
Xbox isn’t exactly lighting up the sales charts at the moment – especially in Europe. It’s been a bit of a washout this year in countries like France and Germany, where Sony has seen PS5 sales explode by up to 143 per cent – while in October the Redmond firm witnessed a year-over-year decline of an extraordinary 52 per cent.
We know that in some countries on the continent, the Japanese giant is closing on 90 per cent market share against its rival – and in Spain, the Xbox Series X|S was even outsold by PS5’s handheld accessory the PS Portal during the week ending 19th November. It’s perhaps worth noting this was the portable’s launch, so it’s unlikely the feat will be repeated again.
But with the streaming system registering sales of 5,700 units, it handily defeated Microsoft’s tally of 2,000 consoles sold. To put things into perspective, during the same week, the PS5 sold 32,000 units and the Nintendo Switch managed 6,000 units. Obviously, the latter is nearing the end of its lifespan, but the former actually enjoyed its best week since launch.
With the release of the PS5 Slim and Marvel’s Spider-Man 2, Sony is really cooking right now, as it looks to aggressively overtake the PS4 install base when launch aligned. Should it achieve its targets, this will be an impressive achievement – especially when you consider the manufacturer has spent the bulk of the generation so far hamstrung by unprecedented stock shortages.
[source gamereactor.es]
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PS you are so clueless, I was told by the super reliable commenters of push square and pure xbox that every single PS5 and PSportal are boight by bots and scalpers. That Sony can't sell a single Console bc they are making GAAS games beside their usually Action games and every director at Sony's studio is leaving due to this.
Update your sources pls. PS5 and Sony are broke and they will be bought by M$ some day.
It’s is starting to turn into a massacre.
PS5 is also starting to seriously corner the UK market in a big way now.
Headline is a bit fanboy like surely? The facts may well be true, but I dunno maybe tone it back a little?
Just going to encourage the usual console wars.
This pleases and amuses me.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner I see it more as good old British banter 😅
Sony will restock the PS Vita in Spain just to see if a 10 year old handheld can outperform Xbox.
The very thing Xbox players claimed is useless is outselling their prized possession.
What's up with all those "Xbox sells poorly" articles lately?
I'm not a fan of fueling those console wars
@Czar_Khastik The PS4 is 10 years old and that still sells more most times 😂
I once heard rumours of someone actually buying an Xbox, but when I assembled a crack team to investigate, it turned out to be just another wild goose chase. Time to go back to hunting yetis or the Loch Ness monster, more chance of a real sighting!
XBOX doesn’t need to sell hardware as Gamepass subscribers is all they focus on. After all, didn’t Phil say PlayStation is part of XBOX family 🤣
@UltimateOtaku91 ouch!!! That’s a good one 🤣
To be fair that isn't how Pure Xbox readers see it. They have just released an article about how its 10 years since the Xbox One days and how they've turned it around.
In defence of Xbox the narrative is that hardware isn't part of their progress but GP sales is. Also they are now bringing in more money with CoD and all things Xbox than Sony.
I guess Push Square / PS fans celebrate more people owning the same console as them, while Pure Xbox readers celebrate the fact one global corporation earned more income than another global corporation.
We do live in strange times....
When you put your own HW at the seond rail and focus more on PC, this happens.
On a serious note, I hope the Portal does really well that it convinces Sony there's a still a market for handheld gaming. I'm not saying they shoukd make a Vita 2 or new handheld with dedicated games, but maybe a steam deck style device that plays digital PS5 games natively, but obviously scaled back to run off the hardware.
These articles are getting pathetic now 🙄 it's like the writing of a 14 year-old fan boy back in the day..
CoNSloE WaR Cz MInEs BetTEr
Shock a console that's actually in stock now and a new cheap release which alot of Scalpers have grabbed outsold the Xbox ...
Desperate for those click I suppose instead of writing any decent articles 🤷😅😅
@StonyKL Yeah that article was strange, the xbox one was a catastrophic failure, but they still span the article to be positive, just like how they only report Japan sales figures when xbox sells more than playstation that week.
@Stickleman I mean, that's not what the article says, though. Here's some official sales data out of Spain. You may not care for the information, or the way it's presented, but I'm afraid it's a fact.
If you're not interested, then that's fine — may I recommend one of the many other articles on the homepage.
@StonyKL I mean celebrating more people owning the same console as you is exactly the same as celebrating a rich multi national faceless corporation that like all company treat customers like a cash cow. We're nothing except money to either company 😅
@get2sammyb I do often flick through the home page on the odd chance there might be something interesting to read but often/more and more.... There isn't.
Which is a shame as used to be one of my favourite gaming sites 🤷
It's also exactly what the article is saying 😅
@OldGamer999 I saw you causing trouble over on pure Xbox the other day trying to claim your not a fan boy 😂
@Stickleman I'm sorry you feel that way, hopefully we have some more articles you enjoy in the near future.
This whole narrative is a total lie created to hide the abject failings of Xbox executive leadership. Gamepass generates less than $1b a quarter which means that over Xbox, PC and Cloud it makes roughly the same revenue as PS+, which is a relatively minor part of PlayStation revenue and focus.
Gamepass growth would only matter if they were hitting 100m+ subscribers like their forecasts were for the end of this generation. Gamepass numbers have stalled though.
@OldGamer999 Massacre indeed, in terms of hardware sales the Series may not even outsell the Xbox One at this rate 😬.
Who cares.
Seriously.
Only a complete loser would get jolly over a headline like this.
Are Sony fanboys really this desperate for validation through useless sales metrics? And I say useless because at the end of the day MS is a boot compared to Sony's ant. These so called sales victories are irrelevant to the bigger picture that most of these fanboys ignore.
@ChrisDeku Don't forget gamepass growth halted, even when being on a device that billions own (mobile), the fact is they need to sell more consoles to increase gamepass numbers, so the narrative they don't care about Hardware sales is utter rubbish.
@iDreamwalker What? nah man, i see a future of xbox going the way of SEGA and becoming a great third party publisher
Very happy for the great sales number for Sony but also worried Xbox is doing so poorly. Competition is good for gamers. Also worried what crazy moves Microsoft will pull to try and take a bigger market share, by that I mean what will they buy and make Xbox/gamepass exclusive.
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The number of Xbox fans that frequent this site is fairly alarming these days…😅
There are no Fanboys here, just some Supportmen.
@Stickleman true, but if portal performs well, it may be supported properly (e.g. streaming) or show Sony there is an audience for handheld devices, so they may make a steam deck like handheld. So, its performance isn't about Sony getting richer.
@Loamy with MS going third party we would get all the exclusives they have purchased, so I'd be all for that. As for pricing, if you've destroyed the competition and you dominate the market, it doesn't follow that people will pay for your products, if they find them too expensive. Sony has stated that they see PC as competition and they're absolutely right. If they charge 200 USD for a game, we will simply either stop gaming, stop buying new games, or play games on PC/switch.
So, I really don't think the market needs someone like MS who throws cash around and makes traditionally multiplatform games exclusive to xbox.
Always make me laugh seeing people moan about Sony "Fanboys" on a Playstation dedicated website 🙃
Please don't add flames to the stupidest war to ever exist.
@UltimateOtaku91 yup. Especially when they then say something that makes them sound like MS/Nintendo/PC fanboys.
@Stickleman lol my point exactly. Why do we celebrate rich (possibly horrible nasty) people getting more of our money than other rich people? It does baffle me. Especially as I reckon 99.99% of people deep down don't really care - all they want is something fun to play with in their spare time.
@naruball oh yeah there's a lot for those, all their comments are either bashing playstation and it's services, and have a lot of removed comments for trolling etc, and yet they are the ones going round calling people Fanboys.
@Mreeezie That's understandable but you're still on a playstation website which will have playstation fanboys, so why still moan about them, that would be like taking your wife to a beauty contest and your wife getting mad that there's beautiful women all around her.
@StonyKL this is true. I mean I can't speak to much as I've got a series x, ps5, switch oled, steam deck a decent pc and various old console's soooo 👀. But end of the day these companies are only here to squeeze us out of as much money as possible regardless of brand
@naruball well I don't think they would have put the portal out if they didn't think it would make them money and drive "engagement". I don't think they ever would as doesn't make much sense but man I'd love a vita 2. I still use my vita here and there.
Currently going through the OG rachet and clank trilogy for the first time on it
@MrMagic I don't think anyone said it was useless but not necessary for most people. I'm not interested as I prefer a big TV. Barely play my Switch handheld and will be getting a dock for my Steamdeck so I can play it more.
What's the point in having a super powerful console and then playing it on a screen half the size of my dad's old TV I used to play F-Zero on?
That's just me though.
@Mreeezie "more like they would be saying my wife isn't beautiful enough, while she is."
Pics or didn't happen
If my damn internet was up to speed I wouldn’t have a bad word to say about Portal.
The very same "Japanese giant" is being obliterated in terms of sales over in Japan by Nintendo ^_^ But yea...two exclusive games since launch and a subscription service are obviously not enough for M$ to compete these days...so it seems. But who knows, maybe numbers of Forza / Gears 5 sales on Steam would provide some interesting numbers ?
So many people moaning about this article.
This is a PlayStation dedicated site.
We are allowed to celebrate surely without people getting offended.
If you don’t like it, stay away. Simple.
@Mikey856 I find streaming from the ps5 abit hit or miss in general. It's better on my steam deck then tablet and pc is trash for some reason and that's with gigabit internet on lan ..
@UltimateOtaku91
I don’t think it will, unless there is an amazing turn around, but that won’t happen.
Wow congratulations PlayStation! Why not celebrate this achievement by increasing the price of PS Plus again?
Its amazing how many people simply dont want to acknowledge facts.
When a mega corporation spends 70billion in the biggest take over in this buisness ever, and yet can hardly shift its hardware, its news, and deserves to be covered. If you dont like news just go hide under a rock or dont engage. It does matter and it deserves coverage, whether you personally like it or not.
@ChrisDeku I own all 3 platforms, love them all. But headlines like this just stir up console war crap in my opinion.
@Stickleman
Well I have all three consoles so not sure why I got so much grief, also mostly I was stating fact and trying to help Microsoft manage Xbox.
Being honest though I don’t think Xbox as we know it with a console will be much longer.
@blockfight Unfortunately, such stories have much more engaement than any others, and if you want your site to show high levels of engagement, you dont avoid stories that stupid console warriors will respond to. This story already has more comments and engagement than any news about a games release ever will.
I used to have an issue with it, but I can now see that Sammy is simply getting hits and engagement on the site by not shying away from news that some will object to. He knows his buisness better than I ever will, and I'm starting to see that he's playing it right, whatever I might think on an individual story.
@Titntin
I like the news.
And yes both Zenimax and ABK seem have very little impact on the fate of Xbox.
@Titntin True. I think in future the best thing for me to do is not click on baity headlines.
Pretty crazy to think that a remote play device is outselling Microsoft's main console, crazy times
@Stickleman yeah I agree totally mate. Most time mine is pretty much locked but it definitely has dips. Which is why I don’t use it for GT7 Sport mode say.
@Mikey856 yeah I don't use it for anything competitive. It was handy for getting the plat on Spiderman 2 and the last of us 2. Stuff like that really
@PsBoxSwitchOwner
Good luck trying to get PS and PX to stop baiting arguments between fanboys. They're quite happy to fan the flames. It's either an SEO thing or they have a "banned for flaming/arguing" monthly quota they need to meet 🤣
yet more baiting fanboy nonsense from push. I am not surprised. And you wonder why the comments sections are such a disaster, you reap what you sow. This place is becoming more and more toxic and its not a good look at all.
@StonyKL t isn't just gaming ,we walk round with tshirts,with faces of millionaire actors on them,millions of people worship multi millionaire men running round a field, chasing a piece of leather ,were mental.
I love to see bots screaming because their so beloved "best console of all times", erm, correction, "best Xbox of all times", can't outsell a "useless" handheld.
I mean, it can't even outsell a glorified 2014 tablet on a normal day, although I can understand why the tablet sells and the "best Xbox" don't.
@PixelDragon
At this point I'd bet the N-Gage would outsell the Series, on a 3:1 basis even.
@Stickleman of course they are,but fans like articles like this ,I personally don't care one way or another ,I want all to do well ,but its no different to sports,they like their 'team' doing well ,they like reading that fact,is it childish,probably ,but were all fans of moving avatars round a screen for hours on end,some people would say gaming is childish by its very design.
@Mreeezie it makes them feel good albeit for a short time,its just another form of entertainment ,if people enjoy something I dont believe it should be ridiculed ,as long as it doesn't hurt anyone ,and i don't mean feelings that doesn't count 😂
@Mreeezie I wouldnt disagree with you mate.
But this is not a news piece about long term stratagies, its a news piece about sales metrics which seem to indicate that Xbox is experiencing issues shifting units.
I dont buy into the defence that sales dont matter. I'm sure that the other channels for MS to make money are not insignificant, but I sincerely doubt that people not buying Xboxes are consuming GP on PC or streaming the ecosystem to another device. I dont know a single person who does this to play their main games, though I appreciate its a growing trend and will have more relevance in the future.
I have every desire to see MS being a strong competitor, so the huge drop off in sales for them is somewhat worrying. Until last week I had GP ultimate and I had been on GP since its inception, so I have no desire see MS fail - and neither should anyone who cares about games. Strong competition is good for all of us, so I dont like to see that few people are buying Xboxes, its no good for anyone. But the figures have been consistent all year and dont lose their relevance just because they are hidden behind a click bait headline.
The bulk of the market buy maybe 2 or 3 games a year and want to own them and play them on a box plugged into their telly. Imagining that these people will be tempeted by an endless succesion of great games on a rental service is clearly not a working stratagey for this more casual market, no matter how good GP undoubtably is. I believe MS need a stratagey to get brand loyalty now, and the figures would indicate that will require a change to their offering. I hope we see it.
Well that just shows that Sony players will buy anything so long as it says PlayStation on it. That tatty thing is literally an old LCD android screen and a split controller. 🤦🏻♂️
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@Luigia aren't they declining as well?
@Sakai you are correct, but PX is often not much better. You can guarantee Sony will be brought up at every opportunity. And you can’t criticise MS at all.
Everything has fanboy stuff but yeah sometimes across both sites articles can come across better.
This article would have been just fine with a PS and Portal sell great or w/e in the headline. Then just have the facts and figures in the article.
@Titntin very well put and I wholeheartedly agree. Sales do matter, and had Xbox been smashing it, you can guarantee they would be shouting it from the rooftops.
The data they use now about engagement is interesting sure, but me playing a game on GPU doesn Equate to me spending more. It’s kinda smoke and mirrors as we see when they do release their financials.
Sadly can’t have this conversation on PX tho however.
I've been amazed at how good the portal actually is - no one needs it, but if you want it, go for it! I assumed it would only be good for puzzle and turn-based sorts of games, but the proper dualsense controllers and nice, large screen make it pretty viable for action games as well (if you have a decent router an WiFi connection). I don't think you want to be using it for competitive multiplayer (there's always going to be some lag), but I've been loving my second playthrough of Dead Space in bed and on the couch.
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@PsBoxSwitchOwner I agree 100%, for example the Gt7 v Forza article on PX was horrendous the other week and I have said the same to them. They know exactly what they are doing, and always pretend to be oblivious in the comments sections, it's a really bad look.
It makes being multiplatform difficult as each side is as bad as eachother, and I feel I am constantly stuck in the middle of this sad little playground argument.
@Markatron84 100% this, Well said. They know exactly what they are doing with the way they frame the articles, and it has been mentioned countless times.
The comments sections need so much moderation because of the old saying; garbage in, garbage out
@Sakai well said and yet gone after mere minutes.
@get2sammyb @DreamlandGem feedback isn't unconstructive just because you don't like what's being said. And if your issue is with the way it's being said, then perhaps reflect on that; the way something was said - by supposed professionals, no less - is why you received the feedback in the first place
As usual, @UltimateOtaku91, you spin it your way to suit your own disdain for Xbox and Microsoft. I suggest you go and re-read the article on the Xbox One because they were not singing the praises of the Xbox One at release, they were discussing how some elements have been turned around since that disastrous presentation and the subsequent release. But hey, you do you, and just keep dishing out your own brand of fanboyism. I'm sure some in here with appreciate it, even if you are not actually telling the truth...
Very curious as to your source regarding Game Pass growth having stalled, @UltimateOtaku91. To my knowledge, Microsoft / Xbox have not revealed their figures. Only supposed 'insiders' have speculated regarding this.
The thing is, yes, I get it that the Portal has outsold the Series right now, and that is an achievement in and of itself, however, the device has literally just been released, so everyone (possibly mainly scalpers, if eBay is anything to go by) is buying one. However, once that initial rush has ended, will it still be outselling the Series? That should be the metric. There is always an initial surge in the sales of such a device or console, but once that initial demand has been met, then, as with most consoles, the sales will dip to their more likely week on week purchases. It's just like there will be a surge in sales of the PS5 once the 'slim' arrives, but after that (and after Christmas given the timing of its release) sales will dip to a more stable month on month level.
Give it a month, and then see how the Portal is faring. If it is still outselling the Series then, then that is truly an achievement to be commented on...
I got a ps portal, only used it once. I'm not a ps/xbox/Nintendo fanboy. Ps for it's great exclusives, xbox for Forza and backwards compatibly and Nintendo for everything Nintendo that ps and Xbox fail to replicate. Don't needa be a one console fanboy, don't even need to like the console you have as long as it suits your needs. This ps Vs Xbox crap is annoying. I'm happy ps sold some pointless gadget, but some people need to get their tounges outta Sony's butt, not like they know who you are while your defending them to the death.
I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion on here and I know there will be trolls and keyboard warriors constantly bickering and arguing, and as a owner of all three of the consoles, I'm very disappointed in some of the writers on this site.
@get2sammyb I will not troll you, I will not bash you, but the article you wrote is triggering people. This isn't the first time you have done it either. It would be different if this was a Playstation website that had no affiliation to anything else, but you have sister sites for other said consoles. As a writer for this site, it is your job to promote healthy conversation. You're putting PS/Xbox fanboys against each other. There's already a lot of negativity out there. There are ways to write the article above without triggering and baiting people. If your goal is get get a bunch of comments for your article, congratulations you did it, but at the end of the day, you are responsible for baiting and triggering people here in the comment section.
@Mreeezie thank u someone i can relate to on this damn site. I have an enlarged heart indeed
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@Fiendish-Beaver There's been quite a lot of evidence to support Game Pass subscriptions significantly slowing down.
The big Xbox leak had internal emails where they discussed that Game Pass on Xbox was fully saturated which is why they were pushing harder on PC.
But there is other evidence too. They have 3 years running missed their Game Pass targets by a LONG way, this is in investors docs, as is the fact both Phil Spencer and Satya Nadella have taken Game Pass off their list of bonus targets for 2024.
Lastly Microsoft have been VERY quiet on Game Pass subscriber numbers recently, they were happily sharing them frequently in 2020-2022 when they increasing fast from 10-25 million. Since then tumbleweeds. Two recent Linkedin profiles from high ranking Xbox/Game pass marketers put it at around 30 million, same number as Sony thought they had in court docs.
Individually one of these bits of information might not be conclusive but it does paint a pretty clear picture that Game Pass growth has stalled somewhat. Likely a little over 30+ million, which taken on it's own isn't bad at all, but as they announced 25 million in Jan 2022, it's clear growth has slowed to a crawl.
EDIT: I agree with most of your other points. This whole article is bait!
Hey everyone! Thanks for the robust feedback on this article, in hindsight I agree it came across a little bit too strong, which has obviously shaped the conversation here a little regrettably.
I do think there's still a story here (obviously PS Portal appears to be performing stronger than initially expected and it's impressive that it's even managed to outperform Xbox, even if it's only launch week).
But I take the feedback seriously, and on reflection realise I missed the mark and went a bit heavy here.
@get2sammyb Appreciate the reflection. We're all gamers, and there's already far too much division without stoking the flames further
Lol, people who gloat in 50s posts of Microsoft buying Activision, VR2 not selling much, Xbox outsold PS5 in Japan etc are now saying this article flaming. Hypocrites. lol. The biggest joke.
@OldGamer999 ftc starting to look even sillier now
@MrMagic Sony players also called this thing useless too. Goes to show people why buy any ole junk as long as it has a playstation logo on it.
I wonder how many will be getting returned once they realise the limitations
We don’t need to bash Xbox on push square
Microsoft have bashed Xbox enough themselves.
There is old saying, let them die in peace.
I will added, unfortunately for gamers, as I grew up on some amazing Xbox 360 games.
@Toot1st not many, there's 1000s on ebay already...
@get2sammyb almost everything you write on this site comes across as the words of a fanboy. Not an accusation that can be levelled at your peers.
There's just no need in getting an Xbox when every game on gamepass comes on PC day one.
@riazor agreed. I guarantee that this will happen again.
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@TheMD23 because they don’t need an Xbox using XCLOUD and Gamepass on a PC, Tablet, Phone etc..
@Luigia let's be honest no one buys game pass to play on a tablet or phone it's pc or xbox and people who don't have the money for a good pc buy xbox which that's why it doesn't sell good
@Toot1st Sounds like it has a lot in common with the Series Potato, I mean S. 😘
I don't know if gaming has always been this childish or if I'm just too old to take part anymore.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner How would one rewrite the facts? Enlighten us.
News just in a literal potato 🥔 attached to a light bulb outsold Xbox consoles 100 to 1. X Box execs answer but but..but..but..but PC and erm....Gamepass so we ask them to release their supposedly wonderful Gamepass figures but Phil started sweating and then burst into tears and now won't talk to us😭
All those people complaining about the console wars. Microsoft already said, under oath, the console war was over and they lost. You can lay down you arms and rest now, console warriors.
Best option Microsoft has is to just to ditch the hardware and go full SEGA mode.
They have a monstrous amount of money and resources now and i can only see good coming out it that EVEYONE will benefit from.
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