
There’s a lot of talk on social media this week about the number of gamers still using their PS4 consoles. Sony announced during its latest earnings call that it had shipped 59.3 million PS5 consoles. However, the PSN as a whole has around 118 million monthly active users, meaning at least half are still playing on PS4. (Although a very small proportion of the numbers will be occupied by PS3 and PS Vita as well.)
This has, as is so often the case on social media, led to an outpouring of overwhelming negativity. Many feel gamers aren’t transitioning to PS5 because of its lack of exclusive games, with a large proportion of major titles like EA Sports FC, Fortnite, and Call of Duty Warzone still perfectly playable on the last-gen console. We’re sure it’s a factor.
However, it’s always been the case that there’s a steady transition from one system to the next. For example, PS2 sold a ton of units after the release of PS3, and was still supported long into its successor’s life cycle. It’s true that the PS3 died a relatively quick death in comparison, but this was more down to Sony’s desire to move on from a device which had proved challenging to develop for (and a very long generation).
The platform holder has repeatedly reiterated that it’s working to transition players from PS4 to PS5, but it won’t necessarily be concerned with these numbers. The most important thing is that it’s keeping gamers in its ecosystem, and until it can bring the price of PS5’s hardware down – it’s still very expensive compared to the PS4 at the same point in its lifecycle – then we’re likely to see a lot of players continuing to play on last-gen hardware.
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I'm waiting for the PS5 Pro myself, just like I did during the PS4 era.
This likely is NOT true, he is misinterpreting the data. He is comparing apples to oranges, console sales with monthly active users. You can have multiple users on every console. I have two accounts I regularly use for example, and plenty of people have families which use their PS5, each with their own account.
But I agree plenty of people haven’t upgraded, it just isn’t as high as he states.
I am not surprised, the Playstation 5 is still too expensive for so many.
60000 Yen in Japan and that's 20% of a starting salary. Europe is also suffering under heavy inflation so I can see those users sticking with the PS4 until GTA6
@themightyant
Saved me having to type that, thanks.
How many are younger people with hand-me-down old consoles playing free to play games like Fortnite, with little to zero knowledge of anything beyond that?
I can’t imagine there is much more than 50 million so called mid/hardcore gamers.
Outside of the performance improvements there's basically been no reason to upgrade as pretty much every game has been cross gen anyway. How many genuine exclusives (not on last gen or PS3) does the PS5 really have? 10 maybe.
This isn't just a Playstation problem either, when I think of the games I've enjoyed across platforms that aren't available on last gen hardware, it amounts to Astro Bot, Ratchet & Clank, Starfield and Robocop. Even Nintendo have had to prop up Switch with remakes and Wii U ports
I will upgrade for GTA 6. Other than that, sorry, I have genuinely seen no reason to. We are five years into this console generation and most of its exclusives STILL look like high-end PS4 games. You cannot say that about any of the previous generations of PlayStation.
The PS5 is Sony's worst console to date in terms of its value and I will die on this hill.
for me theres not alot of games that are ps5 only. You can play most games still on ps4
Waiting for gta 6 to see if ps5 pro comes out. Currently on xbox series s/ps4 pro and don't think gta can run good enough on series s.
This sounds like the most normal thing in the world and something that has likely happened every single gen. God knows why people want to turn everything into some sort of meaningful negative.
This is something where you must be an active twitter user to get upset about it.
Don’t tell any of them that i still use my psp, vita, ps2 and ps3 🤫
I'm still with my 9 years old og PS4.
These past 3 years was quite rough for my financial because of covid and some other thing. But now things get a bit better which i can save some money for a PS5 slim as well FF XVI, Rebirth, Returnal, Ratchet, Death Stranding 2, etc. Maybe early next year i can buy a PS5 + games.
Most people i know still haven't upgraded but they mostly play CoD Fifa or free to play games. Doesn't help that there's not been a price cut yet either it's still too expensive for a lot of people.
People say "no games" while forgetting the PS5 saw 4 exclusives this so far 3 of which can only be played on the PS5 only. People also forget it was the later years before the PS4 started seeing 2-3 big exclusives each year.
@DennisReynolds I agree, although there's a difference between an exclusive and a system seller, of course.
GTA6 will be the turning point.
@LifeGirl Spidey 2, Stellar Blade, Alan Wake 2, Returnal, Ratchet and Clank, Lords of the Fallen, Robocop, Tekken 8, Dragons Dogma 2 (more for the RT lightning what is stunning), Dead Space Remake, Avatar, Demons Souls Remake, Baldur's Gate 3, Everspace 2 and more all look incredible and are far above 99% of PS4 games. Hell even the PS5 version of Horizon 2 looks a whole gen better compared to the PS4 version.
@nocdaes True but the point is there's plenty of current gen games now, cross gen releases are becoming rare now and have been since last year.
I'm waiting for the Pro version.
Also lack of first party. There's no denying with that
@DennisReynolds Yep, it actually suggests the issue isn't the games (although GTA6 absolutely will have a huge impact).
The worry is that Xbox sales are way lower too... so either people are content with just a Switch or the industry has lost a lot of players.
That most new games have been cross gen vastly reduced the need to upgrade to a PS5. The PS4 and PS3 had some cross gen, but much less.
For some, like me, the PS5 was in some ways a downgrade from the PS4. I'm talking ui, no web browser, no folders, no themes, no USB saves, the storage issues, no in game zooming, and other features.
Overall for me I would have updated for just the faster load times and improved performance of my existing library. However the 5 is big and ugly with missing features, and with few must have PS5 only games. I have kept rocking with my now 7 year old PS4 Pro. Also my 2009 PS3 slim for some games like replays of The Saboteur and Fallout 3 and with the dlc.
Sorry, but nobody HAS to upgrade.
Many will for GTA 6, but if you are an average console gamer, than your PS4 still delivers you a good experience (60 fps at good resolutions with acceptable loading times) with FC, CoD, Minecraft, Roblox and many more.
I'm still happy on my PS4. I doubt I'll upgrade until the end of the ps5 cycle and the ps6 has been announced. I've done this with every playstation. I then just cherry pick what I want to play from a huge library of games that are usually a lot cheaper too.
Maybe they shouldn't had released miles morales, sackboy, horizon forbidden west, god of war Ragnarok, kena on the PS4. I understand why they did, but it made the PS5 irrelevant from the start, they should have sticked with what they said about believing in generations. It would made the PS5 the console you wanted en needed, instead of the console: but we can also play this game on PS4, so I wait for a price cut console.
It's a normal thing to happen after each generation ends that the new games are only released on the newer console. The graphical differences weren't that different enough yet for buyers to want that next console instead of the one they owned, especially if the same game gets released on both. It really made the PS5 less a must have in the first years.
got both set up use the ps4 as it as games folders and got 100s of games on external hard drive
Well, not much of analysis here.
1. They compare actual ps5 outthere and ps4 in psn. Ok but not every ps4 is in psn. So, potentialy there are more so bigger amout of people for upgrade.
2. Many wait for ps5 pro, I would if i was one of them.
3. Xbox is dying so expect those guys to jump ships too.
Still running a PS4 Pro (very quiet 72xx series) and I also have a PS5 (12xx series) and to be honest I prefer the old stager - the UI and OS are just much better and I even prefer the DS4 controller, both aesthetically and ergonomically. As for load times, I solved a lot of the issue by sticking a £50 Crucial 6GB/s SSD in place of the stock HDD and it slashes load times.
As for the figures, 59 million PS5 units sold (max) and PS active users stands at 118 million per month. That's half the users are on a PS5. Yes, some will be a PS5 that's being used by more than one subscriber, though the same argument to say that half those users are on a PS4 with multiple accounts?
By those numbers, yes, half are probably still on PS4 (assume they're not counting PS3 or Vita at all now?) and given my experiences so far, there's a limited reason to 'upgrade'.
Cross-gen is a huge contributing factor as to why I consider the PS5 to be the most disappointing PlayStation ever.
Unless you really care about frames and the perks you get from using an OLED, there is very little reason to upgrade.
Can't blame them, I brought the PS5 in the first week and it is the biggest waste of money, there has really been nothing ground breaking or special this generation, nothing has stood out as truly next gen, and I think a big reason for that is cross gen, hopefully the PS5 Pro brings some proper next gen games
I own a PS5, but I could happily still be using a PS4. I got out my old PS4 Slim recently and tried games like Resident Evil 4, Diablo IV, The Callisto Protocol, Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth and Persona 3 Reload because I was curious to see how well they played and I was pleasantly surprised.
Frankly they haven't missed much, IMHO. As has been the case with every console generation dating back to the NES and Sega Master System, I own all the major platforms (PS5, XBox Series X, and Switch...which really counts as previous gen); I have to say that in terms of truly must-play games, especially first-party, this is the worst I've ever seen.
Just my personal take, mind you, but I think it has much to do with so many titles now announced literally years before release and all too often releasing in glorified beta states full of bugs, glitches, and so much content and features (especially if they're new installments of long-running franchises) left on the cutting room floor and/or later offered as DLC. The industry has simply become too greedy, and the focus on maximizing system power to provide some sort of cinematic eye-candy has outstripped that of making tight, mechanically sound, and most importantly FUN games. You wonder why so many developers routinely get axed and hundreds of staff laid off nowadays, that's the biggest reason; just as subscription models and online-centric games have quietly done, everything now is simultaneously ultra-expensive and yet disposable. Fewer games are being made with offline replay value, let alone ones that will stand the test of time. Sony even left PSVR2 buyers twisting in the wind after making only Horizon:Call of the Mountain to give it first-party support, but of course they now want PS5 owners to upgrade mid-gen to another piece of $500 hardware that, thanks to subscription models, a lot of gamers won't actually own anything on and their experiences are gated and controlled from the other end.
Incidentally, I still find that my Switch sees far more actual play time than my PS5 and Series X combined. It offers more variety, quality, and especially first-party games that carry value and longevity. And perhaps ironically and counter to so much of the industry's emphasis, many of its titles still look and play "like videogames" as opposed to interactive movies.
Again, just my personal take. Not saying there aren't any truly great games this console generation, but I've soured on the industry as a whole. It's stolen the innocence of the hobby that I fell in love with four decades ago, the one whose industry was humbled by the lessons of the Great Crash during the mid-1980s and had to restore the faith of consumers. Those lessons seem long forgotten now.
I had to do something on a ps4 recently.... for the quality of life alone, the ps5 is worth it. Aside from being able to afford a ps5, you've gotta be a complete dunce not to have one.
I don't get those who say you barely get any improvements over the PS4. Sure, it's nothing revolutionary, but a combination of factors makes the overall experience so much better that I couldn't ever imagine going back to the PS4.
Everyone's value equation is different and whether the improvements are enough to justify the cost is for each to decide, but saying they aren't there is something I can't agree with.
The lack of PS5 exclusives is a simple reason for this.
Evidence shows that most people aren’t bothered about 60fps or 4K, so for them why upgrade?
I'm still on PS4. The majority of the big PS5 games that excited me have also came to PS4 or PC. That's starting to change now. Fewer games are coming to PS4 these days, and my ageing PC will struggle to run the latest big games.
But at this point, I'm tempted to hold off, and see what the PS6 brings to the table. Graphics are generally a fairly low priority for me, instead it's the exclusives that affect whether I buy a console.
Don't understand why you wouldn't upgrade and enjoy PS5 games like GoW Ragnarok, Forbidden West and Miles Morales. They obviously don't believe in generations
@Anzac Why not just get a PS5 4 years ago and then upgrade to a Pro like a normal person lol. With that logic you might as well wait for PS7.
I can understand why, this has definitely been the dullest generation for me...PS3 era we had not one, but two GTA's! Uncharted was introduced which blew me away. COD was great back in this era. Then PS4, just wow...the Witcher 3! Last of Us Part 2, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne, PS4 gen was a staggering era in terms of breadth and quality. PS5 era represents a deafeningly quiet Sony, relying on third parties to bolster their meagre first party schedule. I mostly play PS4 games still, which speaks volumes. It started fairly exciting with Demons Souls remake and Returnal but that magic is non-existent for me now, compounded everytime another remake or remaster is announced from SIE. Where is the innovation and excitement of past generations...
Let's not forget that COVID had a massive impact on sales numbers, so a big proportion of those active users will be players that don't play as regularly and thus have no reason to upgrade to a PS5. We are only talking 2 years ago.
Isn't the sales data showing that PS5 is only slightly trending behind PS4 numbers at the same stage of its life. Rather than a negative, you could just as easily put a positive spin on things that DESPITE recessions and less disposable cash, PS5 is still hanging in there or there abouts. Sure, it won't please the Shareholders given the rising costs of development, so squeezed margins, but in raw numbers of active users I don't think this is anything to be concerned about
As it is, as a day 1 adopter of PS5, I dont regret my decision (paticularly as final fantasy is traditionally my favourite series), but I do have to say that whilst I have LOVED previous consoles, I only 'like' my PS5 currently. Perhaps that's my age, or perhaps it's because games increasingly feel like they have been designed by commitee to pad out play time as much as poss.
As an example, even though I'm really enjoying FF7 Rebirth, my goodness the open world padding is way over the top and ends up detracting from the main game.
Don't get me wrong though, I do love the QOL features PS5 brings to the table - particularly the dualsense. And I'm not overly concerned about number of games releasing - I don't have enough time to play what I already have - the games will come in time (hopefully when they are ready). I do want to see an increase out of Sony first party though as we enter the midpoint of PS5' life. I am more than ready for Ghost of Tsushima 2.
As others have said, GTA6 will be the tipping point that makes more people transition to PS5. With COD a shadow of what it once was, nothing else will come close to being that game that drives change amongst more 'casual' game fans
I love an Insomniac game, so would have had to upgrade to PS5 to play the newest Ratchet and Spiderman. But the speed of the console made the upgrade from PS4 instantly worth it for me
Honestly, I don't understand the "generation never started" arguments.. over the last generation graphics have evolved far enough that further x2 jumps will never feel as groundbreaking as during PS1/2 era. If anything PC owners should be very familiar with this (basically last 4 years of GPUs are iterative and in total don't represent a shocking visual bump unless you are on DF team).
It might be time to stop thinking about traditional generations and start thinking about continuous experience provided by ongoing ecosystem.
And Sony probably doesn't mind as those 50% still using PS4 are:
EDIT: I understand my first line might read a bit wrong. Comment is targeted at people who dispute reasoning to upgrade "as generation has never started" when in fact it has, I just think future generations will be shorter, less groundbreaking, and not mandatory upgrades. Waiting on a world-shattering release event that is not going to happen as the nature of the generation is changing.
The PS5 is definitely the most underwhelming PlayStation I've ever owned. I boxed away my PS4 Pro when I got my PS5 around a year after launch and apart from PSVR2, there's pretty much no reason for me to own one.
I've even recently set my PS3 up again in my living room because it's more fun to play. I recently bought Puppeteer and have had way more fun with that than anything on PS5.
I'm still in the PS4 camp. As a matter of fact, playing Cyberpunk 1.0 on PS4 Slim these days and having somewhat vicious fun.
I don't see myself upgrading any time soon. First, there's still not a single PS5 game that even remotely interests me (we have Horizon: Forbidden West on PS4, so we're covered). DS2 might be something, but it might be anything, to be honest. While PS4 still has enormous library of great games.
Second, paying $600 for a faster loading times in the same games is not a purchase I would consider reasonable.
I believe, Sony in a sense is a prisoner of its own success. PS4 has been so good, there's not a lot of reasons to buy PS5 even four years into new generation.
@carlos82
Spider-Man 2, Returnal, Ratchet and Clank: Rift apart, Rise of the Ronin, Stellar Blade, Helldivers 2, Dragons Dogma 2, FFXVI, FFVII Rebirth, [Demons souls Remake], Plague Tale: Requiem, Hi-Fi Rush, Remnant 2, Alan Wake II, Baldur’s Gate 3, Deathloop, Ghostwire Tokyo, Talos Principle 2, Sea of Thieves, Forspoken, Cyberpunk 2077(effectively), Banishers: Ghosts of New Eden, Robocop: Rogue City, Sker Ritual, Suicide Squad, Lords of the Fallen, Pacific Drive, Wild Hearts.
I’m sure there’s more
@MrBook I’ve got PS5 and PS3 hooked up. Use the 3 for my PS1 games . Love a bit of Broken Sword now and again… “dont shoot!, I’m innocent, I’m an American!”.. “ehhh can’t make up your mind eh?”… god I love those games 😁
@thefourfoldroot1 @themightyant
Unfortunately you can't jump in and say that multiple users can negate this. There are still likely large amounts of people who have a PS5 who also still use their PS4.
So there is still no way of knowing how many PS4s are still active, only SONY will know.
Heck i still use my PS3 most days, along with my 4 and 5
All we know the absolute maximum is 59.3 million, though this is not true. Multiple console owners, consoles in transint, in shops, broken, unused. The 59.3 is shipped not active.
So i would personally say that the PS4 user base could still be higher than that of the PS5. Hence why so many games are still being made for it.
If I'm being honest, upgrading hardware is always my least favorite part of gaming. I realize it's still a necessary part of the hobby but I won't give anyone trouble for sticking with the previous generation as long as they are still happy with it.
Hardware upgrades, no matter if your talking console or PC, is the most expensive part of the hobby. And when you take into account the economic reality of today I get why people would consider sticking with what they got.
I have a PS5 and a Switch but I have no intentions of upgrading to either the PS5 Pro or the Switch 2. I'm currently happy with my PS5 and I have found that I simply don't play my Switch enough to warrant spending $300+ on something I don't play very often. Plus, being a JRPG player primarily these days, outside of FF7 Rebirth everything I would be interested in for that genre are still available on PS4 so really I probably could've kept rocking the PS4 in hindsight.
I was a year late getting my PS5 as I couldn't get one at launch. I wasn't overly fussed. Now I've had one for a while and, to be honest, I wouldn't be disappointed if I hadn't got one.
Lack of new first-party titles has certainly been a factor as far as I'm concerned, along with too much focus on remastering titles that really didn't need it.
But also, in my personal opinion, the PS4 Pro has been a huge factor, in a negative way. Loading times aside, PS5 doesn't feel like that big a leap from the PS4 Pro. I also don't feel that PS5 has been pushed far enough or consistently enough to warrant a PS5 Pro (something I read recently that many devs also feel), and I'd much rather Sony scrapped it and focused on a powerhouse PS6 in a few more years... something with enough of a leap to make it feel absolutely unmissable. I fear a PS5 Pro will similarly eat into the wow-factor of PS6, leaving many feeling underwhelmed, as it seems many do with PS5.
@MrBook yeah Tobal is rare man. My rarest is either Chocobo Racing or Ergheiz. Both Final Fantasy spin off titles. I believe chocobo racing is fetching £250 for a mint copy these days. I’m sure Tobal is similar value if not more
I bought a second hand ps5 with 4tb extra ssd and a bunch of cool games a couple of months ago. I got it because it was a really good deal and I really wanted to play GOW ragnarok, Alan wake 2 and Burning Shores DLC. If this one would have slipped by me I'd still happily been playing on my good old Ps4 Slim.
@ChrisDeku OK a few more and that's including a lot of games released very recently and a PS3 remake, plus Sea of Thieves which was on last gen consoles (albeit Xbox), but still not many considering we're 3 and a half years in. This is certainly the year where this gen seemingly starts properly but it's certainly been disappointing for the first 3 years
@PuppetMaster
Returnal, Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and VII Remake Rebirth and FFXVI are absolutely amazing.
Hope Hogwarts Legacy is in your list to get as well the haptic feedback so incredible I love hearing spells being used in the controller whether it’s yours, an NPC’s or an enemies.
The adaptive triggers are so good for Returnal and Rift Apart
I own both a PS4 and PS5.
Haven’t upgraded a single game yet due to the storage space being so terrible
Since my backlog, and games I enjoy playing again and again, is so huge, this is the first time I don't have a current gen console. I'm still buying plenty of games for ps4 and even some for last gen consoles.
I will probably buy a ps5 at the far end of his life span, hopefully a slim revision.
@MrBook
Yeah I think so there’s the complete edition but not sure if it upgrades from every version of it though
300-400€$ would have been a better launch price. The hardware wasn't anything exciting at launch anyways. As I always say, this has been the most useless generation. From 1-4 there were huge leaps in graphical fidelity and gameplay evolutions and now we're all pissing around about framerates, Res and hardly noticeable ray tracing.
Still have my PS4 but don't play it since PS5 plays PS4. Pretty much just boot up PS4 to update it these days but everytime I do I kinda miss it in a way, the DualShock4 and all those PS4 gaming memories. 2014 to 2022 on PS4 such a great time and will go down as one of my favourite consoles no doubt about that
Im still using my ps4 pro.and the games and the graphics are still amazing.im enjoying my ps4 pro.and i got a lot of games to play.my backlog of games is huge.word up son
Like others have said, I am now waiting for the PS5 Pro, which I will buy day one. In the meantime, I have so many PS4 games to play on my PS4 Pro, I don't really need a new console in all honesty. Having said that, I am still massively positive about what's coming out on PS5. Really looking forward to playing Alan Wake II, Rebirth and Baldur's Gate III, plus loads of other titles.
Conversion rate never is 100%, anything above 50% is a win.
Also, PS4 still has support from a lot of devs and PS5 still hasn't received a killer app, things might change next year or in 2026.
@Cutmastavictory I had a similar experience recently.
I can't remember what I was doing, but I fired up my PS4 Pro to do something.
The changes may not seem like much, but to me using PS4 after PS5 felt like trying to run in deep water.
Plus, I've never had a backlog of new games like the one I have now.
I don't buy consoles until I can get them for under $350 CAD, that's my personal rule (only exception to the rule is rare consoles that I want but also know that the price will never be cheap on). So chances are in 10 years, I can finally pick up a used PS5 (even then I'll still be keeping and using my PS4, simply because I very much like it). And I don't mind that one bit.
@TheMysticOne
The number of accounts that is a second or more, on PS5s (with the ps5 being shared by multiple accounts in other words) is much more, I’m willing to bet, than the number of broken or in transit consoles. But, I can’t prove that, so it’s just an opinion ultimately. Although an opinion based on decades of me and most people I know owning consoles and having families.
Probably trying to decide whether to go PC or PS5.
They don't want to become framerate snobs. It happened to me after only 2 PS5 games. It's a problem.
I'm not concerned. Personally, I only picked up the PS5 so I didn't have to hear the migraine-inducing jet mode my PS4 was so fond of launching if you so much as pressed pause.
I still have my PS4 pro, but I don't really use it anymore. Don't plan on getting a PS5, anytime soon.
I wish I never did. No reason to have!
@Dragoon1994 I'm sorry but i'm not a fans of Harry Potter. I watched the first and second movie years ago and then watched a bit of Fantastic Beast but i never feel the series is really interesting. It's just not my cup of tea. So, Hogwarts Legacy isn't on my buying list.
I've enjoyed my ps5. I wanted the faster load times. It has given me much more game time as I have limited time to play. Nothing has wowed me as for games on this console vs last, but many fantastic games have come out and I just get to play them a bit faster.
@MrBook yeah defo and also PS2 has an insane library.
@PuppetMaster
Ah I see I’m not really a HP fan but I absolutely love Hogwarts Legacy
I mean for most people there isn't a reason. Namely, a console seller. It will probably change with GTA6.
@Mikey856 More beer over here!
Why make the transition when games continue(d) to be cross-gen with many games not having a noticeable benefit in many cases. Had a majority of games went PS5 only in 2022 it would be a different story. I'm not sure I would have upgraded if I had known 4 years later that I'd be able to play a majority of new games on PS4.
I mean.. should they? Most games are still available on PS4, or on PC.. and quite frankly, the PS5 itself isn't worth it. Sure, R&C Rift Apart was fantastic, but I struggle to find a game on the system that I enjoyed just as much.
Meanwhile, on the PS4, I enjoyed: Uncharted 4, Infamous Second Son, Knack (Yes, really!), Gravity Rush, Mass Effect Legendary Edition and many other titles. There's simply no veriety anymore on the PS5, it's all generic open world (jrpg) or cinematic superhero games. Damn shame what happend to Sony. Oh well, maybe they'll recover... someday. Until then i'm perfectly contend to keep replaying my PS4 games
Sony has worked hard to make sure PS4 and PC owners feel included in the ecosystem.
The thing is, if I'm already included, why do I need new hardware?
The PS5 feels very skippable, so I'm skipping it.
I also think the PS4 was successful enough and has a big enough library that a lot of people who don't necessarily need the hot new thing every year will be content with it through the majority of this console generation.
As long as Fortnite, Apex, Warzone, etc. are still supported on PS4, there is no point for these people to upgrade.
People in the comments section forget that they are a minority of a minority of consumers: about 20% of the sales for a console are the "core" group, and only a small % of that 20% are people commenting on gaming websites.
The rest are budget-conscious casuals playing Fortnite, etc. who don't need to upgrade because...there isn't a point.
@NoCode23 ps5 doesn't have the ps + [ ] zoom? What a terrible accessibility feature to remove. I rely on that more than I'd like to admit as devs decided tiny text was the way forward. I'm not even someone with a disability, my eyes are just crap!
Thats wild to me. They are definitely missing out. PS4 seems so archaic now. 😄
Well, I play on my PS5 most, but it's usually PS4 games as they run better than on the PS4 pro.
I occasionally boot up my PS4 pro because the PS5 likes to hide PS4 games that are also PS5 games. It's good to check the 4 because you'll miss out on double trophy lists.
The vita is used occasionally, last week I bought an uncharted game.
The fat PS3 that plays all the PS2 and PS1 games I have, sits next to the PS5, wondering what it's done wrong. But at least it's not in a cupboard like my PS1's.
I have a UK and an USA PS2, but that gets used for Gitarooman and dance games with a mat controller.
Even as a day 1 PS5 owner, and owner of three PS5's, I still wouldn't push the PS5 on someone who is still happy with their PS4
Reading some comments who looks like they had buyers remorse and doesn't used their PS5 anymore, man, i would love if one of you donate your PS5 to me so my money can just go straight for buying games lol.
@Dragoon1994 I think some of my friends owned Hogwarts Legacy on PS5. So, i could borrow their copy and check if i'm gonna enjoyed the game or not.
Haven’t seen anyone else mention this so I’ll add it now.
As of April 2023 (so a year ago) only 2/3 of the US own a 4k tv. While I haven’t tried it myself, how much better do dual release PS4/5 games look on a non-4k tv, HD or SD?
https://thestreamable.com/news/nearly-66-percent-of-americans-own-a-4k-tv-but-is-there-enough-4k-content-to-make-it-worthwhile
Sure gamers aren’t typical consumers and most probably have a 4k tv but I bet there’s a good chunk of PS4 owners who haven’t upgraded to a PS5 who also haven’t upgraded to a 4K tv. 🤷🏻♂️
I bought an HD tv when I bought my PS3 (Wii games looked horrible on it) and a 4k tv when I bought my PS5.
If you can’t afford a 4k tv you probably can’t afford a PS5, and you probably don’t need it, except for missing out on a handful of games.
I upgraded to PS4 Pro Pro by accident, in the form of a gift. Was planning on going to PC for a bit, but not sure I’ll buy the PS4 Pro Pro Pro.
I'm on PS5, but aside from Demon's Souls, Returnal, and Elden ring (60fps) I could still be on PS4. I'd understand why people haven't upgraded yet due to economic woes.
I can understand the disappointment of people who are following closely the gaming Art. In the past, each new console generation was a revolution both in terms of tech hardware and games. In that scope the PS5 doesn't bring substantial changes compared to a PS4 Pro, and the exclusive are easily skipable. Ok Ratchet and Clank is a good game, but doesn't justify buying a new console. I mean, you don't fear of missing out by not having a PS5. During the SNES era I just had a NES, and I was clearly out of any conversation with my friends...
@PuppetMaster
Sounds like a good idea
We have reached diminishing returns in gaming….only diehard gamers care about 4K and teraflops…..for the vast majority of of gamers, the PS4, Xbone and to a degree the Switch is flat out good enough. That said, as a casual gamer, I feel the upgrade to a Ps5 is totally worth it….
hey, that's me! i have not upgraded to ps5 for so many reasons. the price isn't right and there are not enough games on the platform to entice me to make the purchase. i'm not just referring to ps exclusive games — across the board including 3rd party publishers, the software lineup has been a major disappointment (as far as "current gen-only games" are concerned). i can get MOST of the games i am interested in on ps4 in 2024, so why would i upgrade just for a small resolution and fidelity bump? the industry is in a slump when it comes to innovation and creativity and that is why people are content sticking to their ps4.
let me frame this in another way: playstation PEAKED with the ps4 as far as the output and quality of games. sony is now having a hard time replicating this success on its new console, creating further disappointment for gamers. that is my experience anyway. oh, and i still haven't gotten over the ugly design and size of the ps5 so that doesn't help
@rjejr I don't see a 4K TV as being a requirement/consideration to upgrading, as a good proportion of PS5 owners play games at a lower resolution than 4K aka pick Performance Mode where it's available in-game. Companies that track TV ownership stats also (mostly) separate PC monitors, not including them in the overall number.
@Rodimusprime1313 agreed 100%. sony peaked with ps4. it is the culmination of everything that it learned from the ps3 era and is desined to be the greatest HD era console of all time depending on who you talk to. the ps5 is a regression in many ways and the ps6 will likely be no different unless the industry gets back to making good, innovative and creative games again.
@ChrisDeku depending on one's taste, only a handful of those games are actually worth playing. the latter half of your list is especially forgettable. many more are just copy and paste sequels that people likely don't feel pressured to play. the industry is not in a good place in the grand scheme of things. we are nearing the 4 year mark of the ps5 and sony still has a lot of work to do to entice people to purchase one. that is uncalled for and unique from past console generations.
I kinda don’t blame PS4 users. I sat on mine for a year and a half into the PS5 launch and I still only have a few PS5 exclusive games (even less now that some have gone to xbox). I mostly use mine as a bluray player and to play PS4 games. I am a little worried as my ROI so far isn’t in my favor. But that just means this is my last PS system. Sony seems to be all in on PC so I think that’s where I am headed in the future. All in all gaming feels like it is slowing down on the AAA front. There are good games, great games even, but they take too long to come out. It’s more financially sound to wait 3-4 years into a console’s life before upgrading. Especially if you are a multisystem owner.
I don’t think sony will see an impact until PS6. As some folks will opt for a PS5 at that point or opt out to PC (like me). I do think the switch successor will have an impact as well. It wont match the PS5 (Or the PS4) in graphics probably but if more japanese games (that don’t go to xbox) go to it then that leaves Sony with exclusives as the main draw. And those aren’t coming out fast enough imo.
@themightyant I don't understand your disbelief? They used extremely simple math to determine that half of PS users are not on PS5. What is the alternative explanation? Who are the other 59 million active users if not people playing on PS4?
@Savage_Joe i said the same thing. a fidelity and resolution downgrade would be fine for most people. i mean, rebirth isn't exactly cutting edge as it is still running on unreal engine 4 just like remake.
@breakneck it is not so much that people literally cannot afford one (although that is sometimes the case as well). it is more that the cost vs perceived "value" is not there yet due to a lackluster (for some people) library of "current gen" games at this point in time.
I guess if we're halfway then the real challenge is going to be how to migrate players to PS6 if there are so many still on PS4.
I had PS2, 3, 4 and now 5. I was one of the early adopters who purchased PS5 on pre-sale. Even so, I firmly believe that out of all gens, PS5 is the one with the least value for money. I use it a lot to play my favorite PS4 games more so than to play new games (that in general just feel like a PS4 game with better looks).
@RBRTMNZ You are missing a VERY simple point. You can have multiple MAUs (Monthly Active Users) on a single PS5. Sony have sold 59 million PS5s but that doesn't mean only 59 million MAUs on PS5, it could be 100 million. My point is we don't know, but his "extremely simple math" is missing a key factor.
@thefourfoldroot1 Sure i agree with that, my point was really that 100 million (exaggeragtion) could have a ps4 still, if 50 million of them also have PS5s. For the people who have both it would still only be 1 PSN user. There could be 150 million active consoles out there but only 118 million users.
I have PS3,PS4 and PS5 that i use regularly, i'm still 1 user.
We just don't know the numbers for each console.
@DennisReynolds Lords of The Fallen is on PS4 as well, though it is quite different since it's missing years worth of updates.
I love my PS5, but now that I think about it, other than Astro's Playroom, I still haven't played a single game on it that I couldn't have played on PS4. 🤔
To be fair though, I should also add that I did purchase Final Fantasy XVI, but simply haven't played it yet.
@nookie_egg The missing zoom was not available on release but was added to the PS5 in an April 2021 update. Like you I rely on that zoom at times with the teeny tiny text used in some games.
Game saves to usb is allowed if it is a PS4 game save, but not allowed with PS5 game saves.
The PS5 also added folders after release but users say it's not as good as the PS4 folders which also was added after release.
@Sushisunbreak GoW Ragnarok and its DLC are also on PS4 btw.
I recently traded my PS4 in for a PS5 when there was a special deal directly from Sony. I got a new PS5 Slim with drive and Spidey 2 code for $300. If not for this deal I would have probably kept waiting, but I am glad I did it.
If people want to stay on PS4 longer big woop. I wonder what the news reports and comments would be if Sony and publishers made more of the current PS4/PS5 games PS5 only. Probably not too happy.
@Porco Unreal 4 or not, there's no way Rebirth is running on PS4.
@Savage_Joe To be fair Rebirth would not have been possible on PS4 as in its current form, not that that would necessarily be a bad thing given some of the design choices, but I digress.
@Andee haha AAAACCHHOOOOOOO . Hey maguire! ‘What!!’
@themightyant You are missing your own point as well as people can have multiple active accounts on the PS5 too. 🤪
@NoCode23 at least they added it back in but woah, wasn't aware, big steps backwards then!
I guess I fall into that camp despite being a day one adopter of all things Sony (gaming wise including the Vita/PSVR)
Its all to do with no real exclusives "next gen releases" being attractive for me on day one (outside Returnal...which I ended up playing on PC) Theres been a handfull of other titles I want to play (mainly Spiderman 2)
But I left picking a PS5 that Im might as well wait for the rumoured PRO model........and honestly Im probably mainly picking it up for MHW2 next year.
That said if Capcom suddly says they plan to have cross play...... they only thing that makes want the console is simply the collector in me. Games run great for me across PC and my PC handhelds but I miss having physical copies of the latest games.
@sanderson72
"Yes, some will be a PS5 that's being used by more than one subscriber, though the same argument to say that half those users are on a PS4 with multiple accounts?"
To a point this is true, but out of the total number of PSN accounts, if there are multiple accounts on PS5, that eats into the amount of accounts that are on PS4. So if there's 118 million PSN users and 59 million PS5s, but if each PS5 has an average of 1.5 accounts, that's about 90 million users on a PS5, leaving only 29 million accounts to be on PS4 - and then to a lesser degree, PS3, Vita, and PC. And of those, let's say, 27 million accounts on PS4, if they're sharing the same PS4 to the same amount (1.5 per console) then that's 18 million actual PS4 households to buy games.
@Bentleyma in its current iteration, no. but if it was planned with ps4 in mind, they would have made concessions where necessary. it was not an impossible port.
@jorel262 I would be likely to buy a PS5 at some point if they did at least and have the sense to realize that it wouldn't be wrong for devs to drop PS4 support at this point. Unfortunately, at this point being likely past the halfway point in the PS5's life-cycle, it's seeming likely I'll skip PlayStation altogether this generation which is sad since I've purchased PS1/PS2/PS3/PS4/PSP 2000/PSTV over the years, with a traditional Vita being the only system I skipped on since I could play most Vita games "on the big screen no less" that I had interest in on my PSTV.
It's just too late for PS5 to get a good number of exclusives compared to whatever the Switch's successor will be released before the PS6 releases in 2026-2028. Switch's successor will also likely be in-line with PS4 Pro visually with the CPU and RAM being closer in-line with the Series S from what we know of the confirmed chip-set that has been leaked so once that happens Nintendo will likely get all of the major next-gen third party games until the PS6 launches making it a more attractive short to middle-term investment. Sorry for the wall of text btw lol. 🤣
@themightyant wouldn’t that thinking also imply that there are multiple monthly users on PS4 consoles as well. In fact it stands to reason that users still on PS4, who either cannot or are not willing to spend money to upgrade, are even less likely to have multiple consoles in their home for each individual user.
@WiiWareWave No its not your thinking of the first game. The reboot that has the same name is current gen only and a big reason for that is because its built ground up in Unreal 5.
@RBRTMNZ Yes there would be multiple users on each PS4. But most of the 60ish million PS5 owners would have been one of the 120ish million PS4 owners. Additionally some of those PS4 sales would also be multiple purchasers (PS4 Pro, Slim, a second console or to replace a broken system, it isn't 120 million consoles to 120 million separate owners), this is more likely on PS4 than PS5 due to time on sale.
Additionally the longer you have a owned a piece of tech the less likely, on average, you are to use it.
To be clear I am not doubting that there are MANY PS4 owners who never upgraded, I said that clearly in my opening post, it's just not the half he is stating still playing on PS4. I was only pointing out his whole methodology is flawed as it's based on comparing two incomparable statistics - Sales to MAUs. Apples to Oranges.
@TheMysticOne
Sure, I have all those too (in fact, the ps1 and 2 as well, and all the way back to the C64). So I agree. Although I doubt many people who have a PS5 and PS4 still use the latter (what’s the point when everything is back compat?). I only have mine so I can watch 3D movies on my PSVR as PSVR2 doesn’t let me!)
As an owner of a pc as well as a ps4, there doesn't seem to be a good reason to. Most of the games not available on ps4 listed in these comments are playable on pc.
The holdouts who play on a PS4 but don't own a PS5 will likely start upgrading as more and more games come out they can't play. But we're just NOW at the end of the PS4/5 cross-platform era, we're only NOW seeing PS5 exclusives without PS4 versions. As new exclusives hit, especially first-party exclusives, the pressure to upgrade will rise.
And maybe, as the PS5 Pro drops, people will be able to pick up used PS5s for less, or even skip to the PS5 Pro.
Counter that with inflation making it harder to drop a lot of money on entertainment, though, and it might be a bumpy ride for Sony. I still think PS5 adoption is only going up from here, but there are obvious challenges. It's always easier to grow in a healthy economy.
from my own point of view, there isn't a single reason to upgrade. There are barely any exclusives and i don't care about the few that there are.
@themightyant Got it. I understand your reasoning and why my last response was kind of dumb. I’m not sold on this being a huge factor but do agree with you that it’s not 50/50 as implied by reporting.
@MrBook It will definitely be the same. The days of pushing the newest tech are gone.
PS6 games will have to cater to the specs of the PS5 and PC equivalent. Otherwise, you are reducing your possible sales.
The days of being blown away by a game pushing the limits are gone.
@DennisReynolds Ah gotcha!
@Savage_Joe He's talking about Lords of The Fallen.
Gotta love the original tweeter dropping a “Got that?” like it’s a massive gottem only to say later in the thread “don’t fill my thread with console war BS.” Which is it, sir?
@Mortal May not be a requirement, but I feel like it must be a consideration for at least a few people who haven't upgraded yet. The people who are worried about quality vs performance modes probably did, but then again they probably just upgraded for the faster SSD quality of life improvements.
@carlos82 True, but the performance improvements are pretty significant.
After I got my PS5, to my friends who refused to upgrade, I'd half-jokingly tell them the PS5 is the best PS4 there is.
For those who said "I waited for the PS4 Pro", well, the PS5, even without a lot of exclusives, is like a Pro PS4 Pro.
@Incognito_D lmao you're either ignorant or mad you can't afford it
I say it all the time here, but I play almost exclusively PS4 games on PS5. That isn't to say I don't appreciate the console. I just don't see much current (apart from what Nintendo is doing) that is interesting. And a few of those PS4 games run at 60 on PS5, which is wonderful. I don't regret buying the console. It's just basically my PS4 Pro Squared.
And it looks like a Roman Numeral 5, which is neat I guess.
...wonder how many people didn't notice that, lol
@DestructionAllstars Or just take them at their word? Why assume a bad faith argument? Your comments here are always barbs. If you're so miserable, go somewhere else.
I thought I’d keep using my PS4 after getting my PS5, so I left it hooked up in another room. … I haven’t turned the thing on in months. Every time I do I’m annoyed at how slow it is and how poor the games look in comparison.
I started to read the comments here and it didn’t take long until the “ThEre’S NOthInG wOrTh pLaYiNg oN PS5!” rhetoric to surface. I mean, to each their own, but that’s just simply not true at this point. It starts with Control Ultimate Edition and goes on from there. My PS Portal plays better than my PS4.
This gen must play games has been few but prices have been high. Console prices are no longer falling even with the Slim version. Instead, Sony increased the price by $50. With the ever-increasing inflation, growing household expenses, higher prices for games, and personal financial instability I just haven't been able to afford a PS5. I am still on my PS4 even though I have bought a Playstation console each gen since the PS1.
@LifeGirl 3.5 years.
Quite surprised at all the "there's no games and there's barely any difference" comments. I think the PS5 is fantastic, I'm pretty overwhelmed with how many games there are to play. And it's common to get used to the visual upgrades so it doesn't feel so special. It's like getting used to 4K TV- try going back to an old DVD and it's shocking.
We have been missing some truly enormous and groundbreaking games recently (the likes of Red Dead 2) but that's not really a PS5 problem.
For me, quite simply, nothing exclusive to PS5 I want to play, except FF7R2, which will be available elsewhere soon enough.
@TheMysticOne why do you still use your ps4 when the ps5 plays all the games but better?
Well I have a PS5 slim now but I’m always day one anyway.
In the UK I think the PS4 at the same life cycle as the PS5 was about £290 not £480 like the PS5 is.
Also being honest, where are the PS5 only games that take full advantage of the PS5.
By now we should have one amazing Naughty Dog PS5 only big AAA title to amaze us and maybe more from other Sony studios.
They made some wrong choices a few years ago GAAS etc and now they paying for it.
Give gamers a reason to upgrade to PS5 then they might do.
@HammerKirby3 Personally I'm still using the Pro over the PS5 as the ESO haptic feedback is totally broken in the PS5 & PS4 version on the fat boy, but works perfectly on the Pro with DS4.
Other games which suffer from the same problem are some of the F1 games (no rumble going over kerbs, etc. on PS5 but works on PS4) and Immortals Fenyx Rising where drawing back the bow string rattles the DS5 like a broken down diesel car whereas the DS4 just rumbles with increasing intensity.
Until a game I'm really wanting to play (eg 'Death Stranding 2' ) releases on PS5, I'll just stick with PS4 & Switch (with some PC).
I have the money set aside, ready to go, but to be frank £400-£500 for a now 3.5yr old system isn't exactly an exciting prospect.
If my PS4 dies, I'll get a PS5. But otherwise I'll just wait for a "system seller" game.
@HammerKirby3 It's in a different, smaller quieter room, and plenty of games do not play better on PS5. I don't need 60 fps for civilization.
Also my friend comes round and we play Modern warfare remastered offline with bots. don't need a PS5 for that.
@thefourfoldroot1 Maybe Pushsquare could run a poll..
Yup. Can't afford it. 500 notes is a lot.
I mean this is a cost of living crisis going on so not everyone can afford to upgrade. Also as long as they are on the ecosystem it is not an issue unless they upgrade to Xbox rather than ps5
I like that Sony said this is halfway through the PS5 life cycle. What are these clowns talking about? They expect customers to pony up for a PS6 on day one now. Yeah, I'm good.
There's little to no incentive for PS4 owners to upgrade when so many blockbuster titles are cross platform, money is tight due to the cost of living crisis etc. Why upgrade when the successor is actually more expensive new than it was at launch, hasn't really had as many tentpole releases as it should partly due to the pandemic. Every time I get a used PS5 I end up playing it for a few weeks, then I end up letting it gather dust for months, then I sell it.
It's been a pretty disappointing generation, to be honest. The fact that people online everywhere are pinning so much hope on GTA VI almost says it all, even though it's at least a year away and will undoubtedly have many of the same sins as GTA V did, namely the exploitative grindy costly buggy clusterf**k we call GTA Online.
Apart from the odd decent big release, mainstream gaming is stagnating. It's telling when the most trick GPU on the market, the 4090, uses a bunch of upscaling and resampling techniques to botch 4K at decent framerates. It's also telling that consoles and PCs are so much more powerful than a decade ago, and other than Switch are all x86 based yet a lot of games are released so unoptimised that it's baffling. Back in the 360/PS3 era developers had to juggle x86, PowerPC and CELL, all pretty damn different, yet the ports towards end of gen especially had that much more parity.
Why would people upgrade if you keep selling 99 percent of new games on the old system! Stop making games for the ps4 and watch people buy a ps5
@breakneck gaming has always been an expensive hobby. The consoles haven’t kept up with inflation either compared to other industries.
@rockodoodle we haven’t reached diminishing returns. It’s just that consumers have been convinced that they need 4k gaming for their consoles. Going from 1080P to 4K is very taxing on the hardware and requires significant hardware for one to have left over power to really see a leap. This is what the consoles don’t have since Sony and Microsoft don’t make bespoke console hardware anymore that is leading. As console consumers don’t want to pay for that type of power as the current costs are bemoaned by many.
Kudos to Sony for still supporting those who can't afford a PS5 upgrade. I was an early adopter but, honestly, it just feels like a fancier way to play existing games. There's no revolution in gaming, it just looks nicer and loads faster. Previous next-gen consoles would always have all these flashy games that only their generation coud run. I think a lot of it is down to how people play games now. With a lot of gamers using gaming PCs, the expectation of new games is just to be higher res and faster framerate rather than any big revolution.
I have had a PS5 since launch but I’ll admit I haven’t played it that much lately. My life completely changed with a son and I’m not a multi tasker. So it’s mostly been turned off.
I did have surgery recently and took two weeks off from work so I’ve been playing FFVII Rebirth a good bit the last few days. But once I go back to work it’ll probably just stay switched off for another couple of months.
I find myself playing my Switch a ton more now because it’s easy to just play it handheld in the bed.
My Problems with the PS5:
I haven’t found a reason to upgrade. The PC-like graphics boost don’t make the games better, because they’re all being developed kind of shoddy anyway. God of War Ragnarok and Spiderman are the best things that’s happened in that ecosystem for me, don’t care or want GaaS and everyone is riding that coat tail.
It’s only now, 5 years in, that I would kind of want one for the next AC. But why spend $570 for one game when I could do hundreds of other things with that amount of money.
The big two need to right the ship, which is why we’ve been hearing of closures and abandoned development. Gaming shouldn’t have to go big on every production, because right now “going big” means GaaS and souls-likes, which in-turn makes the whole look kinda well…not worth $570.
Given the sheer number of PS5 games available that are actually cross-gen, the pandemics and the current economic state around the globe, it's nothing unexpected.
I upgraded to the PS5 soon after launch, for the simple fact that the noise generated by my PS4 Pro (1st iteration of it) was very uncomfortable. Otherwise it would have been postponed until PS5 Pro.
In terms of other countries it makes sense or casual gamers not seeing a need to.
But me nah I just don't find games of the current gen compelling, the gameplay isn't impressing me and I don't care for graphics/ray tracing or performance enhancements. For understanding tech sure or reading gaming news but I mean I still care about dual screen phones or old and new console gimmicks or retro game hidden gems I never owned/knew about because of their ideas then I do current gen being a purchase.
I don't care about GTA 6 at all or other trends these days. So that's not a reason for me not upgrading.
To me the problem is just compelling ideas in games to make me upgrade. If Sony kills off the creative studios and games I actually would upgrade for. I don't care for most trends this gen. Not into souls, not into current racing games, nostaglia Indies suck at making stand outs then clones with the most blatant copy paste design as 90s popular games but nothing to set them apart. Sequels/remakes and some I am buying but only the remakes not sequels to game I have no interest in.
2016+ most care about PS4 to me it was 2013/2014 those IPs besides Knack 2, Gravity Rush 2 of 2017 and Dreams of 2020. Order 1886 was eh, Last of Us not my thing, Uncharted 4/Lost Legacy I didn't play but watched others play. I played 1-3/Golden Abyss no care for the others. Ratchet 2016/GT Sport were bad. God of War 2018 I beat the story hated it. Horizon I played 20 hours and dropped it. Infamous Second Son I beat side/story but felt the dynamic good and bad of 1 was better and I'm still at the intro of 1. XD Others trying to remember. To me the current Sony direction is pretty half and half of none for me right now. Song of the Deep was fair from Insomniac for a PS4/Xbox One metroidvania and I'm not into Metroidvanias or Roguelikes.
I mean the Dualsense is 'fine' but I have Impulse Triggers of Xbox One 2013+ games of the 'few' that use it. I have tried Dualsense and it's tension/haptics are fine. I tried it with the Stellar Blade demo and it reminded me what it's like. I have no Switch HD Rumble games yet. The vibration in Azure Gunvolt 1 & 2 for PS4 was fair of vibration stages. Gyro in PS5 games is nice but some still barely offer it.
Hey Gravity Trickster is a PS4 Kula World on PS1 kind of game..... What do I need to upgrade for. It's an ok game. Just surprised still games or some Indies going slow between platforms in some cases that's all.
Why would I spend $500 to trade a PS4 in, $700 normally. That and just an OS I hate that's like Switch or Xbox Series that on Xbox One X/VCR I already hate. I prefer the Wii U and PS4 folders/design layout more. I can use the quite console feature on an Xbox One why would I PS5 buy that for $700 for a quite setting. The enhancements sure but I don't care. Base PS4 and loading times don't bother me.
Stranger of Paradise on Xbox One X, loads quick, Biomutant on Xbox One X runs badly it's why I questioned it running on Switch. Stranger of Paradise running better than even the 50% then loaded of FEAR 2 on PS3 in just as short of time. So to me it's down to good programming yet we see a lot of bad programming. FF7 Rebirth to me seeing the load times with teleporting same region versus new regions. It's how I'd expect it to be not 'everywhere each teleport of fast travel' is horrendous programming. XD
Granted Stranger of Paradise is linear small areas so it's not the same but even still. Valkyrie Elysium is the same and I mean Soleil do what they do and Wanted Dead is like Devils Third from it's design similarities to it's loading times. Part of it is the games I seek but the other part is engines adapting to consoles and getting a product out but the other is just nothing compelling of software at all and eh peripherals I usually would care for but their execution is so bad.
2020 period of people playing games sure. I saw people buying PS4s for Fortnite around then or earlier. Or Minecraft on PS3 or so. I even if I don't care got more interested in 3DS games leaving my EB/Gamestop and buying more retro games for 5-7th gen consoles or buying consoles I didn't own than 8th+ gen games/consoles and many I did disappointed.
So consoles or games from casuals or just the 2020 situation over now of people inside as much. Unless you see like 100s of Match Masters ads and want to tell Google to go away with their ads when I hate Tetris/Bejeweled style puzzle games there is a reason my favourites are obstacle course ones on PSP instead.
The IPs they do push don't interest me and haven't since the PS4 era that's why 2017-2021 I bought a Vita 2017, Wii U 2018, 3DS 2020 and Switch 2021 that's how boring the PS4 was for me and the Xbox One sat there or got backwards compatible 360 games instead besides a few exclusive Xbox One games but more so 2020+ when the PS5/Series were out already. So just Knack 2 and Gravity Rush 2 or Dreams wasn't doing much.
GT Sport I bought 2 years before the server closure why would I not pay pre-owned prices for a game design I didn't like. I was there at the service ending and offline for wiki reasons and to understand the game design to get a bit of experience with the game enough to beat the career mode and offline modes otherwise I didn't care for it.
I get the oh multiplayer casuals and such but me a hardcore that hasn't upgraded. Well it's because I literally haven't seen anything to make me upgrade.
With Switch I went ok Bayonetta 3, Prime 4 and a bunch of third parties besides well Pikmin 4, Bayonetta Origins (I have enjoyed) which Bayo 3/Pikmin 4 sucked. Astral Chain I need to get back into. So third parties have been my main experience on Switch racing, platformers, tactics mostly at the moment. Splatoon 2 was like the best 2017 singleplayer platformer shooter game I played in 2024. Another Code Recollection is passable of a remake of 2 games combined then separated.
I'll get to Fire Emblem or others eventually but otherwise. Eh Switch has been ok even besides what I think of the well it's just PSP/Nomad/Pocket PC docking and eh IR but fine gyro and split joycons or better than Vita/3DS profile soloness to be more fair and well it's a handheld so it's fine. But I still prefer Wii U more.
Rift Apart doing a non scripted but hardware push when Crack in Time on a PS3 HDD did it better and yet Rift Apart is almost comparable it's hilarious. Give me dynamic boss battles or moments come on. Blizar was a good level but I quit before I played it. Watching 2 let's plays made me go yeah it's a good level, the remade levels were worse then Tools of Destruction they came from with better design. XD
From Rift Apart to GT7 I was done. 2017+ PS4 IPs I was done but GT7 I am done.
Sure Dreams being fair to Knack 2 & Gravity Rush 2, Blood and Truth (being titles I did enjoy on PS4) to just more studios I care about gone why should I upgrade? There isn't anything for me on PS5/Series X.
That aside other than 3rd parties with ok ideas in them most are just pathetic. Too safe, taking their time to adapt to the hardware, who cares 4K/other aspects. Give me gameplay oh wait they have to TREND FOLLOW compete with boring game design and worlds.
Why should i upgrade if we see formulaic titles, eh engine changes, PS3/4 design 2 console gens later that's seriously boring and hilarious to see be repeated over and over for casuals buy safe games due to too high of budgets no one asked for and console gamer loyal sales.
That or nostalgia Indies (not to mix with good Indies actually making good games) making generic clones of 90s games with nothing mechanically exciting to set them apart just repeats, when the actual 5th gen have stand out design. Why should I bother if the Nostalgia Indies (not the Indies actually putting effort in which there are many) are no different in safe design as AAA or AA in some cases. It's pathetic.
I get engines to adapt to PS5. I get the ray tracing (I don't care about puddles, modern glass buildings or lighting in a cupboard with a glass door, give me actually gameplay reasons to care about ray tracing or else make it baked in I don't care about some boring realistic lighting, boring licenses in games, pushing tv/movies for money and performance hits make the performance better and better games)/other pushes.
But gameplay wise I've never been so unexcited to upgrade since I didn't want to upgrade from 1.6.4 to 1.7.10 in Minecraft as I hated and still do (but did upgrade and stopped at 1.17, and even then 1.12.2 I wanted to give up if it wasn't for Rift/Fabric as other modloaders appearing) the biome algorithm being so bad and further updates being boring as ever too.
I've had more fun researching failed consoles from all over gaming's past and hidden gems of mechanically more exciting of PS1-3/PSP/Vita, OG Xbox/360 or N64 to Switch (mostly Wii/DS to Switch of pickups the rest is researching) games then I have the boring experience of PS4 I've had.
I find the odd PS4 games but even the Indies are pretty eh, the AA are 'fine' but AAA it's been eh sequels I have no interest in or remakes.
Square's titles of 2022/2023 made me want to buy them but they flopped so like it matters. Some fair hack n slashes of Valkyrie Elysium/Strangers of Paradise or Tactics of Front Mission/Tactics Ogre or Diofield even if Diofield is the most after chapter 4 boring game I've ever played for eh story and nothing interesting going on. If it was a Valkyria Chronicles games well it out beats it because each objective keeps changing. Diofield nah it's too busy story pushing and boring gameplay with the grass, wind and flowers blowing and relaxing to have anything worth while to offer. I platinumed it which was easy but still boring and pointless difficulty curve.
Some games are 'fine' but even then I only got a few Smart delivery games like Demon Turf, Project Cars 3 or Strangers of Paradise on Xbox One or PS4/5 only games like Valkyrie Elyisum or other multiplats on PS4 or Switch or Xbox One because well nothing new gen has impressed me it's just safe gameplay design. Why should I upgrade?
Even then many I found exciting flop because they had other factors people care about so they flop. I still buy them or family bought them as they use the PS5 but they just flopped.
Balan I enjoyed for $20, no way I was paying full price I knew it would flop. Forspoken/Aveum family bought but I mean they flopped. I thought the setting and ideas in Aveum weren't the best but I mean it's better than Indies trying to be better different setting COD. Pass. I mean something interesting in the shooter space but nope 5-7th gen shooters on either of the 3 platforms because well current gen they aren't offering it they flop too much. Forspoken has issues but I mean the magic system seemed cool to me and actual verticallity of platforms was nice but it was still an ok world/story. But it had other issues so people made it flop. I get the Sweet Baby issue or the dialogue or otherwise but I mean I hated the dialogue in Sunset Overdrive, came back and it was my favourite open world besides Gravity Rush Remastered so. Game design appeal there.
That doesn't give me confidence to upgrade if games are so safe why should I let alone casual or hardcore gaming audiences have made it clear the direction games have gone and me as 1 person won't help sales even if I did upgrade, let alone no interest in PSVR2/Portal (access to them as family bought them but they too were disappointed in them) so what do I have to get excited over.
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