There was unexpected excitement during this desperately dull April earlier today when a bunch of classic Syphon Filter games were rated for release on the PlayStation 5 and PS4 in South Korea. The releases – expanding to pretty much every entry in the series, aside from its PS2 outing Syphon Filter: The Omega Strain and the third game in the series – confirms that we could be on the cusp of a renaissance for retro PlayStation releases, courtesy of the upcoming PS Plus Premium.
However, Sony is yet to disclose the full details, beyond the fact that PS1, PS2, and PSP games will be playable natively, while PS3 will be restricted to cloud streaming only. PlayStation bigwig Jim Ryan has promised that they look “great” but has failed to elaborate the finer points, which begs the question: what do you actually expect? Nintendo, for all the criticism it’s received, has done a decent job expanding its Switch Online catalogue and adding some quality-of-life features, like save states and even rewindable gameplay with its NES, SNES, and SEGA Genesis emulators.
These are, in our opinion, the bare minimum – especially when it comes to running PS1 games on the PS5. Most modern PC emulators come with a bunch of features that breathe new life into classic games, whether it’s adding filters to the visuals or allowing you to park your progress wherever you are. There are plenty of compilations on the PS4, in fact, that offer similar functionality – the SEGA Genesis Classics collection immediately springs to mind.
Looking at the comments on our aforementioned Syphon Filter article, some are expecting Trophies as well. While Sony has submitted various patents over the years, this was considered a bottleneck during the company’s short-lived PS2 Classics program, with one engineer stating it could take up to three months to add Trophies to old games. Conversely, there are websites like RetroAchievements which function alongside programs like RetroArch to support achievements in old games – and, amusingly, the entire Syphon Filter series is supported.
There’s also a question of whether PlayStation will repeat a cardinal sin of offering the 50Hz versions of games when 60Hz editions exist. This is an oversight it inexplicably made with the PS Classic, killing any interest core gamers had in that product, and one that surely can’t be repeated again. With PS Plus Premium launching as early as 23rd May in parts of Asia, we should expect some kind of official confirmation soon. In the meantime, we’re curious what features you think Sony’s retro emulation will offer.
As always, let us know what you’re expecting in the poll and comments section below. Do you think this is going to be straight emulation with no bells-and-whistles, or are you expecting Sony to put in a bit more work to offer quality-of-life improvements like save states, rewind, and potentially even Trophies?
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What I want is access to a huge library of classic games, updated visuals and trophy support.
What we'll get will fall way short of that mark I fear.
Hope I'm wrong though.
I’d love most of those but I expect none of them.
I know I'm gonna be disappointed no matter what Sony do they will never compare to game pass. Day one first party games is unbeatable. With bills going up asking g 70 quid for a game just isn't the way forward. Many of my friends are now xbox only.
I'm somewhere between a realist and a pessimist... usually lean towards realist. I'm betting that there will be no updates to the PS1 games. They couldn't even be bothered to get the systems to run the discs so... not like it's going to affect me anyways.
This is Sony...you can bet yer bottom Dollar you will not get what you wanted....just a Emulated version...and thanks to the Internet and a couple of hacking experts that ground has been covered....GTA San Andreas was emulated a decade ago.....much better than the &$ap Rockstar produced and the cheeky monkeys wanted £60........on the bright side it's good they talking Syphon Filter now all we need is Vagrant Story HD Remaster and i'll be happy as a sandboy.
@Uncharted2007 The PS5 doesn’t read CDs. They’d have to issue an entirely new console SKU to get around that.
I want an HD Remake version of PEPSIMAN on PS5.
Also, a remastered port of Punky Skunk.
I'm not a child, so I don't need save states to beat a game. I just want trophies. Online multiplayer would be nice I guess, but I doubt it'll happen, Sony will just say to use shareplay.
I expect the absolute bare minimum when it comes to the classics. No enhancements whatsoever. Which I could live with if the game selection makes up for it. But I doubt that as well, lol.
I'd like performance improvements where appropriate and trophy support.
I expect the absolute bare minimum.
they’re just gonna add trophies 😴
@Anti-Matter That’s literally not what the poll is asking.
Hoping for a nice performance bump and trophies in classic games!
I’m all for new IP but the PSP/Vita version of Syphon Filter Dark Mirror (had a PS2 release) & Uncharted Golden Abyss should get a DS PS release.
About those options. That would be awesome but I can’t see that happen (maybe two)
I'm not really hoping for too much. Save states would be nice, but I'll settle for just having a few good games at launch and the promise that they will expand the library going forward.
Save states is the only thing I expect. The rest would be nice, but I very highly doubt PlayStation would use the resources to include the other things.
@nedbvv the entire article is about classic games and enhanced features of those classic games. What does that have to do at all with gamepass or day 1 releases???
Given PS1 is most like N64, I think it'll be similar to the N64 NSO app and that only got save states.
I don’t expect anything honestly. I don’t know why people even want these classic games so badly. Most haven’t aged well at all. I have a PS1/PS2 and occasionally feel the need to take a trip down memory lane. Often it’s a short trip because the fact is, they just don’t hold up. I think a lot of people will realise that themselves when this service goes live. Give me remakes any day.
Save states are a video game emulation staple. Even Nintendo supports save states in the games they provide via NSO.
Other than that, I'm not expecting much.
@nedbvv That's great and all but this has absolutely nothing to do with the article. Completely different topic.
I dont have high hopes, I hope they don't force 50Hz versions into the 60Hz refresh rate, and mess up the frame pacing. They did with the PS2 classics on PS4, the PSTV, and the PS Classic. Some decent scan line options, save states, good emulation would be the minimum. Mainly, I just hope Sony will consider the 50/60Hz difference when they are desiging the new service.
@nessisonett TBH... it's pretty dumb that they took out CD playback. All their money... they can find a way to have the PS5 acknowledge what game it is and give the user access to the digital version.
I don’t expect any better treatment of this than they did when they crapped out the dismal PlayStation Classic mini console.
The option of buying them & owning them would be nice
@Would_you_kindly I agree to be honest, I'd rather buy and keep a few games I really want. I only occasionally sub to Nintendo Switch online for a month, but I'd rather buy the few retro classics I want to play.
The Spanish Inquisition.
All I really want is trophy support for the classic games. If we get this and anything more, I am partying like a rock star 🤙😂
However, I am keeping my expectations in check. C’mon Sony, surprise me. Please!!
Cool.Parasites eve got to be there.cant wait to play my favorite ps1 games again in syphon filter.word up son
@Uncharted2007 Well no, they can’t really. If the laser can’t actually read the disc then there’s not much you can do. Nothing that maintains the core principles of physical copies without opening up the potential to game the system anyway. There’s honestly more chance of the PS5 reading a Wii disc.
What I expect (and need) to be provided: trophies.
What I hope will also be provided: save states, 60hz
What I hope is not provided: rewind
@BritneyfR_ee I do agree. That is why I want trophy support. I think I would enjoy going back more if I can pop those bad boys! Could be wrong though, I am sure my nostalgia colored glasses are holding those games up to a degree.
I want the getaway 1 and 2 with improved visuals and trophy support. I won't get it however
At least upscaled resolutions. It don't need to be full screen though, just removing the blur is ok. Many emulators already do this and I see no reason why Sony don't.
@nessisonett It seems like it could be resolved with a firmware update. My 4k blu-ray player reads everything. PS4/5 not being able to read CDs is still pretty dumb.
@nessisonett
Has it actually been confirmed that the drive is physically incapable or could it be updated with a theoretical update and/or licence purchases?
Trophy support is obviously needed. They should have a dedicated team just doing that to all games that get added to the service.
Also, for the love of god, let me play Ape Escape 2 properly on my PS5...the visual glitches are so annoying!
Trophies is really all I want, but I have little to no interest in playing PS1 or PS2 games when there’s still so many PS4 & PS5 games I have yet to play.
Not sure what to expect other than maybe a bump in resolution and save states. But once again I'm hoping them dabbling in legacy content somehow leads to being able to purchase these games in the future or let you transfer your PS1/2 classics you bought from the ps3 store to the ps5
@nessisonett how is that possible? I thought every DVD player reads cds?
Hoping for trophies
@feral1975 @RatmCky @Uncharted2007 It’s the exact same situation as the PS4, it’s a Blu-Ray drive and doesn’t read CDs. It’s to do with the laser, CDs require more penetrative lasers which means they use a different focal point IIRC. So PS1 is a nope, plus some PS2 discs like Ico.
Edit: Did a little bit of digging and the PS4 includes a 650nm laser for DVDs and a 450nm laser for Blu-Rays. It lacks the 780nm laser for CDs. I’d expect the same for the PS5 except with the 405nm laser for 4K Blu-Rays as well.
@nessisonett
Very annoying, sounds like more of Jim Ryan's dirty work.
Agreeing with Feral on this one.
@Uncharted2007 @feral1975 For sure. Wouldn’t surprise me if it was an attempt to push players towards Spotify since it’s front and centre on the dashboard.
Exactly that, but that's a no brainer as it's an external source they can just recoup revenue from.
The lack of any future potential of inbuilt backwards compatibility like previous consoles is sabotage pure and simple.
It always goes back to his idea of wanting to sell the same thing multiple times instead of using that to back up a userbase to purchase future content.
It seems to me a method that will ultimately stagnate things long term.
I expect the cheapest effort possible! my jaw would be in the floor if even one of those happens so expect nothing and be surprised if you get one at least 🤷
I guess it's because it's a given but you forgot the most important one which is buttom mapping
@BritneyfR_ee what are your top 5 most wanted remakes?
I'd like to be able to use the ps1 and ps2 games I bought on my ps3 and PSP without paying a subscription, sort of like what microsoft does with the xbox.
Save states will pretty much be all we get from here if we're lucky.
Tbh just having the ability to play older games is enough for me.
I have a feeling that it’s just going to be exactly like playing PS1 games on a PS3. Trophies would be nice, but I just don’t see it. The plus side is that they can add more games quicker.
Your poll should include upscaled resolution - emulators have been doing this for years and I have been waiting for Playstation to include this. The other is PGXP which stops the wobbly vertices in PS1 games.
Why would we get trophies?
Sony don't make the trophy lists, the dev's do?
I very much doubt that games upto nearly 30 years old are getting looked at by individual devs, some who may not be even around now, or as they were known then, on engines that havnt been used in god knows how long, on an emulator thats private to sony, and will stay private for as long as possible to stop home brewers an easy way to backhack into the ps5
The devs would have to go through so many hoops, IF they are still around as devs, ask Sony nicely to allow them to use their emulator to hack back into old code or roms, then arbitrarily put trophies into random places into games, then play test that game to make sure the new code and systems isn't messing anything up, providing that rom back to sony to certify, patching and ongoing support for anything that a very, very small team of testers didn't get round too ....for each old game...? That would potentially take months and months, per game, per dev
Or, sony just use the roms that are readily available and are known to be working, complete, stable, relatively bug free, for years and years, on their emulator, and call it a day
The only thing I expect will be save states. Maybe rewind feature.
If all we got were trophy support I'd be happy. It just gives me that much more incentive to go back and really challenge myself on old games I used to play all the time, making them feel new all over again.
First of all I'd be more than happy as long as they play well and aren't broken. Save states would be a nice bonus.
As for trophies, I couldn't care less, no offense to anyone but I've never really understood the obsession with them
@FatallyYours117 I imagine Sony wouldn't be able to put the games on the service if they weren't able to contact the developers, or whoever owns the rights to the IP. It's not like trophies aren't without precedent, we got them for PS2 games afterall. I'm not sure what the whole process for adding trophies is and how complicated it gets but it's not like this would be something completely new for Sony.
I'm also pretty sure that the publishers are going to be compensated as well. It's not like Sony's just gonna grab some illegal ROMs off the net and stuff them into the service, every game that is added needs to go through licencing again and there will be hoops to jump through...but that's why it's Sony's job to offer incentives.
I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed.
@FatallyYours117 it's at least slightly simpler than that. Sony can add trophies without modifying the game's rom. This is a technology they've patented. Basically they have hooks in the emulator that can trigger trophies depending on certain memory states or disk reads. As for how easy their tools are for adding these triggers, I don't know, but there would be 0% risk of introducing bugs into the game by adding trophies.
I expect at minimum some upscale in resolution and smooth 30fps or 60 fps. Manuel save anywhere at anytime is great for any game on any system.
My interests are in PS3 games that i can play from my PS4 or PS5 hard drive, have improved graphics and frame rates, and that i can purchase. For example are PS3 games that were released at the same time on PS4 like Far Cry 4 or released later as good quality upgraded PS4 editions like with GTA 5, Skyrim, the Borderlands series, and the Dead Island series.
@feral1975 lol, this was the case for PS4 too so planned in ~2011 or earlier. Aka when there was still very different people on top of SIE. This was also probably dont because they didnt want to keep paying Panasonic who still has a patent to CD Readers.
Since I doubt many of these features will be implemented I'm happy to have a steam Deck pre-ordered. I hope to be proven wrong though. Would like to dig in to some obscure or JP only PlayStation games.
I will say once you hacked the PlayStation classic with auto bleem it was fantastic
I don’t EXPECT anything given Sony’s position in the past. But I’d love save states, trophies, visual/gfx filters and rewind. In that order
I voted trophy support, but that's more wishful thinking than actually believing it will come.
Expect versus want. I’d love most of those features but we all know Sony and I’m expecting the same psone titles we had on ps3.
I'm setting my expectations low. I'll probably still be disappointed.
I have a feeling that the most we'll get is save states with an empty promise that more features will be coming at a later date.
They need to look at controls as well: some of those games will need mappable controls and even input collaboration.
As with a few comments here, expect nothing extra so anything else is a bonus.
@nedbvv
Yeah all those great first Day indie games are unbelievable indeed. And those 2 Xbox exclusives that are already out there. The rest won't come until 2023, but gamepass is great.
What i'm hoping for is that any retro releases have decent emulation that can enhance the graphics of the games (i'm thinking how bleem! achieved this in running ps1 games on the pc originally) but what i'm expecting is lazy ports with trophy support possibly..cant say i'm excited personally but i hope the gamers out there get what they desire and are happy..
@Perturbator No one expects the Spanish Inquisition…
Big lol at all those expectations and the inevitable outrage when the games land untouched.
I honestly think it's going to be minimum effort emulations of originals. There won't be any trophies or anything else.
They better have trophies, or their going to lose thousands of potential subscribers for the premium tier.
Honestly i just want good ports that play, look and control well, anything else is a nice extra.
I have very little interest in retro games and won't be subscribing the Premium tier, so couldn't care less what they implement.
I'm expecting very little indeed from New Fony Sony.
At the very least, they should add pixel smoothing and a small resolution boost, similar to the options when playing PS1 and PS2 games on the old fat PS3.
Apart from that, I'm really expecting the same lacklustre support for some titles that no-one played in the first place and the same lack of the PS1 and PS2's 'killer' games.
I've just bought a Switch - I think Nintendo will be doing a better job of preserving gaming legacies, including some PS2 ports and the missing PS classics, than the current incumbents of PS.
Im happy enough to see what they bring, but I still feel the desire for these old titles outside of specialist gaming sites like this is hugely over stated, and other people i know with ps5s are not even going to consider looking at old titles. I suspect the number of owners who regularly use this in the future will be very small (under %5).
Take up aside, Id hope Sony put a little effort into making sure the service is as good as it can be. If people are to pay for this, then they desrve a well developed way to access and enjoy what they have paid for.
I'll be surprised at any of these except save states.
@Angelus3K These Gamepass shills are everywhere it's like a damn religion to them like they have to spread the word of almighty Gamepass and convert the non-believers it's pitiful really
Surprised save states are so popular with people. A lot of retro games were not designed to have states so this feature would break the gameplay loop in a lot of older games
I expect them to be overpriced.
@Dr-M I should have said give me remakes (and remasters).
Some of my favourite PS1/PS2 games have already had the remake treatment:
Spyro Trilogy
RE (GameCube)
RE2 / RE3
MediEvil
Crash Trilogy
FF VII
Shadow of the Colossus
If I had to pick 5 more, I would say :
Silent Hill 1&2
MGS
Tomb Raider 1-5
Dino Crisis 1&2
Soul Reaver
Most of my favourite PS2 games have already been remastered on PS3 (which is good enough in most cases) :
Ratchet & Clank Trilogy
Tomb Raider (Legend) Trilogy
Sly Cooper Trilogy
God of War Collection
God of War Origins Collection
Jack & Daxter Collection
MGS Collection
Prince or Persia Trilogy (the first one is currently being remade).
On the PS3 side, I’d love to see the following games get the remaster treatment on PS4/5 (too early to be remaking PS3 games imo) :
inFamous 1&2
Dead Space 1-3
Prince of Persia (2008)
Red Dead Redemption / Undead Nightmare
These are just off the top of my head - I’m sure I’ll have missed some.
I'd rather have online play than trophies, at least for some games like SOCOM and Twisted Metal. Nintendo has added in that feature for their service, so it's possible but not probable, lol.
The only thing I'd like to know is if they have Trophy support.
Probably the absolute bare minimum from Sony but Im hoping for:
Like I say we will probably not see anything of substance but at least its a start.
@Milktastrophe
You don’t need save states? Riiiiiight 🤥
Trophies are the only thing I need to be happy. Having different icons on profiles to show what tier of Plus you are on would be nice too but ultimately trivial compared to a fat load of Platinums.
I voted none, but I would really, really love trophy support!
Not getting my hopes up for anything, really. Save states would be great, but I’m not holding my breath even for that. I think Trophies for these hundreds of retro games is extremely unlikely.
Trophy support is realistically the only thing that’s going to make me give the majority of the classic games more than just a glance to be honest.
The most important thing they need to do for older games like psone titles, hands down, is some kind of upscaling to ensure they don't look like a complete dogs dinner on large modern HD and 4K screens. Everything else would be nice to have, but this feature above all is the most important to me.
Honestly, trophy support is my most wanted feature. The feeling of getting a platinum in Metal Gear Solid 1 for example... Graphical enhancements are expected too. And a dedicated section for these classics in Ps Store, allowing to buy them individually. Lock them in the premium tier only is a serious mistake.
I expect the original game. If you upgrade the game whether by graphics or gameplay or adding trophies/saves you are not playing a retro game. I personally do not play old games either to replay a favorite or play something I missed. Pointless to me.
But there are gray areas to the above like Crash Bandicoot remake and Journey for me so.....
I'm only expecting save states. As much as I would love to have trophies or visual bumps, I just don't see them happening.
@Milktastrophe I'm an old fart and I need save states to get more than 5 feet in old games.
@freddquadros it’s only going to be by the service not per game
I expect nothing because Sony like Nintendo are trash companies.
Where's my VRR and PS2 BC? Oh right.
@twitchtvpat That's a bummer and they will lose lots of money too.
I love PlayStation, but Sony can’t seem to get out of their own way lately, it’s always one step forward two steps back. I expect that everything fans expect to see won’t be seen. I hope I’m wrong and they nail this, but I have low expectations.
I wish that I could straight out purchase them as stand alone digital purchases without having to subscribe to ps plus premium
I just want them to be able to play properly and without the excess load times that some of them were infamous for. Then maybe a filter system that helps them look decent on the larger flat screens that people may have now. Not to mention NOT having them locked behind a subscription service, for a reasonable price.
@freddquadros why would you want to buy them separate when you can pay one price to play them all ? it feels like you'd spend way more money buying them each.
I'm kinda surprised so many of you expect Trophies!
@twitchtvpat That depends. If there are only a select few titles you actually want, you can just pay for it once and have them to keep, instead of losing them if you do not wish to subscribe anymore.
I expect save states, fast forward and rewind, and custom borders alongside a few visual settings options. Most of the list.
I just don’t expect Trophies or online multiplayer. Maybe online multiplayer. But trophies I just don’t see Sony putting in the work.
@Blaze215
True, but many of us live busy lives. Being able to save anywhere at any time is a big deal for me.
All I wanted was to be able to play the 40+ classics I have already purchased. All I expect from Sony is the ability to rent a catalogue of games I already bought. Back compat is basic functionality not a 'premium' feature. Really disappointed that their solution is pay us again, but this time ad infintum!
@OrtadragoonX completely agree, I'm busy too. Of course I understand the appeal of it but a lot of fear of losing in these older games was having to repeat sequences and that will be ruined if save points become obsolete. It's definitely subjective though so I know where you're coming from
@Netbean no offense but you are wasting your time. this was never a feature they ever were going to offer. the fact they are giving this to us was still pretty unexpected imo. but these aren't the same versions of the games you bought with the classic games.
I'm not interested at all in retro gaming. At least not on new consoles. But cool for people that likes it.
@get2sammyb Me too. I’ll be very surprised if there are trophies. Kinda like multiplayer. I’d absolutely love it, but I feel like there’s no chance of that happening either. Even Xbox doesn’t have it with their backwards compatibility games. I’d kill to play some of those classic Rainbow 6, Splinter Cell and Ghost Recon games online on console again 😎
@Milktastrophe you don’t “need save stares to best a game”? Is that a joke? It’s not about “beating the game”, it’s about not leaving a game on pause 24/7 & not being able to play any other games or turn off the console lol
I only expect PS3 games to be downloadable. If not then I won't be upgrading my Plus. Streaming is cool but it's not what it's cracked up to be yet. For everything else retro my Vita is more than enough for me.
I just want to be able to play the games!
@JuggaloRazzam be real, we're talking about PS1 and PSP games, they have save functionality. And you can use rest mode instead of turning off the console.
Sony is extremely lazy when it comes to QOL features in it's services, just look at the ex - PS Now... Even now, so many years after launch, it lacks a proper games list, you have to rely on sites to find out what's on offer... It lacks game sorting options, making your own library, even the DLC's for the included games... You can't get more basic than this when it comes to what options should be included in their service, yet these are missing anyway.
Graphical filters, save states, trophies? Rewind? Are you kidding me? Phah... dream on!
I only want
Suikoden
Suikoden II
Suikoden III
Suikoden IV
Suikoden V
With trophies
@Shinnok789 Haha. Very good points.
It’d be nice to have trophies and save states, but, above all, the big dream is ui that is easy to use and shows us, simply, what is offered on the service. I’m expecting it to be a little bit Gamepass, a little bit NSO. That said, NSO has been my favorite of the subs since it was released (yeah, I’m insane, aren’t I?), and the main reason for that is the selection of games and the pricing. I use NSO much more than PSNow or Gamepass, simply because of the quality of the retro titles. I’m hoping we get some real quality PS1 and 2 games. I’ll have a lot of fun with that. Strange, how excited I am to dip back into 20+ year old games this summer…
I want purchaseable game options. That's all. If this is Nintendo Online style and the games are paywalled only, I'll ignore it entirely.
Upgraded resolution so they can be playable
Stability and what not.
This is Sony we're talking about. I love PlayStation, but I've learned to expect the bare minimum.
Sony genuinely don't give a sh*t about preserving their incredible legacy. They have been bullied into even considering any form of backwards compatibility. Jim stated that nobody wants to play older games because they look terrible, and now says that these games look amazing. For someone in charge of a major gaming business, it's shocking that he doesn't understand that graphics don't make a game fun.
I expect the same thing they did for PS1 Classics on PS3 & Vita: screen size adjustments, a basic visual filter option, and nothing else. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just carried over PS1 Classics with the exact same emulation. Basically, I expect them to invest the minimum amount of time and money possible. Sony has shown that they don’t care about their back catalog.
disc support
4k upscaling
60fps boost
none of those will happen
While I get some people are against the 50hz versions of older games being on services like this when it comes to many different languages the PAL versions are usually the only ones that offered that option so surely there should be an option for both and not exclude the non-English speakers from understanding certain games because the North American versions tended to rarely have option to change language. So an option to switch between regions would be perfect.
I also love the idea of official Trophy support for these games as there is something about being able to go back and play these games and having a new incentive.
@twitchtvpat because some people will want to play just a few. The full premium tier is almost R$ 500,00 here in Brazil. I just want to have options.
I want to see the games running as they did on original hardware with the addition of a resolution boost and an optional fps boost. I'd rather not see Trophies on emulated games.
I would like to see online multiplayer, even for games that are single player. For example on the Switch you can play single player NES and SNES games online with friends and there is an option to switch who currently has control of the game.
I only care to play Legend of Dragoon, Breath of Fire 4, Parasite Eve, Legend of Legia trophies added would be fun but i rather see these games Remastered or remade its that simple.
Where are the Tekken fans at?
Plus I wanna see Tekken 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, have online multiplayer
I also wanna see Bloody Roar 1, 2 and 3, have online multiplayer
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