
Another Horizon adjacent announcement, another intense round of scrutiny as rowdy social media users accuse Sony of attempting to “force” the Guerrilla franchise on fans.
During its CES 2025 press conference this week, PS Productions bigwig Asad Qizilbash confirmed his department is working with Columbia Pictures to bring Aloy to the big screen. It had previously plotted a TV series adaptation with Netflix, but has seemingly changed direction after that project collapsed.
But as was the case with the reveal of LEGO Horizon Adventures and various other projects related to the property, it’s been instantly met with a wave of negativity.
Even our own article on the announcement was not safe, as the platform holder was accused of trying to “brute force” the franchise’s popularity by one reader.
But the most intense criticism has emerged on the ever-optimistic social media platforms, like X (or Twitter) and Bluesky.
“I am convinced that Sony mistakes Horizon’s sales for enthusiasm about the IP and I don’t think they’re the same thing,” journalist Imran Khan curiously opined. “I think a movie could find an audience with new fans maybe.”
As of 2023, the Horizon franchise had sold over 32 million copies, spanning Horizon Zero Dawn and its sequel Horizon Forbidden West. It’s since received two spin-offs in the form of PSVR2 launch title Horizon Call of the Mountain and the aforementioned family-friendly outing LEGO Horizon Adventures. The original game was also remastered for the PS5 late last year.
The insinuation that people spending their money to buy and play the games is a case of mistaken “enthusiasm” is bizarre to us, but this kind of discourse is par for the course for the action RPG.
We’re not even convinced Sony is “pushing the IP down our throats”, like is so often insinuated. Four games in eight years does not seem entirely unreasonable to us, especially when two of them are spin-offs.
We appreciate there’s a multiplayer instalment in the works, and rumours of other related projects, but they don’t really count until they’re officially announced. We also know there have been expansions, ports, and remasters, but this just seems typical for every major franchise these days.
Some argue that PlayStation CEO Hermen Hulst, who climbed the corporate ranks from managing director of Guerrilla, gives the franchise preferential treatment due to his career trajectory. But there’s really no evidence to support the idea the series is getting greater internal support than any of Sony’s other hits, like The Last of Us or God of War.
To be honest, this narrative is really beginning to wear us down. We accept Horizon, like any entertainment product, has its critics – and that’s fine.
But we don’t need to hear the same old arguments every single time a new associated project is announced. If you don’t like Horizon and don’t want to engage with it, just ignore it. If it truly is as bad as social media says it is, the sales will collapse and it will go away.
Until then, there’s millions of people around the world who like Aloy and the Guerrilla series.
Is Sony milking the Horizon franchise? (1,688 votes)
- Yes, it's time for something new now
- Eh, maybe tone it down a bit
- Nah, the series is getting the support it deserves
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"I am convinced that Sony mistakes Horizon’s sales for enthusiasm about the IP and I don’t think they’re the same thing."
Sony is so stupid for thinking that sales of their product mean people want to buy their product. Idiots!
"PlayStation keeps pushing this IP down our throats and literally nobody cares about it"
33+ million sales between two games says otherwise.
But more importantly no one is forced to buy it. Don't like it? Then move on and allow those that do enjoy the series to continue doing so.
I don’t get it? It’s a story about Katniss Everdeen fighting post apocalyptic robot dinosaurs and unravelling a mystery. What about that screams “bad idea for a film”?
I’m not even a fan of Horizon, it’s ok but not really my thing. I just don’t understand the hate.
Wait, do people not like Zendaya!?
It's a superb series. I played horizon zero dawn on the ps4 and I've just recently played through the ps5 remaster which was superb. I also bought the sequel and expansion which was on sale recently and its in my queue of must play next games. Not sure how a movie adaptation will pan out as they are rarely much good but you never know. The sales figures speak for themselves and some people just need to get a grip and realise those who don't like the franchise are in the minority and this franchise is not aimed at them.
@ChrisDeku I’m old and spent about a year thinking she was a medication before the first Spider-Man film she was in got released 😂
If this franchise sold 33 million copies then it would make sense to make a movie but 32 million is just not enough
Are ‘rowdy’ people mad about it being a woman, or wasn’t there something about pubic hair in the sequel that enraged the vocal minority? It just feels like there’s some silly insecure man things bubbling underneath all this
I don't like the Horizon series either but I'm not going out off my way just to hate on something like that
If a movie etc isn't for me I just ignore it. It's not like as if Sony forces me to watch it
I’m sure if gorilla announced the new IP tomorrow the same lot of people will be raging about that to just like they did with intergalactic, they’re just a bunch of sh*t birds
So now big sales != enthusiasm about the IP? Then people buy it because they don't have anything else to do with their money or what? LOL.
What many Horizon haters don't get is that Sony pushing Guerrilla's work isn't exclusive to Horizon. Killzone had 7 releases in 9 years and 4 of those 7 were directed to test and promote new technologies (ps3, psp, ps4, ps vita).
People love to hate on Horizon because of Aloy but the fact is this is so much more than just Aloy, this isn't Sony saying "those Horizon guys they buy everything", this is them knowing the world of Horizon is so good it's perfect to try new things and diversify the product. The machines are perfect to sell LEGO, at the beginning of development Horizon was a multiplayer so it makes sense Guerrilla is making a multiplayer, the machines are the most spectacular to see in VR, it's a post post apocalyptic world so an MMORPG isn't a crazy idea, the machines have the best chance to capture eyes in theaters for people who don't even know what Horizon is.
It's very simple.
As always everyone's using a magnifying glass to vocal minorities to make them appear huge. It's the state of the internet nowdays.
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I guess those people would complain about Nintendo pushing Pokemon back in the late 90s as well. Nintendo released 5 Pokemon games, 1 anime and 4 animated movies in the first five years of the IP. I doubt they would have done this if the sales of the games and the success of the anime hadn't been great.
Now Sony can't push a IP that sold more than 30 million copies with just two games + DLC to other medias just because...
I just don't think Horizon is that good or interesting of a series so this won't interest me in the slightest. Still wishing for the day that Sony brings back Killzone, especially since every game from them has been third person games(With the exception of an embarrassment of a game).
@GymratAmarillo it's well known that one of the biggest problems in the world is we all have too much money. We're helplessly forced to buy games that we don't want to even see, never mind play because it's too painful to let all that money pile up. Also little known fact, Horizon is the only videogame series available to be purchased
It's Robot Dinosaurs. That's a film I'd watch by itself. You don't even need to add "post-post apocalypse" to make it cool.
For the series itself, I still maintain that Forbidden West was a big downgrade in writing quality.
My belief is that John Gonzalez, the lead writer of Fallout: New Vegas and Zero Dawn is a genius at world building, and him leaving early in Forbidden West's cycle was a big loss.
Sadly he moved to a new Spanish studio who we've heard zilch from since.
Some of us are old enough to remember people being angry about things like this not being considered newsworthy.
I mean I'm tired of horizon but what do we expect Sony to do? Not make money off a profitable franchise?
@ThomasHL - That studio got shutdown even before it revealed its first game. John moved to Fantastic Pixel Castle (an studio owned by NetEase) since and it's writing for a MMO they're developing.
I thought the remaster was unnecessary but it’s a great IP and I’m hoping for a third game at some point
This is so bizarre. Back when a trilogy of games would come out in 3 years were people complaining? Where’s the Resident Evil hate? How about Assassins Creed, COD, Mario, Halo or God of War. Granted some people complain about those but not usually using the same language.
Reading between the lines the simplest and most rational explanation is it’s more of the culture war BS.
I don't know why you shine a light on this. There will always be a vocal minority on social media who react negatively to everything, it's not newsworthy.
@Intr1n5ic But it is click worthy and draws engagement, views and comments.
We’re both guilty as charged
@ED_209 that's sad news. And I can't imagine I'll play a NetEase MMO so it might be even longer before I get to see his work
"IF" Sony is pushing it down everyone's throat then it's only because the product is working nah? The game sold crazy it ain't a niche game
Nintendo Life has a letters page where users’ views are shared by the team to encourage community spirit. Push Square writes a snide article directed at its own users because of opinions about literally one series in the entire Sony lineup.
This isn’t even labelled ‘opinion’, this is an article from the editor targeted at users here essentially saying ‘YOU’RE WRONG’
Horizon is like Avatar. Everyone online is always ready to dump on it online but the sales show a different story.
@themightyant You're right, and that perfectly encapsulates what I dislike about modern day journalism. I shouldn't have engaged 😄
@nessisonett It’s kinda getting bad, isn’t it?
And on today’s episode of making a mountain over a molehill on a couple minor comments…
I myself am definitely not a fan of this series at all. But I’m not going to just start trashing it every time an article is written.
@LavenderShroud The funny thing is that there’s never been an article written specifically to refute points raised by users here that bordered on racist, or homophobic, or transphobic on comment sections discussing DEI or ‘woke’ games or whatever, which happens pretty regularly. So those are fine but mild criticism of Horizon is just unacceptable. That’s where the line is.
horizon is a fantastic video game franchise with impressive sales. plenty like them..
I love both games and the IP. Couldn't be happier to they are making a film.
The world is truly ripping itself apart, and the news agenda being hijacked by trolls on social media sites is just one facet of this.
You don't need to look far to see that we are starting to witness the inevitable decline of humanity - the back story to Horizon has never seemed so apt...
"Nintendo keeps pushing these Mario games down our throats. I think they misunderstand that millions and millions of sales is not the same thing as enthusiasm. Every single system has multiple Mario games. Sure they sell well and I keep buying them. But I'm just so tired of Nintendo shoving the plumber down our throats."
-Nintendo fans if their brains functioned like Sony fans.
Zendaya is amazing so by that logic Horizon is modern day STAR in an era where there are very few.
Lol just saw the guys Twitter. Basic bitch anime PFP (Spike Spiegel), Blue tick on modern twitter meaning they pay monthly and Bloodborne banner art. The usual otaku/FromSoft nerd.
@UltimateOtaku91 I know right! I can’t understand why people feel the need to comment on things that don’t interest them, just move onto the things that do. There seems to be a mentality that if you don’t like something you should make everyone know about it, just move on
@Ultimapunch It isn't Sony fans either. I think it's just gotten so much negativity because of the FromSoft fans (that whole UI/UX thing that devs were talking about in their personal accounts) and weird Twitter and Youtube influencers who got upset over peach fuzz.
As we know, the Horizon games both famously released when there was nothing else to play so people bought them despite not being excited about them - makes sense!
@get2sammyb This guy is obviously some kind of brain genius that sees things we don't to get to this conclusion.
Sony have more movies and show announcements than they do real known fully announced first party AAA campaign games.
Especially for release in 2025, ghost 2.
How times have changed from the PS4 days 🤣
@themightyant AC does get hate now but because of a black protagonist in Japan. Don't let anyone say otherwise.
Im sick of hearing youtubers and people who once worked in some major site stating their opinions like its gods words. Everyone now just opens up a youtube channel buys a camera and thinks he speaks for all the gamers . Thats not true and people need to stop giving them the power to feel that way. Just keep enjoying the games you like and everyone that disagrees let them be . Im 36 and the negativity after the covid period has grown uncontrollably .
I think the first two Horizon games were entertaining enough, but nothing groundbreaking. I certainly have had more than enough Horizon for at least a decade. I also didn't quite see the point in Zero Dawn remaster.
I sense that Imran Khan might be a Killzone fan.
@breakneck That's completely fair! It sadly does.
Freedom Wars. I couldn't give af about it. How dare Sony licence it to Bandai Namco and force me to buy it. I was going to use that money for food...
I'm convinced that there's a large number of hyper online (or as someone here recently said, "terminally online") people in the world atm who are so burned out by media and social media consumption that they don't know what they want anymore.
Nothing makes them happy, and they react to everything like it's a personal attack.
@OldGamer999 Ikr, thankfully Microsoft can’t sell water to the dehydrated over on Xbox, so they’ll be keeping us well fed over on PlayStation 😉
I don't get the hate for it.
If you like the series buy the games, play the games consume another related media as you see fit
If you don't just don't buy/play it and keep your mouth shut.
Seems those with negative views on an IP etc shout loudest and most often
I think it's more that a lot of people are fed up with so many sequels in franchises that's are becoming a bit stale. It wouldn't be such a problem if games didn't take so long and cost so much to make. Now that Guerilla only make Horizon content they are essentially gone for me now, which is a shame considering how talented the studio is.
I still haven't gone back to finish Forbidden West, and that's nearly three years old now. It's fine, but the thought of another cookie cutter sequel on the horizon (ha!) does not excite me in the slightest. I don't hate it, and they should be able to work on whatever they like, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to say they find the series dull and want them to move onto something different. It was the same with Tears of the Kingdom. Even at 5+ years after Breath of the Wild, I could have gone a good while longer without a follow up. I still haven't finished that either.
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Someone on twitter said something bad about horizon? Quick, write the article!
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I voted for "it's getting the support it deserves".
F* the naysayers who never interested or dislike Horizon. I myself want more Horizon so bring on those mecha dinos to the big screen cause i will watch it!
My understanding is sales numbers for Horizon games are significantly stimulated by the "bundle" offering, but some of those 32 million consumers are bound to like the game at least due to first-hand exposure.
Either way, I happen to be one of them appreciating the IP and believe it to be an excellent basis for a movie.
For real dude I've made my stance on this subject known and quite frankly I'm tired of it. I'm completely cool if you don't like Horizon hell even if you despise it but as I said on a previous article I'm tired of people who don't like Horizon having this mindset of "Well I don't like it therefore no one else is allowed to" another issue for this is around the time Forbidden West got announced the culture war grifter types suddenly decided oh Horizon bad Aloy bad and ugly and their loud whining is contributing to a lot of this anti Horizon BS
Personally, this isn't a "Horizon is a problem" issue, it's a "Guerilla make boring games" issue.
Technically they're very proficient, but I don't really like Killzone or Horizon. I think they have real issues writing interesting characters and stories.
And I think they do get special treatment within Sony, especially now Herman Hulst works directly for Playstation. The combo of this means you get loads of games from this studio, but they have nothing to interesting to say.
I do think a good director and writing team on a Horizon movie could flesh out Aloy a bit more and combine the games storybeats with some actual interestng writing and a good actor portraying her.
But I am definitely bored of Horizon games and think Guerilla should move on after they close the trilogy out.
Meh, the vast majority of those 32 million sales were from the first game (which I loved).
The 2nd game sold a fraction of that and the PSVR2 and Lego games have sold barely anything.
Sony are flogging a dead horse with this one, I'm afraid.
They're above average videogame junk food. The Five Guys to Ubisoft's McDonald's. Forbidden West was a great graphical showcase for PS5. Zendaya for Aloy!
Also why is indifference / not being fussed reported here as simmering hatred. You're a sensitive boy ain't ya Tommy?
@LordAinsley horizon could improve like you wouldn't believe it if only Guerilla would hire a new writer and make a new protagonist with better voice actress.
couldn’t use a better word besides hate ?
Obviously Sony try to promote Horizon as much as they can, it's one of their most successful franchises at the moment. Whatever andecdotal evidence people try to use against it, both the critical and commercial figures only point one way. Maybe franchise fatigue will set in at some point, but right now there aren't really any signs pointing in that direction, beyond some very vocal people on the internet.
Speaking about very vocal people on the internet, they are not interesting. I do wish this site would stop giving them attention. On the other hand, I'm commenting on it, so I guess I'm part of the problem.
@Ultimapunch is being a fan of both not a thing or what..
I'm a Horizon fan. I've platinumed both titles in the series and played both expansions.
I can't deny that it does seem like there is a lot of Horizon either out or...well...on the horizon. I don't agree that you "can't count" projects that have yet to come out. Why not? As far as we know they are eventually going to come out. Sure plans can change like the Netflix show situation but even then now we have a movie in its place. It reminds me of how the MCU was a few years back when it felt like every time I sneezed a new Marvel movie/TV show was announced. It just got to be overwhelming.
I think there is a bit of truth on both sides. Some people really just don't like Horizon but obviously there are plenty of people who do like it so I don't understand that particular mindset about "no one" liking it.
Is Sony milking it? I can see how some might feel that way. There are a lot of Horizon things either out already or coming down the line. I can also understand people who are excited for some of those projects. I am too! Though not all of them. The rumored monster hunter like does nothing for me personally but I'll see the movie if it looks well done.
I honestly am not a fan of horizon. It just doesn't appeal to me and mainly because I just never liked the protagonist as I find her dull.
I have bought both games on day ones, but haven't finished a single with the first one having about 20 hours clocked while the second one poor sub 2 and now that I have ps5 pro I can't even give it a second chance because the free ps5 upgrade needs the PS4 disk to be played.
The remasters however were completely unnecessary and should have spent that time elsewhere..
@ChrisDeku
Yeah I'm surprised too at this.
She seems pretty cool and level headed when she talks, she obviously works very hard and appears to have a stable relationship, as well as having great style and a bit of Hollywood glamour.
A fine role model I say - what's not to like about her!?!!
I fall in the category that it’s enough. I finished Horizon Zero Dawn (excellent game), Horizon Forbidden West (good game, but copy past of big bad AI) and Horizon Call of the Mountain (Vomit fest due to amount of ghosting). The writing in the last main game (forbidden west) was really bad imho and totally destroyed any hype I had for a sequel.
EDIT: I am beginning to dislike Pushsquare for the bait articles. It seems to me that the writer also dislikes other opinions (and pushsquare in general) as the bans are given left and right. Just close the comments if you dislike opinions other than yours.
10/10 franchise and not up for debate.
How many people bought the LEGO Horizon game?
Have you considered that she's disliked BECAUSE she's pushed so much? Makes her seem like an industry plant.
All the Killzone games dont even have half the sales of Horizon which one will Sony choose.
We'll see. A number of the folks involved in greenlighting this also greenlit Concord. Won't be surprised if the movie bombs, but if it pops off, good on Sony.
Hopefully they'd use the profits on giving us a Killzone game where you play as the Helghast. A man can dream (= be delusional).
@Korgon Better not make more Killzone games then they have way more entries.
Imran Khan - and other criers on Twitter - should probably remind themselves that most people who buy video games are casual gamers who see ads on TV, catch a review, hear from a friend etc. They're not the people who spend their time whinging on Twitter about everything.
Horizon sold, so it makes sense Sony would make a Horizon movie. Twitter is not real life.
@Cikajovazmaj I remember Dring commented on this once, he said - "less than 15% of horizon's sales are the bundle." Anyway unless there's a sale on the bundle it is priced at £50 more.
There are definitely people who love this game. I wasn't a fan but it's one of my dad's favorite games of all time and he's been gaming since the early 1990s. The sales are good as well. So it naturally means there will be people watching the movie too.
I'm not really sensing the "simmering hate" in Mr. Khan's comment there.
Lets be real people that hate something do way more effort to make it know. People who play it and like wont waste their breath. And with the generation of entitled little gamers its even worse.
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@colonelkilgore
Absolutely more Xbox studios big AAA games for PS this year than from Sony studios.
How times have changed since the PS4
It’s seems all a-bit strange, but ok of course 🤣
@VanguardKaiser What’s wrong with X? I’m not a user but having such strong feelings about anything borders on unhealthy.
@Sanquine I agree.
I think its OK that they made a sequel, but the game itself is proof that they haven't really got much else to say about the world, it was very grasping to build some sort of story worth seeing through and ultimately failed.
After that, I didnt need a remaster. The lego game is fine but I dont like lego games that much so didnt bother.
The VR game annoys me because they put it forward as the "Playstation Studios" franchise to respresent in VR and its just not very good. Now we probably wont see an Astro Bot or Last of Us VR game.
It was also a chance to play as another character, and they failed to make that character interesting either.
It’s a mixture of console warriors and misogynist with a very small percentage that actually don’t like the games. It’s just funny though because the two mainline games sell extremely well,review extremely well and are nominated for goty among other categories at all the major awards shows yet there’s no enthusiasm or nobody likes the games lol. It would be mostly funny if it wasn’t also so damn pathetic that the series lives rent free in the haters heads
@Golem25 @LordAinsley yes because it would be a great idea to let people play as space nazis smdh
@Burnish1619 lol you can’t be serious
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@Cambrius my guy the sequel sold 12 million and that’s after Sony admitted they cut the legs out from underneath it by putting it on plus too soon don’t be a hater it’s not healthy. The vr game is one of the best selling vr games on psvr 2 and the Lego game wasn’t made by guerilla and was mid and even than we don’t know what it sold.
I want Horizon 3 more than any of the side projects, will I be there day one at the cinema for the film? Hell yeah!
I do worry the side projects maybe be diluting focus from the third game, I'm hoping we see the announcement for H3 sometime towards the backend of this year with a release before the PS5's life cycle 'ends'.
@dark_knightmare2 yes they actually do.
If you think the mainstream reviews are the right avenue for judging a game's artistic merit, I'm sorry but you're completely off base.
Reviews are meant to describe a product, not a piece of art, and that's exactly why mediocre, run of the mill games get high marks.
But then again, you bring up sales as a testament to the games' quality, so I'm not sure we're on the same page as that's the first thing you learn to decouple from art when assessing it as, well, art and not a product.
@Mintie yeah same I really want to see how they end the trilogy and have no interest in the monster hunter like co op game even though I can see there’s potential for it to be a big hit
@dark_knightmare2 No idea what youre talking about seeing as I also said that I think Killzone is rubbish.
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I’ve yet to play HFW but really enjoyed HZD. One of my favorite things about the game was the IP — this retro-future world that they built. Aloy is a great protagonist, and the lore and setting are really unique. We have so many games and game series that recycle the same settings (military shooters, Greek or Norse mythology, feudal Japan, Sci-Fi space, Medieval Europe, classic Tolkien fantasy, Star Wars, etc, etc) and so I honestly felt that Horizon brought something new to the table. The Native American vibe with futuristic robot dinosaurs and beasts… pretty cool in my opinion. There wasn’t anything like it before, from a setting standpoint. I think it would be fertile ground for a TV or movie adaptation.
@LordAinsley that was an accident I don’t know how you got included into my reply that’s my bad. I was responding to someone who dreams of getting another Killzone and want to play as the helghast
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I personally really liked horizon zero dawn, and also horizon forbidden west, which was better than horizon zero dawn in any way. It just wasn't as surprising as zero dawn. I also really liked call of the mountain (likely I am the only person), it has a beautiful world, offers a fun little adventure albeit without much of a challenge. Most likely, I will not watch that movie. I also did not watch any of the other video game movie adaptations. And I don't really care if these adaptations exists, or not. But I assume these adaptations are a good thing since they might bring video games to people who had not been interested in video games at all. If as a result more people buy video games, this means more money for the developers and as a consequence with some luck higher quality games.
Anyway, these outcries when ever somebody mentions horizon, are ridiculous. Nobody ever complaints if there is yet another installment of call of duty, fallout, elder scrolls, gears of war, resident evil, zelda, etc.
It just got popular by some vocal audience.to hate on anything playstation be it naughty dog, horizon, insomiac or new devices etc.
No hate for HZD, each one gave me days of enjoyment and the world building was fantastic. If I had to hate anything it would be Twitter/social media, it seems people just use gaming on there to try to make others as miserable as they are. Saying Sony is shoving the IP anywhere is ridiculous, they own the IP and can do whatever they want with it, no one is forcing them to watch the movie. These companies are out to make money, they don't run off of lollipops and rainbows.
The first game was good and kept me entertained, the second was better technically but overall worse as it felt very weighed down by the amount of open world stuff they put in the game, whilst at the same time they seemed to cut back on the underground ruins that made the original interesting.
Its the biggest problem with checkpoint collection games now, everyone just want to one up the last ones size and you end up with a 16h story with a 54h side helping of boredom.
Female Protagonist!
That is all that needs to be said to get the larger male game population pissed off about a game franchise going multi-entertainment.
It pisses very insecure men off when a female becomes a very large protagonist in ANY form of entertainment!
@dark_knightmare2
No. HZD sold 24.3 million on playstation 4 and over 2 million on PC.
HFW sold just over 8 million. I don't know where you got 12 million from.
Lego Horizon sales aren't looking good and PSVR2 is a niche product so sales were always going to be low.
The direction of travel is clear to see.
I already mentioned that I loved the first game. I put 92 hours into it, including the DLC and I recently bought the PS5 upgrade as I want to play it again, so please keep the 'haters' comments to yourself. I simply have no interest in the sequels and, judging by sales, I am in the majority in that regard.
“We’re getting tired of this discussion…so let’s write a condescending article that perpetuates this very tiring conversation.”
@Flaming_Kaiser
I mean I wouldn't say no to another Killzone. I love those games! And the fact there are a good amount of entries in that series proves it did pretty well for itself. It also seems like the recent Helldivers crossover has done pretty well for itself too outside of the pricing controversy.
It's kind of funny how some Horizon fans get upset about people saying no one likes Horizon and then go on to do the exact same thing with Killzone for some reason. Both are successful franchises in their own right! Why do people feel the need to tear one or the other down?
@Kriandis but its also mainly men that make them successful
If you don’t like the idea. Don’t watch it?
Why can’t people just ignore things and go about their lives.
Sony is milking horizon like Elsie the 🐄 cow.give me another game dog.word up son
I think horizon is the Avatar of the videogames world, good games, sold a lot, but not many people think about it, there's no hype for it.
The brute force comment was definitely uncalled for I hope the barberian who said it feels terrible and apologizes immediately 👀
I personally don't have a problem with more Horizon within reason, when they said they were done with Killzone and all they will be making is Horizon games with no pause for a different IP then yeah that's a problem.
What a useless article. Some people don't like the IP so what? A lot of people are unhappy with how sony has been this entire generation of ps3 part 2.
@dark_knightmare2 No worse than playing as whatever the Helldivers are supposed to be.
Besides, the ISA / Vekta are unironically the bad guys in Killzone lore.
The IP is getting milked a bit, like a lot of Sony IP this generation. It's hard to say if the film adaptation will be successful like the main game or rather decidedly not so like the Lego game. Sony films are very hit or miss.
I do get the whole "if you don't like it, don't watch it", but don't be surprised if a lot of people don't.
I played and platinumed Zero Dawn, FW and Call of the Mountain. Perfectly enjoyable but not my favourite game series however I bear it no ill will and would play a third mainline game.
To be honest, I wouldn't even hear about the series if I didn't frequent this site so confused about the brute force comments. It's perfectly reasonable to not enjoy something and give an opinion on it but no one is forcing anything on anyone.
And whilst I accept that this is not always the case, unfortunately, I suspect most of the criticism comes from a more nefarious place (like most things on X) and is less related to game quality, narrative, world etc and more to with the main character.
@get2sammyb yep, so stupid. Like people would ever buy products because they like them. People only buy the Horizon games by the millions to keep them out of store shelves, to protect unaware consumers.
@nessisonett 100%. Push Square need to write another article saying "YOU'RE WRONG" to all those readers as well.
As long as whatever it is aligns with my own worldview. Then I'll be happy 😌
@themightyant The voice of reason perfected. I'd bet you'd make a great middle manager. When's your book out?
@get2sammyb I don't think you're understanding the point Imran was trying to make with that tweet. I'm a fan of the games, I have zero dawn and forbidden west.
The appeal of the games isn't necessary going to translate to other mediums as for many, the reason they like it is because of the concept of hunting machines in a beautiful, post apocalyptic world. Which explains why the attempt to translate the games sucess into lego failed. They don't necessarily like the characters, for example.
Will a movie be able to show enough of what people liked about the games? Maybe🤷♂️.
@KyleKittenmouse I have 3 in the NY Times best seller lists, now retired, play games full time... when i'm not tearing up comments sections
Please don't give that xbox fanboy Noir any attention
Is it really hate or just IP fatigue?
Basement dwellers need to touch grass.
Recall how poorly the Lego Horizon game apparently sold. Does anyone think a God of War or Mario or Zelda-themed lego game would sell poorly? I don't. I think that tweet about "mistaking sales for enthusiasm about the IP" is hitting on something.
That said, I also feel like the IP has attracted a particularly vocal hatedom online, and their opinions don't necessarily reflect the common consensus.
@Ultimapunch LOL Nintendo needs to push Mario games further down my throat. I'm so ready for a new 3D Mario game. I can only replay the old games so many times.
First game was really good with a interesting story. 2nd game was still fun, but story was all over the place. Actually liked the tighter DLC best and that last boss-fight was great. I would watch a movie when it hits streaming. CGI-spectacles is not for me.
Leave the games alone filmmakers and come with some new ideas !!!
Love Horizon just played the remaster and I’m now playing the second, hope the film is as interesting as the games.
The thing that's puzzling me about Horizon is that it's somehow the most successful modern Playstation IP, yet there's zero community around the game. I've never seen a single Horizon meme, no joke, no edit, no nothing except that one Nicocado Avocado ones, which I doubt are from fans. Everything about this game seems like a Potemkin village to me, an artificial success to make it look better than it is.
But hey, do you want to know the reason why those evil, mysoginistic racist incels online are "hating" Horizon? Let's look at Horizon IP products:
Horizon Zero Dawn
Horizon Frozen Wilds dlc
Horizon Zero Dawn remastered
Horizon 2 Forbidden West
Horizon 2 Burning Shores dlc
Horizon VR
Horizon Lego Adventures
Horizon tabletop game
Horizon Lego set
Horizon tv show, now turned into a Horizon movie
and the cherry on top is stating that they basically axing Killzone, because it isn't "cheery and colorful" enough (yep, that's the reason they gave)
meanwhile Bloodborne IP:
Bloodborne
Old Hunters dlc
tabletop game
guess whose fans are begging for sequel, remake, remaster, ANYTHING? hint: it's not Horizon
you can cope about woman hating chuds all you want but a lot of players are tired of same old formula of open world Ubosoft-style action adventure and preferred treatment of Horizon over Sony's many great IPs
The IP itself is great, has lots of potential and the movie could actually work really great, that being said, they definitely need to tone it down, we’re getting too much Horizon too fast, plus the fact the second game wasn’t as good and the Lego game straight up sucked isn’t doing any favors.
It’s not hate, it’s fatigue of getting too much of the same.
@Ralizah I don't think the Lego game in any way reflects interest in the main franchise. They're very different things targeting a completely different audience. I could definitely see a God of War based one failing as well. Successful Lego games have always been based around well known IP with much greater reach than those games: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Harry Potter, LOTR, etc. Lego Horizon was simply a mismatch.
Mario and Zelda are a different matter. They're in a class of their own with many decades worth of guaranteed quality and an appeal so wide it goes well beyond video games.
I love the games, even though the second game's story was sub-par compared to the first, but I am not a fan of all the movie/tv adaptations happening in the industry. Because my first experience was an interactive game, all other experiences lacking that interactivity make it lackluster. That's just me though. It's the same for book to movie adaptations, just never compares to the book. The only upside is that you can produce a movie a lot quicker than developing a game.
I love Horizon. You can cherrypick examples of dumb hatred for anything thanks to social media. This article feels unnecessary tbh
I think its less of a Horizon hate and more of an Aloy hate.
They could try a Horizon spin-off with a new protagonist not related in any shape or form with Aloy just to see if it works.
I could be wrong, but wasn’t Sony counting the codes bundled with ps5s for HZfW as sales for the game? There was a shortage of ps5s at the time, so millions of those sales are due to bundles that people really didn’t want. Well, a lot of them, anyway. I think Sony thinks it’s a bigger hit than it is.
Casting Zendaya as Aloy would make this tweet a lot funnier. Zendaloy?
Hopefully, Aloy won't behave as the arrogant despicable brat she was in HFW...
The first Horizon Game was good, great even.
The second game however, did not hit with me. Story was kind of all over the place and every quest, I sh-t you not, every damn quest is a fetch quest.
I get where people are coming from, where it feels like we're getting a lot of Horizon content lately, but imagine if Horizon only got one game and Guerilla moved on to a new ip.
We'd be talking about where a sequel is, and how it's wasted potential, and draw comparisons to other dead/dormant ips, and how the series got Bloodborne'd.
"We’re not even convinced Sony is “pushing the IP down our throats”, like is so often insinuated. Four games in eight years does not seem entirely unreasonable to us, especially when two of them are spin-offs."
I guess we're not counting the Horizon Zero Dawn remaster then? If you include that then it's 5 games in 8 years. And if you start counting from 2022 onward then its 4 games in 2 years. Yeah. With this framing in mind you can clearly see the oversaturation of this IP. Even if it doesn't bother you personally or even if Horizon is your literal favorite franchise ever, its still disingenuous to imply Sony isn't milking Horizon in some way shape or form. It should be fairly obvious to anyone at this point, regardless if you're a fan or not
A ridiculous narrative and sales mean it will get sequels.
I’d love Sony to look at Killzone, Resistance, Motorstorm and Drive club and give us new and improved versions. But I have no hatred that a game that sells well is getting some love.
I own a couple of the Horizon Dawn games but not actually played them before anyone says my opinion is based on loving the franchise
I just checked the second tweet in this article and saw I had the person blocked and after checking who they follow, I realized why lmaooo. Grummz type shiiii
I have no opinion on the news piece of this article or Horizon, but this should be an editorial. The solution is actually in the content of article "if it bothers you, ignore it."
@Ralizah Literally what I was saying in the other article that apparently is ‘simmering hate’. Horizon somehow has sold a bunch of copies while making absolutely zero cultural impact. I struggle to think of anything that has sold that many millions of copies while leaving zero impression at all. How often do you see Horizon fan art or covers of the soundtrack, or even bloody ships between characters? It’s a plastic void of a fandom which is baffling considering how hard Sony push it. There’s more fan presence for games with 0.1% of the budget and sales. The most I’ve heard anybody outside of PlayStation sites discuss the series is included in a group of games when people are asking what exclusives to play. It’s an afterthought.
Horizon as an IP feels like it’s overdone because it has had 5 game releases since it’s original release in 2017. The main problem there being that of those 5, only 2 are main series entries, and the first game Horizon Zero Dawn is represented 3 times.
Horizon is a high quality Sony IP and it deserves success and recognition. But at times the marketing and use of the IP seems all over the place.
Love Zero Dawn, one of my top 10 PS4 games and, possibly my favorite new IP of that gen. On the other hand, Forbidden West is one of the biggest disappointments for me this gen but it still sold well and seemed mostly well received. I don't blame Sony for pushing the IP a lot but at this point, I'm not really excited about more movie adaptations of video games beyond Sonic and Mario.
Want to start this by saying I loved Zero Dawn and Forbidden West, and actually just finished replaying both. IMO the real problem is that Sony is creating projects for this IP that are unwarranted. Horizon was already a video game, so adapting it into another kind of game entirely that strips the story and combat elements was a choice that's proved to have been foolish. Lego Horizon toys? Cool, put it on the shelf. Lego Horizon game? Meh, I already have a real Horizon game with these characters and a proper narrative.
Horizon I think could've worked better as a Netflix show with time to let it breathe, but I struggle to see a world where a movie comes out that succeeds in covering Aloy's backstory as an outcast up to the proving, traveling from the Nora sacred lands to Meridian and all that came with that, meeting Sylens (RIP Lance!) learning about the old world, potentially the frozen wilds of they wanted to cover that, so on and so forth. It's a lot to pack in, this would have to be a 2.5+ hour movie, and that'd just be scratching the surface of Zero Dawn's narrative. It seems more likely that Zero Dawn alone would be broken up into multiple films to properly flesh out those characters and narrative.
I think they need to just focus on making Horizon 3 for the time being. I'm all in for more Horizon content, I just don't want them to oversaturate the brand with potentially rushed projects, or things Sony execs think will sell.
I enjoyed the two mainline Horizon games but I can definitely live without a movie.
Maybe if they got the director and writers of Prey (2022) Dan Trachtenberg and Patrick Aison to tackle it the film could be something special, but I don't know who else could really pull off a good Horizon movie that actually captures the essence of the games.
The people who hate this game sure do spend a ton of time lurking in the shadows ready to pounce on any news about it. Y’all are some miserable mother🤬ers!
If Aloy was a man i bet the online hatred would be very different.
@PorkChopExpress The game world is beautiful but I fnd Aloy incredibly bland.
@nessisonett @Ralizah I think it's not too difficult to ''force'' sales by just heavy marketing. If you market something well enough, people will buy it. Once something garners enough interest, other people will also want to try it. The game are objectively not bad at all, so there's also not much negative talk that would otherwise deter people from buying it.
Sure, the 30 million franchise sales mean something, but that doesn't mean everyone who bought the games is going to stick around for movies or spin-offs.
It's what Nintendo did with the Wii U. The Wii was a massive success, so anything bearing its name would sell well too, right?
I think that Horizon just has a very general appeal. There's surely a small core fanbase that will love any of these side ventures, but the larger audience doesn't really care.
I have to admit that I do not understand the level of hatred for these games. That might be the wrong word. That is to say, I find the games enjoyable, if a little repetitive after a while.
I remain sceptical about the movie, however. Simply because I do not understand how the games could translate well into a two-and-half hour film.
There is also the fact that a lot of the backstory is convoluted, and almost impenetrable. I cannot imagine it would appeal to newcomers, without being greatly watered down.
But I imagine that the same thing could have been said of the two recent “Dune” films.
@Czar_Khastik our resident sarcasm guy is back!
@DennisReynolds the thing is, we who think (and by that I mean KNOW) this to be true, will always be refuted by those who feel this way. It’s like when someone says something uber racist but never directly mentions race so they’ll say “When did I say anything about race?” Gaslighting at its worst!
@get2sammyb It is totally fair to separate the Horizon games from the Horizon IP. The two mainline entries are excellent games, but the IP is just not that exciting. If you think this is some wild social media conspiracy theory, you're surprisingly disconnected from the mainstream sentiment.
Do you really want to use games sales as a barometer? Ok, so how well is Lego Horizon doing so far? Do I need to remind you that it has a "Lego" stamp and that it's out on the Switch? This should be making waves, but it came and went like a fart in the wind.
Why? Because the game is just fine, and the IP is not strong enough to carry it.
@DennisReynolds If Aloy was more appealing, I bet the online hatred would be very different.
@Octane @nessisonett Yeah, I think Sony pushes the mainline games hard with sales, bundles, marketing, etc. and does well with them that way. They're big budget games with mainstream appeal. But the IP itself isn't really ripe for expansion in the way they want it to be. There's not really room for an entire universe of Horizon products.
I mean, it'd be nice. I actually like Horizon. I even collected the comics. But there's just very little interest in it as a broader IP.
I’m seeing a pattern with these “articles” from Sammy. He takes something that isn’t really news, but that he doesn’t like, and uses whatever info there is to editorialize his “correct” opinion. This isn’t a news piece, it’s opinion.
I think they need to mark these as editorials, or opinion pieces to start. In the meantime, is it possible to manage the news you see on the site to omit stories by a specific author?
People are idiots. That's all I have to say.
If Horizon's gets you that worked up, just stop playing video games or make your own.
Or go be an professional edge lord and maga-melt your brain. The rest of us are going to enjoy what we play without your tantrums.
@Art_Vandelay Aloy is a perfectly good character as is. If these fools wanted a overly sexualized girl for their games, they can click on one of those ads on their favorite fap site.
These kids are ridiculous.
@MaelysLeFleau Fun fact: It still isn’t newsworthy, but these sites need to relentlessly post content, even when there isn’t anything of value to say. This article is a perfect example.
@greengecko007 "Horizon as an IP feels like it’s overdone because it has had 5 game releases since it’s original release in 2017"
Lol. 5 games since 2017 or in the span of 7 years is NOT overdone especially when only 2 of those are mainline games. Now compare those numbers with how many games Assassins Creed, FF, or Mario has in the last 7 years. FYI in 2017 alone Nintendo released SIX Mario games.
And the first Horizon took 5-6 years in development with the sequel took 5 years to come out in 2022. After Forbidden West, there's only 1 spin-off; a VR game co-developed by Guerilla and Firesprite that released in 2023, 1 remaster developed by Nixxes and released last year, and 1 Lego game co-developed by Guerilla and Studio Gobo that also released last year.
Outside video games there's only comic adaptation with Dark Horse which imho is pretty good, a Tallneck Lego figure which many people loves it, a board game, and now a movie adaptation is in the works.
So i'm baffled with people who claim Sony "milked and pushed Horizon too hard" when Sony did nothing excessive with the IP. There's no cashgrab mobile games version or even off the brand collaboration with say Wendy's, IKEA, or a car manufacture. Heck, the only appearance Aloy has outside Horizon was in MH World, Death Stranding, Fortnite, Genshin Impact, Fall Guys, and Astro Bot.
I'll never understand why people get so upset about things they're not the target audience for. No one is forcing us to buy things we don't want to buy, or watch things we don't want to watch.
I don't mind the Horizon games and its protagonist Aloy. Do the same people making the argument "Sony pushing the Horizon Franchise down our throats" give that same comment to the Call Of Duty and Assassins Creed franchises. How about all the "Souls" games from FromSoftware and all the knockoffs?
No it's incredibly successful u promote the franchise that's popular
If the movie goes well compared to the tv series being cancelled. However they handle it compared to the Uncharted/Last of Us productions.
What angle of the game or a different character or whatever the case. Then again, remaster and movie, sigh like Uncharted 4/Lost Legacy bundle isn't it and they won't bundle bother Horizon games that would be ridiculous and fewer are going to buy Call of the Mountain.
If it works it works.
To me there is enough series like Ghost of Tsushima/Yotei kind of things out there in anime/live action form. A historical, and whatever angle to go from. Plenty out there and keep coming out even besides games.
But many like Horizon that's a different answer as I assume not so, the combination and story telling likely has more a chance then so many others in a crowded market like the other. Some may but in this era, not sure. People can make comparisons but I think it has a chance/stands out enough because of what it offers. It's just if they handle the CGI robot creatures (not just dinosaurs) well, and the story and the other events.
Uncharted was a different case I think as sure an action adventure/explorer movie but how many Tomb Raider, National Treasure, Indy or others weren't out at the time besides the delays? Were they? I don't remember but probably not so it came out at a good time probably.
Horizon I think doesn't have much competition so it works out. If it lands that is and how they present it.
Last of Us I mean there is many survival or horror type shows but in the way it does not sure.
@PuppetMaster Assassin's Creed and Final Fantasy are indeed good IPs to compare to, and I definitely get the sense that these IPs are suffering from a sense of fatigue too, deserved or not.
To be clear, I'm not saying I agree with that feeling, but it's hard to argue that others are not feeling that way when the evidence is around us. Best we can hope for is that Sony handles the IP responsibly, and that the "yays" outweigh the "nays".
What I find strange is how sharply worded this article is, especially the last paragraph. It seems emotionally loaded and doesn't quite fit the usual tone of this website.
@themightyant (#25) maybe the editorial staff and management agreed on opening up a new Overton Window of how they could push engagement with the site. The whole tone of this opinion piece seems off, way too emotional and aggressive.
@WavesOfActivity (#140) exactly this.
@czDante92 (#127) damn that's a damn good analysis! I never looked at it from that angle but it makes sense. No one on the web, especially YouTube (or at least in my feed) talks regularly about how meaningful of a franchise Horizon is.
@DadJKP (#103) One hundred percent.
@Kriandis (#101) that's a pretty lazy analysis and seems as a shallow repsonse to anything regarding a "culture war".
I agree with detractors that the stars of Horizon are the giant robot dinosaurs, the bow and it’s many arrows and the vast, verdant wilderness but I think they are great hooks to hang one’s hat on. I love strong characters in games but I am a longtime gamer (since the Magnavox Odyssey) and in action adventure games I care more about the action and the world than anything else.
Without footage I have no strong feelings about the movie but I’m interested in seeing whatever the next game is (I skipped the Lego game but loved the mainline games and mostly enjoyed Call of the Wild).
That being said I’d also be fine with Guerilla doing something new or even making another KZ game (for my money the current high point of the franchise is KZ2, which was the closest thing to the PC’s F.EA.R. on console).
I personally found HZD to be boring as hell, so never bothered with the rest. Just felt like a run of the mill Ubisoft game.
A movie however, I could be interested in that, I mean it has all the ingredients to be a cracker if done right.
I dont hate it. I've platinumed them both but I find it pretty forgettable and Aloy is a bit bland.
@Hyena_socks "They don't like Aloy because she's a woman"
@beltmenot And it's good to be back!
I’ve said it before so I guess I’ll say it again: multiple things can happen and be true at once.
1. Literally no one hated Horizon ZD. Most people loved it as a new IP, interesting story and Aloy was an endearing character. As matter of fact, the only controversy I recall was focused on left-leaning “journalists” complaining about Native American cultural appropriation.
2. FW stirred up a hornet’s nest at first because there was a soft facial redesign of Aloy that, objectively, made her less attractive. A big deal? No. A sign of attempting to spread “The Message”? Possibly. But then we had the controversy of how Sony handled PS4-PS5 upgrades. Then the game itself was fine but not a large enough leap. Then you had DLC that continued to push “The Message” by bringing in Aloy’s sexuality. It was a perfect storm of things that lessened excitement for the game and the IP.
3. As some have stated, why are other IPs rotting away but this one is somehow alive and kicking? That is a genuine sentiment some feel.
4. Lastly, it is a legit statement to say that sales don’t equal enthusiasm. First, even though the first Horizon hit really well, those sales are also held up due to it being bundled with later PS4 models. Then you have the remaster. Someone compared it to Avatar earlier and that is so perfect. Data shows the second film made billions of dollars but I swear I’ve never met anyone in person who has seen it.
Now that social media is becoming an AI bot hellscape can we stop writing articles about how social media reacts to things?
@StopBeingTribal "Perfectly good" is not good enough. Lead characters have to be awesome to carry an IP, and Aloy just doesn't cut it for most people. Again, the two mainline games are great, but not because of her.
Sexual appeal is surely one way to make a character stand out, but it's far from the only one.
Was absolutely loving this game and then it got removed, I refuse to buy it because the minute I do it will be back on ps plus guaranteed
I'll have to be patient
@Art_Vandelay While I respect your opinion, it doesn't change anything for me. Arguing about this is as productive as arguing about who's favorite color is better.
It's very simple folks, if you don't like Horizons, don't buy it. I could care less if all these little kids with tantrums want to review bomb metacritic because they have a boo-boo with their big feelings.
Unless Horizon series is part of the school curriculum and exams now, any allegation of it being "forced" upon anyone is but a routine example of addiction-imposed consumerist stupidity. Not the first and sadly not the last.
@Korgon I like Killzone my favorite is part 3 i platinumed it but i do think its a vocal minority that goes mental when talking about Horizon.
I dont see a lot of Killzone hate but i dont hear lots of people have a big passion for the franchise either.
The Franchise is cool but the last entry was so boring trying to be a Killzone COD stripping all the identity they had.
For me if that is the new route then im ok seeing it die.
@Flaming_Kaiser
Oh I see people pretend Killzone was never very popular to begin with and Guerilla would be foolish to return to it over Horizon. I see that sentiment almost all the time whenever Guerilla's history in general is brought up. It's just as foolish as anyone saying no one likes Horizon.
I personally loved Killzone Shadow Fall myself. To me it was the perfect launch game for PS4. Great showcase for the console. Good lengthy campaign and great multiplayer to keep me occupied until other titles began to come out. Never did quite get what folks didn't like about it but to each their own.
Old man yells at cloud, x1000. Why is PS reporting this?
The second game was awful, the character changes they made to turn aloy into an absolute ***** with a terrible attitude was a bad choice. I no longer have any interest in the character to the point it was the first port to PC I never bothered to pick up because I have no intention of playing through it again. She was insufferable. Standard gameplay was tolerable in the first but mix it with that character and it's a big nope.
This article is very defensive and quite patronising. Basically telling people to be quiet if they don't like Horizon. Personally I think it's a gorgeous series with an interesting world that fails to deliver with its bland story and characters.
I wish Guerilla or Sony would let someone try there hand at Killzone with a PvE / battle royale experience
@Korgon I miss the heavy feeling with the shooting it distinct feel i got with Killzone 3 and the others.
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