Xbox will apparently release the “majority” of its tentpole first-party titles on PS5 in the future, as its multiformat strategy gathers pace. Earlier in the year, the Redmond firm broadcast a strategic business meeting, where it announced four console exclusive titles – including Hi-Fi Rush and Sea of Thieves – would launch on Sony’s format. While it stopped short of confirming other rumoured releases, it insinuated this was simply the start of a new philosophy for the firm.
And according to GamesIndustry.biz’s well-connected Christopher Dring, there’s much more to come: “From what I understand the majority of [Xbox’s first-party games] will be coming [to PS5] at some point, assuming it progresses as Xbox believes it probably will,” he said on a podcast. “I think Xbox is in real trouble as a hardware manufacturer, and that was the thing that came out of GDC for me.”
In the wake of flatlining hardware sales in Europe, Dring explained that some publishers are pondering whether to even continue supporting the Xbox console. “You can follow our monthly coverage in the games market and you can see that Xbox sales are falling, and it’s been falling all throughout last year and it’s falling even harder this year,” he noted. “The phrase one major company who released a big game last year said [was], ‘I don’t know why we bothered supporting it.’”
Dring quoted other high-level executives who noted a lot of work goes into creating multiple versions of Xbox games, so they scale across both the Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S hardware profiles. He explained: “You’ve got third-party publishers going, ‘We’re putting in a lot of effort trying to create a Series S version and an X version of a game when, to be honest with you, for us the market is PC and PS5.’”
Obviously, we’ll need to wait and see what the official word is from Microsoft, but we wouldn’t be surprised to see more Xbox titles announced for PS5 following this initial batch. There were rumours, prior to the aforementioned strategic business broadcast, that Starfield and Gears of War are in development for Sony’s device, so we’ll need to await more information in the coming months.
[source youtube.com, via videogameschronicle.com]
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The beginning of the end. Cant say I didnt see it coming 🤷🏾♂️
As long as I get TES6 and future fallout games I'm good....don't really care about starfield or any other microsoft exclusives
It's sad that consoles comes to an end. I will seriously think about PC next time. It's been amazing few generations but it everything ends
Damn that's rough for Microsoft.
Sales for games were always going to go down on Xbox with the huge push towards Gamepass. If third parties stop getting good fees for their games to be available on Xbox Gamepass then things will be bad for Xbox as a hardware manufacturer. But Gamepass itself will live on.
@jt887 that's your opinion and really don't care.... I like fantasy rpgs, as long as they keep the same formula and style of TES oblivion/skyrim for TES6 I'll be happy if they stray from it then I'll ditch it simple as that.....I go back to the same game anyways eventually which is FFXIV lol
If devs are frustrated about developing for multiple systems now, imagine the headache when a rumored handheld gets thrown in to the mix.
It’s just so confusing how Microsoft spent so much money to end up doing even worse and that the guy in charge still has infinite supply of leather jackets and a job.
Yeeeeeeeeees
Don't mind waiting 1/2 years but please share
Same to you PlayStation
( more money for you both )
And players around the world win
@Darth_Stofi consoles will never end. There will always be a market for gamers that don't want or can't afford a top tier rig to play games.
The sales numbers is just an excuse. If they wanted more sales then you would see just about every 3rd party game on the Nintendo Switch & then the Series S wouldn't be a problem. But we don't.
This is a problem the games industry created specially western developers.
Its only gonna get worse as soon there will be a PS5 Pro & the rumours of PlayStation & Xbox handheld in the future.
Elder Scrolls VI here we come.
@Heckteck You played Dragon's Dogma 2 yet?
I want ES6 on ps5/6 and I'm good
We are already seeing PS4 and 5 exclusives on PC. Xbox may be dying but its bigger brother isn't.
Press F to pay respects to the non-Nintendo console exclusive.
I don’t think all his comments will be true.
Regardless if the majority are it wouldn’t be a great thing, competition is always good.
@Heckteck tbf you already have the future elder scrolls and fallout already since nothing changes on these games. They are the same games released over and over agai with a new shiny skin
@PsBoxSwitchOwner There is a lot of competition. Steam, PS and Switch are all competitors. Not to mention they are fighting blackhole games like GTA V, Roblox and Fortnite in software. Then in the macro scale they're fighting youtube, tiktok and Netflix in the fight to have the most consumption.
Minority of xbox exclusives: 2/5 games
Majority of xbox exclusives: 4/5 games
Glad they went with the second approach.
Of course they were going to port more they weren’t doing just four and stopping all of a sudden. I’ve always said since this started happening that they went with the four they did because they are smaller and the backlash wouldn’t be as loud(even though that ended up not being true lol)and once their fans were used to it is when the big ones were coming.
Will we see Gamepass on PlayStation or PSN on PC?
Two years ago I would have given a firm "no". But this is a unique situation we find ourselves in. 50/50 in my opinion.
sony just keeps on cruise controlling , hot damn the ps4s success was something really special wasn’t it ?
Gamepass managed to cannibalise the whole gaming division.
@nomither6 you acting like Sony hasn’t provided games for its fans base unlike Microsoft.
@nomither6 It's fair to say MS assisted in the PS4's success. The manner in which Mattrick sent the Xbox One out to die was spectacular, to say the least. Of course it helped that Sony got their first-party studios firing on all cylinders last gen.
colin was right again years ago.
@Ainu20 sorry it is all phil spencers fault.
he has chosen the wrong games.
mattrick made good decisions in having a tv tuner inside the xbox one.
i would buy it for that back then.
having besthesda box go exclusive is also a spencer mistake.
As someone who owns the 3 brands (switch, xbox series s and ps4 pro not ps5 yet) this is embarrassing. I play mostly on xbox as I prefer achievements over trophies and seeing publishers, especially Japanese ones skip parts of series (ace attorney, megaman, final fantasy comes to mind) on xbox is just frustrating. It just seems like a dumb idea too to give your sales to competitors too like as if you'd ever see Nintendo or Sony say screw it, here's access to Mario, God of War etc. I don't think gamepass has helped at all, got rid of it because my backlog was already too big. I like having a main console and the ps5 is looking like the way to go when I can afford it.
Somehow this will be Sony's fault to the other side.
I mean Hellblade 2 and ES6 should come to PS as we already have the previous game of these franchises, not getting the sequel makes no sense.
People in the comment section are gonna lap this up 😂😂.
I'm sure as desperate as people are here for everything Xbox to fail so Sony won't have any competitors (terrible thing) 3rd party's arnt going to stop supporting it.....
@Beetlebum91 nothing beats a shiny platinum unlocking when you get all the trophies!
Seems like xbox owners aren't buying games. I bought games I liked when I had the xbox. But I didn't like the xbox, so gave it away.
@LifeGirl sony won't let gamepass on PlayStation
@Stickleman
Like how people are gleeful for PS VR2 failing and how we never stop hearing that Microsoft should buy Sony out the industry you mean?
@slayernz I don't know what you guys are talking about or if you are being sarcastic lol but WORD. Platinums feel way better than just getting all the achievements of a game. That's why a rumor said Xbox was thinking about their incorporation.
Honestly I still see ps4 as a modern console whereas xbox one aged like milk lol.
@slayernz I've got them before on a few games like binding of isaac and ffxv but I like the idea of the score adding to something so if I get nearly all achievements it makes me feel like I've accomplished more than getting nearly all trophies and not getting the platinum. Platinums are good though.
All I want are Forza Horizon and Microsoft Flight Simulator. Let's go!
@GloriosaDaisy To be fair, PS4 is still very relevant. If you're a new console user, you could do a LOT worse than getting a PS4 these days. There's years and years worth of cheap content available for it!
@gymratAmarillo ????
Cool! Would love more Xbox games on Playstation.
@Beetlebum91 "nothing beats a shiny platinum unlocking when you get all the trophies!"
Keep Starfield. Gimme Quantum Break.
Gamepass will never come to PlayStation and I'm personally glad. It's just PlayStation Extra without all the Playstation exclusives we get on extra but in their replacement is the odd decent new game and that just isn't enough for me, especially as they are moving towards offering micro transaction heavy games and I guarantee you that this is just the start. If you listen to Microsoft business reports they are constantly talking about finding new ways to monetise Gamepass and the games they offer in the future beyond the monthly subscription. I think everyone saw this coming a billion miles away. It was inevitable especially as X Box gamers are notorious for not buyiny games.
The Gamepass model was always unsustainable and that never end up well for consumers in the long run. I do feel bad for X box owners but lets be honest X Box as a brand hasn't been genuine competition for Playstation for a very long time now. Sony could do the bare minimum and still absolutely eclipse X Box's sorry offerings as they've have been in nose dive mode for so many generations now. Matters are not helped by so many multiplatform games being inferior on the Series X due to constraints caused by Series S.
The only thing that's stopped them going under is their money but they have been hemorrhaging so much for so long hoping to turn things around but sadly for them bizarrely the more money they spend the worse their product becomes ! I honestly don't know how they can reverse their downward trajectory at this point and they obviously don't know either. That is why desperation is causing them to put everything on PlayStation because they know people on that console actually buy games. It's a sad state of affairs but I guess when you bet the bank on an X Box gaming console that is devoid of a strong library of X Box games your only choice is try to wine and dine the competition and prey they start buying your games as your current gen customer numbers continue to plumet . I personally think it's a horrible decision but it's X Box and the one thing they are fantastic at is doubling down on horrible decisions so it is what it is.
I got an Xbox series X (previously had PS4) on launch was quite happy with gamepass. I was waiting for new Bethesda stuff but there still are no good (to the equivalent of Sony) exclusives , redfall was terrible and I was really eager for starfield but it was mostly smoke and mirrors (and loading screens lots and lots of loading screens) I finished it but only just. Sold it got a ps5. Microsoft just don't seem capable of making AAA games.
I really miss the 360 era. Lot of good Xbox exclusives. I don't know what changed between them and now, but something has got to give.
I actually thought Microsoft’s decision to aggressively buy up the big third party publishes would’ve eventually worked ie. convinced the vast majority of PlayStation and Switch users to jump ship.
Glad it didn’t though, I disapproved of the arms war it initiated and feel that the more independent third party devs and publishers the better… I also feel that Microsoft of all corporations would’ve been the worst people to steward the industry given their track record.
@jt887 >Fallout 4 was a letdown
You gotta love opinions lol
@colonelkilgore
I like Xbox as a brand. Had a lot of good memories doing Halo LAN parties, playing Morrowind / Gears / etc. Good times.
Despite liking Xbox, I never stopped despising Microsoft as a company. For a whole host of reasons that has nothing to do with their games division. The whole Game pass thing to me is nasty, the buying up huge publishers thing is even worse. I get their overall plan, or vision, or whatever you want to call it... And I don't want it.
I want some competition to be around though. Letting Sony of the leash entirely is a future I do not want to see. Hope they can continue to coexist.
I Just Want Spyro.
@WolfyTn
Yeah opinions are like... Well, you know 😆
Fallout New Vegas was so good. The 4 came in and well... Yeah. Wasn't a fan compared to their previous stuff.
@UnlimitedSevens yeah I’m not saying that I want Xbox out’ve the picture, nor that I want Sony to be the only game in town… I’m just happy that Microsoft’s attempts to simply buy up the industry look to have backfired.
I just want Hellblade. And maybe Indiana Jones. I’m not sure the rest of their stuff interests me that much.
@colonelkilgore
Amen to that. I don't like the overall direction I'm seeing with the acquisitions, whether it was Tencent, Microsoft, or Sony. I'm glad it's slowing down now.
@WolfyTn That is not one persons individual opinion.
FO4 was incredibly disappointing. The Radiant quests with no story purpose, the pointless crafting, the story, the AB logic of the dialogue trees (Hm do I answer Yes or Yes (but sarcastically))
76 is also bad, and Starfield has reviewed poorly too. They are a studio in decline!
Contrary to what some will claim, I would not have predicted that Sony and Microsoft would enter a relatively non-competitive relationship within my lifetime. I really wouldn't have thought this would happen until gamepass showed up.
On the other hand, I would love to platinum some Halo and Gears games. Old Splinter Cell games?
Viva Pinata? Fallout 3/Oblivion remasters? Bring it on
@Darth_Stofi Consoles aren't ending. It's just the Xbox hardware that is.
They likely will continue making it for another gen though.
@IndoorEnthusiast It cause while console sales are down. Everything else is going fantastic for the Xbox gaming division. With the purchase of ActivisionBlizzard gaming is now officially a tent pole division for Microsoft along side Windows and the cloud.
I completely understand developers getting bored of Xbox.
At least playstation, you've just got the 1 PS5 either with or without a disc drive and ps4 if they want the extra cash.
Xbox has 2 different consoles out at the same time and they do or did demand that they are released on both.
With a failing console aswel, with my business head on xbox console development isn't worth the cost of development for not kuch return.
Must cost quite abit to have to develop for s and x and there isn't much of a player base.
Once Starfield is revealed to be coming to PS5 that's when you know MS are going 3rd party.
I like my series s. Gave me a cheap way to get at the Xbox library. But can see why it's caused Microsoft problems.
They just aren't very good at this business, the 360 seems like a blip
I do wonder how much sticking with the Series S has hurt them? It has been a common belly ache for moving on from the previous gen.
How Phil, Matt and Aaron avoided being part of the 1900 ex employees is beyond me.
But hey not content with failing in the console space they now want to fail in the handheld space. Absolutely bizarre.
Of course the crazy shilling fanbase and shilling media is partly to blame, I still remember the end of first year report by the dimwits on IGN, if I remember rightly they gave the PS5 after Returnal, Astro, Demons Souls a B- grade and gave the "we have nothing" Xbox a B. Bonkers.
I moved over to xbox this gen (ps4 / ps4pro / ps5 previously). And it's been great for me mostly.
However all of our predictions when Gamepass propaganda was cascading through the gaming sites 2-3 years ago has come true.
Worse games
Microtransactions galore
Early access at additional cost
People stop buying games
Publishers stop developing games
Phil Spencer has to go. He put xbox back on track to a degree but doesn't understand what hobbyist gamers want. Other than Forza Horizon, Ori and Flight Simulator (all released years ago) everything else has been a bust.
Every single first party game is mediocre, without soul. Made in a boardroom.
It's disappointing but a lot if us here seen this coming.
@gymratAmarillo I prefer achievements. On the PS5 playing Ghost of Tsushima, I hit the required contect sensitive milestone for a trophy and it didn't unlock. Which locked me out of the platinum. Heartbreaking. The same thing happened on xbox with the Skywalker saga and I lost 30g. Big difference when let's be honest, plats are all that really matter on the PlayStation.
I really think Game Pass has kind of done the most damage for them. They have an ecosystem where the audience is trained to no longer buy any games on the platform anymore instead just playing whatever is available on Game Pass. I can imagine this has made it difficult for developers to find success on the system unless they take the Game Pass deal which not every dev is going to take or can't take.
I also imagine Microsoft is looking at how well the handful of games they already have on PS5 are doing and are probably saying "We would be fools not to take the money we could make here".
@CaptD I also remember the IGN editor’s tweet (Justin Davis) about using Gamepass everyday but barely touching his PS5… then getting fact-checked and he actually barely touched Gamepass at all. Paid promotion from what should be the objective media.
@waltdisneypixar no reason for Sony or Nintendo to share. Both need their gaming divisions to do well. As both companies don’t have windows or software money to keep them going. So in other words they won’t share their IPs which they are under no obligation to as a corporation.
This is great for me (PS5 owner who has been contemplating saving up for an Xbox series X)
I miss playing the likes of Forza & some older generation games like Fable on Xbox so the potential for these to migrate to Playstation would be great.
I never played Halo when I was younger, I was a Call of Duty player now though I think it would be fun to play some Halo games to see how they are. (Mainly from watching the TV show & just knowing it isn't doing the games justice)
These devs talk as if the consoles have such unique hardware these days. Gone are the days of true bespoke SOCs from each manufacturer. The Xbox series s and Xbox series X are the same architecture with the Ps5 being so similar. Prior to PS4 and Xbox one this wasn’t the case. And the series s doesn’t hold back the series x, it is devs that are holding back the series x. Devs just haven’t optimized their work flows like PC game developers do.
@Vaako007 playstation games already going into pc
Xbox coming to ps5
Love the time we are right now
Give me more xbox game pleaseeeeee
Absolutely no pity for Microsoft at this point. After their pathetic consolidating the industry because they're bad at it and trying to deter businesses from setting up in the UK because they weren't getting their way initially, no time for their nonsense whatsoever.
I stand by that Xbox has gotten worse and worse with each passing generation and lost all their spark once Kinect became a thing.
2002 - 2009 was peak Xbox imo.
I game on everything but for those who don't I see this as a good thing. If PlayStation gamers get to play games like Ori so be it.
@MomsSpaghetti
I think they peaked during the OG Xbox era myself. Nothing on 360 was close to as amazing as Ninja Gaiden Black and Dead or Alive 2 Ultimate for me.
RIP offset thumb sticks. That's one thing I miss from my 360 days. That, Gears of War 1-3, and Halo 1-3, but sounds like I'll be able to get on those trilogies again on my PS at some point.
Flat lining hardware sales should tell them the price is too high.
They (Sony, at least) are gouging us on PS Plus, nudging the industry towards digital, where they get a 30% cut off every sale. If they want to move more consoles (and get more 30% cuts) then they need to cut the price massively so people can afford them. They've likely reached saturation on people able to afford these prices now.
What with the PS5 Pro supposedly due this year, they need a price cut now so that this new thing is appropriately priced too, otherwise the PS5 Pro A6 over £500 is going to be a wash.
“The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their products" - Steve Jobs
Buying Zune, Skype, Nokia, ZeniMax, Activision/Blizzard and creating a big bland black brick of a box like the series X sounds relatable.
Dring quoted other high-level executives who noted a lot of work goes into creating multiple versions of Xbox games, so they scale across both the Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S hardware profiles. He explained: “You’ve got third-party publishers going, ‘We’re putting in a lot of effort trying to create a Series S version and an X version of a game when, to be honest with you, for us the market is PC and PS5.’”
MS really hamstrung themselves this gen with the split SKU, they should have just released the Series X and undercut Sony by £100 with it.
Xbox will become a software platform the same way as SEGA did and we will see Gears, Halo etc on Playstation in the same way we eventually saw Sonic appearing on Nintendo platforms.
More x box games is welcome.the new doom should be announced.word up son
Just like Sega, Atari, Intellivision, Lynx….
Looks like they are in the "WiiU" phase now, where publishers are jumping ship xD
With how much Microsoft lose on every Series X sold, they needed the consumers to offset each loss by buying loads of games. Step in Gamepass to totally ruin that tactic. With Series S causing all manner of headache for developers, trying to get the games that are supposed to be ‘next gen’ to run on the stopgap console, that has got to be a headache that many 3rd party developer would not want to suffer. This is just exactly what I thought would happen. PS5 made 2 consoles with zero difference internally (apart from the drive) and that means anyone releasing a PS5 game doesn’t have to mess around trying to get it to work on lower spec consoles (just look at how difficult it was to get Baldurs Gate 3 onto the Xbox consoles). Nope, by the years end I would imagine Starfield will have been announced for PlayStation, a Gears collection will be making its way to PlayStation and the release date of many a 1st party game to PS5 will get shorter and shorter from Xbox release. Probably a good idea, because if Microsoft hold off releasing their ‘AAA’ games around day and date on PlayStation , most people will see their quality seems to lack in comparison to what Sony throws out.
Not good news
Bring em on. I was just debating upgrading to 8tb. As soon as they had that silly Business Podcast, they might as well have waved the white flag. It's a safe bet that all the exclusives are now being built for PS5 compatibility. The new Fallout Complete pack for PC. The new MFS 2024. Etc.
If they are looking for a wishlist, here's my top 5.
-Rare Replay
-Age of Empires
-Gears of War (the rumored compilation pack)
-Starfield
-Forza
This is a bit misleading. The majority of Xbox's "first party" games come from Bethesda and ABK which would have released on PlayStation without Microsoft's meddling. Those games coming to PlayStation (eventually) is the status quo, not Microsoft being generous or anything altruistic like that.
@IndoorEnthusiast I would not be surprised if he's already been told by the Microsoft bosses he is done. But because some people love him unequivocally he is being used to ease this transition for the fans and once the dust clears he'll be sipping cocktails with Jim laughing at the good times they had
It's only 4 games guys, I promise!!!! Phil said so!!!
@ShadowofTwilight very rarely hear glee over psvr2 failing as don't really hear anything about it. That also dosnt effect a lack of competition in the Console market...
Same as you don't see much in the way of articles or people speaking much about Microsoft buying Sony.... Especially not in a serious way
I know every site has tha biased and I'd say push square is probably the most biased (even out of pure Xbox and Nintendo life?) which is fine I still enjoy it but people are ridiculous with the desperation of the down fall of Xbox
@Ravix they're no replacing Phil anytime soon.... Done more for the Xbox brand then most as well for gaming.
KILLER INSTINCT 🔥
They're in the last (3rd) place and yet they make 2 console that need to be supported, no wonder publishers are abandoning xbox now.
Don't get me wrong, I like xbox series s and I think it price is really good but maybe microsoft should just release one console that either more powerful and the same price as ps5, or just release the series s (without x version) and focus on making it way cheaper than ps5. Right now I think microsoft will be in better place if they only have series s that already discounted to $200, or $300 but with 1TB ssd storage.
@EYEBALL Apple was and still is better in every way of creating products and making them work within their ecosystem. Even Google and others have copied the apple way. Steve Jobs was and forever will be a man that had vision beyond his time.
@Stickleman
Suuuuuure you don't love, sure you don't.
Guess I've just imagined the glee on twitter, PureXbox and YouTube then.
I feel like Xbox had all the cards and everything was in place for them this gen. They had leading infrastructure and tech for their GamePass vision, they had the free cash for big acquisitions, they had a capable console with a cheaper alternative for more casual folks entering the gaming sphere, and they had a distinct goal of broadening console gaming to other devices they seem committed to.
There was just one crucial thing missing: the games. A console needs first party exclusive games - to distinguish its brand from the competition, to move consoles, to establish some sort of identity. This is as true today as it was in '95 when the PS1 carved it's way into the market from nothing, with good games and a distinct, edgier, more "adult" marketing approach to distinguish it from Nintendo. They had an angle they worked to get into the market and the good luck for Sega to make some huge business errors in the hardware space.
GamePass is not an identity. It's not enough by itself. GamePass + high-quality, plentiful first party games = Microsoft is the new king of console gaming. They tripped at the finish line. I don't know what omega-level mismanagement has occurred over the past three plus years to result in not a single standout flagship title being released across a multitude of studios, but it needs to get looked at with a critical eye.
No sane person wants Xbox to disappear from the hardware space, as they reign in Sony's less friendly business impulses.
If one pillar of a bridge collapses eventually the rest of the bridge will collapse. PC and cloud gaming are safely on the shore. The home consoles are on the bridge.
I have never even touched an xbox controller, but no matter how garbage they were, having more options/competition is always good.
I think xbox was just fine, but I personally started with Sony and have always stuck with them. Xbox came out with a north american mentality and style that did nothing for me. Whatever exclusives they had did not interest me and most games were on both consoles, so it was an easy choice.
I will happily get the games I wanted (Hellbalde 2, Routine, Tango games, id games, etc), but in the long run there should be another entity in the market.
Nintendo is so far away from what is happening in the gaming market that it's not even funny anymore.
Something needs to happen for the good of the console future.
Damn, the xbox fanboys are turning over in their graves...
Headline should really be in quotes.
At this point it is not fact.
It's almost as though giving away your titles that cost tens and tens of millions of dollars to develop to a dwindling player base for a pittance wasn't the best business strategy. Who could ever have seen THAT coming?!?
@UnlimitedSevens I think MS ran into multiple expected headwinds. The first was Sony fast tracking PS5 far too early SPECIFICALLY to use the momentum of PS4 to prevent XSX from gaining traction. XSX was 2 years old. It barely launched. MS clearly could have run with the previous gen for another 4-5 years. Sony forced them to launch while still licking their Matrick X1 wounds before they were ready in the software space to launch their gen, by launching their own PS5 before THEY were ready either. This crippled Xbox's launch, but at the cost of also crippling the PS5. It launched over-budget with their forced SSD solution just to rush it to market, with most of its games being PS4 games still...I mean STILL, in 2024....
That's one successful strategy Jim did, he crippled Xbox successfully by artificially forcing the generation change before either company was ready, but in a lot of ways, PS got caught in its own splash damage from the attack, and is now suffering as a result, too. And ironically, coupled with the scheduled Pro, opens the door for MS to retaliate with launching the next gen before PS is ready, and possibly hastening he demise of the power console in general in favor of PC/portable/general purpose computing devices. In a lot of ways both platforms are, and will be for another decade contending with the fallout from the imbalance created by Matrick and Nintendo simultaneously blowing last gen with PS partially being a victim of its own success (the outrageous budgets are part of that.)
The other unexpected headwind was due to the sheer momentum of PS4, and the fact that generation launched before it should, MS designed their product around more sophisticated dev methodologies and better use of hardware in new engines. Meanwhile devs just kept making last gen games using last gen engines, and last gen methodologies, which ignored most of those features of MS hardware and made PS5 edge it out due to basically just being a more powerful PS4.
@themcnoisy TBF I haven't seen much on EITHER PS5 or XSX first part that either A) Exists or B) isn't made in a board room with the exception of the direct sequels to Horizing and GoW that started long ago.
All the interesting stuff is third party, and mostly out of Japan. PS locked down Rebirth, which looks better in the PS camp, but really it's been 3rd party Japanese devs carrying both consoles, hard.
@eagletrippin
Are you suggesting they are all dead?
Though that would further explain the falling console sales...
@Darylb88 PC's on the shore. Home consoles are on the bridge. Cloud is doggy paddling while circled by sharks and a whaling boat. Nintendo's in the chopper taking pictures.
Please give me Quantum Break on PS5.
After all the hype was a nothing burger, I will be more skeptical going forward
@MidnightDragonDX
Same here. Obviously we got the four games so far, including Hi-Fi Rush. But before that it was like "Gears of War! Indiana Jones!!" and that didn't turn into anything.
Gonna wait for something more official.
And the end is near for Xbox, it's about time. Hopefully Gears will come to PS5 that's what I'm interested in.
@Vaako007 yes the golden age of consoles died after the 32bit era.
@Bionic-Spencer To be fair most Sony games are low quality too, I mean Rise of the Ronin is a disaster and games like Returnal, Gran Turismo 7, Forspoken, Death Stranding are all terrible games or average at best, and most people hated TLOU2. Helldivers 2 is good at least
The rest of Sony games are just generic open world games, might as well play Assassins Creed Odyssey
Oh well, Microsoft becomes the worlds largest game publisher, and all it cost was giving a middle finger to Xbox players and throwing their console in the trash
Moral of the story: Never buy hardware from Microsoft
PC gaming here we come
To clear something up i own all three consoles (in simpler terms i am not a fan boy of any console)
Unliked take here:
I dont think neither Sony or Microsoft have a future in the home console space.
With econmic problems around the world and the rumored $699 price tag for the PS5 pro (which has no upcoming games from sony may i add), where do they think people can afford this without going into debt, another example is the fact developers are pushing and pushing for AAAA games that people do not have the time too play and with the rumored cost going up to $100, again where do they think people have this sort of money, it doesnt grow on trees believe it or not, in essense i feel that playstations PS Plus PREMIUM has got to the stage of the question is it worth it for the price and can i afford it?
I Feel microsofts instetence of going completly digital with the series s is its achieles heel and limits its capabilties regarding backwards comptability, i also think with the introduction of game pass core (formally XBL Gold) and the two base game passes (console and pc respectively) in addition to ultimate has made the descion of what subscription to buy confusing, if you get someone who doesnt understand the subscriptions and are buying it for someone for the multiplayer, would they buy Xbox Game Pass for console instead of core or ultimate.
Another unliked take upcoming:
Next i feel that the instance on max visuals is going to kill the industry
The mass layoffs across multiple gaming companies including sony and microsoft indicated via high development costs and lower returns.
Video games are meant to be fun, with enjoyable gameplay and excellent frame rate, not the concrntration on the visual quiality making or breaking a game and people following this like lost sheep.
People need to learn if the trajectory continues on this path of increasing visual quiality, leading to increasing prices and lower quality, less enjoyable games with outrageous micro transactions, people need to learn too not accept this or it will become the norm and lead to the only platforms left being PC and Nintendo with newer companies taking the place of Sony and Microsoft.
Let me second this with a further unliked take:
Microsoft and Sony and to some extent even Nintendo (althrough more unlikely) are replaceable, other companies have come and gone from the hardware space the big three are no expection.
However, i do not discount the factor of Sony and Microsoft turning to handhelds rather then home consoles, so they can lower their prices.
@gymratAmarillo na was being straight up with my comment, i was replying to beetlebum who said he prefers achievements over trophies....so hence i said nothing beats the platinum trophy! ive got 180 plats, used to play xbox back in x360 days and achievements TBH are boring, doesn't tell you at a glance how many games youve crushed!
@colonelkilgore
"I actually thought Microsoft’s decision to aggressively buy up the big third party publishes would’ve eventually worked ie. convinced the vast majority of PlayStation and Switch users to jump ship."
I always thought it was more of a knee-jerk reaction as PS was pumping out top quality exclusives while Xbox's hits were few and far between. And the games that were kept off PS by said deals were not world beaters so no reason for anyone to jump ship as there were still better options and more to look forward to on the PS. It was always going to fail, was just a matter of how long!
@Gameronmp il also add to this that are people really happy to keep game prices increasing (regardless of the platform) when will it stop $100, $150? $200+?, will prople eventually stop buying xbox and playstation when the price is $800 per console? Why do people think Sega Saturn failed so badly?, the overpriced cost (for the time) compared to everyone else (and yes there was the complexity to program on it for third parties)
Another unliked take:
Personally, i think if the Switch 2 is within the price of $400 too $450 with a good selection of games at a resonable price, i think it will be the most successful console of the next generation.
As the current path both microsoft and sony are heading on will simply make the hobby of video gaming on these consoles unsustainable for the average consumer due to econmic pressures and cost, while also making their games unsustainable by cost and what the consumer can pay.
@slayernz
"I always thought it was more of a knee-jerk reaction as PS was pumping out top quality exclusives while Xbox's hits were few and far between."
Nothing you say makes any logical sense....yes Microsoft knee jerked an $8 billion purchase of Zenimax and a $70B purchase of ABK because of....consoles.....sure nevermind that they've said numerous times that this was for growth in the mobile and PC market but yeah this was a knee jerk reaction to PS outselling Xbox even though they were outselling Xbox since like 2013
But sure, no long term planning or strategy, just Satya and Phil woke up one day and decided to buy ABK /sarcasm
@Ergoshotz Personal opinions can differ from person to person and you are entitled to it. Not sure I agree with anything you said however apart from Forspoken, but Sony didn’t make that game. I personally wouldn’t choose any game that Xbox have over any of Sonys first party studio outputs, but that is my personal opinion.
@The_ghostmen I have TV tuner in my TV. 😆 Even more funny i watch so little TV now i could live without it and the younger generations a lot of them dont even wwtch traditional TV anymore.
@UnlimitedSevens Gamepass is and will be unsustainable especially with that price. And come on your firstparty titles for free on Gamepass on day one is stupid.
A great way to kill your extra profit double so with the to low subscriptions fee. And if you want to make it even worse take away the option for third party developers to make any money on your platform.
Also another problem is you have pressure to finish your games before thet leave the service. Games or not the same as series of movies in Netflix and more doesn't always mean its better.
@Intr1n5ic couldn’t agree more. All you hear is they can scale downwards making it sound like the devs just press a button. We all know this isn’t how things work
@Flaming_Kaiser back in the day i watched tv for south park now.
Ever since 2016 i kicked out the tv tuner and choose what i watch.
Much better no more lies and crap.
Outside of cartmans smelly farts.
@Bez87 Gamepass will be something that doesn't make really happy seeing players wait for it to release on Gamepass instead of buying it and losing even more profit on their products.
Like so many people, I'm not surprised that Microsoft has Failed so badly on the Hardware side of things, and now is Turning to Software to try and turn things around.
The Beginning of the End Started after the Great success of the Popular 360, and then they mucked things up with Xbox one, with it Being Always connected, and the constant praising of the Power of X-Cloud, and it went straight downhill from there, because Microsoft went and tried to Force the Far Out Future of Digital Game Downloads and Game Streaming, Into the then "Current World of Gaming", which had much Slower Download Speeds, along with more unstable connections and they somehow thought it was a good idea to pursue?
Why did they go for it, especially since Internet Connections and Speeds were so much Poorer back then? (I then had only 12Mbs downloading speed, which in my area was Fast at the time, versus 1,200Mbs now...What a difference!)
One word, shortsighted (Greed), they strictly did it because it would be a much more Profitable Future for them to reach for, if it worked, even though its totally contrary to what the actual Gamers wanted, and to what the actual Technology and Average Internet speeds could support at that time.
Again, I can see it in my mind, after what I can only assume at the time was thought to be a Magnificent Brainstorming Session in the Microsoft Boardroom about the future of Xbox and All the Money they could make with a little less physical media in the wild and everyone forced to be tied into their ecosystem through X-Cloud, and then the next thing you know, what can only be called an abysmal Xbox One Launch happens, and so that's when essentially Sony quickly Ate there Lunch, as quickly as Sony Reps handed over that PS4 Game to Share onstage at E3, and the Xbox Brand has been going Downhill ever since, all because they tend to Force their Own Vision above and Over their customers own Ideas of what they Really Want things to be like in gaming (and tried to force a drastic market change, instead of reading the direction of the "then current market Pre-2013"), and here we are talking about their demise as Hardware makers...
It's a shame that they were so short sighted, because competition benifits everyone...
Happy Gaming ✌!
@Ergoshotz well it sure has been a great long term strategy from MS! Basically running the Xbox division into the ground, but who cares about those gamers right, because they can just go play on their phone....lol
Good news for me cause now I don't need to buy an Xbox to play whatever id releases. I hope it also includes the Fallout remakes...
Ok everyone, I know some of us have a console warrior mindset, and you might be like "yaay we win!!" But...we do not win. This is in fact, pretty terrible news if it's true.
Sony has been great overall, I would argue that their run may be better than even Nintendo's. But one problem they have had over the years is this: whenever they feel like they're running unopposed, they become absolute JERKS. with Microsoft officially out of the way, you can get ready for PS6 at $600-$650 MINIMUM, another game price hike, DRM left and right (yep same thing they made fun of Microsoft for, they would ABSOLUTELY do if they could). Basically with no competition, Sony will feel like they can do whatever they want. Microsoft was never really great competition for Sony, but they are rich enough and pesky enough that Sony has had to at least pretend to give a crap about their customers. No matter how big of a Sony fan you are, you should probably pray that Microsoft sticks around.
@slayernz damn when you put it like that platinum trophies sound even better
@colonelkilgore I don't think long enough has passed since Bethesda or Activision purchases for the games there to reflect of Microsoft input good or bad. As many people like to discredit them for hi fi rush being great but blame them for things like redfall.
I personally don't want a 1 console world and I'm sure 3rd party developers don't either. Possibly one of the only reasons they do still go to Xbox. If Sony is all there is then they set the terms for sales.
Sony has a horrible system for digital sales. They control everything. No purchasing game codes at discounts anywhere not even through the developers themselves. One of the most underrated reasons that Xbox is so hugely digital in sales. I own all 3 consoles and a gaming laptop and I know on day 1 release I can buy the same game on Xbox for you to 20% cheaper via download codes
@armondo36 absolutely agree. The playstation of now is not the playstation of the past. This part of Sony is a western company and behaves it every bit msft does.
They have ridden the coattails of a fantastic generation of games and followed up with (in my opinion) safe, formulaic, sequels and remasters and will continue to do so outside of some outliers by their studios with the sway to get their way a little.
🤣 didn't we already have this story a few weeks ago? One unsubstantiated leak and all the 'in the knows' predicting the death of Xbox. And turns out it was a few games being ported. Some of the comments on this site were embarrassing - juvenile gloating. And for nothing. And here we are again - another unsubstantiated comment from a not particularly respected journalist and it's the death of Xbox again. Some more games will be ported. We all know that. But we know nothing else. Xbox will be around for the foreseeable and that's clearly a good thing for the industry as a whole. Some of you should spend more time playing games and less time reading nonsense from 'in the knows' on Twitter. You'd not even realise this console wars rubbish still existed.
MS lost me as a customer when they alienated their hardcore audience they originally catered for and went all in with Kinect.
Their disasterous xbone launch solidified that and I’ve never looked back.
@armondo36
I Totally agree with you, I've had every PlayStation Console, but I also had the 360, and Microsoft went downhill from there, and I was always hoping that they would get their Act together, but if they EVER actually leave the "Classic Home Console Hardware" side of things, and Mainly focus on Software only, we're ALL going to suffer from the Void left behind from the Lack of Competition, and I think Sony's going to get Medevil with ALL their Pricing, from Consoles to Software....Not Good...in Fact it's Pretty Scary Prospect.
Happy Gaming ✌!
@Northern_munkey Not true. Dedicated hardware is almost irrelevant at this point. The only thing you'll have is a hard drive that plugs in to your TV. If you're lucky you'll get a bespoke controller.
Everything will be an app to play the games you want to play.
Xbox will be an app. PlayStation will be an app. Nintendo will be an app.
EA and Ubisoft already have theirs.
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@Scrubchub
I agree that they aren't (immediately) leaving the Hardware side of things, and their on record as stating that their Proper Next Gen Console will be the Largest Technical Leap seen in a Generation, so people need to curb Microsoft's Immediate Doom.
But what their doing by allowing ANY of their First Party Software on a Direct Competitor's Console is unprecedented, and does throw a Major Flag up to a possible Future with them focusing on what they've always stated their future vision has always been, "A Future where Your Able to Play(Stream) Games Anywhere and Everywhere through the Power of X-Cloud" aka...AZURE, and you Don't need any Specific Hardware to do that...aka Game Pass Everywhere, and Now they make this unprecedented move, so you've got to admit, it does legitimately make people (at the very least) concerned about Microsoft's Future in the "Classic Home Console Hardware Business" that Directly Competes with Sony's Consoles, and that's with you even taking into account that it's not necessarily the Immediate future, but it may well be off into their near Future.
So it is Scary for people to think about a Future where Sonys not being kept in check by ANY Real Competition.
Happy Gaming ✌!
@Kierant202 I thought it was just me lol. Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and Horizon Forbidden West in particular are fine games that Sony went out of their way to make as safe as possible, and my God the river of remakes....!
@__jamiie okay buddy 👍
I just want Hellblade 2
@LifeGirl and the new person in charge at PlayStation has already stated they are going to pursue a more aggressive approach in releasing exclusives to PC.
I hope MS stays in the race for the next console generation, without them we will get warped back in time to hear statements like:
You want to buy the ps3, get a second job or gamepad rumble features are so last generation.
I can deal without.
@Stickleman good, it's bad for developers.
@3Above @3Above it's not an end but a new beginning consoles are becoming obsolete there is no growth doesnt mean gaming is ending
@Toot1st I was referring to Xbox specifically. Consoles arent dying, this debate get regurgitated every generation.
It's a shame there aren't really any Xbox exclusive that I'd want to play. To think I used to be a real xbone fanboi once upon a time.
@Turion kinda funny that you never liked Xbox for its perceived "American-ness" while Playstation has been dominated by their American division more and more.
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Long time coming.
@IndoorEnthusiast Nice Britta reference
@3Above nobody says they are dying they just have no growth
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