LogicStrikesAgain

Open world approach looked good, combat very fluid, amazing art style as always, graphics wise it looks amazing, even if its more of an evolution than a revolution. Anyway, i’m sold

I think what the service offers at each tier for their price points is damn near perfect. Adding things such as Day 1 first party games is just not reasonable at this price point.

Anyway, what i would like to see is native PS3 downloads, some additions to Premium like Metal Gear Solid and GoW (original), maybe a bit more AA third party Day 1 games, maybe crunchyroll integration (limited library, to entice people to subscribe perhaps) and PS+ library fully accessible from a PS Portal

Now these are some good designs. Why don’t you hire these guys to design your limited edition controllers, Sony?!

@OmegaStriver While i agree somewhat about the silence being a bit dissapointing. I think their approach is better compared to some publishers who announce games way too early. I think there is something to say for keeping games under wraps until they are mostly ready. Like how they announced Astro Bot only 3 months before it released.

Wolverine is the outlier here, and shows exactly why Sony shouldn't announce things so soon. People start complaining when it takes too long.

And funnily enough, while some people like to complain about not having heard anything from Wolverine yet, it got announced less than 4 years ago.

Meanwhile Elder Scrolls was announced 7 years ago, Perfect Dark 5 years, Everwild 6 years and State of Decay 3 5 years ago. Obviously some of those have just been cancelled, which is another reason not to announce games too early, or at least wait when you know they are close to being ready

@PuppetMaster Yeah, i understand what you mean. And i do think you’re right about that. I’m just so curious about what they’re cooking 😅

@PuppetMaster You missed:

• Firesprite: Rumoured to be working on Until Dawn 2.
• Dark Outlaw Games: Probably new FPS IP by Blundell
• XDev: Marvel Tokon.

Also, i’m guessing Team Asobi is probably already working on a sequel or spin-off. Polyphony Digital has also probably started pre development on Gran Turismo 8. Guerilla Games is also working on a Horizon Online MP game. Insomniac rumoured to be working on Venom as well. And rumours are there’s a God of War 2.5D in development (although not sure if Santa Monica is working on this or an external studio).

All in all there seems to be plenty currently in development at Playstation Studios. But i do agree with the commenter you replied to: I wish Sony was a bit more transparant

Edit: Never mind, you did include Firesprite, im blind

I thought i was a (gaming)nerd, then i see this guy doing a 26 min deep dive on a single spaceship 😂

Love the passion though, and i do like the design as well. Then again, i’m in the minority who actually liked the Intergalactic trailer

Would be great if we could get a bigger state of play event from Sony around that time?

Also, doesnt Nintendo go to these events? If not, i wonder why? It’s the biggest gaming event in Japan. And they’re one of the biggest Japanese publishers.

@AdamNovice hopefully a release date 🤞🏼

I think the problem with Game Pass is the promise of Day 1 for all their AAA games just isn’t sustainable with such such a small user base, especially if it doesnt seem to be growing.

They projected to be around 60M before 2026 if i’m not mistaken. But they’re probably still around the same 35M they were a few years ago. They also probably realized that not all subscribers stay subscribed to a service for the long term, some just subscribe for a month to play the game. Even if subcribers increase, many would still just sign up for a month or two, and leave again. That further makes it difficult to be sustainable long term. This is also the reason they (and Sony) don’t reveal subscriber numbers anymore, it probably just fluctuates too much.

The service is great and it helped them out of a situation where their brand was becoming obsolete. But they also kind of shot themselves in the foot by promising Day 1 for all their games. They’re locked in to this model now. Especially now that they bought all these studios and publishers, they have to put even more AAA games on it Day 1. And since their subcription numbers aren’t growing, and with development costs continually rising, this is just totally unsustainable in the long term. Only reason it’s held on is because the parent company is the wealthiest company in the world. They are probably figuring out how they can pivot from this situation.

Maybe they just need to say that not every game can be Day 1 anymore (ofcourse there will be backlash, they will just have to project if they can manage the backlash aka loss in subcriptions) and go back to a more sustainable service where some of their games are available to buy for lets say 3-6 months, and some maybe even up to a year before they go on the service. Basically how films usually release in cinemas first, and then after a few months go on streaming services

Sony entering the mobile space, interesting!

Not into mobile games myself though, but still interesting. I think they are one of the last publishers to really venture into mobile. It looked like they were struggling how to go about it, so maybe this’ll be their way in

@HonestHick You know what? It takes a lot to say sorry, especially online, where it’s easy to just hide behind anonymity. So i appreciate that, and i want to apologize as well for being too critical on you.

Also, just to clarify, while i was being critical on you yesterday, I wasn’t actually defending those people or disagreeing with your main points.

I agree, it’s a bit hypocritical for people to want a company to fail and then get mad at them when layoffs happen. And that goes for both sides, as i’m sure you’d agree.

Either way, it’s all good. Respect for owning up to your side, i do appreciate that 👊🏼

@HonestHick

if Sony releases more and more live service games in the future and they come to all platforms. How much of a difference will the libraries look from PS and XBox in the future

Here’s where i agree with you! I think a main pillar of Sony’s business is exclusives, and if too much go multiplatform, i do think they might be in trouble, as it would make it harder for them to differentiate themselves.

Although, i don’t think Helldivers 2 getting ported means that they’re suddenly shifting their strategy to porting all IP’s to Xbox. But on the long term, who knows? You can’t really predict what happens in gaming anymore 😆

That’s unexpected! Still haven’t got around to this game, but still plan to get it, it looks like fun!

Maybe in a few years we can just merge all these sites together and just have 1 😂

GTA5 still in the top 3 😵‍💫

@HonestHick

Again you can defend them cause you’ve done that better than seeing my point

Me criticizing the way you tend to communicate here does not equal me defending or siding with those people you talk about. Just want to make that clear. That’s a just a leap you’re making, dare i say….an assumption?

Funny thing is, personally i don’t even judge MS for these lay offs. I actually tend to see things from a business perspective. Bet you didn’t assume that 😜

But there’s no point for me to keep replying, i feel like you’re all over the place. I think i just don’t get your communication style, and i’m sure that’s likewise. So let’s just leave it at that

To be clear, I’m not talking about your stance on this whole lay off situation or what your thoughts on it are. I am talking about how you tend to communicate:

“My role is to call out the lack of common sense and total BS that seems to slide and become the norm”
Not sure if you see it, but this could be an example of bias awareness

“If anything calling out the fanboys that wanted one of the big 3 to fail and they are to an extent only to then say how awful it is that people lost their jobs”
Generalization. How do you know that the many commenters above who are concerned about the workers, are the same ones wanting Xbox to fail?

Also, are you actively ignoring all the fans that want Sony and their endeavours to fail? Can you see how your views might come across as one sided?

“Yore not calling me a fanboy with any merit”
Not calling you a fanboy at all. I’m saying the way you communicate sometimes has fanboy energy, what with all the bias, assumptions and sweeping generalizations you tend to make.

“But you knew that, and choose a topic in which you can’t defend”
Assumption. And don’t know what you mean by this. I’m not defending Xbox, Xbox haters, or any particular stance here. Just making a comment on the energy you send out.

“Let’s keep cheering on those that want industry pieces to fail”
Another assumption and generalization. You’re assuming everyone critical on something Xbox does, wants them to fail. People can be critical towards Xbox and still be concerned about people losing their jobs.

I think we can both agree that this has dragged on a bit too far. I apologize if my comments hurt your feelings. Lets just agree to leave it here and move on 🤝🏼

@HonestHick I’m not calling you a fanboy. I’m saying your posts sometimes exhibit fanboy energy. If you don’t agree, that’s fine. That’s how it comes across to me.

You often talk about other peoples biases and contradictions without acknowledging your own. You don’t seem to want to engage with other people’s points at all. You don’t come across neutral to me, no matter how many consoles you own. I’m not talking about that, i’m talking about your energy and the way you communicate.

The reason im not engaging in the things you’re asking is because you come across as baiting people in to console war discussions. You don’t come across as if you’re willing to have a thoughtful conversation.

Not everyone on here wants Xbox to fail. You talk like all people here are just a bunch of fanboys, and you’re supposedly totally not one.

Actively ignoring many people here on this site who do have thoughtful and balanced opinions, with which you can have constructive conversations with.

I’m not calling you a fanboy. I mean, how could you be? You own all 3 consoles 😉

@HonestHick

think before you speak, cause i am also on Pure right now trying to remind people that many of those layoffs were from teams that announced games in 2018- 2022 and still have nothing going right. That will lose you a job in the entertainment business. Also, do people not say they want Xbox out of the industry on this site? Honest question, did i make that up? Do you skip past it? Or does someone telling the truth and not following status quo upset you? Cause nothing i said is made up. So i will make sure to tag you in the Xbox should quit, throw in towel, they won’t make new hardware etc etc posts and then i will ask well if that happens does that person have a job anymore? Microsoft is a poorly ran company that thinks size and money helps fix problems, there is a reason Apple runs circles around them as a company, and Sony does in gaming. But they do have things i like and i think the more in the business is for the better. But if you are on MY post to defend the people wishing failure only to then say how awful it is they don’t have jobs. You might want to reconsider whom to speak with. Cause i support this industry as much as possible and rip into people speaking out both sides of their mouths for a reason. No one ELSE WILL!

See, it’s the way you communicate that gives off that energy.

Every time is see a post of yours, it’s full of assumptions about other peoples intentions and motivations. You often make sweeping generalizations.

And here we are. Another overreactive reaction full of overblown claims and assumptions

@HonestHick Why you always gotta talk down on the users of this site bro?

anytime i speak highly of XBox on here i am met with harsh comments

Maybe if you get fanboy energy from some people here, it might be because you send out fanboy energy yourself

I wonder what the cancelled game was that started development in 2018? 🤔

@Max_the_German Sometimes it’s worth mentioning when publishers (in this case Sony) have been doing things right, and continue to due so, while others are changing their priorities

Wow the statements in that email are really something!

I understand he has to acknowledge how strong the company is. But leading with how great their numbers, platform and profits are, just makes what follows sound extra nasty!

@Shad361 Padded in what way? He asked about exclusives, i listed them. What do you mean by padded? Are there games on there that aren’t exclusive? If so, i’ll gladly take them off the list if you want to point them out

@Thumper People like to mention remakes as a burn on Sony for focusing on them this gen, but in reality, Sony actually only made 3 remakes.

The only real remakes this generation: Demon Souls, Last of Us part 1 and Until Dawn.

The first two scored a 92 and 89 on Metacritic. So if we’re talking that level of quality, plus older remakes like Shadow of the Colossus etc, i’d say bring on the remakes!

Personally, i’d like to see Bloodborne, Killzone 2&3(+ multiplayer) and Jak & Daxter 😁

@HRdepartment

that’s not a very long list for a 5 year old console

It’s 4,5 years old, and i’d say it’s arguably a pretty long list, especially if you compare it to other current gen 4,5 year old consoles. When averaged out, they’ve gotten more than 4 exclusives/year so far. I don’t think thats too bad at all.

Many don’t realize Playstation had 11 exclusives last year alone.

This year they have 9 exclusive games. And that’s just what we know of so far.

@Liamsufc1

remakes upon remakes I don't need to play 25 year old games with netter visuals

Only 3 games out of the 35 i listed are remakes

95% of those are on ps4

Still exclusive to Playstation. Also only 3 games out of the listed 35 are available on PS4. How did you come up with 95%?

wolverine? It's years away

Speaking of ps5 exclusive games where are they? What's coming up?

Ironically the game you mentioned, Clockwork Revolution, doesn't have a release date etiher, not too mention you specifically asked whats coming up? So i listed all anounced upcoming exclusives

@OldGamer999 Now that would have been really interesting for sure!

@PuppetMaster No time wasted, just copied most from my notes 😆

@Rich33 I think most first party games have optimized their loading times to near instant, like Demon Souls, Spiderman, Ratchet, GT7, GoW, HFW, Astro and now Death Stranding 2.

Regarding other studios, yeah you’re probably right. I guess Sony just delivers the hardware, and how that hardware is used is just up to the studios themselves

@AhmadSumadi If by ‘par for the course’, you mean totally off topic and mostly filled with assumptions, then yeah you just hit a hole in one! 🤪

Most haven’t even mentioned ML learning, which is what this article is mostly about. The focus mainly lies on how the PS5 gen sucks (paraphrasing). So, yeah do with it what you want, i’m leaning in to the chaos lol

@Liamsufc1

The ps5 has no games compared the ps4

Even xbox has that clockwork revolution exclusive that looks better than any other ps5 exclusive. Speaking of ps5 exclusive games where are they? What's coming up?

You’re kidding right? In case you’re not, here’s a list of their past and upcoming exclusives:

• Demon Souls
• Destruction All stars
• Returnal
• Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart
• God of War: Ragnarok
• Gran Turismo 7
• Horizon Forbidden West
• Spider man 2
• Astro Bot
• Helldivers 2
• Lego Horizon Adventures
• Rise of the Ronin
• Granblue Fantasy: Relink
• Stellar Blade
• Silent Hill 2
• Final Fantasy Rebirth
• Pacific Drive
• Towers of Aghasba
• Midnight Murder Club
• Death Stranding 2
• Lost Soul Aside
• Baby Steps
• Sword of the Sea
• Ghost of Yotei
• Marvel Tokon
• Wolverine
• Saros
• Intergalactic
• Fairgames
• Marathon
• Phantom Blade Zero
• Nioh 3
• The Midnight Walk
• Cairn
• Hirogami

The list is far from exhaustive as it still misses a lot of titles, like some from the china/india/mena projects etc.
And obviously there’s much more to be announced that we don’t know of yet

@Lup

I need something more than "better versions of games I can play on last-gen".

What do you mean by that? Thats how it has always worked in gaming. Even high end ray traced PC games can work on older PC hardware with scaled down setting. The fact that some PS5 games have PS4 versions isn’t any different.

And again, over the last 2 years most major games have been releasing on current gen only. Sure, there are some like Call of Duty which still supports last gen, but most studios have moved on. Why focus on the few that still release on last gen?

@Lup

a lot of games don't even begin to use the full power of the PS5.

Contrary to popular belief, almost every game uses the full power of the PS5.

The difference lies in priorities: Some developers focus on 60fps, some on raw graphical output, or optimizing loading times. Also, different game types like large open world or AA indie puzzle games use the power differently.

No power is being left untapped by developers. Most games are already showing the limits of what the PS5 can achieve, and it’s typically around 1440p 60fps, mostly with standard rasterization and without heavy ray tracing

@Dalamar

and Sony already tries to sell PS6?! Well, good luck.

Not really Sony here trying to sell anything, when its a Twitter post from an AMD executive, is it?

@Lup

Games are still releasing on PS4 and the same it's going to happen with PS5.

Why shouldn’t publishers release games for older consoles? Thats like PC games not catering to older PC hardware, or Apple not supporting older phones

Also, why focus on the few studios that still make PS4 games? Most studios have long moved on to only releasing on current gen

On topic: I think ML Frame Generation and Ray Regeneration are good goals to aim for the next console

Just a heads up for the people who don’t know her: Lisa is a member of the most famous female Kpop band in the world right now.

For those who don’t know what Blackpink is, it’s a popular K-pop band from South Korea, they’ve had several #1 hits on the billboard charts and have worked together with artists such as Lady Gaga, Dua Lipa, Bruno Mars and Selena Gomez.

So, now every one’s up to speed, and can stop asking who she is 😉

@cburg It got pushed back to the top of the page because they added new info to the article, this happens every time they update an article, nothing nefarious going on here.

Also this isn’t creating a narrative, this is just reporting news. They are not fabricating anything, just stating that Bloomberg, VGC, Jason Schreier and other key people in the industry are talking about massive layoffs going to occur tomorrow at Microsoft. These aren’t rumours coming from some small time leakers or something. Bloomberg is a global economic leader, and multiple other credible outlets are reporting on this as well.

Are you implying Push Square aren’t supposed to cover some major industry news anymore, because it might upset some Microsoft fans?

Let’s focus on whats actually happening here, in stead of assuming there’s some fanboy agenda going on here

For all the people who think the service is bad. Let’s break down PS+ Extra for example: The service costs $11.25/month if you pay yearly. They offer access to 700+ games, discounts on PS store purchases, online gaming, offer a monthly amount of around 10-15 games and even Day One releases every now and then. I honestly think that’s a lot of value for that price.

Genuine question. If you don’t think that’s a reasonable offering for $11,25/month, what do you think they should offer more for that price? Day one first party games? Extra features?

Personally, i don’t think they could offer much more at that price without raising the cost. Maybe we might just be getting a bit spoiled?

@Fiendish-Beaver Yeah, i’m certainly not dunking on this collectors edition, as it looks awesome, i love all the goodies included.

I just don’t understand why they wouldn’t include the box. I mean it usually has interesting artwork on it that a true collector would want to have as well

I do like collectors editions and all, but i just don’t understand why they won’t add a physical copy in it. Isn’t one of the main points of being a collector, to be able to showcase a collection of physical disc boxes?

Or do they include the box with the cover and stuff? Honestly i dont know, i’ve never bought one of these collectors editions

@PerpetualBoredom I agree, wholeheartedly! I don’t know if your familiar with it, but The Zeitgeist Defined is a wonderful book about transitioning from a capitalist system to a more logical, efficient, sustainable, science based and humane one

@Kalime78 well, that only proves my point that while everything increases in price, games hardly do. Which is not sustainable for game development

@ShadowofSparta That’s not really my point though was it? I was merely showing that game prices have increased way less than most other things in the past 20 or so years. Even effectively being cheaper now than 20 years ago, if you consider inflation.

But to answer your question, i don’t know if wages have gone up exactly the same way as inflation has. For some perhaps not, for others, wage increases may have even exceeded inflation. I bet developers make more money now than they did 20 years ago.

Games also take more years and more people to develop now, because they’re way more complex. But while their wages and game development cost in general have gone up, game prices haven’t. How is that sustainable from a production point of view?

@UltimateOtaku91 Yup, my point exactly!

Digital sales are much more interesting to hear about nowadays, seeing as they count for around 80% of the sales. Even up to 95% in some markets like the UK. So yeah, before yelling that the game is doomed, people might wanna wait before they put their foot in their mouth

I don’t know how game prices have increased historically in Brazil, so i can’t really comment on that. But in the US and Europe game prices have hardly increased for decades.

Games started going for $60 around 2006 in the PS3 era. So it has only increased $10 in the past 19 years!

Let’s compare some other things in the same time frame:

• Flagship Iphone in 2007: $599, Iphone 16 Pro Max in 2025: $1399
• Nvidia Geforce 8800GTX in 2006: $599, Nvidia RTX 5090 in 2025: $1999

And while game development cost have risen tremendously over the last two decades, game prices have hardly changed.

Adjusted for inflation, a $60 game in 2006 would need to cost about $90 today. So $70 games are actually cheaper now than they were back then

This likely won’t go their way. Sony isn’t responsible for pricing. As far as i know, third party sets their own pricing, even in the Playstation store. So how can Sony be sued for prices they didn’t set?

Unless they confine their whole case to only Sony’s games. But then Sony could easily just say that their prices are dictated by the market and what competitors do. Their game prices are now even lower than their main competitor.

All in all, doesnt seem like a very strong case. But since my legal expertise is basically zero, i’ll just leave it with those speculations

@SeaDaVie That was one heck a target they were going after lol. I guess if you're gonna dream, you better dream big.

Unfortunately, they are nowhere near those goals. Wonder what their plan B and C is if they don’t meet their 2026 target of 60m. Maybe them putting a “This is an Xbox” sticker on all kinds of hardware already is part of their backup plan

I love it when they do these artworks. Not only are they cool and creative, it’s also nice to see developers supporting each other and showing love

@SeaDaVie

They were targeting 30m by the end of the decade 🤪

Wait wasn’t it 100m by the end of the decade?

I don’t wanna comment too much on rumours. But damn, if true, it really seems those acquisitions in combination with Game Pass subscribers not really increasing the way they had projected is really doing a number on Xbox.

Didn’t they say during the FTC trials that they were targeting a certain amount of subscriber before 2026 or something? I wonder if they’re close to that goal.

@GamingFan4Lyf Sorry to hear that man! That sucks, hope you got back on ur feet!

@awp69 This is less about Game Pass, and more about why Sony can’t do Day One forst party. No one’s saying Game Pass isn’t great. What some are arguing is that “PS+ sucks” because it doesn't follow the same model as Game Pass. And i think that is disingenuous for many reasons.

People always seem to ignore the financial context of these companies. A $150B company cannot always make the same financial decisions as a $3 trillion tech company.

Tbh, it doesn’t look like this strategy is all that sustainable for Microsoft either. The problem is they just can’t change it, they’re locked in now. People would go crazy if they suddenly reversed it.

That doesn’t mean Sony has to do the same thing Microsoft does. Sony not doing Day One for their first party titles is probably one of the smartest decisions for their business, given their financial reality. It would simply not be sustainable for them