Xbox boss Phil Spencer has stated that future livestreams and showcases from Microsoft shall feature PlayStation and Nintendo logos when they're relevant. Talking to XboxEra, Spencer explained that the company wants to be "honest and transparent about where the games are" shipping. So, when Microsoft streams its presumed Xbox Games Showcase in the summer, you'll know there and then if a PS5 port is planned.
Spencer says the Xbox team actually had this discussion last year when planning its June livestream, but it couldn't get all the assets ready in time once the decision had been made. As such, DOOM: The Dark Ages was announced for PS5 immediately after the digital event.
"I just want to be transparent with people — for shipping on Nintendo Switch, we're gonna put that," Phil Spencer said. "For shipping on PlayStation, on Steam... people should know the storefronts where they can get our games, but I want people to be able to experience our Xbox community in our games and everything we have to offer, on every screen we can."
If the latest rumours and suggestions are anything to go by, Microsoft could well be using a lot of PlayStation logos in its trailers this year. Forza Horizon 5, Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition, and Age of Mythology: Retold are confirmed for PS5 already and will be released in the coming months. Besides them, ports of Halo: The Master Chief Collection, Gears of War, and Senua's Sage: Hellblade II have been heavily rumoured. Microsoft already has future titles like DOOM: The Dark Ages and The Outer Worlds 2 announced for Sony's current-gen system.
Now, when Microsoft's annual June livestream arrives, we'll know instantly if a PS5 version is planned. Are you happy about this move from the Xbox console maker? Share your thoughts in the comments below.
[source xboxera.com]
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Good move, this way people aren’t left in the dark whether it will or will not come to PS5
It will be kinda weird in 2028 to have a new PS, but not a new XBOX.
Lack of competition is the stuff Concord is made of.
@PushSquareUser I think a new Xbox just recently got approved
It's all about honesty and transparency, now that they're not competing on the hardware front. When they were competing on hardware they used to embargo games revealed on their shows for 48-72 hours before they could even mention the PS or Switch version existing 🤣
It's a good move. First thing I did when seeing the games that were revealed at the recent State of Play was look them up on Steam for a pre-order page to wishlist them.
@LogicStrikesAgain A mobile device sure, but I don't think that a mobile console can be counted as a flagship device if you are not named Nintendo.
People have access to their XBOX games on PC and thus most portable gaming devices.
"Everything is Xbox" - Phil Spinach
Phil Spencer, honest! transparent!🤣
@PushSquareUser Oh, was it the handheld that got approved? I thought it was a full console, my bad havent really followed that news thread
@PushSquareUser Microsoft already approved Xbox next rumored to be released in 2026. So upcoming Xbox & multiplatform games will be played best on Xbox next until the arrival of PS6 (2027?)
Not sure why they felt a need to say this. As their strategy changes quite often. At first it was just four games to PS5. Then here we are. So just because a game at a showcase isn’t announced for PS, doesn’t mean they won’t change their mind quickly. So people will continue to speculate with each game from Xbox studios hence forth. And since they are doing another Xbox console, it will only get worse.
@Dr_ENT Highly doubt that a console that just got approved will release next year though, maybe if it’s a handheld
I think Xbox’s approach to increased transparency is going to be a great success for them. Slowly but surely their PR is moving in the right direction and they’re finally making games. Sure, Xbox has proven that they’ve lied in the past and made mistakes, but it does feel like Xbox has figured out a path that makes more sense for them, now that they are being clear with the trajectory. I think they were afraid of losing fans, which did happen, but they made a sensible business decision, and the Xbox brand will likely become something more attuned to being a Steam competitor than PS competitor, depending on how the future of gaming runs. After all, it certainly seems that many people are more and more console agnostic.
@Vaako007 They’re just fully committed to being a 3rd party publisher now, and want people to know. They knew they had to gently transition in this position, so they were being very wishy washy before. But now that people have gotten used to the idea, they’re all in
Xbox has planted so many "we're going 3rd party" seeds that their offices has turned into Little Shop of Horrors.
Another article teasing us with a gears of war release. Begging them to just announce it soon
@somnambulance
Are they actually though? Most of the games they’re releasing are games that already existed, that they purchased and changed the name of the publisher on the box. That’s good for them as a business, sure, for shareholders etc. From a consumer perspective it’s a strict Zero Sum Game though.
When games like Fable, Perfect Dark and Everwild get released then we can say they’re making games. The games they’re making from scratch are still the games most likely to take forever unfortunately.
Switching to this after the transparency they showed us with the likes of Persona 3 Reload and Metaphor: gaslighting people to think they were exclusives. They are really embracing defeat and I won’t miss these practices.
The question is, @Vaako007, why buy an Xbox when you can play their content on the PlayStation, as well as all the stuff that is actually exclusive to Sony? People often cite Game Pass as the reason, but much of the stuff available on Game Pass is also available on the Sony Service, with the only real advantage being that you can play Microsoft's first-party content on Game Pass, whereas you have to buy it to play it on the PlayStation (for now!). If you intend to play 3 or more of their AAA games in a year, then maybe Game Pass is more appealing, but then on top of that you have to factor in buying an Xbox console, and, if you don't intend to buy both consoles then you also have to consider that you are cutting yourself off from playing those games that are exclusive to the PlayStation if you only buy an Xbox.
I know that many of us currently have both consoles, but that was mostly because we (wrongly) assumed that both consoles would have gated content. Now we are entering a phase where only Sony does, and with the difference in what both consoles can do being absolutely minimal, you really do have to wonder if there is a need in buying both anymore. That is especially true if the consoles come in at around the price of the Pro. Two lots of £700-£800 is a heck of a lot of money to drop, when truthfully, you only need one console, and if you really are thinking of spending that kind of money, is a PC an even better choice?
Honestly, watching Xbox, as a console, dwindle to nothing is both sad and ultimately not good for any of us. Competition drives excellence, and without competition, complacency sets in...
if they don’t release a gears collection and instead release the bad ones (4/5) i’m gonna be livid. that would be a horrible first impression on PlayStation
I wonder if they'll create a subscription service for PlayStation, a bit like what Amazon does on Steam, where you have to pay an annual subscription like Game Pass to play their games on PlayStation, Nintendo and Steam?
It's about being honest and transparent but it also has the teeny tiny side effect of advertising to make a lot more money.
Any increase in transparency is a good thing. Waiting for this strategy to play out is just tiresome.
But it is also another small sign they are leaning hard on being a 3rd party publisher and not a platform holder.
@Bingbongboyo if they stop making xboxes then I think you will see an Ubisoft+ like version of gamepass on PS with all their 1st party stuff linked to it.
Of course, they're a third party publisher now, nothing more. If they try to release a Xbox next-gen, nobody is going to buy that *****. Also, releasing a handheld would be dumb, no one actually buy their consoles, why would they buy a handheld.
is there a problem being transparent or you guys really want xbox to fail
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Would love the same on Playstation tbh. Most times I have to go check on other sites to know.
@PushSquareUser Microsoft are fully committed to a next console publicly and have restated it several times since announcing Playstation ports.
All plans are subject to change of course but most of the money and effort in developing the next console outside of final hardware samples has already been spent. Consoles take so long to develop that pulling out now is really too late. They will probably release their next console and see what happens.
Well at least it’s good information and allows gamers to see what games are coming to what consoles.
Will be interesting when a new big game like gears e day gets another trailer to see if it’s PS5 as well or even if it is they won’t say as it’s such a big Xbox game.
Then say well at the time we didn’t know but 6 months we can say it is coming to PS5.
@Lowdefal Apparently they sold only a few million consoles in 2024. Why bother?
@PushSquareUser you acting like a playstation fanboy but ps or microsoft doesn’t care about our opinions or feelings, they’re making money, it’s true
It’s sort of weirdly working on me. I’m looking forward to DOOM, Indiana Jones, Forza Horizon etc far more than anything Sony have on the horizon.
@ChrisDeku Hellblade 2 hadn't started work when Microsoft bought Ninja Theory in 2018. Avowed is only just launching and it's not clear how far along it was if at all when Obsidian were acquired in 2018. Fable hasn't been released and started development in 2018, seemingly after Microsoft purchased them, but possibly just before.
So those games were developed under Microsoft's ownership. As was Indiana Jones. The Outer World's 2 was commissioned after acquisition, given the first game was in development during it.
I'm sure there are others. Yes it has taken a long time for Microsoft to get a good portfolio of regular releases, but that was always going to take a few years for them to get up to speed after they started buying up studios in 2018. This is why they have games coming when Sony is finding holes in its release schedule, they are "between" games at most of their studios. However I don't think the suggestion that Microsoft have simply rebranded large parts of their release schedule from other publishers really holds up when most of their recent and upcoming releases were commissioned after acquisition.
@PushSquareUser The eternal question. But right now they are committed and that's the part that is relevant in the discussion of a next console.
How relevant that console will be a as console competing with Sony and Nintendo is another matter.
I accept this rose, Phil. 🌹
In a world of rampant war and greed, I'll happily see the two logos side by side. Brothers in arms.
@GigaGaia Considering how many PC and component makers are tripping over themselves in order to make Steam Deck "clones" and the thing largely stopping them from selling more units is the operating system they run on, Microsoft has a central role to play.
Microsoft make hardware too, and it makes sense for them to provide a version of Windows actually suited for that market and if they are doing that, why not wrap it in the Xbox brand. They will go after that market because directly or indirectly, they make money. With Valve opening up Steam OS to other companies, Microsoft need to pursue that market category one way or another.
He said in the same article: "It's one of the reasons that investing in our own platform is important. *But there are people, whether it's their libraries on a PlayStation or Nintendo, whether it's they like the controller better, they just like the games that are there."
*I think this statement is very true and something many people don't want to admit. I would rather play a game like Avowed or Starfield on my Playstation console because I already invested time and money on that system and prefer the Playstation controller over Xbox. It's just what I grew up with and prefer. Exclusives are just cheery on top for me and Sony obviously has the best exclusives based on my personal taste.
@donv2135 They are really not selling XBOX systems tho
@Lowdefal Maybe with some caveats i can see Playstation allowing Game Pass on their platform. Provided they remove the 3rd party games, MS pledges not to go back to making consoles and they get a good cut from the GP subscriptions.
@ChrisDeku Avowed, South of Midnight, and Doom are all scheduled the first half of the year. Regardless of purchasing the developed or not for most of these, MS has owned most of these developers long enough to where most of the production has been under the MS banned or through the MS pool of resources. That’s irrelevant as an argument though because no one makes that argument against Sony, who has done the same thing, just nothing as high profile as Bethesda and Activision.
I anticipate that many PlayStation users will no doubt be more excited about what Microsoft brings to PlayStation than the current slate of first party titles from Sony, and I expect that’s part of the strategy. “You want Uncharted, huh? Well, Sony isn’t doing that, here’s Indiana Jones.” Xbox knows this and they’re committing to it. Xbox didn’t have games for half a decade so they made shifts and now they’re committing to a plan and it’s generating excitement.
Microsoft will going 3rd party like SEGA.
Makes sense and helps prevent situations like when Xbots were gloating here about Persona being "Xbox-exclusive" due to those marketing deals. Never saw any of those accounts after the PlayStation and Switch versions were announced, strange...
@somnambulance uncharted will always be better than indie
@PushSquareUser not remotely true. most xbox game purchases online are NOT available on PC
@PushSquareUser ummmm technically the next new PS is an Xbox.
There will be one more Xbox console which will fail even more so than the Series S/X which have so far done worse than the Xbox One which done worse than the 360, anyway you see the trend.
Microsoft can see the writing on the wall and so are transitioning this gen to become a publisher only and when all their games come to Playstation next gen that will be the final nail in the coffin.
I wish MS was stronger competitor. I fear Sony will be more anticonsumer. This is fist step towards end of consoles
@UltimateOtaku91 I just don't see how people don't see this. nobody is selling their PS5 to buy an xbox, but me and countless others seem to be selling / shelving their series X to buy a PS5.
The next xbox will sell horribly.
Sony should do this, exclusives means very little to me personally and lets face it, how many have Sony actually made in the past 4.5 years that would actually sell a system? I couldn't care less of the next Ghost was on Xbox for instance, can be exclusive to Sony's console for a year or something and then off to PC and the Xbox later.
Still, like the guy/gal above says, we will all be on PC in less than 10 years if the market hasn't fell apart by then. I love consoles but there is seemingly few reasons to bother with them it seems.
@Dimey Exactly, Xbox consoles are losing their worth with what should be exclusive games coming to Playstation. Even at work I've told people what Xbox are doing and even they say they won't bother with getting one again. Once casuals find out their strategy they will "abandon ship", as they say.
@anoyonmus I imagine this is what Xbox employees tell each other as a coping mantra when they pass each other in the building.
John: Hi Frank, good morning, remember PS is an Xbox”
Frank: Yes John, everything is an Xbox!
(Then both walk away with a creepy hypnotized grin on their face) 😂
Okay so Xbox have completely submitted to Playstation & Nintendo then.
Lmao and yet there will still be people that think Xbox hardware still has a chance of competing.
Why would anyone buy the next Xbox??!!
@Mikey856 While I overall prefer the Uncharted games, personally, Indy’s newest game is fantastic as well. That was used as a comparison point because we don’t know if Sony will ever return to Uncharted and Indy is very much cut from the same cloth in tone. Sony has moved on from other successful IPs in the past for the sake of pursuing something new.
@Stale-Bread Switch on course to be the bestselling console of all time, PS5 tracking ahead of PS4. Consoles are going nowhere.
And just because you personally don't care for the exclusives doesn't mean others don't. You reckon no one bought one to play Astro? Spider-Man 2? GoW Ragnarok? Stellar Blade? FF7 Rebirth? I know I bought one on launch day to play Demon's Souls Remake.
It seems to be games that are primarily multiplayer are coming to the Playstation at some point. The Secondary titles getting Playstation releases are games that have a large multiplayer component.
@PushSquareUser same feeling when we no longer had a Sega console
Question? How do I add a gif to the comments section?
Also. Something must’ve gone horribly wrong for them to shell out all that money to get COD and then end up like this. It’s almost as if the Activision purchase was a last ditch effort to try to save the brand.
@LogicStrikesAgain I understand. We’ll see how the next few years go and if they actually do make hardware still. As if they do, there has to be a compelling reason as to why one would want “Xbox” or MS hardware.
Considering the vast majority of revenue on console comes from Microtransactions, and MS get 0% if they are sold on rival platforms, I really don’t understand Spencer’s strategy. He said that he prefers 70% rather than nothing, but if Xbox sales plummet further next gen and they lose that 30% of FIFA, Fortnite, and GTA6 revenue, is it still really worth it? I don’t know the numbers as well as they do, and I’m sure they’ve looked carefully, I just don’t really see it given how much revenue comes from Microtransactions.
@Darth_Stofi Sony isn’t a charity. They are for profit, so I don’t see how they are being anti-consumer. Same for every corporation that isn’t a non profit organization. With that said competition is good for any industry. I want a strong Xbox brand. As the PS3/X360/wii era saw the console markers are trying very hard. MS was doing very well and was so innovative then.
Hopefully we’ll get the chance to play Gears of War on PS5. Love that game.
Probably because they see they aren’t fooling anyone pretending it’s just coming to XBox
people are being ignorant about the gaming industry changing
Hell has frozen over
Transparency is a great thing people tend to love that
Phil -bit my own tongue- Spencer
I’m glad Xbox is pretty much done as console. Phil seem way more happier since Microsoft announced they’re third party plans. Phil doesn’t have to lie and pretend anymore while talking to the gaming media.
@PushSquareUser I still think there will be another console. Microsoft will just do what they do with they're surface line and just have good but small sales hardware
The thing is, @UltimateOtaku91 and @Fiendish-Beaver the things you both said are equally applicable towards the PS5.
What reason do I have to get a PS5 when I'm literally able to play the majority of its games on PC? Rise of the Ronin next month... Stellar Blade later in summer. Playstation "exclusivity" is timed before games release on PC.
It's not like Playstation is coming out with many bangers anyways. They've spent half this generation on live service flops and VR that nobody is playing. Even the Wii U still has more exclusives than the PS5, even after having most of its library ported to the Switch.
Entry to the PC market is already cheaper than a console now simply because the games are cheaper on PC when they're on sale. With PS5 Pro being £700...what do you think the next gen of consoles is going to cost? £800? £900? If you can afford that...you can save a little more for a PC or even a gaming laptop.
Consoles don't have that excuse of being cheap anymore. Games are releasing at £60 too. What are you saving?
Nintendo is literally the only real option left with actual exclusives.
N.i.c.e. thats fine by me lies of p i mean phil spencer.word up son
@TruestoryYep Well if you have the money and the knowledge to run PC games with changing the settings for every game so they run properly then yeah maybe that is the best option. But the majority of console owners are casuals, people who just want to game on the bedroom TV or their living room TV where consoles are more convenient than having a whole PC set up under your TV. Then there's the ease of using a console, just stick a game on and play, no messing around in the settings for half hour to make sure your game is running well, no changing graphics cards, fans and RAM every few years to keep up with the spec requirements.
For hard-core gamers then maybe PC is the way in the future but theres no way PC is replacing console gaming for the rest of the players.
@Dimey I will be trading in my Xbox series X when game pass runs out and get PSN cards. Maybe I will get a Microsoft game for my PS5 Pro.
Remember the good old when MS used to pay so companies like SEGA wouldn't post anything about if the games would release on PS or not for 24hrs and some times even more?
It feels like it was just 3 months ago ... the nostalgia.
Xbox's Icarus Moment: How Microsoft Went Third Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QC8d4KLDFU
@Dr_ENT to be released on 2026 eh 🤔… well I’ve got a bridge I can sell you for pennies on the pound, check it ooouuuutttt…
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@LogicStrikesAgain
This is only what I have read/remember, and I havent read all the way through this thread yet, so someone else may have said the same, or something completely different!
A new Xbox originally entered planning, maybe a few years ago now, with an intended release of 2026. Pretty sure this was a standard console.
I think this info came out during the legal case involving Activision - thats my recollection, but I may be wrong.
There was also talk of a mobile version, but I think this hadn't been finalised (maybe this is what has recently been approved - just complete guesswork on my part here from what has been said above - i hadnt even heard 'something' had recently been approved until this thread).
Obviously though, things could have changed since a few years back:
Somehow, there will still be those that are in denial about Xbox going third party.
@Rich33 I think we are looking at a handheld only for Xbox or a Hybrid like a switch 2 only more powerful. There will not be a full home console after the sales numbers of Xbox series. AMD did come out taking about how they sold 100million amd consoles APUs(think PS5 & Xbox Series) and PS5 is pass 75million.
PS5 Sales Pass 75m Thanks to Console's Best Quarter Ever
https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/ps5-sales-75m-best-quarter-ever
Title: “ Xbox to Put PS5 Logos in Future Showcases, Says Phil Spencer “
First sentence: “ Xbox boss Phil Spencer has stated that future livestreams and showcases from Microsoft shall feature PlayStation and Nintendo logos when they're relevant.”
Maybe Pushsquare shouldn’t be writing about transparency.😂
@somnambulance the overwhelming majority would have already been on PlayStation since the games are from multiplatform developers before the acquisitions. Xbox now is simply too big to be sustained on their platform alone so releasing games on all platforms is pretty much the only road to success. But it is nice PS players will get to play original xb titles like halo, gears, Forza etc etc.
@anoyonmus no. technically like many other companies, Xbox is now multiplatform.
@XenonKnight
You may well be right - I was just saying what I remember from a few years back about a new console being planned for 2026, in answer to a number of posts I had read above.
Im not sure this is still their plan either, hence why I gave a whole lot of reasons why Xbox may have cancelled or pivoted ( maybe to a mobile console only), and personally I think they would be looking at a disaster unless they have something serious up their sleeves.
I would say though that going after Nintendo"s market seems equally unrealistic!
@rjejr good for you for reading past the headline! Most people don’t. The headline told no lies. It just did what headlines are supposed to do; draw the reader in. Now, if they’d omitted the Nintendo mention, I’d be questioning the transparency.
Also insert obligatory laughing emoji 🤷🏾♂️
@ChrisDeku
"Most of the games they’re releasing are games that already existed"
Like what? Everything that's coming out was made post acquisition
-Outer Worlds 2 didn't start development until after OW1 came out in 2019...Microsoft bought Obsidian in 2018
-Doom Dark Age didn't start development until 2021 after MS bought Zenimax and Phil greenlit Doom Dark Age and made huge investments into ID tech
-Indiana Jones, didn't start pre-production until after MS purchased Zenimax
So which game exactly? You could say Black Ops 6....Starfield and Redfall were in development well before the acquisition but MS gave Bethesda extra time (2+ years for Starfield)
Nothing you say makes any logical sense and sounds like copium
I just assumed every one of their games would go to PlayStation after they announced that a few would. I mean it's technically a win for us, but it's also just another boring part of this boring gen.
@rjejr oh, what website were you quoting?
Yet again, media literacy in 2025, folks.
It's such a massive change in strategy because it wasn't that long ago they were embargoing third-party devs to prevent them talking about other platforms for up to 72 hours.
@Skorge1091 Literally every single one of those games would exist independently of Microsoft. They weren’t going to stop making doom games etc. The licensing deal for Indiana Jones was made before the MS acquisition, that’s why they had to renegotiate it with Disney, this is openly stated by MS.
This is a zero sum game for consumers. MS haven’t actually added anything to the overall system, just moved around the numbers from one column to another column. It’s like Sony buying Bungie, they just released the best expansion last year, and it would have been developed 100% post acquisition but no one’s claiming that Sony is responsible for that. That would exist independently of Sony, it’s the same product with a different company cashing the cheques.
@somnambulance for sure it looks brilliant imo but for sheer adventure nothing beats uncharted I say. That sense of wonder you get from the games is palpable like seeing Averys ship for the first time or the German ww2 submarine buried in the jungle.. it’s just fantastic and I’m praying for a new one please ND
@Mikey856 Those big discoveries in Uncharted don't really work for me, because there's just not much reason for Uncharted to be a video game instead of a movie. It will never not be funny that the series is called "Uncharted" and it's practically on rails.
@Dan-The-Van and the ice is transparent
@LikelySatan fair enough. They do for me! Libertalia discovery in uncharted 4 was spectacular
Nope, @TruestoryYep! Just no. There is zero percent chance of building a PC as capable as the Series X or the PS5 for £500 (although I accept that isn't what you said). Heck, you couldn't even build one as capable as the Series S for £500. The minimum you are looking at for one as capable as the Xbox or PlayStation would be £1000, but probably more. Off the shelf and you are looking at closer to £1500.
Personally, I own a high-end gaming PC, and it has cost me around £3200. My mate bought one this time last year, and it is proper high-end and cost him £4600, though in both instances that is bespoke, and not off the shelf.
The simplicity that a console offers, combined with it's capabilities makes it a very attractive proposition. What I will grant you though is that games are always cheaper (if you shop around), even on first release, and that the sale prices are always better too. Add to that that there are more games available. However, if someone has no understanding of computers, then PC's can be pretty intimidating, difficult to get right at times (though that has improved in recent years), and whilst mods are widely available, they can be really challenging and confusing to get right, which isn't the case when it comes to the few that are available on consoles...
@LikelySatan No idea what you're talking about. I did just have a sense of deja vu though. 🤷♂️
@AhmadSumadi " The headline told no lies. "
But it kind of did though? The headline ended w/ "Says Phil Spencer". But he didn't say Sony, he said Sony and Nintendo, meaning all competing platforms, he wasn't just kowtowing to Sony.
Ok how about this -
In an interview Phil Spencer says he's bad at sports. I suck at everything sports, from ping pong balls to bowling balls.
Pushsquare headline -
I suck balls, says Phil Spencer.
I mean he did say that, they just left out a few words. 🤣
@ChrisDeku Now allow me to point out the flaws in your argument
"Literally every single one of those games would exist independently of Microsoft."
Interesting...lets see
Outer Worlds 2 would have to have been published by Private Division who...no longer exist...game also would have been rushed out as oppose to getting 6 years
Doom Dark Age would have been rushed out, would not have gotten massive investments into Id Tech that Microsoft has been making since day 1
Indiana Jones would have been rushed out, also benefiting from Id Tech and the marketing (both Indiana Jones and Doom Dark Age got major developer direct segments)
Also with the 2 Bethesda games Betheseda was also hurting financially because games like Dishonored 2, Evil Within 2 and Wolfenstein New Colossus all lost money....I'm curious where all the marketing and investments into their engines would have came from 🤔
Other games
Psychonauts 2: Because of MS the game got more time to cook and were able to add in boss fights
Wasteland 3: More time to cook
Meanwhile,
You know what else would have came out regardless of publisher? Spider Man...in fact Disney approached MS first about Spider-man but they passed on it....Sony didn't play any pivotal role in the game anymore than Microsoft with Indiana Jones
Stellar Blade, another game that was even announced for Xbox as Project Eve before Sony swooped in and bought the publishing rights for the game
Arrowhead would have found another publisher to make the original Helldivers (Sony bought the IP) so we know Helldivers (and by extension Helldivers 2) would came out regardless of Sony
In fact if we look at Returnal, Sony got the trademark for it June 11th 2020....if Sony weren't involved HouseMarqe would have made the game for another publisher, they would have made Alienation under another publisher too
Guess by your logic Sony isn't making "Games either" right? Like you said, Zero sum gain for consumers as these studios would have gone elsewhere to publish their games and Sony wasn't needed.
And to be fair yes...this also applies to Ninja Gaiden 4...if it came down to it Team Ninja/Platinum would have found another publisher to foot the bill.
All Sony/Microsoft are doing are signing checks and investing in the studios and IP's and marketing the games, and guess what? that's all they need to do so this idea of "Microsoft not making games" can apply to Sony unless Hermen Hulst himself is going down to the studios and coding and doing graphics programming and concept art....that's why your post is pure copium. If a publisher is footing the bill for everything then that's it, Because those games wouldn't be there without someone footing the bill or at the very least they wouldn't be in the same state (Psychonauts 2 without polish and boss fights or all Id Tech investments Microsoft is making per Phil himself)
@rjejr “He didn’t say Sony. He said SONY and Nintendo…”
So he did say Sony? 🤔
@rjejr that’s not the same thing at all. You changed the entire context of what was said. That’s not what the headline did!
Edit: **insert obligatory laughing emoji**
@Skorge1091 what a load of utter nonsense. So every game that would exist would be “rushed out” because they weren’t owned by MS? Right, ok, lad.
The Spider-Man game wouldn’t exist without Sony because they made it in totality, some other Spider-Man game might exist, just like the ten other Spider-Man games that are total garbage. Getting a great game instead of dreck is not zero sum.
Helldivers is owned by Sony 100%, and always has been. Helldivers 2 wouldn’t exist without Sony.
Returnal wouldn’t exist without Sony picking it up. Housemarque was making a live service game that looked terrible, it even had an open beta, It was called Stormdivers, and it was cancelled when Sony picked up Returnal.
These are exactly the kind of studios that worked with Sony and stepped up from small studios to major players, making their biggest most ambitious games ever.
Doom, outer worlds, Indiana jones etc. is just studios continuing to make the exact same games they’d have been making already and at the exact same scale and ambition.
Stellar blade would exist without Sony sure, no one is really claiming they were instrumental in the creation of this product. Most people negatively refer to it as “a paid third party exclusive”
@ChrisDeku
“rushed out” ? "
Explain how OW2 would have got 6 years dev time with Private Division who just recently shut down?
In fact OW2 runs on Unreal and guess what? Microsoft has a studio that specializes in Unreal that literally helps other studios (both external and internal studios) with Unreal optimization and....oh look at that....they're helping Obsidian ....
https://gamerant.com/avowed-developer-the-coalition-unreal-engine/
I wonder how this would happened if Obsidian was independent and working with Private Division 🤔
Explain Id Tech would have gotten massive investments with most Bethesdas underperforming? With Redfall being a disaster and Starfield launching in 2020? 🤔
You talk but can't provide counter arguments or good points
"Spider-Man "
100% would exist without Sony because another publisher would've grabbed it, EA Square etc.
In fact it was made on Insomniacs own Proprietary Engine which Sony didn't get ownership of until after they bought Insomniac, Sony didn't contribute technical side either and if Insomniac/Disney worked with another publisher nothing would have changed
"Helldivers Sony 100%,"
When Arrowhead was making the original Helldivers they could have gone to any publisher, if they had gone to EA, EA would own the IP, HD2 would be made under EA, nothing would have changed outside HD2 being on more platforms
"Returnal."
Housemarque might make crap, but any other publisher, EA, Square etc could have funded and marketed Returnal and buy the IP and even the studio, once again Sony signed the check, also a UE4 game, Sony contributed nothing technical either
"studios that worked with Sony "
I love this copium, all Sony did is sign a check, if these studios had gone to EA Take Two any publisher they could have done the same, Sony did nothing that no one else couldn't have done,
Sony has contributed nothing outside of $, which is fine but you make it sound like Jim Ryan himself went and made the games which is the best cope of all 😂😂
"Doom, outer worlds, Indiana jones etc. is just studios continuing to make the exact same games they’d have been making already and at the exact same scale and ambition."
Sure, with a struggling Bethesda and with Private Division lmao MS did more for these games than Sony did for any of the games I listed for Sony, their marketing has also been 1000x better for these games than Sony marketing Returnal
Doom Indy both got 15 minute developer direct segments and marketing, something Sony never did for Returnal. Hell its hilarious that Sony spent more time marketing Deathloop (which is ironically another Microsoft game now) than they ever did Returnal, Sony favored a third party game over its own first party 😂😂
"instrumental in the creation."
They weren't instrumenta outside of signing a check and marketing ...which is fine because that's all they need to do but that goes back to my original point that these games would exist even without Sony because Sony didn't make any meaningful contribution that wasn't monetary.
Maybe one example where Sony were involved Death Stranding which ran on Sony property engine, Sony was a lot more involved with Kojima making that game but that's a lot more involved than they were in the other games I listed
TLDR: Sony has done nothing for most of their games that another publisher couldn't do and those games would exist without Sony as Sony did nothing but sign checks and market
As an older guy, I'm struggling to comprehend why is it so hard for younger gamers to accept the concept of exclusivity. All they do is demand games to be on the only platform that they parents bought them, be it, a traditional console like playstation, a pc, or a smartphone.
My generation fully understand that if Nintendo pays to develop a mario game, then it will be on a Nintendo console.
iOS is on apple devices, McDonald's fries is on McDonald's, and iVTEC engines are on Honda cars. You cannot go to Popeyes and demands the Colonel's Original Recipe to be available there.
KFC has bought that recipe from Sanders, and they're the one who have the rights to sell them.
@Skorge1091 You're an utter clown who has no idea how the video game industry works
Yeah, that's why those studios make amazing award winning games ever year rather than just yearly updated sports dreck, right? Sony published the games that won the most GOTY awards in 6 of the last 12 years, I'm sure that's just random luck. Just like how every company that works with them makes the best games of their careers. Nothing to do with Sony having the largest network of support studios and infrastructure in the world. Visual Arts Group, huge support studios around the world, Ice team(engine support), Xdev worldwide, massive internal motion capture studio that even companies like capcom pay to use.
Was Starfield, Hellblade 2 or Avowed the best games those companies ever made?
@LogicStrikesAgain He's just speculating. The rumour makes no details of what got approved. Now, they have literally confirmed in the past they're working on a Handheld, so it COULD be that, but it could also be a full blown console as well. Personally I think they're doing both. But the difference will be it's more PC like, capable of running something like Steam etc.... as well as Xbox's own UI and store.
@ChrisDeku according to GOTY Blogspot
Forza Horizon 5: 53 GOTY awards, IGN Game of the year Winner 2021
Halo Infinite: 30 GOTY Awards, Game Informer GOTY winner
Psychonauts 2: 24 GOTY awards
All 3 won more than any Insomniac game ever in history
More importantly Sony games usually don't sell well or make a lot of money which is why Sony ends up bundling them.
Yoshida himself said on Kinda Funny that players need to buy and support remasters to fund new AAA games.....why is it only Sony needs you to buy remasters? I've never seen Nintendo, Microsoft, EA, Capcom or anyone say they rely on remasters selling to fund new games. Also if Sony games were lucrative, they wouldn't be chasing live service games and blowing $4B on Bungie and $400M on Concord (which Hermen Hulst himself wanted to be Sony's Star Wars/Marvel)
A game like Stardew Valley isn't a GOTY winner, was made by 2 people and sold over 41M copies, Sony would cream their pants (or any publisher for that matter) for a game like that, or Valheim which was made by 15 people selling 15M copies.
....Stalker 2 in its first week sold over 1M copies yet it took Astro Bot 3 months to sell 1.5M, GOTY doesn't mean much when no one is interested in the game. Meanwhile Obsidian made Grounded with 10 people and that game has been on Steams best sellers list every year since 2020 (Horizon Zero Dawn ranked lower than Grounded and Sony stated it sold 3M copies on Steam)
Was Death Stranding the best Kojima ever made? Not even close, But its a new franchise (just like Avowed/Starfield) are
Also did Visual Arts Group or any of these "support" groups help with Helldivers 2 or Returnal? I checked the Returnal credits and there was a little bit of involvement from Sony but nothing massive like engine optimization and more "consulting" according to the credits, and according to HD2 credits, Visual Arts and xDev had no involvement and Sony involvement was all based on marketing and logistics
@StevenRogers12
Stop being a troll. God of war(2018), Uncharted 4, the Last of us, Spider-man, Horizon Zero Dawn all sold 20m+. That's more than any halo game has ever managed in history. About 3x the best selling Gears of War game.
God of War Ragnarok sold 15m in one year, Spider-man 2 sold 11m in 6 months, Helldivers 2 sold 12m in 3 months. Ghost of Tsushima was at 14m units at last reveal. These are expensive premium games, not $10 indie games that even if they sell 30m units they might net like $100m after everything. God of War Ragnarok sold 15m units in 12 months, all at full price or minimum discount and without having to pay 30% to a platform holder, that's probably like $800m net. That's why PlayStation divisions is about to register a $3b+ operating profit for this financial year.
@ChrisDeku These were all bundled games, ironically TLOU2 wasn't bundled and took over 2 years to sell 10M which wouldn't be an issue if the game didn't take 2000+ people and 14 studios to make, then Factions was scrapped so there was no monetization or additional revenue, Ghost of Tsushima was also a game that wasn't bundled and took 4 years to sell 13M
Helldivers 2 is an expensvie premium game? Its a $40 game and I got it on Green Man gaming for $24 bucks. I bought a PS4 Pro in 2019 which came with Horizon, Spider Man and God of War which are factored into the sales and I bought Horizon Zero Dawn complete edition again for $12 ....essentially I paid $12 for 2 copies and 2 of those 20M sales
Playstation registers a 3B operating profit out of 31B revenue which is less than 10% and that's because of 3rd party sales and getting their 30% cut, their own games don't make money which Shu himself pretty much confirmed.
@batosaims lol yeah bundles are why they sold 20m copies 😂
I guess halo was never bundled, that must be why it never sold even close to 20m. If only Microsoft knew the secret, they could release some games that sell more than 1/5th of them.
The insomniac leak even showed how much revenue games make.Theyre all making profits in the hundreds of millions. Horizon: Zero dawn cost €45m to make and generated close to $500 m net revenue. Miles morales cost $81 dev cost and it made $231m in digital sales only in its first 2 years.God of War: Ragnarok had done $279m in digital sales in its first 6 months only, likely over $500m with physical.
Anyone who thinks those games don’t make massive amounts of profit are living in a fantasy world.
Edit: also from the insomniac leak, I almost forgot, the insomniac profit share from Sunset overdrive(Microsoft published game) $567. I didn’t miss out a zero. 567 bucks.Their 15% cut of Spider-man net profit got them $46.59m btw.
@ChrisDeku Yeah? Well that's nice and all but that isn't enough to stop Sony from chasing live service slop to get that additional revenue, Concord is a product of Sony wanting that additional revenue, Bungie was a desperate buy and instead of making games they cancelled Factions (but somehow greenlit Concord which is the hilarious part)
Only Sony are the only ones who actively said remasters are needed to fund future games per Shu on Kinda Funny, I've never seen Nintendo, Microsoft, EA or anyone else say remasters are "needed" to fund future games so either
-A (likely scenario) Sony games aren't pulling in enough profit/revenue to fund new games
or
-B (also likely) games are having overbloated budgets specifically Spider-man 2 costing $300M despite it having re-used assets AND still coming in underpolished and undercooked
@batosaims You can’t wrap you’re head around a corporation being economical with the truth because they like making easy money? The ghost of Tsushima directors cut let them repackage the game as a full price($70) PS5 game and it had generated almost $150m in its first 6 months. There are new games that don’t generate that kind of revenue.Alan Wake 2 took 15 months to hit break even at €80m.
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