Sony has single-handedly managed to p*ss off the entire anime community, as it’s announced plans to erase purchased digital content as part of Funimation’s merger with Crunchyroll. The Japanese giant effectively has a stranglehold on the popular form of media, as it owns all of the major streaming services and a chunk of content – although it would argue the existence of Netflix and Disney+ means it doesn’t have a monopoly on the market.
That’s not stopping it from eradicating huge swathes of digital content, however, when Funimation ceases to exist from 2nd April. In addition to offering on-demand streaming, Funimation would also release physical DVDs and Blu-rays, including digital codes which allowed the content to be added to a user’s library and streamed “forever”.
Except, these digital copies will cease to exist later this year. “Please note that Crunchyroll does not currently support Funimation digital copies, which means that access to previously available digital copies will not be supported,” a spokesperson said. “However, we are continuously working to enhance our content offerings and provide you with an exceptional anime streaming experience.”
Those that held onto their DVDs and Blu-rays will of course still be able to enjoy this content, but some are frustrated because they decided to resell or gift their physical copies, assuming they’d have access to the content digitally indefinitely. It’s a stark reminder that, no matter what companies say, digital content does not last forever – and your content is ultimately beholden to suits keeping the servers switched on.
[source arstechnica.com]
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Welcome to the digital “future” you own nothing, even when you buy it.
I love physical media.
This kind of development is not unexpected.
Yeah this kind of stuff isn't massively surprising, but it's pretty scary.
It makes me wonder why they didn't just go the other way around with it. Shut down Crunchyroll and make Funimation the main streaming service? That way the folks who used this feature wouldn't get the rug pulled out from under them. Just seems like the better choice to me.
I don't know the subscriber numbers so I assume it's because Crunchyroll is more popular but still. Not a great look Sony.
Are they 100% gone forever?
Or is this one of those scenarios where they're working on it but can't promise anything until it's done? (If it ever gets done).
Makes you wonder how transparent they're allowed to be with their messaging when it comes to licensing etc.
@Korgon Crunchyroll was just more popular and more marketable as I understand it.
The use of "currently" and "however" in the statement makes it sound like the feature is something they're working on though. If that's not the case, it's bad messaging.
But even then all we're going to spend money on is licences anyway. Welcome to the digital future!
"I don't see a problem with Sony being the only console manufacturer."
Here it is, right here. Sony is ruthless when it has a monopoly and always has been.
@LifeGirl apples and oranges. Also, they have no reason to be ruthless. Consumers will find other ways to access content. If anything, this is extremely myopic of Sony.
@Shepherd_Tallon Crunchyroll's service update email specifically said that digital content purchased/redeemed on Funimation won't be transferred, nor will pre-existing vouchers (usually included in Blu-Ray/DVD copies) be redeemable on Crunchyroll. Basically, title ownership is being deleted simply because Crunchyroll doesn't offer it.
@DarkTron Well that's a pretty definitive statement.
I have to wonder why they don't just leave people with what they have. It has to be a licensing thing. Remember that failed PlayStation app that let you buy movies? They killed it, but left the app there for anyone who had bought movies on it so they could continue to use it while the licenses last.
I still have Lord of the Rings on that.
This feels like a very clumsy blunder.
@themightyant The bigger issue at play with a lot of these digital libraries is the DRM of them being tied to "always online" or features therein not updated...
Seem to recall several of the PS2 on PS4 "Classics" not working properly on PS5,but fixing or doing a new emulation to resolve it seems consigned to the too hard basket!
On PC you have several older anti-piracy protections that if not patched out can make them unplayable vs rolling the dice with modded games on the "high seas"!
Stores like GOG can help with offline installers but again you might have to rely on mods or Virtual options...but agree,when you get movies & tv shows in the hands of streaming only services deciding what's still watchable for "modern audiences",its a sad situation!
Have got a number of dvd box sets & even resorted to the odd import of old shows i know will never get an airing in my neck of the woods on streaming but hate they'll be reliant on my region free DVD player staying healthy!🙏
If people sold their physical dvd/bluray rhen their digital code should be invalid as well.
You cant both eat cake and still have it.
I would say this might have less to do with Sony and more with the intricacies of licensing deals made when the original content was released.
@LifeGirl this applies to every company unfortunately, not just Sony. What do you think what the idea behind gamepass is, exactly the same. No ownership over content so you need to stay subscribed in order to keep access to it.
This is why I support physical media
@Neverwild stupidest comment in this whole article.
Removing access to content is one thing (especially if that content has already been paid for - even vouchers from Blu-Rays count in that regard), but Crunchyroll are also increasing their prices well beyond reasonable for legacy users (66% for the Premium plans), and with no other service, there's nothing going to stop Crunchyroll from raising their prices for regular customers next year. The only benefit for Crunchyroll is that it's profitable enough that the anime piracy community will remain active for years to come.
Corporate acquisitions by 2024: even franchises get layoffs.
@DarkTron I disagree. There is a simple reason Steam succeeded when people could get PC games for free. They offered cheap games and made it convenient. Sony is about to learn the hard way you can't raise the prices as much as you want and expect the consumers to follow. Enough people will vote with their wallets and the prices will go down.
Sony and Microsoft both pissing off a lot of people at the moment lol
@naruball @DarkTron I've seen conflicting reports about this around the internet this morning.
Are Crunchyroll prices going up?
I read a bunch of articles saying they absolutely are.
And one saying everyone has misunderstood the email and there is no "announced" increase yet. Apparently it's just the increase from Funimation to Crunchyroll?
I'm due to renew my fan sub next month and the price is the same currently.
@Shepherd_Tallon here's hoping it's the latter!
@naruball Steam also has competitors to it (Epic and GOG being well-known examples), as well as third-party stores that also purchase and sell keys. Steam is the top site, and has remained so because it drives the vast majority of traffic. Your claim that Steam offering cheap games isn't founded; that's the publisher's choice to discount it to that degree. It's actually apparent more than ever that Steam's popularity (on top of everything else) is that it was simply the best and the first at doing exactly what it did (everyone else who tried to emulate it failed).
Crunchyroll, in comparison, has no real commercial competitor (HIDIVE doesn't have the reach that Crunchyroll has, and the next-biggest anime-only services are those websites that come up when you Google "watch anime online free"). They have a monopoly as of Funimation shutting, there's no reason to assume they won't capitalise on it.
@Shepherd_Tallon according to existing Funimation users, they've been informed their prices are going up (to the respective equivalent prices on Crunchyroll). I'm only speculating that Crunchyroll will then, once it unifies the brand, copy the price increases we've seen with other streaming services. As claimed, they have a clear monopoly, and modern "boycotts" have found that most people just tend to gripe and stick with it than actually cancel.
@DarkTron Ah understood.
But yeah, I have no doubt Crunchyroll prices will go up.
My fan sub is just €40.00 per year atm. I can't see it staying at that price.
Ha! Any wonder why I keep a dvd collection with carry on like this I like a physical thing for my money I can still enjoy my evil dead trilogy, Buffy , monk , grimm etc no streaming needed thanks
These companies are really trying to encourage piracy again, and it has the government support this time considering the acquisition wasn't blocked. Is there viable mainstream competition to Sony's anime holdings now? Netflix is releasing some great content and also has a few classic big hitters but it's nothing compared to this.
Now that I typed that, I almost wish Netflix had bought Funimation.
I read "not currently support" so they could still bring it back in some way to unify the services. But I don't have a horse in this race. I was just curious.
People need to realise when they “own” digital content… they only own it while the company they purchased it from keeps the license… once that expires, if they don’t renew it, it’s game over for the customer.
I’ve always favoured physical over digital media, be it movies, games, books and music. Personally I just like to rummage through my collection and I like something I can actually hold.
I totally get the want / need for digital, but what with the Discovery debacle last year and now this, Sony are certainly inadvertently waving the flag for why we should all stick with physical.
@DarkTron you misunderstood my point. I meant why Steam became popular when no one was buying digital games on PC. Not now. Piracy will take over anime if Sony does not offer a cheap and convenient solution the way Steam enticed gamers in the first place.
I hate that’ll continue to use CR. It shows have merged into Funimation. I hope this violates terms and they see a lawsuit come their way.
The CR app is barely catching up to Funi with features and it’s pathetic and showing.
@Shepherd_Tallon
Given what has been said about this situation, one can guess CR won't offer anything due to licensing and distribution issues that have to be negotiated again, not only with with Japan but within US too.
Yeah, that’s lame. It really is. 😑
Then they wonder why people pirate.
@McBurn
The “currently support” message explains the catalyst. The “which means that access to previously available digital copies will not be supported” is the result. They will not support previously available digital copies. Hard stop.
Digital content does not last forever....how do customers not get this? I rarely support digital and convenience is not paramount to owning your purchase.
This sucks, but if you bought a physical copy b/c you only wanted it digital so you gave away or threw away the physical, well you’re doing it wrong. 🤷🏻♂️
I’ve purchased several DVDs and Blu-ray’s that came with digital copy codes that I may have redeemed with some now discontinued company from years ago, but I never watched them. I think most of the boxes even said “bonus” digital copy. So I’m not as bothered by this news as when people straight up buy digital and then that goes away, b/c that’s theft on the company’s part, they sold you something then stole it back.
Which is why I only “buy” digital if it’s the cost of a rental, b/c I know it’s just going to wind up being a rental at some point.
Which is why Stadia died I think. The tech was there but the pricing was idiotic. You can’t buy anything in the cloud, it’s a rental from day 1. Same for cloud games on Switch, should be illegal, it’s bait and switch at its core.🤑
@LifeGirl yep. While I like to avoid the hassles of PC, time will tell if Sony will drive me away from their ecosystem.
Sony doing its part in the war against weebery 🫡
Yet another good example of why I always will favor physical over digital.
"The Japanese giant effectively has a stranglehold on the popular form of media"
Wait, and now the customer suffers once the choke is locked in? This must be the first time this has ever happened, right? No!? Well, good thing this could never happen to PlayStation because it competes with all entertainment equally, right? lol
That's why I watch anime only on netflix, youtube (muse-asia and ani-one channel), and the high seas lol.
So, at the very least give people an option to download and store those purchases.
@get2sammyb It's things like this that means this will probably be my last gen of new consoles.
I'll be quite happy watching my Blu-rays, playing my Dreamcast, Saturn, N64, PS2, GameCube and Xbox etc. until I no longer care about games or I die a spectacular death being beaten by stewards for invading the pitch in a ridiculous manner when either Luton or United win the Premier League.
In fact my Sega Saturn backlog plays on my mind quite regularly.
Good ridance. Also not news and not the entire community. Only digital content I have from them was through codes I got from my discs. I was not concerned with that nonsense. Their streaming services were awful to begin with and a pain to navigate. Happy to see all that transfer over to CR.
Anyway shame on anyone who bought digital content thinking they owned it. You deserve every bit of disatisfaction you're getting over this. You were warned.
Would be nice if they set up a Google play store and Apple TV/iTunes transfer option.
i'll never understand why people are either too scared or so hellbent with their moral values to pirate content. sure, support the industries you love whenever you can, but there is nothing wrong with pirating retro games and anime that has already made a healthy financial return back when it was released! archive your own collections and stop giving your hard earned money to greeedy corporations who clearly do not care about you, the end user! sorry, but when it comes to preservation, the reality is that you need to take matters into your own hands...
This sucks also buying anime bluray these days is expensive like u need a 2nd job for that 😅
I say it again: DIGITAL IS WORTHLESS.
I can’t imagine ever buying any digital film from Sony ever. And yeah, if I generally am going to prefer Steam to the PStore. Not a good look Sony.
Absolute scum. This is why you don't buy digital from a company that isn't already a mega corp
How many examples of actions like this will it take to convince people not to "buy" Digital Content?
Kind of weird that they would switch to the inferior service in this case. I've always had problems streaming with Crunchyroll, never had issues with Funimation. What a shame.
That's why I practically buy all my games and movies on physical disc.
Too many examples of paid digital content being erased or replaced with a censored version "suitable for modern audiences".
I only buy digital games for PS VR2, because changing discs while wearing a VR-headset is cumbersome or when the price is cheap enough that I wouldn't care if I lost the digital item. In the latter, those most consist of games that I wasn't intended to play anyway (at least not for the recommended price).
So maybe we shouldn't be letting companies buy up large portions of their operating markets??
While this is concerning, the prevalence of similar headlines across media formats almost ensures there will be lawsuits and regulations eventually put in place to protect digital purchases. I just hope that occurs sooner rather than later.
The digital future these companies want, " You will own nothing and be happy!"
That does suck. I wonder if CR giving some free stuff would have helped ease the blow. I also wonder how much digital stuff that was in the FUNI digital content is available to stream on CR already? I'm sure it's not 100%
This is the world we live in. I'm not planning to sell my Blu-Rays anytime soon.
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