Sony red tape just to have access to use the credentialing API so they're "on Sony's radar" legitimately.

Then again, it's kind of a red herring because only one company has ever actually compromised my personal info and passwords: SONY!

What a total waste of resources. This is going to flop, hard. Literally no one cares about a handheld that can only stream games from a local PS5 or from PS Now.

We'd all kill our grandmother's for a second PS Vita that puts the Switch to shame.

@Tharsman LOL, just to show how authentically secure the PSPlay login is, I was registering my PS5 on my Retroid the other day (only had PS4 on it before, I don't want to use PS5 for streaming, just remote management, don't want the wear and tear on it), and when the Sony login page came up I kept getting server timeouts, and then server errors. The app kindly has a helpful message that takes you to the FAQ that basically politely says it's Sony's fault, just wait for them to fix the servers, people keep reporting this happens and the alternate method doesn't work anymore. You know it's a genuine Sony online product for sure!