It’s as natural as day turning to night: make a silly announcement and the memes will follow. Sony’s decision to price the PS5 Pro at a hair-raising $700/£700 has proven the perfect backdrop for a social media clown show, then – and boy are some of these memes amusing. For big corporations like PlayStation, there’s no such thing as bad news – but some of these gags may have Mark Cerny and crew wincing behind the sofa.
First, there’s the obvious jokes about how the system actually looks. Obviously, in appearance it’s practically identical to the PS5 Pro, save for a trio of speed stripes down the side. To be fair to Sony, this isn’t a bad thing – it means you can use existing detachable disc drive accessories or face plates, giving flexibility if you’re upgrading from the PS5 Slim. This meme is still funny, though:
Because it looks so familiar, some people who’ve balked at the asking fee have opted to customise their existing consoles to give themselves that supercharged format feeling – all it takes is a bit of tape and you can give it a go yourself:
Others pointed to the diminishing returns current-gen consoles are facing. Obviously, the PS5 Pro is capable of much higher resolutions and performance than the base model – but during the system’s presentation, Lead System Architect Mark Cerny had to zoom in on certain scenes to try and illustrate the difference. These may have left you squinting to say the least:
And some people may have been looking for those differences for a long time:
Those who could see the differences will have observed something very important, however: a toofpick changes everythang. As demonstrated below:
The Game Awards host Geoff Keighley attempted to add context to the PS5 Pro’s price by comparing it to inflation adjusted prices of previous PlayStation platforms. This led to all sorts of amusing responses, including a fake interview with IGN:
Spoof site Hard Drive even revealed that Sony was working on a Pro version of boots for “Keighley to lick”:
It’s all in good fun, of course, and regardless of your opinion of the PS5 Pro, hopefully you’ve derived some fun from the reactions to it. Personally, we’re a big fan of our very own @Zuljaras’ take on the whole situation. If you haven’t seen his meme yet, make sure you give it a like!
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There are some good ones out there. And fully deserved. It’s harmless.
But honestly if you watched Cernys presentation and couldn’t see the differences between the two then you need to go get your eyes tested.
And rightfully so.
It's a terrible deal.
I’m just turned off that I have to buy a disc drive on top of the system. It’s already expensive as is. I can afford the PS5 Pro but meh. At least give a discount for the attachable disc drive for people buying on PS Direct or something.
In my opinion, for a new system, an attachable disc drive shouldn’t be an accessory- it should be a requirement if that’s the only model of the system.
I can’t believe the reaction it’s verging on pathetic
They should have done 1tb at 600$. The added storage as a base storage is the most stupid decision sony has made this generation
The most important push square article
And I’m saying this with zero hints of sarcasm. These memes are hilarious
@PsBoxSwitchOwner Sure mate sure...we all need our eyes tested ...it's okay to just say you are a super fanboy
Jk I could see them 3 extra blades of grass aswell
These are Pro level
@StylesT genuinely you couldn’t see any differences in the side by side clips/pics in the video?
@PsBoxSwitchOwner when I saw the short clip of Aloy walking under the rocks on forbidden west it blew my mind. I’ve played H:FW twice and it just looked truly next gen on the Pro. 🤷♂️ the ray tracing is clearly turned up to 11. So for me it’s £700 on the Pro or however many 1000s on a giant PC I don’t want to own
I'm all for taking the piss out of it, but couldn't they find some, I don't know, funnier jokes? I feel like the internet has exhausted its meme game. Diminishing returns indeed.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner yes after they had to zoom in and enhance the images and even then the differences were minor. This isn’t stuff people are going to notice while playing games and only matter if you spend time analyzing every frame as your job working for Digital Foundry.
The entire Internet?!
Sony deserves to be crapped on for this and the memes will only continue, I'm all for it!
@PsBoxSwitchOwner yeah in defence the frame rates looked much better on the pro with ratchet etc.
Still not worth the billion dollars they’re asking though
Some people need a sense of humour or a less rose tinted outlook of the brand.
This article is so *****. Also showing tweets of some of the worst accounts on x. Lame.
I'll just wait 2 years when they announce the PS6 that features backwards compatibility and makes the PS5 Pro games even more Pro'er...ya know, just like the PS5 did for the PS4 Pro.
Another 20 articles to go on the PS5 Pro discourse.
The basic consumer is ignorant about technology. The graphics card alone costs like 500 quid, so its a great deal. Won't be able to get a pc on the same level as the ps5 pro for 700. Day 1 purchase for me. I can sell my og ps5 I've had since launch for 300
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@Pranwell Yes all us people can afford to own a house and a car etc etc....but we can't afford a ps5 pro....nothing to do with something called principles....but if you wanna pay £700 for minimal upgrades ..you do you..bless ya
@PsBoxSwitchOwner Is there a difference between the two? Yes.
Is there $200 worth of difference?
Hell no.
That last one gave me a good chuckle 😂
@AdamNovice Not to mention multiple articles on PureXbox and NintendoLife
@Pranwell Day one here. Already have my og PS5 disc version sold for $350 plus $150 for sealed official Spider-Man 2 plates.
@StylesT It's not £700 for me. It's $700. If you consider games going from 30fps to 60fps a minimal upgrade... don't know what to tell ya. Double frame rate with improved RT is worth the $250 cost over the base model PS5. A similar upgrade on a PC would cost more than $250 and an entire new PC with the same specs as PS5 Pro would cost more than $700.
The memes are funny. The console will still sell out in a few weeks. We all know it. The Price is just a bit ridiculous.
@get2sammyb thank you for the shoutout!!!
Its kinda funny, but in a way, all the no difference beef pretty much clowns the whole high end pc market at the same time as, aside from the very rare path tracing, the upgrades the pro offers are very much what the PC hardware market is.
@LifeGirl Double the framerate and improved RT is absolutely worth $200+ more than the original digital version PS5.
@Pranwell If you can afford a regular PS5 then you can afford this.
Saying that all of the haters of the Pro are poor is some seriously delusional cope.
@Almost_Ghostly I absolutely disagree. And let's be clear about this: they are claiming that it'll be double the frame rate. All you've seen so far are a few clips of OLD games being enhanced.
Funny how there are no new games being released alongside it 🤔
@Almost_Ghostly There are literally no guarantees about frame rates though....they feed the same pr everytime they release hardware....as for ray tracing...I think its a complete waste of resources most of the time...but they will probably push stuff like that at the expense of frames ..so it's just going to be the same old song and dance just slightly better than the base ps5
@LifeGirl Still plenty of time for announcements. Especially with a State of Play rumored to happen on the 24th.
They'll end up sweetening the deal somehow. The mockery will get them to rethink it.
@StylesT if you think ray tracing is pointless you know absolutely nothing about graphics. Ray tracing is what games have been missing all these years to make them look truly realistic 🤷♂️
@ButterySmooth30FPS something tells me they're going to attach something to it and we'll all be like, "Oh, wow, now I get it."
@LifeGirl @Dodoo I’ve stated elsewhere I’m not buying it. If it had the disc drive at that price I’d be on the fence.
But value/price are subjective to everyone. What some see in the value of one thing. Someone else doesn’t.
But when people start saying there is no difference etc I just feel like I watched a different video. And as usual many are jumping on it for those important things in life. Internet points.
@LifeGirl "If you can afford a regular PS5 then you can afford this.
Saying that all of the haters of the Pro are poor is some seriously delusional cope."
Yes, if we ignore all the people, including Sammy, who have said they're interested in it, but can't afford the Pro, then you're absolutely correct.
@Mikey856 Uh huh..I am not even going to bother debating it with you....Oh no Mikey on Push square who gets upset if others dont get hard for the ps5 pro...tells me i don't know anything about graphics....I will try to sleep tonight...but it will be difficult
P.s I didn't say it was pointless did I...I said it was a waste of resources alot of the time ..pay attention
@Pranwell if you want to waste your money on a subpar pc when you could throw in a little more and have a respectable starter pc, go for it. Joking about people strapped for cash and rightfully laughing at Sony's folly is kinda pond scum, tho.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner
I'll be honest, couldn't see **** captain.
For me its the same as seeing an OLED tv review by youtube, I can grasp what they are saying but for me to see any real difference I have to be there and test it myself.
All in all, I'm probably the target of PS5 Pro since my library is 100% digital, however I'll wait to see how it performs and maybe I'll get one once the next batch of first party titles arrive.
@8bitOG I think the issue isn't with people struggling financially, but with people struggling financially who nonetheless get angry that they can't afford something expensive.
It's like being angry at Toyota for giving you two options and you can only afford the first. Clearly the second isn't meant for you.
Personally, I can't justify the price of the pro, so I'll stick with the one I have. If I had more disposable income, I'd get it. And I totally appreciate that for some it's a matter of principle.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner To be fair, the bitrate on Youtube is so low that the difference in image quality was not particularly noticeable. Especially since they didn't even zoom all the way, but instead opted for relatively small images.
The difference in fluidity between 30fps and 60fps was very obvious, though.
Typical internet gut reaction that everyone doubles and triples down on. We should have all taken a few hours to mull over the situation and just looked at this objectively. Instead, everyone rushed to social media with prepared rage bait just so they could generate clicks. All these influencers will be the first in line to get one so they can make follow up videos called "I just bought the PS5 Pro So you don't have to" ridiculous. At least everyone stopped bashing Star Wars: Outlaws for a few hours.
@Zuljaras Haha, you're welcome!
@naruball And I do not believe them. If you can afford a $500 piece of kit, then you can save and buy an $800 piece of kit. That is the equivalent of five full-priced games and I bet that most of us here have five full-priced games.
Let's be honest what this really is all about: People are questioning the VALUE of $800, not the FEASIBILITY of $800. That little voice in the back of your head that whines when you open up your wallet only ever starts up when you are lukewarm over a purchase.
@Almost_Ghostly I'm not saying you won't enjoy your pro - I know if it were better priced and I wasn't switching to PC I probably would have too, but, just to prevent future disappointment, don't expect it to do 60fps across the board like you're expecting. It's not going to do that at all. That's whats so disappointing about it. It's not nearly the upgrade people wanted for way more money than they expected. 45% GPU bump, same anemic CPU. You're not getting 60fps in a lot of things....arguably most things. You're mostly getting slightly higher internal rendering resolutions upscaled and possibly more stable framerates wherever the were before, or 60fps modes will be somewhat more stable, or somewhat less blurry. It's not a massive upgrade. You are absolutely NOT going to double your framerate, Cerny's own numbers clearly state that. The double framerate claims are for older unlocked games that were hardware bottlenecked, and possibly framegen, as Wukong's 60fps mode has been using. You're looking for PS6, not PS5 Pro.
@Yozora146_ 3060 to 4070 is roughly double the performance for $500. This is 45% performance for 700. And the 4070 is overpriced to start with. When talking UPGRADES, this is definitely the worse value upgrade, for upgraders, than the PC GPU equivalent. One can say you can sell your PS5, but you can also sell your 3060. It's just poor value. For new buyers there's an argument to be made, but for upgraders? Very poor value compared to equivalent PC upgrades.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner Cery himself has said it's a 45% GPU bump. In normal performance context, where GPUs are compared by fps rendering the same scene, that means it can roughly render a scene that ran at 30fps at 44fps. Or can slightly increase the resolution on a scene running at the same fps as before. While they are improvements were not talking about significant improvements here. It's an underwhelming upgrade for an overwhelming sticker price. I think people are expecting way too much from it. It's not an inconsequential difference, bot it's such a modest improvement that one would not expect to spend nearly double the all-digital launch price to get it.
@NEStalgia the sticker price is what it is. It’s either worth it to someone or it isn’t. Whether the upgrade is enough to justify is moot.
My main point was you could see differences in the video and people saying they couldn’t are simply being disingenuous.
@NEStalgia The majority of games already confirmed to have Pro updates are in my backlog. Those alone give plenty of time for many more to get updates. Plus many games released after PS5 Pro release will have Pro compatibility. The Game Boost mode it has is also compatible with 8000+ PS4 titles... of which I also have quite a large backlog. Yes, please.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner
A dbnch of myopic Mr. Magoos.
@HeeHo
…A dual* sense of humor.
Today I started to invest in the PS5Pro, I ordered the vertical stand from Amazon, they gave me 5% off, I could not resist. It saved me 1,37€, which I will save towards the 918,99€ for what will represent the full, self assembled complete PS5Pro.
Consider me HYPED!
@naruball Toyota vehicles are expensive, but they'll almost always get you 200,000+ miles of those engines. So they're worth the money. I'm saying that the PS5 Pro is not worth the money. That's like buying a Ford Ranger for the price of a Toyota Tundra (radio not included). Also, I don't know if you read the message I was responding to but that message was more for him
@Mikey856 I’d rather pay for pc where I can choose my frame rate. £700 for some games to be 30fps doesn’t sound that great to me.
A 1tb solid state drive is at least 100 bucks. So thats $100 for 45% increase in power. Its not 700 bucks for barely noticeable improvement. Jeepers people the hyperbole is getting out of control in this one.
Isn't the whole point that the PS5 Pro looks like PS5 games in fidelity mode, but you ALSO get the performance of performance mode? Mark Cerny said as much. Comparing screenshots, even those from a compressed video, shouldn't yield much of a difference when comparing fidelity mode on PS5. How games run will be the difference and you can't see that in screenshots. People sure can be clowns.
Let’s see if games will run at 60fps. Down the line if developers don’t make an effort, this Pro will be useless.
@MikeOrator
Right. People going nuts over the price and downplaying the differences strike me as the sort of people who dont't do their research. Sad.
I’m not going to get a pro but I really wish people could handle the concept of a premium product targeted at a niche audience and not crap their brains in rage.
For anyone interested in the Pro (e.g. @MikeOrator) or more technically-minded (e.g. @NEStalgia), I hope the following video will be of interest to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZgo_BmzgaI
@PsBoxSwitchOwner They literally had to zoom in the image. 😂
@NEStalgia My comment wasn't really about value it was just about how the "improvements" the pro introduces are just what generally differs the price points between components for pc hardware.
As for value my honest opinion is that until I see actual analysed footage of pro enabled games (console in hand of say DF) throwing numbers is theoretical. Example for me is how MH wilds will work with pro and what difference it will make versus base ps5 and equivalent PC builds. I also want to see what VR improvements it brings.
I'm largely trying avoid bias these days, noticed people are using this news to either sell people crap, or to justify their own purchases. No disrespect to anyone but I want a collection of data from reliable sources before I pass any judgment on the PRO.
At first I wasn’t gonna get this. But then I remember how easy it was to tell my PS4 after I bought a PS4 Pro.
Um...
I know PS5 Pro price was ridiculous expensive added without disc drive by default, but...shaming PS5 Pro like that was a little bit too much.
@CWill97 Don't have to do anything?You half to pay $700 for a console that's going relevant for a year or two before ps6 comes out. The orignal ps5 will be my last console . Console's and online subs have be came money grab. Pc is were I'll keep doing my gaming for the future. Use to be the other way around but it's gone crazy.
PS5 community: Can't wait to see extra blades of grass 🌱
PS5 Pro community: Can't wait to see more strands of hair👌
Pushsquarians: Can't touch them grasses and losing hair over every kerfuffle 🤨
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@NEStalgia
Oh, I want to add.
Not every PS4 games get 60 fps support and they will stay on 30 fps even you played them on PS5 machins.
I have tested from some of my PS4 games collection.
The PS4 games I found was still 30 fps even being played on PS5 machine such as Bomber Crew, Spyro Reignited, Race with Ryan (🤣 cannot get boosted to 60 fps lol), The Alliance Alive, etc.
This one is very simple but made laugh hard:
https://x.com/fightstickart/status/1833936486942867936
I'm going to get one btw and if the comments are real and people don't buy it then it will be cheaper than expected and will double down the decision of getting it.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner I do understand your point but when we've entered into a discussion if a product not on if it represents appropriate value but if people can be convinced up justify an objectively poor value we've jumped into talking about precious metals and gemstones instead of a usable product. It goes back to being a luxury status symbol more than actually paying the price of a tech product. Yeah people can justify $1000 sneakers for status just like this. doesn't mean they're not still $20 sneakers and people are deluding themselves for a sense of status.
@Almost_Ghostly Fair enough. But don't expect pro compatibility to mean 60fps. You will be very disappointed if you do.
@Anti-Matter Yeah some games are just coded to run at 30 and that's that, a hardware boost can't help those at all other than what Xbox tried with FPS Boost.... But they only did that for a handful of games where it worked 😕
I knew Push Square writers had it in them, the discussion around PS5 Pro in the previous article read as borderline sane so something like this is good to whip the crowd into frenzy again.
I can't see this being worth it. But maybe I'm playing my games wrong because some of these "upgrades" seem like something I won't notice. That is unless someone with a Pro is sitting next to me on an 8k TV and we're both playing the same game and we pause it to inspect the grass every now and then.
All these promises remind me of the original promise of the PS5:
"There will be no load times."
These things never perform as they say they will. Definitely skipping this one. If you have the money and want to splurge, then go for it. If not, then just get the normal model.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner I hope you enjoy it. The foliage detail will look great. I hope it makes you happy.
So the PS5 Pro is very divisive; and the responses seem to fit two basic modes: (1) it's offensively expensive and Sony are crazy; and (2) I can afford to buy the best, and all the poor people can just suck it. If we're being objective; you get an axtra1.2ish TB of internal storage (which is not essential), and the "opportunity" to improve frame-rates... and the expense of an addition USD200 and the loss of a drive (which is essential to play owned physical media).
It's impossible to know the real value however at the moment, because (a) the technical details are so 'poorly articulated' (even though there's plenty of leaks); (b) the 'game boost' is so vaguely described and might be very inconsequential; (c) it's unknown if you can access the raw GPU power AND additional RT AND upscaling all simultaneously, or whether this is a zero sum game; (d) the game can't do anything with a capped framerate game other than stabilize it; (e) a CPU capped game will likely not have framerates improved; (f) it's impossible to know at this stage whether developers will retro-fit enhanced modes (or to what extent they will); it's impossible to know how much third party devs will support additional features in the end, or how much it will be used to just paste over non-optimisation gaps.
If the pro can reliably make most of your existing uncapped games (that aren't capped at 30FPS) run at a smooth 60 at fidelity settings; or is able to keep resolutions high without dynamic dips (vaseline lens style) then it might be worth it; and provide substantially improved visuals for games moving forward. If you have the spare money to spend on something unnecessary. That's a value decision that only individuals can make; and if Sony sells Boxes A and B, and someone wants to pay $300 more for box B+drive then that's totally fine.
I think the real question however - is not really about whether it's too expensive; or whether it's still good value... it's whether this was a business strategy that makes sense for Sony. For the PS4 Pro it did, because Sony didn't have a 4K viable box, and the competition did; in this case, it feels very questionable to me because there's no new consumer-facing feature obvious in the PS5Pro. Saying more money = better performance is obvious (but it's also a PC argument; and will lead to people inevitably realising that paying for performance is better in the PC world). Should Sony have spent the R&D money on something that (IMO) only 5% of people will take up; but create a two tiered performance split? For me personally, until they reveal more (and let people do actual real world tests) I don't think it's worth it from a gaming perspective, or from a corporate perspective (especially when the AUD price with drive is converted to USD914; and I know that in other parts it's even worse). We'll see more once it hits reviewers/analysts and we get to see real performance benefits.
And if you read down this far - well done... but remember, the concept of console gaming was always about trying to have a good value gaming experience. I don't personally want the mobile phone mentality to sneak into consoles. That's how we get new consoles coming out every year for that 5-10% additional boost.
@Lexluther23 what are you on about? Nothing of what you wrote correlated to what I wrote.
Bad faith engagement with outrage artists. For shame pushsquare.
Can’t wait to play the remaster of the remake of the remaster of The Last of Us.
@LifeGirl you forgot the extra cost for the disc drive
@Lastochka
100%
This is rightfully deserved because if you watch the video is a big difference between watching a game and playing a game. When you're watching the game and these videos you can pay attention to whatever you want.
For example look at the ratchet & clank showed where you can see the things in the background look sharper. That's fine if you're just standing around doing nothing in the game but if you're actually playing you're not going to notice this.
That's one thing I noticed long ago when it comes to video games that you first start playing and you stop and you move around go wow this is gorgeous and amazing. But once you really start playing you don't notice those little details you just get the overall feeling of this is beautiful not look at the sharpness of the leaves in the background.
I actually quite enjoy Geoff K, but the boot licking meme is pretty spot on… got to love him
People and their expectations...
@NEStalgia There is however the possibility that they could push the CPU a bit harder with beefier cooling. This remains to be seen.
But yeah you are right, any game that don't have a 60 fps performance mode and that is already CPU limited at 30FPS will likely not be pushed to 60. (I doubt there's a lot of games that are CPU bottlenecked on the PS5)
However any game that has a 60fps performance mode can likely be visually improved a lot.
And by a lot I mean a LOT actually.
So take Final Fantasy VII Rebirth's performance mode as a start, Silky smooth 60FPS, but poor resolution and scaling.
So here they could push the internal resolution a bit with a more powerful GPU, All the way up to 4k? well maybe not.. and they don't need to, they have PSSR which they can apply for the last bit percieved resolution.
This could look very close to native 4k60fps on a TV in your living room.
But they don't need to stop there, if they have CPU headroom (Which they likely have, given that this game don't have a lot of physics simulations and thousands of NPC doing battle and stuff like that), then they could possibly enable raytracing in some capacity as well.
Now, it's down to the developers how much time they wan't to spend tuning the games to PS5 Pro, some devs are probably not going to do the best job at optimizing and enhancing their games.
But hey it's entirely possible that when the devs are working on PS5 Pro patches they realize that perhaps some games that don't currently have VRR support could benefit from it and even on the base PS5, perhaps they even find new ways to improve performance on the base PS5 while they are digging around in the code.
These are things I also would get excited for.
Shouldn't that heading read "PS5 Pro is being clowned on by the whole Internet". I don't know maybe it's me being an older gamer from a different generation where correct grammar mattered.
A year ago someone had a video comparing the Series S, Series X ps5 and PC running Star Wars Jedi Survivor. They all looked reasonably close with a slight dip for the Series S.
@StylesT blah blah blah all I’m hearing is bllcks frankly. Why are you lot even on this site all you do is hate it’s tragic 🤦♂️ have you got nothing better to do
@Northern_munkey You’re absolutely correct in your way of thinking but this could be just a simple case of synonymous terminology as opposed to grammar. “Crowned” is correct. But “Clowned” on the other hand incidentally happens to be newer and I believe that’s it. Hope that helps. 👍
I like the memes, well deserved too but I'm still getting one for myself xD
@NoHope You're using the evil € symbol, you'll probably get banned by push square.
It's amusing how the usual diehards are still trying to say this is a 60fps quality mode machine and defend it to the end of the earth, despite some of the trailers in the reveal show being in 30fps with drops. It's disingenuous.
Should have called it the PlayStation 5: Lead balloon edition.
People saying they will get the pro day one forgetting that scalpers exist and Sony's minimal supply at launch will be outweighed by demand. The console will sell out be because they are not allocating many per country at all (especially outside the US).
@PsBoxSwitchOwner I agree there were differences between the two images… when they slowed it down and zoomed in. But I don’t think they did a very good job of demonstrating it. This is going to be subjective but it didn’t look like “enough” of a difference to fork out £700 to me let alone £825 with disc and stand. It looked incremental and pretty superficial to me, not a leap like PS4 Pro.
BUT I think it will start to look better when we see other comparisons, when we see what PSSR can really do and when we see the difference in newer games or any that struggle on standard PS5. There’s more to come. But first showing was poor imho.
Many naysayers are still going to purchase.
While don’t know if worth it for myself while ‘still’ using a LG C1.
(in addition, I am not paying any scalper for a unit)
@themightyant I agree the value is in the eye of the beholder. But I just find there is massive over reaction to a price tag.
If it’s not deemed ‘good’ value then it can simply be ignored
@PsBoxSwitchOwner I agree. Though I think some of the pushback is because many people EXPECTED to buy a PS5 Pro, just as they bought a PS4 Pro, but have found themselves priced out, which never feels nice. Expectations are important, and though Sony never mentioned PS5 Pro before they needed to somehow set them better ahead of time.
But then you add the internet’s toxic ability to dogpile on anything and it’s a recipe for the OTT reaction we have seen. I also think IF they had showed it off better then we wouldn’t have had quite as bad a knee jerk response. Sony needs to learn from this.
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare
I did read down to the end, as you were making a lot of sense.
The problem is that the presentation itself was very poor indeed.
For the target market, which would include myself, it was far too short and didnt give me anywhere near the level of info i wanted.
Now im no super tech expert, but i do understand the basics, and they didnt cover most of them, and certainly didnt try to explain anything - eg i know what an upscaler is, but why is PSSR so good (other than having a hardware component).
They didnt even cover the 2TB SSD!
Mark Cerny was wasted as he could have done 30mins easy on this, not 9mins.
The only really interesting part of it was that 3/4 choose performance, and his polite but pretty firm nudging of devs.
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare
I probably will buy the Pro because i dread to think of what base PS5 games are going to be subjected to in terms of performance and optimisation, as soon as Pro has been out a while - its already getting bad now!
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I cannot believe they aren’t selling it for the same price as the base ps5
@NEStalgia Sure, Xbox only 130 or so titles that used fps boost. Sony says their game boost mode will support 8000+ titles.
@StylesT any more words? Let people enjoy what they want without vitriol and hate
@Mikey856 Guessing the irony is lost on you ...as you have on more than one occasion replied to my comments first ...not letting me have my opinion without being passive aggressive....aka anyone who doesnt agree this is a good upgrade is wrong etc ...
So leave me be and I will leave you be trying to convince yourself that the pro is night and day difference lmfao
@Northern_munkey "Being crowned on" doesn't make any sense, though. Unless it's placed in a very specific format of "Charles is being crowned on Tuesday". But "it is being crowned on BY" something is gibberish. Being "clowned on" just means people are taking the piss out of it. For a grammatically similar but more harsh version, it's like "being sh*t on by the entire internet".
I mean, surely you know this already , but "clowned" is the past participle of the verb version of "clown", which means to act foolishly - but there's the more modern meaning of it, as used above, where it's being done in a mocking way, like clowns often do (e.g. when they make fun of the king, like in King Lear or the Northman). Yeah it's zoomer slang but it makes sense.
Though everyone is calmmering about the price of a premium electronics gadget being too high without stopping to think about why, beyond the repetitve greed argument.
It looks like it's not really stopping people from looking like they are going to buy it, if the sudden unavailability of the external blu-ray drive is anything to go by.
That thing is out of stock everywhere all of a sudden.
Is it just me or are these memes spectacularly -not- hilarious? Absolutely sick and tired of all these gratuitous whinge fests and semi-pro moaning minnies by now. If you can't afford the price, then don't buy it. It's really that simple. If Sony had priced these units any lower the scalpers would have snagged the entire supply and sold them for that much or more, and that very well may happen anyway.
@Fartingale Me too. Unfortunately, as we can see, legions of commenters feed off these flamebait articles and any negatively perceived narrative is valuable currency for them.
@Matroska where the header starts "ps5 pro's been" is the bit I'm drawing attention to. Surely it should read "is being."
For those who didn’t see the difference, I realized Cerny’s presentation was being streamed in 1080p by other channels such as GameSpot. You had to go to Sony’s official stream to see it in actual 4K.
@Matroska ahhh I had a typo...my bad..
@StylesT why are you still replying bro. You’re boring now. Jog on end of
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Would I ever buy a $200 version of a game that has a plastic statue with it? No - but some people do and that’s fine. Same goes for this - if you don’t like it don’t buy it and send a message to PlayStation that way - if you want one buy it and move on.
Those of you arguing online about this thing - take a step back and realize you are arguing and hurling insults over a freaking PlayStation…this life is short and getting angry over someone else’s opinion on a video game console is not worth it.
Remember guys we live in a world where people buy Cadillacs which are basically Chevys under the hood for a ton more money.
PlayStation is putting this out there because they can and it’ll sell fine. They don’t expect this to sell like crazy so they have to charge more for a premium product.
Deserved with no disc drive and no vertical stand.
For me, it's not about the price point, it's about feeling gouged by a company that I have supported for decades. Those stands cost peanuts to produce and removing them from the package is indefensible. Not including the disc drive is another decision motivated by the desire to milk as much $$$ out of us as they can. For that, Sony can go to hell.
WELL DESERVED
@StylesT what the he’ll are you on about now you utter weapon get lost fgs
This is Sony in a nutshell 🤣🤣
https://youtu.be/8AyVh1_vWYQ?feature=shared
Yeah he's defo not the brightest fella
@Almost_Ghostly What will truly push the sales of this pro and convinced skeptical consumers is how GTA6 runs on it... So wait for digital foundry to publish a video on how GTA6 runs on a Pro and then the majority of us will know if its worth the extra money or not.
In commentary the term 'diminishing returns' really hits the nail in the head here.
This is not a needed upgrade - seems like a lot of people would buy it anyway if they had gotten the price right. Or this is just trendy to make fun of which then will be less of a threat to Sony than people might think as they ridicule and draw clicks.
To be somewhat fair, the difference is seeing the games in motion and not in still screenshots. 60 - 120 fps in fidelity mode is a nice boost. That said, it's still a lot of money.
@EfYI For me it wasn't even the $700, it was the profiteering off the disc drive and vertical stand.
They should be getting more grief for the vertical stand being omitted and pretending it is a cost saving measure. I would be shocked if that costs them more than a dollar or two each to manufacture and they are pretending like it's worth $30. They couldn't make it more clear that they are just trying to rip people off.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner I cant see an individual blade of grass 1 km away - do i need my eyes tested? Because thats just as useful as the difference between both consoles
You guys going on about how it's a great value because every game will be 60fps, you DO realize that there is no guarantee of 60fps on every game, right? Those are your EXPECTATIONS, not the reality. I mean the OG PS5 box says "8K" on it and we all know how laughable that is.
@Almost_Ghostly Yeah, really, if you have enough past experience with Sony marketing (or MS marketing) I wouldn't listen too seriously to the marketing claims. They said "Up to" 8000+ games. They didn't say there's 8000 games, they said "Up to" meaning "if 8000 devs patch their games this would happen!"
What Xbox's FPS boost was about was writing custom patches, like mods, for specific games, to get that game running 60fps or circumventing the 30fps cap built into the game. They only got a handful of games running because many simply didn't work correctly (a lot of older games had important things like inputs, audio queues, event scripts) timed to the fps, and if you boost the fps it breaks core game functionality.) Some games mostly worked but had a game breaking bug somewhere in the game because of it, so they cancelled it. And some publishers refused to allow them to mod their game for fps boost because they wanted the option to sell 60fps in a "remaster" at full price later on.
Unlike MS that was modding the games to run at 60fps, Sony isn't doing that. They're just boosting the clocks so a game that already wants to use it can use it. They may also be enabling framegen, like Wuokong does on PS5, so that "30fps" is now "60fps". I.E. the game isn't really running 60fps, there's just an inserted frame between every frame with reconstructed AI images of what should be there (probably.) But it doesn't double input response like real 60fps etc.
AMD's frame gen is explicitly meant for making 60 into 120 and not meant for making 30 into 60. Nvidia's is a bit more robust. Maybe PSSR's is also more robust, but "framegen" isn't "60fps." It just looks more smooth than without.
Again, not trying to tell you to NOT get a Pro, or that you won't enjoy it, you probably will, but just a caution to not overestimate what it can do and end up disappointed. Many games will run or look better, but not necessarily to the degree you're expecting. You're definitely expecting a PS6 but will get a 5 Pro.
@Oprahs_cellulite So people are going to just ignore every other game that features Pro enhancements and make their decision based on GTA VI? LOL! Just. No. I personally can't stand the GTA series and am purchasing a Pro for my backlog of titles, many already confirmed to have Pro support, along with the 8000+ titles said to be compatible with the Game Boost mode for games that don't specifically have official Pro support. I assume most making the purchase are similar to myself, and not using GTA VI as their sole motivation for purchase.
@NEStalgia You really don't know what you're talking about in all of that. You really don't. I'll agree to disagree because we're not changing each others mind. I'm 53 and have owned every generation of Sony, Xbox, and Nintendo consoles, so don't need any education on marketing terms. Remember when Sony said 4000+ games available on PS4 are playable on PS5? That was an accurate statement and I feel you're spinning their "up to 8000" to what YOU are wanting it to mean. Anyway... nothing left to say about it.
@Almost_Ghostly That's fine, you can believe whatever you'd like, was just a friendly caution to not get too hyped over things you may not get. Remember that "PS5 Pro Game Boost" is just the PS5 Pro version of "PS5 Game Boost" you already have. I'll just leave you with Sony's own words:
"PS5 Pro Game Boost, which can apply to more than 8,500 backward compatible PS4 games playable on PS5 Pro. This feature may stabilize or improve the performance of supported PS4 and PS5 games. Enhanced Image Quality for PS4 games is also available to improve the resolution on select PS4 games."
My favourite is Geoff Keighley's meme because he always plays that role, licking Sony's boots at every video games ceremony. It's also funny because before knowing what he said, we were joking about that kind of thing, @NEStalgia. We are lucky not to pay 6,000 for the console and 2,400 for each game.
@Banjo- People always talk about Keighley as a Sony shill. Personally I don't see it, I see him as a walking, talking version of Square-Enix. He'll shill for anyone who will pay him, pet him, or give him a pat on the back.
And like Square-Enix under Masuda, before recently, Sony knows he'll eat out of the palm of their hand, so they're the one who pets him.
@NEStalgia So former Square Enix's incarnation and loyal Sony's pet. 😜
@Banjo- Pretty much. Wonder if we can buy Keighley NFTs?
@Rich33 I understand that sentiment - and it worries me that having the PS5Pro takes pressure off devs to actually optimize. I think however, giving in and signalling to Sony (and MS) that they can just create the FOMO culture is going to end badly for what used to be an affordable hobby for all people. Sigh.
@Rich33 to be honest, I think for me personally I was more miffed at how poor the presentation was, and how insulting it was to call this a "technical presentation". I mean, they can and should do a high-level pitch-reel (but even then, this did such a poor job of selling it IMO); but they missed the opportunity to give the "enthusiasts" a real look at the tech...which I think was a mistake to dumb down things for what is going to be a very niche product.
I suspect the problem is, once you scratch below the "no more modes" pitch, and actually think about how it will work in reality, it gets complicated. My guess is there will end up being more modes (Performance 120FPS (PSSR+); Performance 40K60FPS (PSSRlite); Fidelity (60FPS+RTGI); Fidelity+ (30FPS; ALL RayTrace/PathTrace) etc; ie more like PC. Though it will ultimately depend on whether devs want to do anything more than the easiest option; so enhancements might be really limited.
edit - and yes, the 75% preferring performance mode was really interesting... but my impression on that is that for 75% of people, the graphics of a PS5Pro aren't that interesting... so at best they are targeting the 25% (it might only be 5-10% that actually really care enough to pay 700USD for both... sort of... kind of... if the devs support it.... and it's not CPU bound etc.
And thanks for the effort to read to the bottom - again.
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare
To be fair I sometimes get quite envious of PC where instead of modes you get various options to set to your own tastes - mine would be framerate, then decent res/picture quality, then everything else.
Sure, have a couple of preset modes for those who cant be bothered, or cant actually see framerates, and allow custom settings for the rest of us - which is probably a lot of those who would be interested in pro.
Totally get your point about dev optimisation / Pro availability and sales enabling poorer base versions - if i was in charge at Sony i would ban all advertising footage captured in modes that do not maintain 60fps 99% of the time... (or just outright ban less than 60fps entirely) - we would very quickly find out that devs CAN make really good looking performance modes if thats all they could advertise. Lol.
Yep - I'm always framerate first myself (assuming it's not a broken mode that can happen)... the truth is that for most games, once you've decided which way you want to play, you just accept it and don't think about it again.
@InfidelFrigidstraigh I agree wholeheartedly.
In response to people who say if you can afford a £500 console then you can afford a £700 console. Maybe it hadn't crossed your mind that people realise what value is and when a company is taking the p***
If you think a minimal upgrade over the base model with the disc drive taken away and charging £200 more offers great value then knock your socks off
Imo it's over priced for what it offers. The base price should have dropped and pro could have had slight increase over the base and included a disc drive
@Leeg What would you consider a good social media account? It's supposed to be lame.
So many people here trying to justify their purchase and suck up to Sony by saying the Pro is worth it.
"Oh but you couldn't build a PC for that price."
A PC would also have the enormous Steam library though.
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