
Update #2: An interesting night of conflicting reports has brought no resolution to the idea Sony secretly paid for Black Myth: Wukong exclusivity. Neither the platform holder nor developer Game Science has commented on the speculation, but Giant Bomb’s Jeff Grubb has gone against the recent round of reports.
Grubb said on a podcast that he’d spoken to someone who would know, and that Sony has “no money marketing deal to keep [Black Myth: Wukong] off Xbox”. He speculates it’s possible the PlayStation maker may have helped on development, and also points out that Game Science potentially may have prioritised PS5 due to its larger Asian audience.
Update #1: At this point, someone is going to have to say something. A separate IGN report, corroborating comments made by Forbes’ Paul Tassi, claims Sony has indeed signed a “secret” exclusivity arrangement with Black Myth: Wukong developer Game Science. The unnamed source claims the developer’s comments about technical issues with the Xbox Series X|S version of the game are “inaccurate”.
We’ve contacted both Game Science and Sony for clarification, and will update when we learn more.
Original Story: Rumours started by Forbes contributor Paul Tassi have today claimed that Sony signed a console exclusivity arrangement with Chinese action game Black Myth: Wukong. The game was previously announced for multiple systems, including Xbox Series X|S, but during Summer Game Fest developer Game Science announced it was having issues with Microsoft’s machine, and would only release on PS5 and PC initially. The title has since gone on to sell 10 million copies.
At the time, the studio issued an FAQ explaining its decision to skip Xbox: “We are currently optimising the Xbox Series X|S version to meet our quality standards, so it won't release simultaneously with the other platforms. We apologise for the delay and aim to minimise the wait for Xbox users. We will announce the release date as soon as it meets our quality standards.”
A subsequent statement shared by Microsoft fuelled the fires about a supposed “secret” Sony exclusivity deal. “We can’t comment on the deals made by our partners with other platform holders, but we remain focused on making Xbox the best platform for gamers, and great games are at the centre of that,” a spokesperson told Windows Central, prompting speculation that the PlayStation maker had signed a deal with the game.

This, as we pointed out at the time, didn’t make sense. PlayStation has extremely open about the nature of its timed exclusives, with Final Fantasy 16 and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth being prime recent examples. Both titles included small-print disclosing the duration of their availability, and were openly announced as timed exclusives. Silent Hill 2, as can be seen above, has a similar declaration.
Tassi, however, claims that Sony has signed a timed exclusive deal – and Game Science is lying about the technical issues its title is experiencing on Xbox Series X|S. He wrote on X (or Twitter): “A source with knowledge of the situation has told me that Black Myth: Wukong is not currently on Xbox because of an exclusivity deal, and is not delayed because of any sort of technical issue.”
We’ve contacted both PlayStation and Game Science to get clarification, and will update when we hear back.
While we can’t comment on Tassi’s sources, we’d be surprised if his information is accurate. Sony has been active marketing Black Myth: Wukong in Asia, but it’s done little to promote the game in the West, and usually when it has a timed exclusive under its belt it’ll promote the heck out of it. We all got sick of the sight of Deathloop, for example, a game it openly advertised as a timed exclusive.
We don’t know what’s going on with the Xbox Series X|S version of the acclaimed action game, but the developer has very little to gain by lying about any technical issues it may be encountering. If it had signed an exclusivity deal with Sony, why wouldn’t it just say so? Creating a false excuse to cover up for a shady secret deal just doesn’t make sense.
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The next gaming rumor will be an accusation of Sony making a deal to keep Super Mario Party Jamboree off of Xbox consoles.
This is a guy who has been regularly mocked online for being very defensive of Xbox. He belongs in the same category as Destin Legarie and Parris Lilly as guys who claim to be "neutral" but very often have been pro Xbox and often advocated for Acquisitions in the name of "competition".
Their opinions aren't worth the crap your dog leaves on their walks.
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I can't see this being true. Most company's would just straight out say if it was an exclusive or a timed exclusive. Seems to me that there are quite a few people who seem to have it in for game science and for whatever nefarious reason want the company to fail. Would xbox owners welcome a version of the game that's not up to scratch? There's more than enough people who already think the ps5 version is rubbish and riddled with performance issues (not even close to being true) and it's quite obvious they haven't played it in any capacity or are just jumping on the band wagon because "It's cool to hate." No doubt this won't be the last we hear of this rubbish.
Sony basically doesn't market anything anymore so that's not a. Really strong counterpoint to the rumor. Sure deathloop was pushed years ago, however in the last few years they have basically sat back and put as little effort into. Marketing, gamer and media engagement as a whole.
Whatever is going on with them internally is not great at best and in all reality it feels like The most anti gamer, greed driven, and complacent time in the entire playstation history.
It makes zero sense that this game has issues on the more powerful and "pc like architecture" in the series x. totally can understand it being unplayable on the S though, As it runs with downgrades and technical issues on the PS5, and the dev has admitted getting better performance in patches is a ways off in possibility. Xbox has already walked back the "need to run on x and s," policy in previous releases, so it's hard to believe they wouldn't do so with a title like Wukong that had a lot of hype, and was clearly going to be visually heavy performance wise.
Having trouble running on a Series S is definitely not the problem like it's been with other games, no, it's a secret exclusive. Journalism at its finest.
Even Xbox is having technical issues with Xbox these days, and the way this game runs on the easier to use PS5 doesn't exactly scream of a job well done (fake 60fps.) It's really not difficult to believe the technical issues are legitimate, especially when the small install base platform just isn't a major priority. IDK why one needs to assume a Sony based conspiracy for a game already announced for Xbox.
OTOH shady secret underhanded dealings would be spot on the course for doing business in China, so it's also believable what is claimed. It just seems less likely than the stated reason also being true.
Tassi source: just trust me bro.
What's with some game journalist trying to put GameScience and Black Myth in a bad position with fake reports?
Back to back years of huge games both delayed on xbox due to the series s with more and more developers openly saying the same thing lol
@HotGoomba Goomba, you’re the best with these sarcastic takes.
And also, I don’t think this being a timed exclusive is any true at all.
I doubt Sony would waste money doing this especially since they are in the lead hardware wise against Xbox. Xbox has been poorly ran for a decade now so Sony has time to get itself together but they are running on previous prestige. Even if they did do it so what. It’s not like they have been on a major buying spree since they don’t have the money like their competitor.
@AdamNovice In defense of Tassi and Legarie, they are plenty critical of Xbox. Tassi, especially, wrote multiple articles for ages about how bad Xbox had been during the XB1 era. I'm not a fan of how they behave online, but I don't think they're shills.
On the other hand, Lilly (and everyone at Kinda Funny, for that matter) is a grade-A shill who is a walking PR statement because he doesn't want to burn any contacts within the industry. God forbid he say something critical of Xbox and lose access to starring in Flight Simulator BTS videos where he flies in planes with developers and Xbox people.
@KundaliniRising333 someone could post a rumor saying Sony shot the tooth fairy and you'd probably Believe it.
@KundaliniRising333 "Whatever is going on with them internally is not great at best and in all reality it feels like The most anti gamer, greed driven, and complacent time in the entire playstation history."
They are their own industry. They're not fighting Sega, Xbox is wrestling itself in the corner and has Xbox pinned against the ropes, Nintendo's in its gilded cage chirping at phones. With no opponents, the consumer is the opponent.
Also, "Monkey Business" really needed to be the subheading here, and Push should be ashamed of missing this obvious trick even if it's been used before.
@NEStalgia well put.
@WhiteRabbit it's not perfect but it's nowhere near as bad as is being made out..input eating lag? I'm not saying it ain't there but I like quite a few others are not noticing it.
Sounds like a butt hurt Xbot.
Im not trying to be rude but Paul Tassi has always made me think of him as whiny
@NEStalgia Love it!
@Enuo wait the tooth fairy is dead?!
Double wait: the tooth fairy existed prior to this cold hearted assassination!!?!!!
Whoa
If I had to guess, I'd imagine the 'technical issues' were an excuse to delay the Xbox version, but not for any clandestine business deals. They simply didn't have the time or manpower to develop for two extra SKUs (S|X), especially when the were going to be the worst selling SKUs of the lot.
Like you say it makes no sense. Not only are Sony generally quite upfront about exclusives and market the hell out of them but there is no reason to hide a deal. Given the biggest market for the game is the Chinese audience and that Xbox have a the smallest share of that market why would they need to hide any exclusivity deal.
Also wouldn't be the first game delayed because the Devs need to make the game work on both the Series X and S
@NEStalgia This is easily the most boring, slow, uninspired generation of PlayStation I've personally been apart of, since jumping in with PS3. Complacent is an accurate adjective to describe the current Sony and their internal output. Nearly a year's wait between Spiderman 2 and Astrobot is insane.
@KundaliniRising333 if a game can run on the series X it can run on a series s. It’s just a matter of tuning the game to a lower setting. This game came out on PC so the developer has experience with making a game with minimal hardware requirements in mind. All of the negativity surrounding the series s is just laziness on the developers part. In the old days the consoles were more bespoke. Developers had a bigger learning curve. The problem is now, Xbox isn’t near PS in terms of units in the field. But the numbers aren’t small enough to ignore IMO. I fell bad a little for Xbox. Since PS5 is now the lead platform for developers. And it has been said that the series x power advantage isn’t a big deal. I think even FPS foundry even said so and praised the PS5. Yet I remember last generation Xbox one always getting roasted for being down on power in which the PS4 was more powerful and the lead console. And always was better in comparisons. So to sum it up, it really all comes down to developers. And they have shown they don’t really care for an optimized Xbox port as a whole. Since the series x is more powerful it can brute force its way, thus making the series s more annoying for developers.
Or, and stay with me here, the Xbox Series S is a piece of crap tech that shouldn't have been made.
@KundaliniRising333 he's not dead he's just bankrupt after having to keep giving money to the horror where I work who lives on monster energy drinks and haribo.. he's down to 1 tooth which is orange...
@jrt87 I mean, I can't say anything about the validity of IGN's claims (I frankly got kinda bored of the read and only got to the crude online comments transitioning to China general culture of sexism).
But, of there are valid reasons to believe there's abuse and harassment going on behind-the-scenes of any company — gaming or otherwise — you absolutely should care.
Forbes has a long and pathetic history of lying about PlayStation and trying to put them in a bad light. If Sony had this game is an exclusive they would promote that.
@KundaliniRising333 "Sony basically doesn't market anything anymore"
Did you live under a rock or something that somehow you missed out Sony heavy marketing for GOW Ragnarok, Horizon FW, GT 7, Spiderman 2, FF XVI, FF VII Rebirth, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, Concord, and Astro Bot?
I live in a 3rd world country and Sony showed a lot of PS ads here in my country. Heck, they even held offline launch event for all games that i mention except Concord.
@RoomWithaMoose most of us do care but unfortunately when you do speak up and say its abhorrent there's usually somebody waiting to tell you to pack it in. If you say you don't care there's usually somebody waiting to tell you to pack it in..sometimes it's just not worth it.
@RagnarLothbrok it’s just laziness on the developers part in not wanting to develop for another SOC of the same family. Although this SOC is the same as it’s bigger brother but just weaker in raw graphical theoretical processing power. It would be different if the Series X was bespoke and the series s bespoke with different architectures.
@PuppetMaster you had to use the "C" word didn't you..
Updated the article. IGN is corroborating the story apparently, which makes no sense but here we are.
Awaiting response to request for comment.
If it’s been corroborated then it’s a totally different story. Might be better to just nuke the comments from before it was confirmed 😂
@get2sammyb I don't think IGN is a valid source of information anymore considering the recent s/storms their wukong articles have turned out..
Of course it's IGN. Their original hit piece failed so they're trying something else.
And even if Sony did...so what? Microsoft bought up like half the industry not too long ago.
LMAO Inside Gaming wrote and article and even used Tassi as their source. Journalism at its finest because you know trust me bro, is what is running the internet at this point and people will believe anything.
@InfidelFrigidstraigh Well, it's very unusual for something like this to not be disclosed and to be blamed on technical issues that don't exist.
I've never seen anything like it.
Sounds more like a developer problem (IE lie) than Sony’s.
Why bother with this when you see the sales of PS vs Xbox and it is at best for Xbox 10% vs 90% for PS?
Why are we still talking about this game? Vampire Survivors is out.
@get2sammyb I do have a faint memory of the same accusation around the internet for Baldur’s Gate 3… but now one took it seriously. It’s just the parity clause for the Series X and S. Seems like this is the natural result of the consoles releasing with different specs.
Very easy for them to agree an exclusivity agreement with Sony, after the fact, if they are having trouble making the Series S version.
Why do I think if Sony did sign up black myth as a console exclusive it only happened in the last week or so.
@get2sammyb so exactly where do you stand on this? Do you think it's a load of tosh or do you think it's actually a possibility it's a console exclusive and game science are lying? I'd be interested to hear your personal opinion..
Technical issues = cant spare more than 1 person, as we have a small team and want to launch on a system where we can get actual sales. Oh, and its difficult to use frame gen to get from 15 to 30fps on series S.
My gut feeling is Sony / GS would have advertised the exclusivity if that were the case, not just hidden it.
? Could the same 'source' have spoken to ign?
I think it's more that these publishers don't want to put anything on Xbox because, unless it's on Gamepass, they won't buy it.
Funny how this "report" comes out just after the PS5 Pro "leak" as if to divert attention and counteract it 🤔
@WhiteRabbit Sarcasm is implied. If you see me comment on something that doesn't have any proof except that they heard from their sister's boss' dog then it will most likely be sarcasm.
I dunno. If the whole Baldur’s Gate 3 thing didn’t happen so publicly where Larian really seemed to struggle optimizing the game for Xbox, I’d find it fishy, but there’s a lot of difficulties going around, and Xbox simply has a smaller base, so I get developers skipping the platform now. There’s become a precedent for it.
@Northern_munkey The IGN story has thrown me a bit. I've never seen an exclusivity deal like this, where it's not disclosed, the platform holder barely promotes the game, and the developer lies about technical issues in order to cover up the contract.
None of it makes sense to me, but we now have two sources saying the same thing.
Will be interesting to see how the story develops.
Wait... Xbox Series S was a PlayStation idea?
@get2sammyb so you suddenly stop being skeptical as soon as your parent says so now? Sounds more convenient than this story.
@get2sammyb didn't the ftc force sony to disclose exclusive deals last year and it wasn't in the list so I'm a lil confused since these people have access to this info
@get2sammyb IGN posted an article which was pretty bad and now IGN seem to be a credible source? As somebody else just stated you've gone from skeptical to it's believable. Why are game science lying about having problems about getting the game to run on xbox consoles? I can see them having issues with the S but maybe not the series X. It's very strange indeed.
@get2sammyb is it not possible that "game science didn't report any tech issues to xbox" which is what the whole thing is seemingly based off, is simply just that? It doesn't mean game science lied about having issues, and it doesn't actually mean another thing happened regarding exclusivity, it just means they didn't tell them they were having issues 😅 I can't imagine the communication links between a US corporation and a Chinese company being the absolute best, for some reason anyway.
Let's wait for some actual facts at the very least, shall we? Rather than just jump at some US based news sites looking for a little clout based on a very popular game.
Trust your gut, Sammy, and if you're wrong, then it will be strange news to all of us 😅
the source = trust me bro
I like(d) Paul Tassi's Destiny content, but that's about it. He does seem to be overly defensive of Xbox and quite short-sighted at times which puts me off. As another commenter pointed out, he reminds me of Destin Legerie from IGN. I used to listen to Podcast Unlocked (IGN's Xbox podcast) every week for many years, but stopped when Destin was championing Microsoft buying up everything they can and running Sony out of business. That was just too stupid for me.
Come on guys, no point in denying it but Sony doesn’t need any “defense” for doing this, it ain’t the first or tenth time Sony has done an exclusivity deal for a great game (it’d be the third one just this year).
It’s literally just business as usual.
Don't really care. The fact it's on PC and PS5 should be enough. The fact most Xbox games are also on PC, makes me really question the value of an Xbox. I'm no Sony fanboi, either. I've owned some version of the game console they made, at some point. Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Atari, Sega, etc. I tried to even convince myself I needed the latest version of the Microsoft console, and couldn't do it. Having said that, I'm all for gamers/consumers having MORE choices, not less. I have no qualms about exclusivity, against or for it, other than knowing more choices are almost always more consumer friendly than less.
Where's Jason Schreier when you need him? Let's be honest, if this turns out to be true (which I still don't see), then what? The game still won't be released on Xbox anytime soon and Sony spent money to make a game a timed exclusive and not brag about it selling millions of copies. Tell the people Jason, so we can move on from this, please!
@Oram77 yeeee hawww. I'll drink to that. Sources rule!!
Update Paul is getting flamed on twitter right now
This is really boring. Why did I pause playing Vampire Survivors for this? xD
@IOI Thing is, no one is denying Sony does this. We all know they sign as many timed exclusives as they possibly can and always have.
The difference here is how it's been handled. Sony's has barely promoted this game, and it hasn't ever disclosed a deal (when there are multiple examples of where it has). Moreover, you have the developer saying it's facing technical issues, when "sources" are saying they're not.
That's what makes this story different.
@get2sammyb This doesn't make the story different, if this "source" is proven to be false, then surely game science could sue for defamation right?
@Oram77 I'm not a lawyer, but probably.
@get2sammyb correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t Wukong shown at the latest Xbox showcase? So why would they show it there if there was an exclusivity deal?
To what benefit? Why do it in secret? If they're paying money to sign an exclusivety deal then you want to be letting people know about it to drive both the console and game sales, That's just common sense and what sony and all the others regularly do. I couldn't name a single benefit to doing it secretly and not announcing it.
@Artois2 You might be thinking of Wuchang, a different game
@Bluemoon2008 Theoretically if it's actually true, the benefit would be in brand curation, creating the public image that PS always has the latest games and Xbox is always behind on the biggest titles, positioning themselves as Premium and the competition as a second rate product.
I still don't think it would have made any sense for them to do that with this game, but I can understand what the intended goal was if they did, so it's not inconceivable they would have.
Yeah Sony signed a secret agreement and made sure no PS5 footage was shown prior to launch except one small clip from IGN China because that's how Sony do things 🙄🙄🙄
I genuinely doubt Sony signed a super secret, under the table deal to have it stay off of Xbox. Like the article says, when Sony signs a deal to keep a game console exclusive, they usually detail it in ads etc.
This just sounds like leakers trying to stir up drama.
@jrt87 No interest peeking behind the curtain whether it's good or bad? Like, would you care to watch Double Fine's Psychodyssey — which is a very sincere look at the studio's successes and tribulations? Or you just don't want to know any of the toxicity that goes into the art you consume?
I could care less about the IGN article specifically. I don't think there's anythong wrong with bringing up public, arguably problematic dev comments from the past or doing a deep dive into the presumable sexism in Chinese game development. But the article itself, from what I read, was perhaps making to big a deal out of nothing really. So I have no strong feelings about it, save for condemning the abuse the author/s have undoubtedly suffered.
But, again, don't care about that context. More interested to know if you just lack any interest in what goes into art.
@jrt87 Unfortunately you are right, the chase for clout has gotten completely out of control.
It's turn into who can get the "leaks" out first - no need to fact check
There was a news article on PureXbox either a few days ago or last week that said the game is delayed due to a memory leak found during the QA checks and couldn’t pass certification for release on the console.
Why would anyone lie about that when that’s not even something that looks bad for Microsoft?
The developer is trying to get it out but can’t pass what it needs to pass to get the green light. 🤷♂️
UPDATE: This information didn’t come from any official source just another claim from a so-called “leaker”. Though it’s a heck of a lot more credible than whatever this person is claiming.
People seem to be forgetting that developers can develop for what ever console they like or just keep it on pc if they want. I could develop a game and just stick on it PS5 without any sort of exclusivity contract in place.
It's so ridiculous how the Xbots come up with the wildest conspiracy theories because they don't want to accept that the Series S is the biggest mistake in this gen.
@jrt87 exactly and no one has the right to tell you that you should
@IamJT people took the BG3 claims very seriously, to the point where Larian themselves had to come out and say "if Microsoft would agree to assist us in this matter, as the issue cannot be overcome without some compromise, we would release on Xbox immediately", such was the abuse over a sneaky exclusive deal (ironically it was leaked that Xbox at one point wanted to make it a day-1 Game Pass exclusive, and would've gotten it for very cheap if they did).
I would bet this game wouldn’t sell much on Xbox. People who game on Xbox don’t buy games. I haven’t turned on my series X since Psychonauts 2. It just sits there.
Not sure how a secret exclusivity deal would benefit Sony? Sure IF it were true the dev would benefit from getting a bag of $$, but if Sony can't brag about it and market it, what would the point be? Sony have not been shy in the past about announcing and promoting 3rd party exclusives so this seems highly unlikely.
No clue if its true, but ive been holding off on buying it. I dont like shady practices and have plenty to play, so ill just keep holding until its clear.
If so couldn't they have got it printed on some discs? How is it exclusive if it's on pc anyways.
@Vaako007 the minimum requirements for Wukong on PC are higher than the Series S spec. GTX1060 6GB as a minimum, which is more powerful than the Series S. Minimum RAM is 16GB, the Series S has 10GB.
Wukong might well run at less than 1080p on Series S
@Voltan thanks how the hell did I get those two mixed up?
Kinda funny this surfaces on the exact same day that Obsidian have said avowed isn’t ready on Series S (or well along these lines)
@AdamNovice I actually like Paul but yeah he's better for opinions on games rather then console stuff as his bias is pretty clear.
But it sold much more on pc!
Sony is once again protecting their dominance, they're not letting their guard down just because xbox is in last place
A few more people are saying this is true now. Still no response from Game Science or Sony yet.
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@get2sammyb examples please?
@NathanKang Have you played on the S? Do you have information to back up your claim or just spouting nonsense? I have an X, S and PS5 and it is not a crap piece of tech. The switch is not as powerful as a phone. Is that a crap piece of tech?
Sony markets the hell out of signed exclusives. It would make no sense for them to sign a deal and keep it a secret.
Makes no sense to do this, the game was always going to sell way more on Playstation than Xbox anyway. So what would Sony get out of this deal? It's on PC as well which is where it has the most sales and Sony have run no marketing at all.
Just sounds like a few disgruntled xbox shills crying and trying to start some negativity because the game isn't on xbox yet. I suppose Sony also had a secret deal with Baldurs Gate 3 as well?
Sorry but this is dumb. During gamescom we heard that memory leaks on S were a thing. Del Walker literally spoke about how devs hate the series S and how difficult parity makes game making for both consoles.
Sony are usually very proud of exclusivity and would've gone out of their way to promote it.
This seems more like Xbox damage control now that yet another game has gone to Playstation as a lucky exclusive because feature parity burned Microsoft. We know Microsoft aren't really as helpful as Xdev with optimizing and helping other devs and only begin helping once a game is already a hit.
@EVIL-C i mean covid shut downs didn't help when a lot of places were shut down for years
I have the feeling people tend to forget some background details because of the huge success of the game.
This developer is not backed (yet) by any big money company like Tencent in China and their team (according to Wikipedia) is rather small.
Taking their focus market into consideration (China) it is actually nice, that we got
1. A western realease
2. A console release
The China game market is still heavily focused on PC and mobile. So my guess is, for all optimization before and after launch, their first priority are PC Gamers and console will be priority 2.
This explains it for me as well why there is no Xbox version, yet. Xbox is a niche product here in China. Why would a China dev even bother with developing games for it?
If you plan a journey to the west (pun intended) for your games as a indie dev, then the focus on PC and Ps5 makes lots of sense for me.
@get2sammyb It will be very weird if true considering Sony have done zero marketing for it. Would Sony really allow zero PS5 footage being put out prior to launch outside of a 2 min clip from IGN China? Sounds like a strange deal.
eXtas1s, Lunatic Ignus and Schpeshal Nick from XboxEra are all saying Tassi's source is wrong and there is no exclusivity deal.
@cburg I have a Series S and no its not crap but its very under-powered and its clearly impacting gaming. The Kingdom Come devs even stated they had to limit the scope of the game because of the SS. Avowed a MS game is implied to be struggling on SS hence the delay. The SS while a neat console for BC and the earlier games of this Gen was a bad idea and its becoming clear Devs would rather just avoid it.
@LastSaneManOnEarth Funny because this comment is the most antagonist comment on here and said a great deal while saying completely nothing.
@twitchtvpat True, although some studios have handled those interruptions seemingly better than others.
I genuinely don’t think it has been signed over as an exclusive, Sony aren’t marketing it like they had paid for it on the console, but even if they HAD, it is nowhere near as bad as buying up giant publishers…
@LastSaneManOnEarth man, you really got up on the wrong foot this morning, ain't ya?
@PsBoxSwitchOwner ooh can you share the link or which site you got this from? I've seen nor reporting of it
@Rodimusprime1313 When Sony pays studios to make a game for them they do want ownership of the IP if possible. They do that because they lost games they paid for like crash bandicoot to Vivendi who later merged with Activision.
Square still owns everything final fantasy though.
Jeff Grub has chimed in now saying his sources have told him there is no exclusivity deal.
@Rodimusprime1313 "Sony got the copyright to Demon Souls, even though they didn't develop the game"
Sony had their hands on Demon's Souls development considering they're the one who approached From Soft to make Demon's Souls.
One of SIE producer, Takeshi Kajii, said he doesn't like JRPG but he loves dark fantasy genre from Diablo, Wizardry, to King's Field and wants to make action game that similar to those games. So he approached From Soft / Miyazaki who also wants to make a dark fantasy RPG.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130427055305/http://www.edge-online.com/features/interview-demons-souls/
Through Japan Studio, Sony supervised and supported From Soft from pre-production to publishing & marketing. Sony also gave a lot of freedom for Miyazaki to do whatever he wants with the game.
Sony not just own Demon's Souls IP but without them there's no Demon's Souls. No Demon's Souls means no Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Sekiro, Elden Ring, and tons of Soulslike games.
So many devs have remarked that the Series S has been difficult to work with this generation. Xbox should be working with the team, rather than trying to play the victim to a non existing exclusivity deal.
@breakneck it’s over on purexbox
https://www.purexbox.com/news/2024/08/obsidian-says-avowed-is-running-really-really-well-on-xbox-series-x-despite-30fps-target
@get2sammyb Sounds like nonsense to me.
I don't buy the rumour😎
@NEStalgia call me dumb but i heard it was a testing issue. Of course on the MS side. Not so sure it was planned to skip Xbox at launch. But while i am on the subject. BG3 missed Xbox launch. For a console trying to win back players by the dozens after Xbox one, why does some of the biggest games miss the platform and it’s due to MS choices. Look we all know Sony loves to sign deals. We know Sony would Bury you 25 feet deep just to make sure. But i don’t see this being s Sony thing as much as a MS thing. MS is missing out on some of the biggest game of this gen and the PS5 slash Pro is going to be GTA6 land these stories don’t add up as the game sold les than 2 million on PS5.
Even when it does eventually release on xbox x/s platform it will probably need a patch. From my own experience with the game they are not really missing that much if i'm honest, it's a mediocre title with artificial difficulty to pad out the time/length and it's hyped mainly by the chinese nation.
Maybe it wasn't a deal of time exclusivity, maybe Sony paid the devs to accelerate the port and ms didn't. @get2sammyb is it true Sony is actively marketing the game in Asia?
The only thing that's really odd about this is that usually things are just exclusive. Like Stellar Blade was once coming to everything, and then it was just exclusive because of Sony Bucks. But here they said it was technical difficulties with the Xbox that made it a defacto exclusive until they sorted it out. Really weird.
The weird part about this story isn't that Sony would sign a timed exclusivity deal. They absolutely would, they've done it before (as have Xbox for that matter) and I also don't see that much wrong with it. The weird part is that they would keep it a secret.
What would they gain from doing that? Why wouldn't they market it more prominently, like they did with Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin? It doesn't really make sense to me. It seems more plausible to me that there's a lack of enthusiasm to release on Xbox.
@SlipperyFish as you know PC gaming is less optimized which is why consoles can look similar with less strength available. 1080p isn't bad with upscaling technology. The casual gamer won't really care unless the FPS foundry makes a deal out it. As long as a game is smooth is all that matters IMO. A series X is available if an xbox gamer wants a higher pixel count or better graphics.
Whenever there is a rumour about Xbox and things like Gears or Halo going multiplat, everyone believes it… but not this? I wonder why.
I've gone to bed and woke up and I see the discourse is still on going, has there been any revelations or was this just a baseless claim as most of us are suggesting?
I would take issue with part of your article, @get2sammyb.
PlayStation has extremely open about the nature of its timed exclusives, with Final Fantasy 16 and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth being prime recent examples.
So when does this 'timed exclusivity' period end? We have no idea. Hardly extremely open, is it?
And as for Deathloop, I'm certain that part of the reason we saw Sony advertise this so much was precisely because it was actually a Microsoft game that was not allowed on the Xbox console. Basically Sony enjoyed the chance to rub salt in the wound...
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@WhiteRabbit you’re right about the promotion. But if this did happen then it’s a late in the day deal. The game was announced to come to Xbox day one originally. But hey I don’t know! I just think it’s funny which rumours we choose to believe.
And Xbox has not been upfront about its porting. “No red tape” or whatever they said means anything but it doesn’t mean everything. They only spoke up about those 4 games because the internet was on fire with rumours and speculation (and lies).
@S1ayeR74 the game is superb and even though its not perfect its a massive success for the devs. There is so much negativity around Chinese devs and sections of the media demanding the boycotting of games such as this that its just becoming so boring,tiresome and downright embarrassing. I wonder how many of these so called "activists" still eat Chinese food?
Updated the story again with comment from Jeff Grubb, whose source says there's no exclusivity deal. Still awaiting a response from Game Science.
@get2sammyb some other leaker called NickShapeshal or something also chimed in and said something about it being Sony providing resources and assisting in the development of the game and not being an exclusivity agreement.
Again this tracks with Xbox sleeping on the wheel with Bg3 where they didn't take the parity issues seriously until the game became a massive cultural phenomenon. Xdev and PlayStation is known to take an active role in assisting developers.
The secret exclusivity deal story is just a counter to the "Series S sucks donkey balls" chatter.
Why is media trying to cancel this game so hard
Sony made an exclusivity deal with Capcom too because MvC Collection and Capcom Fighting Collection 2 skipped Xbox. Source? Trust me bro 🤣
Man, no wonder people didn't trust gaming journalist when it's so easy to make fake report.
@KillerBoy because it dosnt include a certain subset of people.
If i spend money to make a product exclusive, i would have used this opportunity to advertise the product as an exclusive no? It just doesnt add up what this guy is saying.
@get2sammyb so what exactly do you or pushsquare expect to come out of this? If the allegations are true (not likely) are you going to denounce Sony etc as the conniving corporate monsters some would have you believe or will you call out IGN and it's cohorts for muddying the waters by reporting on rumors? Credibility is firmly on the line here.
It’s not on Xbox because the Xbox series
“s”htt can’t run it. The series “s” has to run everything. What a joke of a design decision.
@Northern_munkey I wouldn't be surprised if we never found out the truth to be honest. Still awaiting comment.
I think it's a bit underhanded from Sony if the original reports are true, but it doesn't make sense and I'm leaning towards probably a misunderstanding.
Microsoft had previously suggested there is some form of deal in place, @get2sammyb, and now the most recent claim by Jeff Grubb is suggesting that that deal may have been for the Developer to prioritise the PS5, which will have been at the detriment of the Xbox (i.e: they only work on the PS5 version, and not on the Xbox version, thus causing its delay on the Xbox), and which also sort of confirms what Microsoft were saying. Whilst not strictly a period of exclusivity, it does that have precisely that effect, does it not...?
So, what we end up with is not strictly a set period of exclusivity, but having the Developer temporarily cease work on the Xbox version, does that have precisely that effect, yes...?
@get2sammyb a misunderstanding? So when it transpires that none of this was true and it was all nonsense but IGN still published that article you'll just put it down to a misunderstanding?
I'm not the biggest SONY fan lately, but yeah, it smells like BS.
@Damage99 Series S could definitely run it if they took the time to optimize it well. The game has very high quality assets, but I think the game would look just fine even with downscaled textures and simplified geometry.
While I don't personally have one, I think Series S makes a lot of sense. An affordable system for GamePass is a tempting offer, and I think that's why Series S has sold far more than Series X.
@Northern_munkey Sammy really should of kept to orignal artical..... we really live in world where it's guilty until proven innocent
@Fiendish-Beaver "He speculates it’s possible the PlayStation maker may have helped on development"
"Game Science potentially may have prioritised PS5 due to its larger Asian audience."
In what part of either of those quotes from Jeff is the suggestion of a deal?
@Vaako007 I don't think you're wrong, console is definitely better optimised than PC, but a whole 6GB less ram is quite a lot. As you say, smoothness is important, but they might be struggling to get 1080p@30fps smoothly.
Hellblade 2 is another game that has a minimum of 16GB ram, also minimum GPU of a gtx1070, and that game runs at a staggering 1536x643 resolution on Series S. Albeit at a smooth 30fps but that's a first party team that will have the best optimisation possible
@Oram77 I would just like pushsquare to actually acknowledge and call out blatant muck raking instead of putting it down to a misunderstanding. Not going to happen is it?
@Northern_munkey I remember when journalism was reporting on proven facts/evidence not on pure speculation....
@Oram77 really? When and which era?
@Malaise to put things into context here I don't care about the business side of things. What irks me about this is that a supposedly reputable online media outlet published an article that so far has no truth to it and its being picked up on and reported on by other reputable (yes pushSquare I usually find you guys reputable) media outlets without having any shred of proof. Its rumour mongering and something I thought was way below pushsquares standards..I may need to rethink this 🤔
@get2sammyb
Is it possible all the journalists/sites who are reporting that a deal is / may be in place (referencing your comment it was more than just the 2 in the article) have got their info from the same 'source' ie 1 person feeding the same story out through various outlets.
Doesnt confirm its false, but the lack of Sony exclusive marketing makes me of the opinion that no deal is in place.
I’m still leaning to a combination of prioritising the versions likely to sell in Asian markets and technical issues (given it doesn’t run great on PS5 anyway)
The lenght those people will go just to deny that Xbox Series is a failed console is quite amusing.
Wukong is as much of an exclusive as BG3 was.
And now Paul Tassi is starting to walk back on his original statement.
IGN & FORBES is an absolute clown show lol.
EDIT: so apparently Tom Warren tweeted and backtracked as well but then he got some grief on his discord about it so he deleted the tweet.
@get2sammybe The latest update is now that Paul Tassi is walking back the claims and claiming that Sony instead paid for port prioritisation for PS5 over Xbox. https://twitter.com/PaulTassi/status/1829458310245826879
This is still being denied by the journalists with connections to Game Science, who insist the development issues are valid. Considering that the "memory leak" rumour is being maintained, while the "corporate conspiracy" theory has been reduced to nothing, it's looking like a complete overreaction.
Another week another rumour and probs another bunch of Muppets getting upset and kicking off before finding out the rumour wasn't true just like when everyone was apparently selling their Xboxes 🤣🤣🤣
@DarkTron Just read his tweet and the back peddling he is doing is hilarious, the comments are eating him alive lol
@DarkTron Yeah and it's starting to look increasingly likely that their source was just someone salty from Xbox, running damage control because it's another BG3 situation lol.
This wouldn't suprise me at all. It's also a good example of to industry titans who have a monopoly on gaming having a pissing match. No one wins in this scenario, unfortunately
@DarkTron "Port prioritisation" sounds like such a non-term. Either it's an actual timed-exclusive or it isn't. It might well be the case that Sony provided additional support, including financially, to ensure it the Playstation port would be ready and running well at release. But if so, it's up to Microsoft to do the same for their own platform.
It's hard to know who or what to believe at this point, so it seems best to just ignore the entire story.
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@HonestHick Yeah, Sony is one of the sleaziest companies around in their backroom dealing, and I feel dirty every time I hand them money, but it's not like Xbox's problems aren't openly visible to the point that Xbox itself just announces the PS versions before launching games lol. "Series S" isn't the problem, install base is the problem. With so few customers and virtually none in target markets (BG3=EU, BM:W=APAC) it's easy to see why devs would simply treat it as low priority. To be fair the same happened to Sony during PS3, where ports weren't necessarily late, but were so poor they probably should have been.
That said, I still wouldn't doubt the story of at least port prioritization if said deal was before Jim left. Spending money to throw breadcrumbs at Xbox while it drowns itself would have been his style TBF. Will be interesting to see if Sony responds in the negative or not. If they say no, it's probably no. If they don't answer at all or answer in vague Spenceresque circles, there's smoke they don't want anyone to notice.
Journalists trying to find any piece of information just to start a controversy and get clicks. This whole thing is ridiculous.
@Fiendish-Beaver Wait. Did Sony not help with the development of Callisto Protocol? Did that also happen at the detriment of Microsoft? Was the game not released on Xbox platforms day one?
Even if this is a very late deal that Sony signed with Game Science, as some have implied here--we have to assume they were willing to shoulder huge legal risks when the game had already been announced to come to Xbox day one--what would they get out of it? Would this have had much impact on console sales? We all agree the biggest market for the game is Asia. Would keeping the game off Xbox have tipped the balance in favor of Playstation in Asia so significantly that it would be worth the money and the risk? None of this makes much sense to me.
I don't understand your point, @allergyboyfun?
No deal, @Intr1n5ic? How do you work that out? So, Sony can just stroll into another companies business and just... help out? Behave...! 😂
The whole saga:
He said this. She said that. Ooooooooooh, it's news now.
This is an article based on an article that is based on a comment taken to mean something else entirely by someone who already had the idea in their head for another reason and corroborated by someone else "hearing something similar" 👍
It is confirmation bias running wild over the internet, and even though Sammy clearly didn't believe in his gut what he has written in the updated articles, it is now on Push Square forevermore for someone else to cite as a source until we actually hear some factual information 😅
@Fiendish-Beaver What are you talking about? You're creating your own narratives based off nothing but speculation. Sony have on many occasions provided help to get a game optimised for their platform, both exclusive and non exclusive. In what way does that constitute a deal being made to delay its release on another system?
I asked you a simple question, from the direct quotes of Jeff Grubb, what did he say to suggest a deal had been made, or better yet, what was said that lead to you stating this: "now the most recent claim by Jeff Grubb is suggesting that the deal may have been for the Developer to prioritise the PS5, which will have been at the detriment of the Xbox".
@CrashBandicoat have you actually played it on the ps5? It actually plays really well and looks great. If a game looks this good after being bashed out in an afternoon then I'm all in for more "afternoon bashers." Sharp corner approaching buddy so hold on tight as I wouldn't want you to fall of the bandwagon...
Wait! What, @Intr1n5ic? Where did I say there was an exclusivity deal? The comment from Grubb does suggest a deal, by inference because without some sort of agreement, Sony could not have helped in the development.
What I said was there has to be a deal of some sort for Sony to work with another company. They simply cannot barge into a Developers office and take over without some form of agreement (a deal!).
So, if the deal is that Sony aid the Developer to work on optimising it for the PS5, then it completely stands to reason that with the emphasis being on the PlayStation, that the emphasis is not on the Xbox, because only one platform is getting help.
To put it simply, if the Developer has 100 employees, with 50 working on the PS5 version, and 50 working on the Xbox version, and then Sony stroll in with another 50 to help on the PlayStation version, then even if the Developer is still working on both equally, the PS5 version will be ready sooner. That is it at its most basic arithmetic. Now, the chances are, because the Developer themselves said they were prioritising the PS5 version, that it was not a 50/50 split. Indeed, it may have been a 100/0 split, and that will entirely result in the Xbox version being released after the PS5 version, because you can bet your life savings that Sony won't have offered to help with optimising the game only for the Developer to then not release it until the Xbox version was ready too.
It may not have been a paid for exclusivity deal, but the net result is the same. The PS5 version was ready first, and thus released first. I don't see what is so difficult to understand about any of that...
I still think it's nonsense.
@Fiendish-Beaver So what speculative theory do you have for Microsoft not offering to help get it ready for their platform?
@Fiendish-Beaver you'd be better off banging your head against a brick wall..no reasoning with him.
I wouldn't mind, @Northern_munkey, but my reasoning is sound. Do I know any of it to be a fact? No, of course I don't, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong...
There has been no suggestion that Microsoft have helped, @Intr1n5ic. Indeed, we have not heard that they haven't either. However, when much the same situation occurred with Baldur's Gate 3, both Larian and Microsoft were at pains to point out that Microsoft was helping, so that would probably indicate that Microsoft are not helping in this instance, but I do not know that to be the case, it simply stands to reason...
@Fiendish-Beaver "Do I know any of it to be a fact? No, of course I don't, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong...."
I understand your position clearly now.
@get2sammyb it makes sense. Sony has invested a lot in China. They have there hero project & announced at the end of last year they wanted to heavily invest in entertainment. They have had exclusive deals with publishers like MiHoYo. So Sony see's it as a key market for growth.
Problem is Microsoft buying ABK gave Xbox a foothold in China. As Blizzard games are hugely popular. So I could see why Sony might want to keep it off of Xbox.
So let me get this straight, @Intr1n5ic; I'm wrong simply because nothing has been confirmed. Right?
So, if I say I believe that aliens exist, out there somewhere. I'm wrong because we haven't found them? That makes no sense whatsoever. Until something is completely disproven, it remains a possibility.
As an example, in 1964 Peter Higgs proposed the existence of the God particle. It was never heard of before, no one knew of its existence, many ridiculed him. 50 years later, the existence of the 'God particle' was proven. It is now known as the Higgs particle. Those scientists that ridiculed him and his hypothesis were totally wrong. My point being, until something has been completely disproven, it remains a possibility.
I'm not, and have not stated that I know what has happened. I know as much about what has occurred as you do. Personally, I do not believe that an exclusivity deal exists. What I do believe though, because both Sony and the Developer have said as much, is that Sony aided the Developer and that this accelerated the PS5 version that we have now. What this then meant was that the Xbox version was not worked on at the same rate (if at all) whilst work was progressing on the PS5 version. None of that is controversial. Indeed the Developer themselves said at one point they were no longer working on the Xbox version, saying 'no one needs that'.
Regardless, whilst you have made up your mind with regards to my view, I have no idea of your logic whatsoever. You seem to be happy to dismiss the views of others, even if those views are completely logical, and do so without offering a shred of evidence as to why I am wrong.
Enjoy living in blissful ignorance my friend. Good day to you...
@KundaliniRising333 They don't market anything? I guess all those massive adds plastered on public transportation in London were fake. They market their massive titles big time stop with the nonsense.
@Fiendish-Beaver I'm sorry what? Are you making this up or are a little al out there? I can't prove anything but it could be so it's true?
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I'm not making anything up, @Flaming_Kaiser. And I never said it was true, I said it was therefore a possibility because it had not been disproven one way or another. However, my point is that my opinion is being dismissed out of hand because what..? It doesn't conform with someone else's? It's what? Inconvenient? You* don't like it? To be clear, I'm not saying they're wrong, because they know as much as I do. However, it makes no sense whatsoever to believe that Sony aided the Developer on the PS5 version, and that the Developer was concentrating on the Xbox version instead. Clearly they either solely concentrated on the PlayStation version, or had a team working on both, which would have meant there were more working on the PlayStation version, enabling it to be out the door first. That is all I'm suggesting. I'm not saying there was an exclusivity deal, or anything like that, just that Sony enabled the game to come to the PS5 first because they aided the Developer.
I'm not suggesting that anything is possible, just that certain things that are currently unproven could be true. When it comes to aliens, there is enough sightings and rumours to suggest that we have indeed encountered them, but that is not what I base my beliefs on. Not at all. My belief is based on the fact that the Universe is so vast, with so much of it thus far unseen that it simply seems illogical to assume that we, here on Earth, are the only lifeform to exist. Couple that with the fact that the Universe is continually expanding (what it is expanding into is beyond me though) and thus as we are never likely to reach the outer edges of the Universe, so how can we simply dismiss the possibility of there being life on another planet that we don't even know exists yet.
*Not you personally! 😂
@Flaming_Kaiser Already have the Xbox and Switch....sick of all 3 of them and getting back into PC lol.
@Fiendish-Beaver F**k me, you're using a Peter Higgs analogy to support your assumptions.
"So let me get this straight, @Intr1n5ic; I'm wrong simply because nothing has been confirmed. Right?"
I didn't say you were wrong. I'm saying making speculative claims without knowing the facts of a situation, particularly when those claims are a deliberate attempt to cover one party in shade, adds nothing but nonsense to the conversation.
Do to the ftc court case all exclusive deals need to be made public or risk a lawsuit at a federal level
Very bizarre series of events. The claim of a secret exclusivity deal doesn’t add up at all. Definitely need some official statements but then, why comment at all if it’s untrue?
@Fiendish-Beaver I did try and tell you buddy..hit the ignore button as he'll never let up.
Where have I cast shade, @Intr1n5ic?
Where have I said Sony have done anything wrong?
Where have I said that the Developer has done anything wrong?
What I have done is give a genuinely possible reason why the PS5 version of the game came out before the Xbox version. That is not the fault of Sony. They are looking after their demographic. The Developers are not at fault, they are looking to their best interests, and that was aligning more with Sony and the far larger install-base. Absolutely nothing wrong with that either.
I simply do not understand your statement. All I was getting at is that if 100 people build one house, and another is built by just one person, it stands to reason that the house built by 100 people will be ready first. I cannot think of a simpler analogy! It simply means that the PS5 version was ready first. There's no shade there, just a simple statement...
My God, there really is no hope for some... 🤪
Yes, sorry, @Northern_munkey. I just cannot avoid trying to explain things as simply as possible... 😂
@Fiendish-Beaver I must have mixed up your posts here with those over at PureXbox.
On here: "Personally, I do not believe that an exclusivity deal exists."
Over there: "Whilst I accept your premise about Sony would usually announce an exclusivity deal PsBoxSwitchOwner, Sony would also have noted the damage to the Xbox brand that is done when a game is delayed due to the S etc. So, in some ways, it makes perfect sense to both sign an exclusivity deal AND say nothing about it, because then you can sit back and watch Xbox being torn apart by its own fans.
In response to another: "As for why they may not have promoted Wukong, take a look at my response directly above this one. Wukong was widely anticipated, so advertising it was not essential, and if Sony have signed a secret deal, then advertising it heavily would put pressure on them to reveal the deal, with the implications being that they had signed it as an exclusive. No need to advertise a game that going to sell itself. I have no idea one way or another whether they have signed a deal. I simply would say that it is not beyond the realms of possibility..."
As I said, speculating on stories like this without knowing the facts adds nothing but nonsense to the conversation.
Say hello to my old mate Northern Munkey for me as well. I'm guessing that silly Northern sausage is still angry with me after all these years. He once told me that he'll fight for everyone to have access to affordable gaming, whatever their financial circumstances are. I asked him if he fights for those same people to have affordable access to the private golf course he plays at every week and I think I upset him.
Give him my love 😉
@NEStalgia yeah i don’t know, i mean i do think Sony does play a little dirty pool at times. But in fairness, isn’t it a platform holders job to go out and make sure there is great games available to it’s platform and give it’s platform a reason to own? Meanwhile MS is buying 3rd party companies for the sole purpose of having those games in GP and the revenue but needing to bring them to other platforms cause well they were multi platform franchises. So it’s giving all these people a reason to say Xbox is going out of business and i am like but how? They weren’t going to have these games exclsuvie to their platform if they didn’t buy the company. It’s clear to me what MS’s plan is now. They don’t want to go to court again and be called a platform holder. Cause that raises flags within the FTC. However Tencent can buy whomever they want cause they aren’t a platform holder. So MS will build a PC/Console for next gen, license it out to ASUS and other hardware manufacturers and i believe try and buy many other studios and say we are no longer the platform holder. We make PC’s and put our games on Nintendo and Sony. The benefit to MS is they continue to grow the library of GP making it even that much more appealing to PC players. Grab all the sales off the other platforms and make so much money in gaming it will make peoples head hurt on these chat posts. Also MS is partnering up with G force Now. It used to be a separate thing you had to login into with your password all the time. No longer now it’s part of your login on Xbox Live. MS don’t give that out to to many companies. I am thinking they are going to drop Xcloud support and hand it over to G force now. Furthermore getting rid of another court loophole so they can buy more publishers. So my little rant here is, Sony is going to run out of software to control soon. That is the end game for MS. I believe in the not to distant MS has the ability to control 40% to maybe even as high as 60% of the software being played. They are just making sure before they try and buy say Sega they have no loopholes that tie it up in court. While also making sure they are making back the money they are spending in game development by supporting Nintendo and Sony. If this is the plan and i have thought this out correctly. Dude it’s actually a genius move by MS. They will have literally won the battle without selling the most consoles. Heck they will even have others making their hardware. Image a $800 dollar ASUS powerhouse PC XBox device that loads Steam, Epic and GP? That is bonkers!! Now tell me what i have missed or that i am crazy. But this is what my findings are showing me. I think they have a end game to beat all end games and be domaint in the space and much to what you said, it’s all about getting the Xbox back to a PC. Make the game for PC and it just works on a ‘console’ that is a Xbox skinned windows PC with a handheld that is a windows base skinned Xbox. Thoughts? Other than Sony is a bit shady hahaha
@HonestHick I thought you were more level headed than this 🤔
@Fiendish-Beaver the rumour has transformed so drastically, that's it no longer accurate to even claim what remains. Something pivoting from a definitive "Sony paid to keep it off Xbox" to a potential "Sony may have provided resources to the team to help develop a PS port" is already grounds to dismiss the rumour, especially as the 2nd comment feels more like grasping at straws.
@HonestHick reading through your last comment again and I can see what you are saying but to end a well reasoned comment out with "Thoughts? Other than Sony is a but shady hahaha" just undermined everything you said. I thought you were better than that to end on a rather sad comment and for you that was quite a sad dig. Come on do better.
I don't know but something about a series S could be the reason it's delayed on Xbox. And in Asia I think PS sold 5 times as many as Xbox. So launching on Playstation first isn't such a crazy choice.
@Northern_munkey it was in reference to his comment of Sony being shady or i think he said sleazy. I mean hey both MS and Sony do some shady stuff, if that upset’s you i apologize but it’s just what big business’s with loads of money on the line do. My favorite company in the world is Apple. But they do some shady business practices. It’s just part of business and i don’t mean it as an insult. As for thoughts i wanted NES’s thoughts on what I believe MS is doing. All this MS is laying down and leaving the game business talk i see online is so silly to me when i think it’s clear where they are going. They want all the money, and they don’t care where you play the game so long as your are buying their games. Throw in a more PC like console with steam and the such and it’s actually a brilliant move. For me it wasn’t as much as being level headed as it was just shooting the crap and talking a little industry with my best buddy NES. We talk games in a bit different manner as we have that connection. For the outsiders looking into my comments I never mean to be rude or offensive. And for the record i do want to double down yes Sony can be a bit shady at times, but you know what, more times than not it benefits their business and the PS gamers as a whole and i am ok with that. If they did do some deal to get a game exclusive and taken off Xbox, well shady or not it’s good business for them and people invested into PS. Nothing sad there sir.
@TommyNL the game is largely selling on PC in China, out of the 10 million sold 1.5 were on PS5. Last i had seen. PC is HUGE in China. Almost as big as Nintendo is in Japan.
Who really cares it’s business and will continue throughout many different types of business.
This time next week we will all playing Astro Bot.
@HonestHick It didn't upset me at all I just expected better from you of all people considering how this load of rubbish has been handled by pushsquare.
@Northern_munkey well again i am sorry the way me and NES banter with each other let you down a little, cause i really enjoy your takes on here and think highly of you. Always have. But again that was just the want and wording of our conversation. NES is a very very close friend of mine and we talk a little more freely if you will then i do on just a normal post. For the record i don’t think Sony did sign a deal last min. I mean i don’t know that of course and nor do i care as i have no interest in that game at all. So i am not digging up all the facts but maybe if MS got it’s head out of it’s you know where they would have dev’s fighting harder to be on their platform is my thought to all of this. Again i am glad you found most of what i said to be decent and the part you didn’t like i can live with that, just know it’s not my intention to have good people like yourself be disappointed in me. 😊
@HonestHick alls good. The way this has been reported on and glorified by certain outlets has really hacked me off. If it wasn't for the guys I chat with and have a bit of banter with and chat with via the ps5 I'd have written this site off a couple of years ago but people such as yourself,kidfunkadelic,titnitin etc keep it worth coming back to...sure as hell ain't the mods.
Games releasing unfinished and stories published with facts unconfirmed.
That tracks I guess.
Paul Tassi really has a bea in his bonnet about PlayStation though doesn't he?
BS from a dishonest xbox appologist. Sad that this is even an article here.. Reporting one highly dubious twitter post as news is poor journalism.
It's funny, a game doesn't come to xbox and next thing won't are doing secret exclusive deals.
No mate, it's just the fact ps5 is selling 10 to 1 all over the world, so developers have to default to the common denominator, which in consoles is PS5.
Also considering the extra cost it takes to port a game along side it.
There are many games I play on PC which only release for PC, and then a years later is released for console. Why? Because they didn't have the money to do it all.
So why would this be any different for a new development team?
Also Xbox has a rule, you have to develop for both series X and S.
Some are just deluded.
The second part of your statement is not a rumour though, @DarkTron. Sony have stated they assisted with the developing the port...
And so you can see that I have not stated once that I believe a secret exclusivity deal has been struck, @Intr1n5ic. That's not the same as Sony being fully aware that by aiding in the development on the PlayStation version will get it out the door quicker, and that will have a knock on effect to the Xbox version.
However, let's put some facts in here, just so you can clearly understand something that is extremely simple:
1. Sony have stated they aided the developer with the PlayStation version of the game. Fact!
2. Game Science stated they were prioritising the PlayStation version. Fact!
When Sony and the Developers began working on the PlayStation version, the Developer stopped (at that time) working on the Xbox version, or at the very least they prioritised the PlayStation version, which means they did the opposite to the Xbox version. Now, for the love of God, you cannot tell me there was no deal between Sony and the Developer that enabled Sony to assist in development, can you? That deal does not need to be about exclusivity, it just needs to enable Sony to assist. Nothing more. When that work then happens, it enables the game to come to the PlayStation first. It is as simple as that. That is Sony doing good by their community. If Microsoft had been on the ball, they would have helped out too, though once Sony began, that may not have been possible for Microsoft.
Regardless, once Sony get their version of the game released first, by virtue of having worked with the developers, that effectively caused a timed-exclusive by default, and even the most ardent Sony defender surely cannot say that Sony were not aware that this would be the affect, and that the Xbox community would tear itself apart over the issue in the process.
I really don't see anything controversial there because it all stands to reason. I don't know how many times I need to explain the same thing before it is easy for you to understand. If a bunch of people work on Project A, and no one works on Project B, then Project A will be finished first, and those waiting for Project B will be upset. It really is that simple.
@Fiendish-Beaver that's it bud you kick that hornets nest a bit more..you are like the kid who keeps putting his hand in the fire even though he knows it burns..🤣 (ignore button.)
I know, @Northern_munkey. I know, I know, I know...! 😂
I just cannot help myself because it is really strange to watch people strain every sinew to defy truth, reason, deduction and logic to blindly defend their little plastic box, when all the time that little plastic box, to which they have pledged their undying allegiance, has no regard for them whatsoever... 🤪
@Fiendish-Beaver I'm out at the golf course at the moment but I'm keeping an eye out on this thread..have fun 👍
@Fiendish-Beaver
Quicker than what, the same announced launch date for all systems? Talk of a knock on effect is conjecture.
We all believe this to be the case but can you provide me with a link to Sony's statement, I haven't seen their official comment on it.
I haven't read this either, can you provide me with a link so I can. I'm not saying it's untrue, I would just like to read the statement from Game Science on it.
Speculation.
If Sony helped with their version, which I believe to be the case, an agreement would need to have been made to facilitate that. How that affected development on any other platform is again, speculation.
Not necessarily. If optimization for the Series X and S had gone smoothly then all versions could have potentially been ready for launch. Without knowing the facts it's just an angle you're pushing.
When the delay was announced more than two months before release, Microsoft stated: We’re excited for the launch of Black Myth Wukong on Xbox Series X|S and are working with Game Science to bring the game to our platforms". This is also when they implied a deal was in place with Sony, but provided no evidence to support that, and haven't since.
Of course, but we don't know who was working on Project B, so speculating is pointless unless you're trying to form a narrative.
@Fiendish-Beaver "I just cannot help myself because it is really strange to watch people strain every sinew to defy truth, reason, deduction and logic to blindly defend their little plastic box, when all the time that little plastic box, to which they have pledged their undying allegiance, has no regard for them whatsoever... 🤪"
In psychology this is called projection.
Or, @Intr1n5ic:
SELF-DECEPTION:
In psychological terms, Self-Deception is a process of denying or rationalising away the relevance, significance, or importance of opposing evidence and logical argument. Self-deception involves convincing oneself of a truth (or lack of truth) so that one does not reveal any self-knowledge of the deception.
Touché... 😂
@Fiendish-Beaver Speculation and assumptions are forms of evidence and logical arguments?
I'm not going to get to read those statements from Sony or Game Science, am I? 😞
I love how this game has become a battlefront for DEI-vs-GamerGater cultural, anti-vs-pro-China political and XBox-vs-PlayStation console fanboy wars simultaneously.
@SweetSummerShunv what? The only DEI bobbins etc being peddled was by IGN and the toxic journo who wrote the article. Most of us on here haven't given much creedence to such rubbish because that's exactly what it is..utter rubbish just as are the rest of these rumours. Also there are no console fanboy wars being raged in the comments section here..at the moment.
@Northern_munkey He is just making up a scenario without any proof and says I never said it was true? What kind of discussion is that I don't have to ask if he lives in the USA where his vote will go. This discussion is so backward that it feels like I'm losing my sanity.
@Flaming_Kaiser who are you talking about?
@HonestHick I think the biggest problem is, whether or not these rumors are true currently, the problem is Sony's credibility in such matters is so dismal because they do have a history of backroom dealings that are of dubious ethical and sometimes legal standing. Heck that was the birth of Playstation, when they tried to out-cheat the king cheater Yamauchi and screwed him on the Nintendo Play Station with last minute changes in the terms. When Playstation was BORN from deception and cheating...... that's its whole identity really. They haven't changed much. Neither has Nintendo. The whole modern gaming industry was born in a yakuza den.... Sega and Konami too.
When Lance Armstrong shows up to your local shuffleboard competition and somehow wins most of the time, and someone suggests he may be cheating...... All the people screaming that there's no proof of it, and it's baseless are the ones covering their eyes. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but when a known cheater is said to be cheating, and refuses to even deny it......well....some conclusions are likelier than others. Even if he really is the most fit one of the bunch.
The only problem I see with your future for Xbox there is it seems far too organized and well thought out for a company that seems to think nothing through entirely. Not just Xbox, but the whole of MS. Going back to the big Copilot launch, they literally walked out on stage and threw Intel/AMD under the bus after 30 years of partnership just to get ahead of Snapdragon (echoes of Yamauchi + Philips = N64 in front of aghast Sony reps), they didn't think of any problem at all in proudly announcing their Recall feature that takes constant snapshots of everything you do on your computer and stores them. They don't seem to think 2 steps ahead these days. I think you probably know much more about the future of their strategy than they do.
I like your idea, and it's a logical idea, and I think it WOULD be a genius move and change the game. But today I think Xbox is as predictable as Nintendo. You expect Switch 2 to be a beefier switch 1, when it might really be a pink jumprope with a console built into the handle. You expect a PC platform Xbox publisher future but what you might get is a Xbox X180-S that runs MacOS.
@NEStalgia hey it either says you think a lot about me to say that’s a good plan or you think that little of MS to do something nearly that smart haha.
I do think that would be the way for them going forward. I mean something people never seems to think about is. Google makes apps for the iPhone and android os’s but still have their own Pixel phones. Sure they don’t sell as much as iPhone or Galaxy’s but they sell enough to be made and support their apps and software. Why can’t that work for Xbox and MS? Let Sony and Nintendo be the Apple iPhone with the closed ecosystems and exclusive features and software. It makes sense to me and I’d like to think i know a thing or two. I don’t know everything and get it right all the time but hey, who does?
Yeah i sure hope Nintendo seen all that money they made with Switch and make a more powerful Switch 2. But never count on Nintendo to do the thing you think or want them too. Also expect the opposite. HAHA
@HonestHick You can always count on Nintendo to run the marathon backward, fall off an overpass, land on a train, that takes them just behind the finish line, and they end up crossing first.
@NEStalgia never more true words about Nintendo. Haha
I mean hey it’s good to be good they say. Nintendo just has that IT factor. Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda they are just going to sell. I seen somewhere were it said Nintendo has made more on the switch then all the other Nintendo consoles combined. Now i think they meant non handhelds. But yeah i could see that. So the logic move would be Siwtch 2 right?……… right? …… Haha
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