If they had started working on one a few years back when they should have, it would have been pretty capable by now...
So true! If i’m correct there are emulators out there doing a great job, they could partner with them maybe. I keep hoping that they’ll surprise us with exactly such an announcement. But it does look unlikely to happen unfortunately
@Dalamar Because some people want to clarify that statements like “PS+ is garbage” are not objectively true. Thats not acting like a shareholder, it’s just adding a bit of nuance in a conversation where a lot of opinions are shouted as if they are facts
@BacklogBrad There are actually several incentives people might have to choose PS+ over Game Pass.
It’s cheaper (according to official pricing), offers a larger catalogue of ~700+ games compared to ~400-500, it offers VR games for enthousiasts, offers retro games (retro gaming is a big hobby for some people). It also offers 4K cloud streaming compared to 1080p on Xbox. It even offers a rotating movie collection. And for people who are more into Playstations exclusives, it of course offers access to the Playstation library.
Game Pass is great, but that doesnt mean PS+ doesnt offer strong value for it’s price depending on what youre looking for.
Edit: I just realized you might’ve just meant that it has little incentive for you personally. In that case, fair enough! 👍🏼
$ony won’t do gamepass because 1. The PS5 is the weakest first party generation & 2. The PS4s massive success has brought arrogant anti-consumer $ony back.
Xbox offered Day One when they had a very low first party output, before they acquired two publishers.
The real reason is, Sony just can’t afford to lose money like Microsoft can. People should stop expecting a $150B company to be able to make the same financial decisions as a $3T+ company, they are not the same
I’m just gonna copy paste my comment from the other article here, as it’s mostly relevant:
For $13.30 a month (if paid yearly) i think Premium is a good deal. $11.25/month for Extra is even better.
Sure, first party often takes 1 year or more to come to the service. But then again, you also pay less than competing services that do offer Day One first party. You can’t really expect to get Day One first party on PS+ for such low prices. So i think what they offer is fair.
They offer access to 700+ games, even some Day Ones, 4K cloud streaming, a rotating movie catalogue, retro games, PSVR2 games and the value they add monthly is usually more than $100 (if we go by store prices) worth of games. In any other industry that would be amazing value.
For comparison, GeForce Now Ultimate is $30/month and thats a streaming only service. Game Pass offers Day One forst party, but also costs $20/month.
I honestly think some are setting their expectations a bit too high. If Playstation were to offer Day One first party titles it’d have to cost at least somewhere between $22 to $25/month. You can’t expect Sony to give their titles away Day One for just $13 or $11/month, that would be a ridiculous demand
For $13.30 a month (if paid yearly) i think Premium is a good deal. $11.25/month for Extra is even better.
Sure, first party often takes 1 year or more to come to the service. But then again, you also pay less than competing services that do offer Day One first party. You can’t really expect to get Day One first party on PS Plus for such low prices. So i think what they offer is fair.
They offer access to 700+ games, even some Day Ones, 4K cloud streaming, a rotating movie catalogue, retro games, PSVR2 games and the value they add monthly is usually more than $100 (if we go by store prices) worth of games. In any other industry that would be amazing value.
For comparison, GeForce Now Ultimate is $30/month and thats a streaming only service. Game Pass offers Day One forst party, but also costs $20/month.
I honestly think some are setting their expectations a bit too high. If Playstation were to offer Day One first party titles it’d have to cost at least somewhere between $22 to $25/month. You can’t expect Sony to give their titles away Day One for just $13 or $11/month, that would be a ridiculous demand
These (almost non existing) load times are amazing!
One perk of developing a game exclusively for one platform, is that it tends to come out highly optimized for it. Everything about this game, even beyond load times, feels fully optimized and makes excellent use of the hardware.
For all the games we see releasing in subpar states nowadays, this releasing in such a complete and bug free condition at a steady 60fps deserves special mention
I find it funny how people sometimes yell that some games should have been free to play. And ironically, millions throw their cash at a game that could win the “Most Free-To-Play-Looking Ass Game of the Year award” 😜
Actually this is surprising to me, is this supposed to be a good game or something?
I just had some conversations lately with people dunking on Sony’s live service approach. Some of them saying that some of Sony’s live service attempts feel bland and derivative, just not great, and if they were, people would get excited about them.
So i guess this is one of those great non bland and derivative games people are clamouring for then?
I remember there was an article a few days ago asking if the PSVR2 is dead or something. Meanwhile out of the last 5 articles, 3 are about PSVR2 games.
Maybe there’s enough games, they just dont know how, or aren’t willing to market for it anymore,.
Edit: And the article that followed this one, is also about a game coming to PSVR2. So make that 4 PSVR2 games in just the past 2,5 hours.
@NitrousX You said it better though, we should let everyone enjoy what they like without always bashing on it and others’ tastes. It’s all subjective in the end, and we all like different stuff 👍🏼
@NitrousX Oftentimes it’s the same people who by default call arthouse movies pretentious, or “old” and foreign movies boring. There’s usually a lower tolerance for things that aren’t familiar to them, so they usually don’t appreciate “weird” artstyles that don’t conform to mainstream taste. Also, often don’t care much for subtle nuance, so a slower game without big explosions and action is automatically boring to them. Subtext isn’t usually a language these people easily recognize, let alone appreciate.
*Pls note the careful use of the words often and usually, before anyone replies.
Now i’m not saying this game is art, because i haven’t played it. But this is obviously a more artistically driven game. And some will say it’s too pretentious and artsy fartsy. And that’s totally fine, everyone has their own taste. This game is also targeting a different audience than the Fortnite or CoD casuals. An audience that are more into these things. Much like arthouse movies aren’t targeting the Transformers or Fast and the Furious crowd per se.
Again, want to make clear that i’m describing tendencies in tastes. It doesn’t mean there aren’t exceptions. You can be into more mainstream things and still appreciate more slower, experimental and niche stuff. You can even be into weird surreal stuff, but this just might not be your cup of tea.
But still these tendencies ring true, and you can see them outside of gaming, like in music, cinema and all art types as well. For example the people exclusively listening to mainstream top 40 pop hits usually aren’t the same as the ones into niche genres like progressive rock music
@Porco Fair enough! 👍🏼 Maybe it does have a MGS2 twist though, who knows. It does seem to have more variety in it’s gameplay. But i can see how the game might not be to everyones taste, which tbf is exactly what it seeks out to do
Just watched the DF tech analysis, and they’ve done a truly amazing job. The Decima Engine is a beast. It’s basically flawless 60fps, without any bugs or big technical flaws. Just delivering a game so technically complete and bug free is an amazing feat in and of itself. Especially nowadays when patches are announced even before games come out, because they come out half broken. Truly a AAA game worth it’s $70 price point
@Porco How do you know there isn’t any MGS2 type of big twist. Not saying there are, but i’m sure reviews like these aren’t gonna spoil that if it does
So they fleeced folks through micro transactions…cool.
Nope, better divert your pitchforks towards the studios responsible for games like Fifa, CoD, Diablo etc.
If you go back the original comment i was reacting to, they were blaming Sony for fleecing the people with microtransactions. I was merely pointing out that it is in fact other publishers like EA, Activision etc. who are the ones really doing the fleecing 😉
This conversation isnt about what Sony’s fan base feels about live service, that’s a different conversation. This is about wrongfully accusing Sony for fleecing people with microtransactions, thereby ignoring the publishers who are actually doing it.
I actually watched the whole presentation where this chart comes from, and it specifically states that the revenue Sony got from microtransactions predominantly came through games like CoD, FIFA, GTA, Genshin Impact, Roblox, Ubisoft Classics etc. So people can blame sony all they want for swindling people with microtransaction, but i will direct them to the real culprits 😂
the only real reason that Sony HAVEN'T fleeced people with Micro Transactions like everyone else is because all their live service attempts keep flopping
We cant give Sony flack, based on assumptions. This is sort of what i’m getting at in my previous rant. Sony faces so many double standards.
Even in this situation where the fleecing is being done by other companies for years, somehow people still manage to put the emphasis on Sony. Speculating that they would have done it too, thereby overlooking who is really doing the fleecing right now.
EA, Activision, Xbox, Ubisoft and many other publishers have been monetizing gamers with microtransactions quite agressively for years, but somehow Sony even hinting at live service models makes them the bad guys.
Just to be clear, i don’t have an issue with microtransactions per se, i’m not pro or anti live service, and I’m not saying you can’t criticize Sony or anything. It just seems that Sony is held to a greater standard than other companies. Sony gets heat for things they aren’t even doing 😂
@themightyant Start rant: This is also why i see Sony as the underdog here. It’s not like they’re a small company or anything. But compared to juggernauts like Microsoft who can throw around $75B like it’s nothing.
Sony really needs to fight to stay in the game. That’s why it sometimes annoys me how people can dunk on Sony so bad sometimes. Like:
“Why don’t they just do Day one games”
“Look at their weak output now, at least Xbox had the the money to buy two big publishers”
I hope all their live service endeavours fail, because i personally hate live service and i dont want them to cater to other demographics”
“Why do they moneyhat bro, its bad”
It’s like people don’t understand: They are a much smaller company than Xbox. They can’t afford to just drop games, that costs hundreds of millions to develop, on their $14 a month subscription service. They can’t take losses the way a trillion dollar company can.
They can’t just buy their way out of a slow output, by buying up two of the biggest publishers, and be praised for how much games they’re releasing, like Microsof does.
Having exclusives is a smart strategy to stay competitive and make your brand valuable. It’s what keeps them relevant in the space. But people want them to give it up and compete on the same terms as a trillion dollar company, they can’t. These are leverages for them to keep their company strong.
Microsoft has shown that you don’t need to be succesfull in the gaming space, you just need to throw around a bunch of money to be admired. And while i respect that in the business sense, i don’t respect it creatively. I will always support David over Goliath.
People don’t realise that Sony is the real underdog here, at least in the context of financial resources. Sony has to play the smart game here, they can’t play the rich game like Microsoft.
But they get so much negativity. Even just showing a ordinary chart like this in a financial report, which is boilerplate stuff, gets them heat from their user base, it’s ridiculous.
Some people seem to even be mad that they are profiting? Like literally every other company that profits? Even though their margins aren’t that big. I don’t see Microsoft getting heat for their profits, because let me tell you, they have profits. Oh boy, do they ever!
People saying Sony should have lowered their hardware prices? Meanwhile their console is the cheapest next gen high end console on the market and their competitor costs way more.
Or how people get their pitchforks whenever Sony even mentions live service and keep yelling for every game to fail, meanwhile EVERY other publisher have been doing live service for years, and people get aggressively monetized for $70 skins, but no one seems to care. I get that people might fear Sony losing it’s identity, but its frustrating they get slammed for even exploring things that every other publisher have been doing for years. Sony gets heat for such trivial things sometimes.
Ok, rant over, thanks to whoever managed to get to the end 😂
So in other words "We have made graph that looks good but is misleading as most as it can."
No, they just released a normal chart showing how their revenue and profit has developed over time. Boilerplate stuff, happens in virtually every company’s financial reports. They are not misleading anyone, those are factually correct numbers. It’s people themselves, who assign “intent” to Sony actions here. This is all just a bunch of noise about something completely normal
Somehow these charts seem to have created a negative perception. Some people are now looking negatively at what are totally normal business profit increases over time.
These charts are actually completely unsurprising and normal. Most companies will have historic profit charts that look similar to these.
Guess who also makes way more profits now than 30 years ago? Tencent, Microsoft, Google, Netflix, Apple, Meta, Take Two, EA, Samsung, Nvidia, Amazon, Nintendo, Need, I, Go, On?
they just couldn't care less about the number of 1st-party single-player titles they've been releasing
You must’ve not been following gaming news the last few years. Sony made mistakes pivoting a lot of their studios to live service. Most got cancelled which left a hole in their first party output. That’s a bit different from not caring. They just aren’t going to be able to pivot back so soon, since it takes a while to develop games
Most companies make more profit then they did 25-30 years ago due to inflation, or else they’d probably be out of business, unless theyre some sort of non-profit or something. This is just a bunch of noise about nothing.
Instead of looking at the absolute profit figures, it’s best to look at the profit margins to see if things have really improved.
If we purely look at absolute profit , my local shoarma place also makes more money now for selling turkish pizza than he did 30 years ago. If you would look at the profit margin however, it’s probably about the same.
Looking at the chart, PS1 seems to have a better ratio of operating income to revenue than the PS5
Sony should definitely do this, if they can afford it. Maybe through a consortium for a majority and controlling stake. Just the DC and Wizardry IPs alone would be a huge get. But just imagine them owning their own streaming service with existing infrastructure and subscriber base. They could put crunchyroll and their own sony picture productions in the service and in one acquisition shoot to the top 3 global streaming services in the world, rivaling disney and netflix. They’d certainly be one of the biggest movie and tv production companies. And they’d be the only entertainment company with a dominant force in different media offerings ie movie/tv, music, anime and gaming. Remember this would be more of a Sony acquisition rather than for Playstation alone. The IP with transmedia potential they’d be getting would be unbelievable
Dont do it Sony, unless you get the ip rights as well. But i’m sure that won’t happen. Maybe if WB wants to sell the MK ip+Netherrealm for a good price.
If you want to spend, try to acquire Fromsoftware, Square Enix, CDPR or maybe try to acquire a substantial stake in Take Two.
Edit: Wait, so (if true) they’re eyeing to fully acquire WB, including it’s IP? Well thats a whole other proposition, in that case that would be huge. If they can get WB’s IP’s, they should definitely do it, for the right price
To be fair, i can’t see anyone here voting for Fortnite or CoD if those were on the list, but still those are enormously popular.
Guess these hardcore PS5 fan polls don’t always correlate well with real world outcomes. In this case it could be true though. As always, i’ll just wait and see how it’ll turn up. No need to speculate for me.
But then again, i’m one of the few who tried Concord and didn’t think it was all that bad 😆
@wildcat_kickz I’d argue that Sony paying smaller indie studios to develop some indie titles for it wouldn’t be that far outside the realm of possibility.
Yes, i can definitely see a scenario of some games on the console that can’t run on the handheld. And if they’re smart they will not enforce console-handheld parity, or console will be held back by this handheld much like the series S holds back the series X.
But i’m sure they’re smarter than that, or at least i hope
@Lowdefal I wouldn’t say there’s no chance. They could let some teams make some solid AA titles for it. Or outsource it to some smaller indie studios. Doesn’t have to be a lot or be AAA titles or anything
I’m definitely hyped for a new native Playstation handheld. If it allows cross-buy i’m down. Can’t wait to progressively get more info in the coming months. I do hope it gets its own exclusives as well
But making something that is different and stands out, instead of repeatedly making the same thing, there is zero wrong with that. Gaming started out like this, as an art. Not something to just trigger dopamine in people and get them as addicted as possible for business reasons.
To everyone saying this is negative. While that might be true, i’d also like to point out that we don't know that what those early testers thought was good correlates with what you and I might think is good.
Also it’s a conversation he had with someone on his team, people are taking this way out of proportion. These discussions happen all the time during creative processes. Just judge the final product. If you like it, you like it. If you dont, well we can at least say that Kojima doesn’t care 😆
"I'm firing everybody and closing the studio because this game sold much more than the last one". Kojima, months after release.
extremely pretentious, like the trailer he showed at the SGF
Dude, you’re quoting something he will never say and calling it pretentious 😅
@trev666 Some creatives just don’t like to create things that are too conventional. I can definitely relate to that.
Although, it’s probably in favor of the games commercial succes if its also balanced a bit by considering the reality of it needing to be palatable enough for most people to buy
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Re: Sony Hasn't Given Up on Adding More PS3 Games to PS Plus Yet
@Titntin
So true! If i’m correct there are emulators out there doing a great job, they could partner with them maybe. I keep hoping that they’ll surprise us with exactly such an announcement. But it does look unlikely to happen unfortunately
Re: 'We're Not Looking to Put First-Party Games in PS Plus Day and Date': Sony Rejects Xbox Game Pass Model
@Dalamar Because some people want to clarify that statements like “PS+ is garbage” are not objectively true. Thats not acting like a shareholder, it’s just adding a bit of nuance in a conversation where a lot of opinions are shouted as if they are facts
Re: 'We're Not Looking to Put First-Party Games in Day and Date': PS Plus Rejects Xbox Game Pass Model
@BacklogBrad There are actually several incentives people might have to choose PS+ over Game Pass.
It’s cheaper (according to official pricing), offers a larger catalogue of ~700+ games compared to ~400-500, it offers VR games for enthousiasts, offers retro games (retro gaming is a big hobby for some people). It also offers 4K cloud streaming compared to 1080p on Xbox. It even offers a rotating movie collection. And for people who are more into Playstations exclusives, it of course offers access to the Playstation library.
Game Pass is great, but that doesnt mean PS+ doesnt offer strong value for it’s price depending on what youre looking for.
Edit: I just realized you might’ve just meant that it has little incentive for you personally. In that case, fair enough! 👍🏼
Re: 'We're Not Looking to Put First-Party Games in Day and Date': PS Plus Rejects Xbox Game Pass Model
@8bitOG They just released Death Stranding 2.
Also, how far back are we talking? If we’re talking current generation i can name a few, but i’m sure you know which ones they are already
Re: 'We're Not Looking to Put First-Party Games in Day and Date': PS Plus Rejects Xbox Game Pass Model
Xbox offered Day One when they had a very low first party output, before they acquired two publishers.
The real reason is, Sony just can’t afford to lose money like Microsoft can. People should stop expecting a $150B company to be able to make the same financial decisions as a $3T+ company, they are not the same
Re: 'We're Not Looking to Put First-Party Games in Day and Date': PS Plus Rejects Xbox Game Pass Model
@8bitOG Some of the best actually, one of which just won Game of the Year last year 😁
Re: 'We're Not Looking to Put First-Party Games in Day and Date': PS Plus Rejects Xbox Game Pass Model
@nessisonett I agree, those games should’ve been added by now. Hope to see those and Stellar Blade added before the end of the year
Re: 'We're Not Looking to Put First-Party Games in Day and Date': PS Plus Rejects Xbox Game Pass Model
I’m just gonna copy paste my comment from the other article here, as it’s mostly relevant:
For $13.30 a month (if paid yearly) i think Premium is a good deal. $11.25/month for Extra is even better.
Sure, first party often takes 1 year or more to come to the service. But then again, you also pay less than competing services that do offer Day One first party. You can’t really expect to get Day One first party on PS+ for such low prices. So i think what they offer is fair.
They offer access to 700+ games, even some Day Ones, 4K cloud streaming, a rotating movie catalogue, retro games, PSVR2 games and the value they add monthly is usually more than $100 (if we go by store prices) worth of games. In any other industry that would be amazing value.
For comparison, GeForce Now Ultimate is $30/month and thats a streaming only service. Game Pass offers Day One forst party, but also costs $20/month.
I honestly think some are setting their expectations a bit too high. If Playstation were to offer Day One first party titles it’d have to cost at least somewhere between $22 to $25/month. You can’t expect Sony to give their titles away Day One for just $13 or $11/month, that would be a ridiculous demand
Re: Phantom Blade Zero Dev Reiterates Yet Again That PS5 Stunner Is Not a Soulslike
Excited for that release date, this game looks so promising, can’t wait to see more!
Re: PlayStation Thinks Its PS Plus Games Are 'Improving' Every Year
For $13.30 a month (if paid yearly) i think Premium is a good deal. $11.25/month for Extra is even better.
Sure, first party often takes 1 year or more to come to the service. But then again, you also pay less than competing services that do offer Day One first party. You can’t really expect to get Day One first party on PS Plus for such low prices. So i think what they offer is fair.
They offer access to 700+ games, even some Day Ones, 4K cloud streaming, a rotating movie catalogue, retro games, PSVR2 games and the value they add monthly is usually more than $100 (if we go by store prices) worth of games. In any other industry that would be amazing value.
For comparison, GeForce Now Ultimate is $30/month and thats a streaming only service. Game Pass offers Day One forst party, but also costs $20/month.
I honestly think some are setting their expectations a bit too high. If Playstation were to offer Day One first party titles it’d have to cost at least somewhere between $22 to $25/month. You can’t expect Sony to give their titles away Day One for just $13 or $11/month, that would be a ridiculous demand
Re: Death Stranding 2's Unbelievable PS5 Load Times Are Practically Instant
These (almost non existing) load times are amazing!
One perk of developing a game exclusively for one platform, is that it tends to come out highly optimized for it. Everything about this game, even beyond load times, feels fully optimized and makes excellent use of the hardware.
For all the games we see releasing in subpar states nowadays, this releasing in such a complete and bug free condition at a steady 60fps deserves special mention
Re: In a Surprise to Absolutely No One, Rematch Is Doing Really Well
“Sony is so out of touch, people don’t want live service crap”
I can at least forever point out to this game, whenever someone says that again
Re: In a Surprise to Absolutely No One, Rematch Is Doing Really Well
I find it funny how people sometimes yell that some games should have been free to play. And ironically, millions throw their cash at a game that could win the “Most Free-To-Play-Looking Ass Game of the Year award” 😜
Re: In a Surprise to Absolutely No One, Rematch Is Doing Really Well
“In a surprise to absolutely no one”
Actually this is surprising to me, is this supposed to be a good game or something?
I just had some conversations lately with people dunking on Sony’s live service approach. Some of them saying that some of Sony’s live service attempts feel bland and derivative, just not great, and if they were, people would get excited about them.
So i guess this is one of those great non bland and derivative games people are clamouring for then?
Re: The Next Mind-Bending Game from the Team Behind Manifold Garden Is Coming to PSVR2
@Uromastryx I believe at the time of release it was cheaper than other VR headsets on the market, could be wrong though
Re: The Next Mind-Bending Game from the Team Behind Manifold Garden Is Coming to PSVR2
I remember there was an article a few days ago asking if the PSVR2 is dead or something. Meanwhile out of the last 5 articles, 3 are about PSVR2 games.
Maybe there’s enough games, they just dont know how, or aren’t willing to market for it anymore,.
Edit: And the article that followed this one, is also about a game coming to PSVR2. So make that 4 PSVR2 games in just the past 2,5 hours.
Re: Forgotten Sony Game Midnight Murder Club Confirms Full PS5 Release for August
It actually sounds intriguing, i dont think there’s anything like it on the market. I shall wait for reviews
Re: Forgotten Sony Game Midnight Murder Club Confirms Full PS5 Release for August
These two comments basically sum up the polarized world of today 😅
Re: Death Stranding 2 (PS5) - A Masterpiece in Every Sense
@NitrousX You said it better though, we should let everyone enjoy what they like without always bashing on it and others’ tastes. It’s all subjective in the end, and we all like different stuff 👍🏼
Re: Marvel Tokon and 'Completely New Titles' to Star in Surprise Arc System Works Showcase
I’m so hyped for Tokon! Can’t wait to see more
Re: Death Stranding 2 (PS5) - A Masterpiece in Every Sense
@NitrousX Oftentimes it’s the same people who by default call arthouse movies pretentious, or “old” and foreign movies boring. There’s usually a lower tolerance for things that aren’t familiar to them, so they usually don’t appreciate “weird” artstyles that don’t conform to mainstream taste. Also, often don’t care much for subtle nuance, so a slower game without big explosions and action is automatically boring to them. Subtext isn’t usually a language these people easily recognize, let alone appreciate.
*Pls note the careful use of the words often and usually, before anyone replies.
Now i’m not saying this game is art, because i haven’t played it. But this is obviously a more artistically driven game. And some will say it’s too pretentious and artsy fartsy. And that’s totally fine, everyone has their own taste. This game is also targeting a different audience than the Fortnite or CoD casuals. An audience that are more into these things. Much like arthouse movies aren’t targeting the Transformers or Fast and the Furious crowd per se.
Again, want to make clear that i’m describing tendencies in tastes. It doesn’t mean there aren’t exceptions. You can be into more mainstream things and still appreciate more slower, experimental and niche stuff. You can even be into weird surreal stuff, but this just might not be your cup of tea.
But still these tendencies ring true, and you can see them outside of gaming, like in music, cinema and all art types as well. For example the people exclusively listening to mainstream top 40 pop hits usually aren’t the same as the ones into niche genres like progressive rock music
Re: Death Stranding 2 (PS5) - A Masterpiece in Every Sense
@Porco Fair enough! 👍🏼 Maybe it does have a MGS2 twist though, who knows. It does seem to have more variety in it’s gameplay. But i can see how the game might not be to everyones taste, which tbf is exactly what it seeks out to do
Re: Death Stranding 2 (PS5) - A Masterpiece in Every Sense
Just watched the DF tech analysis, and they’ve done a truly amazing job. The Decima Engine is a beast. It’s basically flawless 60fps, without any bugs or big technical flaws. Just delivering a game so technically complete and bug free is an amazing feat in and of itself. Especially nowadays when patches are announced even before games come out, because they come out half broken. Truly a AAA game worth it’s $70 price point
Re: Death Stranding 2 (PS5) - A Masterpiece in Every Sense
@Porco How do you know there isn’t any MGS2 type of big twist. Not saying there are, but i’m sure reviews like these aren’t gonna spoil that if it does
Re: Death Stranding 2 (PS5) - A Masterpiece in Every Sense
Another Kojima masterpiece! Can’t wait for the DF tech analysis as well, this game looks stunning! 🤩
Re: Intergalactic PS5 May See Naughty Dog Leaning Further into RPG Elements
Elden Ring x Naughty Dog’s technical and gameplay prowess, set in an intriguing sci fi space setting actually sounds amazing to me!
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
@Lysterao
If you go back the original comment i was reacting to, they were blaming Sony for fleecing the people with microtransactions. I was merely pointing out that it is in fact other publishers like EA, Activision etc. who are the ones really doing the fleecing 😉
This conversation isnt about what Sony’s fan base feels about live service, that’s a different conversation. This is about wrongfully accusing Sony for fleecing people with microtransactions, thereby ignoring the publishers who are actually doing it.
I actually watched the whole presentation where this chart comes from, and it specifically states that the revenue Sony got from microtransactions predominantly came through games like CoD, FIFA, GTA, Genshin Impact, Roblox, Ubisoft Classics etc. So people can blame sony all they want for swindling people with microtransaction, but i will direct them to the real culprits 😂
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
@Lysterao
We cant give Sony flack, based on assumptions. This is sort of what i’m getting at in my previous rant. Sony faces so many double standards.
Even in this situation where the fleecing is being done by other companies for years, somehow people still manage to put the emphasis on Sony. Speculating that they would have done it too, thereby overlooking who is really doing the fleecing right now.
EA, Activision, Xbox, Ubisoft and many other publishers have been monetizing gamers with microtransactions quite agressively for years, but somehow Sony even hinting at live service models makes them the bad guys.
Just to be clear, i don’t have an issue with microtransactions per se, i’m not pro or anti live service, and I’m not saying you can’t criticize Sony or anything. It just seems that Sony is held to a greater standard than other companies. Sony gets heat for things they aren’t even doing 😂
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
@themightyant Start rant: This is also why i see Sony as the underdog here. It’s not like they’re a small company or anything. But compared to juggernauts like Microsoft who can throw around $75B like it’s nothing.
Sony really needs to fight to stay in the game. That’s why it sometimes annoys me how people can dunk on Sony so bad sometimes. Like:
It’s like people don’t understand: They are a much smaller company than Xbox. They can’t afford to just drop games, that costs hundreds of millions to develop, on their $14 a month subscription service. They can’t take losses the way a trillion dollar company can.
They can’t just buy their way out of a slow output, by buying up two of the biggest publishers, and be praised for how much games they’re releasing, like Microsof does.
Having exclusives is a smart strategy to stay competitive and make your brand valuable. It’s what keeps them relevant in the space. But people want them to give it up and compete on the same terms as a trillion dollar company, they can’t. These are leverages for them to keep their company strong.
Microsoft has shown that you don’t need to be succesfull in the gaming space, you just need to throw around a bunch of money to be admired. And while i respect that in the business sense, i don’t respect it creatively. I will always support David over Goliath.
People don’t realise that Sony is the real underdog here, at least in the context of financial resources. Sony has to play the smart game here, they can’t play the rich game like Microsoft.
But they get so much negativity. Even just showing a ordinary chart like this in a financial report, which is boilerplate stuff, gets them heat from their user base, it’s ridiculous.
Some people seem to even be mad that they are profiting? Like literally every other company that profits? Even though their margins aren’t that big. I don’t see Microsoft getting heat for their profits, because let me tell you, they have profits. Oh boy, do they ever!
People saying Sony should have lowered their hardware prices? Meanwhile their console is the cheapest next gen high end console on the market and their competitor costs way more.
Or how people get their pitchforks whenever Sony even mentions live service and keep yelling for every game to fail, meanwhile EVERY other publisher have been doing live service for years, and people get aggressively monetized for $70 skins, but no one seems to care. I get that people might fear Sony losing it’s identity, but its frustrating they get slammed for even exploring things that every other publisher have been doing for years. Sony gets heat for such trivial things sometimes.
Ok, rant over, thanks to whoever managed to get to the end 😂
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
@djlard
No, they just released a normal chart showing how their revenue and profit has developed over time. Boilerplate stuff, happens in virtually every company’s financial reports. They are not misleading anyone, those are factually correct numbers. It’s people themselves, who assign “intent” to Sony actions here. This is all just a bunch of noise about something completely normal
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
Somehow these charts seem to have created a negative perception. Some people are now looking negatively at what are totally normal business profit increases over time.
These charts are actually completely unsurprising and normal. Most companies will have historic profit charts that look similar to these.
Guess who also makes way more profits now than 30 years ago? Tencent, Microsoft, Google, Netflix, Apple, Meta, Take Two, EA, Samsung, Nvidia, Amazon, Nintendo, Need, I, Go, On?
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
@John_Deacon
You must’ve not been following gaming news the last few years. Sony made mistakes pivoting a lot of their studios to live service. Most got cancelled which left a hole in their first party output. That’s a bit different from not caring. They just aren’t going to be able to pivot back so soon, since it takes a while to develop games
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
@BigRadical
Nope, better divert your pitchforks towards the studios responsible for games like Fifa, CoD, Diablo etc.
Re: Fans Can't Believe PS5 Has Made More Profit Than All Previous PlayStations Combined
Most companies make more profit then they did 25-30 years ago due to inflation, or else they’d probably be out of business, unless theyre some sort of non-profit or something. This is just a bunch of noise about nothing.
Instead of looking at the absolute profit figures, it’s best to look at the profit margins to see if things have really improved.
If we purely look at absolute profit , my local shoarma place also makes more money now for selling turkish pizza than he did 30 years ago. If you would look at the profit margin however, it’s probably about the same.
Looking at the chart, PS1 seems to have a better ratio of operating income to revenue than the PS5
Re: Rumour: Sony Wants Warner Bros' Gaming Assets, Like Mortal Kombat
Sony should definitely do this, if they can afford it. Maybe through a consortium for a majority and controlling stake. Just the DC and Wizardry IPs alone would be a huge get. But just imagine them owning their own streaming service with existing infrastructure and subscriber base. They could put crunchyroll and their own sony picture productions in the service and in one acquisition shoot to the top 3 global streaming services in the world, rivaling disney and netflix. They’d certainly be one of the biggest movie and tv production companies. And they’d be the only entertainment company with a dominant force in different media offerings ie movie/tv, music, anime and gaming. Remember this would be more of a Sony acquisition rather than for Playstation alone. The IP with transmedia potential they’d be getting would be unbelievable
Re: God of War's Rumoured Metroidvania Now Due in 2026 on PS5
Ah,… phooey! 😤 These leakers have me going on an emotional rollercoaster lol.
I agree @cainhurst94
Re: Rumour: Sony Wants Warner Bros' Gaming Assets, Like Mortal Kombat
Dont do it Sony, unless you get the ip rights as well. But i’m sure that won’t happen. Maybe if WB wants to sell the MK ip+Netherrealm for a good price.
If you want to spend, try to acquire Fromsoftware, Square Enix, CDPR or maybe try to acquire a substantial stake in Take Two.
Edit: Wait, so (if true) they’re eyeing to fully acquire WB, including it’s IP? Well thats a whole other proposition, in that case that would be huge. If they can get WB’s IP’s, they should definitely do it, for the right price
Re: There's a Brutal Lack of Interest in Marathon from Hardcore PS5 Fans
@Lowdefal I do agree with this, those were my first thoughts as well.
I think the tone of this article and using words like “doomed” is affecting perception of this game way more than anything else
Re: PS6's Rumoured Handheld Is Getting More Tangible by the Day
@wildcat_kickz Yeah you’re right, that actually makes a lot of sense!
Re: There's a Brutal Lack of Interest in Marathon from Hardcore PS5 Fans
To be fair, i can’t see anyone here voting for Fortnite or CoD if those were on the list, but still those are enormously popular.
Guess these hardcore PS5 fan polls don’t always correlate well with real world outcomes. In this case it could be true though. As always, i’ll just wait and see how it’ll turn up. No need to speculate for me.
But then again, i’m one of the few who tried Concord and didn’t think it was all that bad 😆
Re: PS6's Rumoured Handheld Is Getting More Tangible by the Day
@wildcat_kickz I’d argue that Sony paying smaller indie studios to develop some indie titles for it wouldn’t be that far outside the realm of possibility.
Yes, i can definitely see a scenario of some games on the console that can’t run on the handheld. And if they’re smart they will not enforce console-handheld parity, or console will be held back by this handheld much like the series S holds back the series X.
But i’m sure they’re smarter than that, or at least i hope
Re: PS6's Rumoured Handheld Is Getting More Tangible by the Day
@Lowdefal I wouldn’t say there’s no chance. They could let some teams make some solid AA titles for it. Or outsource it to some smaller indie studios. Doesn’t have to be a lot or be AAA titles or anything
Re: PS6's Rumoured Handheld Is Getting More Tangible by the Day
I’m definitely hyped for a new native Playstation handheld. If it allows cross-buy i’m down. Can’t wait to progressively get more info in the coming months. I do hope it gets its own exclusives as well
Re: Death Stranding 2 Feedback Was 'Too Good', So Hideo Kojima Made Big Changes
@Gelly
True, well said!
Re: Death Stranding 2 Feedback Was 'Too Good', So Hideo Kojima Made Big Changes
To everyone saying this is negative. While that might be true, i’d also like to point out that we don't know that what those early testers thought was good correlates with what you and I might think is good.
Also it’s a conversation he had with someone on his team, people are taking this way out of proportion. These discussions happen all the time during creative processes. Just judge the final product. If you like it, you like it. If you dont, well we can at least say that Kojima doesn’t care 😆
Re: Death Stranding 2 Feedback Was 'Too Good', So Hideo Kojima Made Big Changes
@CthulhuFhtagn
Dude, you’re quoting something he will never say and calling it pretentious 😅
Re: Death Stranding 2 Feedback Was 'Too Good', So Hideo Kojima Made Big Changes
@trev666 Some creatives just don’t like to create things that are too conventional. I can definitely relate to that.
Although, it’s probably in favor of the games commercial succes if its also balanced a bit by considering the reality of it needing to be palatable enough for most people to buy
Re: Geoff Keighley's Summer Game Fest Seems Unstoppable
Geoff Keighley really went all out this time, showing this bigass cock between his legs
Re: Stellar Blade 2 Dev Will Try Its Best to Hit 2027 Release, But Don't Expect It
Better release it fast before your audience goes blind by “enjoying” all those mods 😉
Re: Sony Lifts Region Locks on Its PC Games, Including Helldivers 2, The Last of Us, More
That’s good news for people in those regions! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼