This week it was reported that Sony would produce a further one million PlayStation 4 consoles through 2022, and the Internet lost its mind. This agenda was partly pushed by an increasingly irritating media, with some of the headlines including Expect More Cross-Gen Games As Sony Orders 1 Million PS4s. There aren’t enough eye-rolling emojis in the world to attribute to that title.
The story has been wielded by zealous fanboys on social media as further evidence of a PlayStation screw-up, helmed by Jim Ryan, public enemy number one and PlayStation president. It’s not been helped by sudden reports coming out of Microsoft that suggest it quietly shot-gunned the Xbox One family late last year. “See, they’re doing it right,” Twitter might lead you to believe.
Here’s the thing: Sony has proudly celebrated the ten year lifecycle of its systems since PlayStation’s inception, so it’s bizarre to be surprised by it now. Furthermore, the production of just one million PS4 consoles represents an enormous drop-off for the device – it’s clear that the console is in its twilight years now, perhaps a little sooner than even we’d expected.
There’s no way Sony is sacrificing key PS5 production chains to make PS4 consoles: this is not an either/or situation. These systems are being made because the Japanese giant still believes there’s demand for a lower-priced PlayStation, presumably in regions like India and the Middle East, where expensive games consoles are less established than they are in Europe and North America.
Unlike the aforementioned headline would lead you to believe, it also says nothing about the state of Sony’s cross-gen strategy in the slightest. Yes, some fans have been disappointed that titles like Horizon Forbidden West – which, for the record, started development five years ago, initially as a PS4 game – are being “held back” by last-gen hardware, but manufacturing an additional one million PS4 consoles will have zero impact on that.
Ultimately, Sony will be hoping to flog a few more units of its wildly popular 2013 console before it phases it out entirely, because it still has subscriptions like PS Plus to sell and an enormous library of games on the PS Store. And that’s fine: many fans are still playing on the PS4, and, like it or not, it will remain a supported system by most publishers for the foreseeable future.
It’s clear that PlayStation would have preferred a faster transition to the PS5 and has been bitten by the pandemic, but you can apply this exact same sentiment to practically all electronics manufacturers at the moment – this isn’t a problem that Sony is facing alone. Under the circumstances, the PS5 has largely kept pace with the PS4, despite being out of stock for over a year now.
So, the generation is going just about as well as PlayStation could reasonably expect under unprecedented global conditions. An extra one million PS4 consoles will not make any difference at all to the PS5, and this isn’t the boneheaded move it’s being painted as. It’s time for the Internet to stop overreacting, take a step back, and use the air between its ears for once.
Are you miffed by Sony’s continued commitment to PS4, or is this par for the course during generation transitions? Do you believe manufacturing an additional one million PS4 consoles is a mistake? Don’t overreact in the comments section below.
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Pity they dont celebrate the ps3 online as much, shutting servers for nearly all games with online trophies yet xbox version is still live and kicking even now.
Agreed. Well said.
I did notice that Microsoft did an "Old Yeller" to the X1. Interesting that Sony and Microsoft flipped their positions since the XSeX and PS5 were announced. We've seen Microsoft kill off their previous gen systems quickly in the past though.
As I put under the other article on this, it's likely Sony is maximising whatever remaining supply chains for PS4 they have rather than make new ones or transition them to PS5, because that's just going to be wasted with how supply is right now.
I imagine the decision to do so was largely pandemic based. I have no doubt based on previous comments that the PS4 would maybe do 500k for those smaller markets by now.
But it also can't be understated that it remains likely that some of these cross gen games weren't meant to be. Especially with how it's been handled.
You mean to tell me Sony didn't want a clean break to $70 for these games entirely? Stuff like Miles Morales and maybe Horizon, yeah it makes sense. But just because a game started development on one system doesn't mean it launches there.
I reckon God of War and Gran Turismo were late "keep the PS4 versions" as retail releases instead of just the bulk of development because of the pandemic.
In that regard it's smart. It's a buffer financially and keeps smaller markets happy, and also means more games can sell.
But all the prior indications were that wouldn't be the case, but clearly they had to change that very fast, as that was wise.
They should have just been more clear about it. We'll get there in the end.
I honestly expected them to manufacture far more than just 1 million PS4s this year. Rather than taking that as negative news, I take it as a positive, since I figured they'd be leaning far more heavily on their last-gen system still.
One million consoles worldwide for the entirety of a year is basically peanuts. If the figure is accurate, it clearly points towards a focus on PS5, not the other way around.
I seriously don't understand why some are miffed that Sony are continuing to make PS4's. Not everyone can afford a PS5, there's not enough around and believe it or not, theres still plenty of PS4 releases on the horizon.
As said above 1 million is not a lot and personally i'd be expecting PS4's to be manufactured till the tail end of 2023 to be perfectly honest.
Its the same set of mouth breathers that moan about old PS4 games going to PC.
Cretins with nothing to do but get angry on the internet.
Talking common sense there @get2sammyb.
I'll have you know this is the internet and that is not allowed, bring out the banhammer!
Par for the course as far as i'm concerned. Sony cannot ignore an install base of 110 million. If they could move everyone to PS5, they would. But we are in the situation we are in with the pandemic. With supply chain and manufacturing issues, it makes complete sense for Sony to manufacture more - particularly for those markets with a particularly large long tail (such as in South America). Sony won't make more PS4's at the cost of manufacturing PS5's, and they can obviously see where the demand is.
I notice Microsoft decided to choose today to announce they had ceased Xbox One production to focus on Series S/X production. Not a coincidence, and i hope this tit for tat between the companies ends. There is enough of that on twitter. Phil Spencer claims he hates fanboyism, and that the console wars will force him out of the industry. Well stop fuelling them through press statements!
@lolwhatno eh? EG is mostly the older crowd... like me. I like it there. I also like it here and on PX. Variety. Spice. Life.
But who said i'm not toxic?
Kind of odd that every story I read on major gaming sites didn’t frame it the way this article implied. The Gamer linked article is the first one I’ve seen. So was surprised to even read this as an issue.
well of course they're making more PS4 units. people still buy them, but i figure the scalping BS with the PS5 and people not being able to get a PS5 is what is still driving ps4 (pro) sales.
retailers on AND offline could remedy the scalping problem easily.. they just dont want to. but with a failing economy, many cant afford a PS5 now even if the things were actually on store shelves, today. but this also leaves the idiot scalpers sitting in their mommys basements with stacks of PS5 units they arent selling any where near as fast as a year ago.
maybe people think, well, if sony is still making ps4... this will hold them back from making/promoting ps5-only games and games that span both consoles will hold the ps5 versions back. which HAS been the case in the past. sony needs to simply allow devs who want to only make ps4 games, to make them, and allow devs who only want to make ps5 games to make them.
keep in mind over 100 million ppl still have and use PS4. i also still contend that the ps4 pro, which about 2x more powerful than the standard ps4, never really got any "ps4 pro only" games and thusly we didnt see any really graphically amazing titles on the pro and we could have if devs were allowed to make ps4 pro-only titles. it was held back by the standard ps4. sure, spiderman looked good, and a handful of others, but i mean a little bit beyond that.
I've seen some incredibly stupid takes about this. Them making 1 million more PS4s for the entire world is basically the same as them not making anymore period. They use to sell 1 million in the US alone during Black Friday week. People need to learn a thing or too and chill the hell out.
I don't think people understand all this means is that last-gen titles will be getting diminished ports. This isn't holding ANYTHING back. It's a (sane) reaction to an unprecedented global ***** storm of circumstances NO ONE could have seen coming.
To help keep things profitable and keep people employed (SO THEY CAN KEEP MAKING GAMES WE LOVE), they need to now create scaled back experiences good enough to staunch the bleeding of not being able to sell copies on the hardware they wish we all had in-home.
Not to mention, IT'S NOT EVEN UNHEARD OF IN THE INDUSTRY!! Does NO ONE remember what kind of experience Shadow of Mordor was on 360 and PS3?! The majority of resources are going to the PS5 editions of these titles, with additional resources scaling things back to be playable on PS4. Mark my words.
I clicked on this article assuming people were annoyed that Sony hadn't planned to go the full 10 years with the PS4.
There's no way Sony have compromised PS5 production for the PS4.
I made the mistake of going to IGN and reading the comments on this; talk about toxic.
I'm not at all angry or worried by this move by Sony but more just apathetic.
i mean yeah it makes total sense the demand for the ps5 cannot be met if they continue to burn resources on the ps4 so shortening the manufacturing numbers for it is great and even greater for people who havent gotten there hands on ps5
@lolwhatno Damn that was a good catch! 😂
Me before I could get my hands on a PS5: "Of course they should continue to support the PS4"
Me now I've got a PS5: "This is unacceptable"
If the Spartacus announcement introduces old gen emulation to PS4 that's gonna be awesome.
It’s normal isn’t it? Didn’t they only stop making PS2’s in like 2012 or something?
I was a PS5 naysayer for a while but now that I have one, it feels strange going back to the PS4.
I do hope there are some PS5 exclusive games in the pipeline but it doesn’t bother me that they’re making more PS4’s 🤷
@jFug I used to read IGN religiously years ago but it turned into such a cesspit. I stopped visiting and never looked back.
Plus, they gave Alien Isolation 5.9/10. Unforgivable 😂
I consider myself lucky not having a next-gen console.
Haters:
"Stop supporting PS4!"
"Why you putting our games on pc?!"
"Why are you making your award winning games cost £10 more?!?"
"Why you not putting you new releases pretty much free to download?!"
Sony. Keep doing what your doing. Make awesome games. Make playstation studios a tour-de-force. Adapt to the conditions of the market as you see fit. Don't listen to people who are forever planning to do specific things then change their mind when new data arises.
@lolwhatno Literary genius!
@Gremio108 Haha, ain't that the truth!
@lolwhatno I just think it's an awesome coincidence that you remembered that specific quote and then applied it perfectly to the situation.
It's a silly thing to get worked up about, same as PS games going to PC. It isn't the end of playstation folks calm down.
I'm loving my PS5. I can play PS5 games, PS4 games, PSVR games and soon PSVR2 games. But the reality is Sony can't make enough of them and people are still snapping up PS4's so why not?
I don't care in the slightest that they are still supporting PS4 at least a little bit. The only reason I picked up a PS5 is because the opportunity presented itself and I had saved up enough money anyway to get one. I'm still playing PS4 games on PS5 on the regular though.
Heck Trails from Zero, my most anticipated release of this year, doesn't even have a PS5 version and I couldn't care less. Is the game enjoyable? Great I don't care what it's on as long as I can play it. That's all that matters in the end.
I'm glad i bought PS4 Slim White color 500 GB on 1 April 2018.
I will keep loving my PS4 as i got more kiddie games during year 2020 - 2021.
Didn't Nintendo recently stop making 3DS's despite the Switch being out for years? MS have always killed off previous gens quickly plus the Series S covers what the X1 was doing and more and being at a cheap price.
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Well said. I had no idea this was considered an issue at all to be honest. I think I'm getting better at ignoring the "noise" online as I get older.
@get2sammyb On that note, and apologies if you guys have run an article on this already that I've missed, but have you heard about this patent that Mark Cerny has apparently filed? https://uspto.report/patent/app/20220004219
They should use the resources to make more PS5s instead of PS4s. Time to move on Sony
There are most certainly markets out there in the world where more ps4s will make sense. I know plenty of people who tend to game 1 generation behind. Sony wont make money out of them from PS5s but they can from PS4s. The best part is any of these kinda gamers will not even need new games to be developed given the ps4's massive library.
@Rob_230 "I notice Microsoft decided to choose today to announce they had ceased Xbox One production to focus on Series S/X production."
Is almost as if they are competing with Sony or something 😐
Of course if you are running a business and you have a chance to throw a wrench to your main competitor you will. The fanboy things are always second to getting positive PR and possibly making more money.
@Rob_230 I think you're confusing console wars with competition between companies. If a company has the opportunity to position itself better than its competitor, then it will take that opportunity. Just like how Sony told people in 2013 that you can share used games with your friends while Microsoft was initially against it. That wasn't fuelling console wars, that was taking advantage of the opportunity to put themselves in a better position than their competitor. It's normal market behaviour, you tell consumers why they should choose your product over the competition's.
Its fine by me.more ps4 is welcome.word up son
@Shepherd_Tallon @get2sammyb To me anyway, and im absolutely no expert on patents just to be clear.
That reads like its the patent on how PS5 handles PS4 games - dropping PS5's CPU, GPU speed and memory allocation to mimic PS4.
Not mimicking older, completely different, architectures such as PS1, PS2 and PS3.
The "journalist" that started this, he sure as hell cant read.
Ps4 will live on for awhile. Even new games for it are so fresh. At a 1080p machine, it just cant be beat for price and playability. Same reason ps2 did so well. The tech held up. Ps4 will also hold up. Not sure if it will for another 60million units. But then again ps2 didnt break sales record until 2013, 13 years after launch. We’ll see where the ps4 is at in 2026 at the same age
@solocapers I suspect that you may very well be right. I honestly wouldn't know much about it. I found it an interesting read though in light of all the talk of the PS Plus/Ps NOW revamp.
Edit: Ah there you go: https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/01/updated-playstation-patent-has-fans-in-backwards-compatibility-frenzy-but-its-a-reach
Not much to it at all then.
I can't believe the prices ps4s and ps4pros are still going for here in Europe! Sold my pro after getting a ps5. With the cash I got a seriesS with gamepass... and a bag of Takis!
This is a non story of the highest degree. They can build PS4s more readily than PS5s, and even PS4s were in short supply earlier in the pandemic. Until store shelves are flush with PS5s, which doesn't seem likely this year, this is really their only option. Whether this in turn pushes Sony to make more future first party titles cross-gen remains to be seen, but as a player actively looking for a PS5 for a couple of months now without even a sniff, other than NewEgg bundles for $900(!!!!), I don't really care.
well playstation would be leaving 116 million ps4 users behind whilst xbox leaving around 50 million xbox one users behind, there's a huge difference and a huge potential loss of sales if sony just abandoned them straight away. I can't say it was a good move for me personally as I would like next gen games as I own a ps5 but it was definitely the right move financially for Sony by getting a LOT of money off those who don't own a ps5 yet by making the games cross gen
PlayStation have a lot more to lose by not supporting last gen
Honestly it's more annoying to read these shameful blind defenses of Sony from publications whom rely on promoting them to put food on the table. No implicit bias there...... That deserves your damn eye roll emoji.
Those that bought Sonys new console or their TV over a year ago that was supposedly PS5 ready should be pissed. We were sold the notion of generations. We were deceptively lead to believe upcoming games were to usher in this shift. Some were sold on VRR updates to come in firmware patches for that said TV.
Only to have those commitments backtracked on. It's highly likely that not a single PS5 exclusive even releases this year. To pretend like this decision by Sony is about anything other than maximizing profits as best they can and appeasing investors and corporate board members is just willful ignorance.
@BritneyfR_ee
Omg... Alien Isolation is a solid 8.5/10 for me.
PS4s still sell well enough to cover the demand. PS4 Pro, new ones, on places like eBay are ridiculously expensive so that proves that there's still a market for the old girl. CEX are selling used Pros for over £300 and the PS5 DOE is only £50 more. Apparently people want a disc drive...
I would imagine if Sony dropped the base PS4 price to £200, a shed load more would get sold.
Since the PS5 dropped, there seem to be quite a few snobs who view the last best thing since sliced bread as too old to be of any use while it's proving to be far more capable than the nay sayers believe.
It's not in its twilight years, it's in its golden years where talented devs squeeze every ounce of performance and graphical fidelity out of the old machine.
Good write up and I agree with most of it.
I think you’re point about cross-gen is off base though. On some level, the promise of a PS5 is that it can do things a PS4 can’t. When games are cross-gen, it doesn’t break that promise but it certainly bends it, and gamers have a right to be upset. They feel deceived, and have good grounds to feel that way.
Also, development could have started ten years ago. That has nothing to do with what hardware was being targeted, what the motives were for releasing cross-gen, or how much the spec was cut to accommodate.
I don't personally care either way as I will get the "best" version of a game because I have a PS5; however I do see the outrage.
Sony did amazing marketing to make people believe that it's next system would be a game-changer for all of it's biggest games in terms of game design with the SSD, only to turn around and still be bound to old game design of the PS4 for the foreseeable future (well, at least through 2022).
Sure, a lot of that was fan expectations; but Sony also stays radio silent and did nothing to quell the over-inflated expectations, either.
If you look on the other side of the aisle, Halo Infinite seems to be the last cross-gen game Microsoft Studios will release as it can now completely focus on Series X|S and PC.
The reason I say "seems" is because, if you look at the official list of Series X|S games, Halo Infinite is the final first-party game on the list to support Smart Delivery - suggesting that Microsoft has now ditched Xbox One.
Of course, the big difference is that Microsoft still has to considered mechanical hard drives due to a focus on PC, so Sony can still pull ahead in that aspect as its first-party games that do focus only on PS5 can have such a new design structure in mind.
Now I am completely sure that Sony has more first-party PS5-only titles tucked away somewhere; but it is no doubt a HUGE disappointment to find out that Horizon, God of War, and GT7 were all labelled as cross-gen months after the PS5 reveal. Major games still shackled by PS4 limitations in terms of game design.
Bottom line: "next-gen" won't truly start from a first-party perspective on either console until 2023.
@lolwhatno Haha I knew it would play tricks on some one 😂 it was a standard pic but then I changed it two days ago to the moving one
I mean we have developers making games for the ps4 like nier replicant etc
Every game I play on PC are Cross-Gen games 😅
What hardware (and quality level) someone else is playing on is their choice. This is not an issue.
I would’ve thought logically they’d stop selling ps4 the same day ps5 came out, if it weren’t for the supply chain / plandemic issues I don’t see the purpose of continuing making it. Just maintain support for it for a year or so while everyone upgrades.
Reaction: Can We Chill Out With The Overdramatic Headlines To Everything, Please? Seriously Sammy it will be ok. People don't have to think like you... such First World drama! 🙄
Big difference between ceasing manufacture and ceasing support.
Sony ceased manufacture of the PS2 in 2013 to start making PS4's but wasn't until 2018 that they stopped supporting it. The PS3 continued to be manufactured until 2016 but its still 'supported' today - you can still play on PS3, play online, buy from the store (after backtracking on closing it) but that was in 2021 - 15years after the console released and 5yrs after they ceased manufacturing and with a massive PS4 user base and their PS5's unable to keep up with demand.
Point is, whether they decide to cease making more of an 'antiquated' (in technological hardware terms) hardware or not has NO impact on the existing users. It just means that when the retailers run out of 'new' stock, no more will be coming so the options are buy 'used' or buy a PS5 as the PS5 will play all PS4 games anyway. Sony may well be focussed on PS5 gen only and PSVR2 games to tempt those still on PS4 to upgrade to PS5, but 3rd Party devs without a 'platform' to sell will still port the games they can to PS4 because there are enough active users to sell their games to -expect Fifa, CoD etc to get last gen ports.
The likes of H:FW, GoW:R and GT7 were all expected to release before the end of 2021, within the first year of the PS5 and no doubt started out as PS4 develop games but with delays and 2yrs of pandemic conditions, they are now releasing 'later' into the PS5 gen cycle. That's a 'legacy' of the current climate. If they were planned for 2022, chances are they'd be PS5 only - even if they could release on PS4 - to encourage you to upgrade to new hardware.
At the end of the day, when Sony (or MS) choose to end manufacture of their 'old' hardware has no impact on the 'current' users on those systems. It just means that if you were planning on buying one, buy one 'sooner' because the retailers won't be getting more stock or buy used. Those current users will still get the games released that were planned and built to release on that hardware and whether its in production or not, the quantity of releases would still dry up due to hardware limitations - just like EVERY new generation...
I’m glad I can still play some of these great new releases on my PS4. I have definitely wanted to upgrade to PS5, but I just can’t seem to find one at retail price, and I won’t pay a scalper.
One thing I really like about this cross-generation situation, is that when I do get the PS5 (hopefully!), many of the games I dropped money on, come with the PS5 version included.
I get the complaint about PS4 holding back PS5 development…but as an old school gamer…I just can’t bring myself to care that much. I find as much enjoyment playing an old NES game as I do with excellent games such as Tales of Arise or FFVII Remake.
I am all about companies supporting their “legacy” systems for as long as possible because at my age, 5 years can seem like a pretty short time, and I love seeing consoles supported as long as possible!
Exactly
Here in Iran (Middle East), the PS5 console is very expensive and we use our PS4 consoles. Very few people here can afford to buy PS5. So at least we're happy to have Cross-gen games.
I don't understand why they didn't keep PS4 Pro instead of basic PS4. PS4 Pro would have become 1080p console for 300 euros, while PS5 would be the more expensive new console.
‘Miffed’... that’s a new one.. must be a UK thing.. is it similar or ‘irritated’ or is it more like ‘dumbfounded’?
Either way, I still haven’t gotten a PS5 so it doesn’t matter to me.. I see both sides but to be fair, I don’t wanna touch a new game until I get one.. I’ll just patiently sit here playing my Nintendo Switch while my future PS5 backlog piles up.. it’s already so overwhelming lowers head sadly with a smile
I wouldn't need a PS4 if you'd stop selling PS5s to bots.
As someone who has no desire to plop down more than half a grand on a PS5, I'm super happy to see my PS4 continue to see support.
Based off of history, there was 60+ million or more PS3s sold when the PS4 released. AAA titles, Killzone Shadows Fall, Knack, followed by Infamous and Bloodborne were PS4 titles. They could have downgraded them and released them on the PS3 for additional sales, BUT THEY DIDN’T. If you compare the first two year life cycles of the PS5 and PS4, the PS5 has sold just as many or more units than the PS4 according to many websites.
This first party AAA cross-gen crap is due to the new more greedy leadership of Sony and all the damn cry babies in 2019/20 that cried for cross gen followed by all the freaking people that say it’s not a big deal now.
I didn’t buy 2 PS5s to play damn PS4 games(one for me, one for my kids), yet, here we are going into year 2 of its life and every major AAA title coming in its second year of life are PS4 titles.
Horizon DLC launched in November 2017. God of War launched in April 2018. I imagine both games sequels started development in 2018. The PS5 launched in 2020. AAA games today, typically take 3 years minimum to develop and release. So, you truly believe that in 2018, they didn’t actually start working on PS5 games? You truly believe that in 2018, just 2 years before the PS5 launched, these 1st Party developers didn’t have any idea of what tech was coming? They couldn’t guess that at least 8g of ram SSDs, or a better cpu was going to be used?
There are multiple sites like this one that report that previously announced PS5 titles were CHANGED to be PS4 titles. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/06/sonys-generations-matter-mantra-crumbles-gran-turismo-7-will-be-cross-gen/ “ This week's PlayStation announcement MARKS A CHANGE for multiple games that had been PREVIOUSLY ADVERTISED as PlayStation 5 titles. We have now learned that God of War: Ragnarok and Gran Turismo 7 are officially coming to both PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5. The news follows last week's confirmation that Horizon: Forbidden West will also launch as a cross-gen game.”
So yeah, AAA 1st party titles that used to push the medium forward and were not hindered by previous tech, but now are, annoys the absolute hell out of me. The PS4 has been out for 9 YEARS, there are enough freaking games for it for old and new users. Quit hindering new tech by old tech. 3rd part titles can cover cross-gen, let 1st part titles push the limits to what is capable.
@Gremio108 comment of the year. I have a PS5 so yeah I agree
First it is NOT a good thing to see Ms discontinue what they hyped to heaven high definition VR and a monster for gaming so quick. There’s no way to spin that into a pro consumer attitude PS should imitate.
Second stop the misinformation about Jim Ryan this and that and pretend he lied.
This is from the famous ‘we believe in generation’ article in May 2020:
‘We have always felt that we had a responsibility to serve that [PS4] community for several years after the launch of PS5 and that it represented a huge business opportunity for us," Ryan says. "The numbers are quite straightforward. If you say in broad brush figures that we have a community of 100 million PS4 owners right now, and in the first couple of years... I don't know, somewhere between 15 and 25 million might migrate to PS5, that still leaves a huge number of people with PS4s. And that community is demonstrating an amazing stickiness, and willingness to stay engaged that, I think, the events of the past few months have just reinforced what we knew already.‘
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And third Mochizuki ‘report’ is as always very questionable and Sony denied it.
Believe rumour mongers because it suits you I guess.
People really have no idea of what they're talking about anymore. Console leaps in hardware are nothing compared to what they used to be. What's the most amazing tech that's been revealed this generation? Fancy lighting and reflections for a huge performance hit. A game isn't going to be horrible if its cross gen on Ps4 and Ps5. We're at the point of massive diminishing returns now. Are Forza Horizon 5 and Miles Morales terrible because they're on last gen consoles too? Is Deathloop somehow better for being a next gen only game? There's nothing impressive tech wise about that game and could have easily been made on Ps4.
People just love to turn everything negative. Gaming is so terrible nowadays and entitled whiny gamers are the main reason for it.
A huge number of people are still playing PS4 because they can't find a PS5 anywhere. It's been a year in Canada and you still have an incredibly hard time finding one.
@MyThoughts31 It's a fifteen year old machine. How much longer do you want them to run it? It's done, over, finished. It had it's day. Stop whining and move on.
Even the PS4 is pretty expensive in a lot of South American countries.
@Jammsbro so is the 360 yet ms understand people like to go back and play the old games. For example how many people jumped onto Halo these past 3 weeks to finish them up. Sony just close everything down.
@Gaia093 I would assume it's 1MM incremental PS4 production, maybe? This seems like such a low number globally at this stage into next gen. Latam, Eastern EU and big portion of Asia is still heavilly into PS4...
I know PS2 is special, but I think it was still selling multiple millions a year several years after PS3 launch...
@Juanalf In Microsoft's situation where Xbox one sold relatively poorly and had pretty much nothing going for it and expensive to make it makes sense to shut it down. In Sony's case where Spartacus is probably also gonna hit PS4 and is still selling it makes sense to keep it going.
@UltimateOtaku91 Exactly. Ditch PS4 and kiss bye bye to about 40m psplus subscribers. People who expect them to do that while Microsoft has the resources they have just seem really illogical. It's like, they WANT Sony to dig its own grave while looking pro Sony. Hypocrisy.
@KundaliniRising333 Yes, and the market and the world changed. There are more games on ps5 you can't play on PS4 than the Xbox equivelent. Honestly, like you never saw rain clouds just before you left the house and changed your mind about that t-shirt and went with a jacket. Absolute. Preposterous.
@BeerIsAwesome Yeah, going by that logic, Microsoft should stop older but more popular pc graphics cards from working in peoples PCs. Pure hypocrisy 😂😂😂
@JJ2 "thing to see Ms discontinue what they hyped to heaven high definition VR and a monster for gaming so quick."
Is it really so "quick" to discontinue the 5 year old "slim" version of an 8 year old console when, for the first time (other than launch PS3's PS2 BC that caused it to be overpriced and fail at launch) the new consoles have full BC, though?
The real issue is just what market each console is for, and that's where PS and MS are in different places. Who's the market for a PS4 or 1S right now? Someone that can't afford the higher costs of the PS5/XSX, and doesn't already have one over the past 8 years. Budget consumers (not like the past where it was also core gamers that wanted to play some prior gen games.) If Sony discontinues PS4, it means all they have is a $400 digital console which basically means abandoning the lower end market (which was traditionally Sony's strongest market) and leaving it to their competitors exclusively (both in primary markets, and secondary market regions where currency means sales must be at the low end of the market.) For MS, with the Series S, they already have a budget console that plays all the new games at the $300 price point (or less on sale/bundles), already matching Nintendo's pricing, which does everything the One S did (except Kinekt), with no down-side.
Put another way, MS stopping 1S production doesn't impact anyone's ability to access any content in the future unlike past gens, and doesn't impact their presence in the lower end market since Series S replaces 1S with a much better box at the same RRP.
Sony discontinuing PS4 would ALSO not impact anyone's ability to access content, but it would remove them from the lower end market completely, with no "current" product to fill that price point.
The two companies are just in very different positions with different ability to discontinue the aged product without it affecting their market presence.
If you are visiting parts of the internet where people are genuinely upset about things like this you may reconsider what you spend your time reading.
The are over 110,000,000 PS4s in the wild. Manufacturing a million more is basically nothing.
@NEStalgia
I have no idea why you think I was talking about the one S but I guess you wanted to talk about it.
Whatever.
(The one S has been irrelevant for a while)
@Kalime78 According to the other linked article, the initial plan was to cease PS4 production altogether by the end of 2021, but due to the ongoing chip shortages for PS5 it seems they decided to produce a token amount of PS4s in 2022 as well.
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/01/sony-reportedly-planned-to-cease-ps4-production-at-the-end-of-2021
So yeah, as far as I can tell it's not a 1M increment but rather 1M all in all.
@JJ2 Ah, what WERE you actually talking about in that quoted statement, then? It matched with today's announcement they were ending the 1S, so I thought that's what you were talking about (since others elsewhere have been fanboying on both sides about that being better than Sony or worse than Sony.) What else did they discontinue?
The point is Jim Ryan said "We believe in generations" to push sales before the PS5 hit. Now we're in year two and the three exclusives coming from this year are cross gen. Yes I know we've got R&C, and Returnal and not saying they weren't decent, but nothing about them are much better than what's on PS4. Point is the games coming are being held back by cross gen and Jim Ryan lied. I don't care what savior article for Sony you guys write.
If my PS4 dies on me my only option would be to buy another PS4. PS5 out of stock for foreseeable future in the UK.
@Ken_Kaniff They do believe in generations, though, clearly — as evidenced by your own comment. This generational transition has been no different to any other one.
Not miffed at all. Not sure why they stopped in the first place. I know it's not 2001 or 2006, but didn't they still sell the PS1 and PS2 when their prospective replacements were out in stores? Not sure for how long. I don't think the PS4 was readily available in 2021. Scalpers!
@NEStalgia
My comment CLEARLY referred to one X which was also discontinued and announced as such
@Ken_Kaniff
‘We believe in generation’ didn’t mean what you and many reports think. Read the full interview if you want facts.
@JJ2 Oh, I see. 1X was discontinued back before XSX/PS5 launched, though, as was PS4 Pro.
I do agree, that was too soon, for both Pro and X, X was a year younger, and all the suggestions up to that point were that it would kind of become what Series S ended up being, and yes, it was disheartening as a buyer. BUT, I also see the point that because both were sporting beefy GPUs and a lot of ram to support 4k, they couldn't drop the price points enough that they had any reason to still exist next to 4Pro and 1X probably couldn't have dropped much below $375 at the absolute lowest, at which point the PS5AD looks like a no brainer, and the debate between an old 1X or a graphically weaker, computationally stronger Series S for a lot less becomes more of a debate.
I see what your point is, though, the 1X was only around for 3 years. 4Pro was at least 4, and both were ended too early. But that was gone years ago, now.
@NEStalgia
Yep Not only that but one X has proven to be still a relevant alternative to the SS and PS4 slim the other last gen console still relevant new.
@JJ2 Definitely true. More than an alternative, the 1X is actually much better for last gen games than the XSS, load times aside, XSS only runs BC using the 1S profile. Although, even if they still made it it would cost a lot more than the XSS, so I suppose it would be an awkward product on the market.
I kind of always expected that base PS4/1S would be discontinued and X1X/4Pro would become the "budget" options. I guess the "mid gen" models cost a lot more to manufacture than it seems.
@NEStalgia
Yea that’s what I mean. 1x is much better than the SS which I think is a scam but I try not to trigger some defensive console war crap haha
@alexbolton2 They dont have the components to produce the PS5 they are all in high demand. The PS4 has older components which are not in such high demand. Use your head.
Can you imagine how different this comment section would be if the roles was reversed? I remember when Microsoft said they will support Xbox one for 2 years before the new generation started and everyone from fan boys to gaming media websites demolished Microsoft saying how it's holding back next generation games. Sony came out and said we believe in generations and now look. Sony does what Microsoft said they was going to do and everyone is praising Sony like they're God. If Microsoft had announced they will continue to make Xbox one and sony said they would focus on ps5 and next gen you Sony fan boys would be screaming to the rooftops how Microsoft is screwing gaming but since it's Sony it's the right business decision and won't hold back gaming right? But but Sony has an install base of 120 million so it only makes sense (I already know thats going to be the response o and also that how most cant get a ps5 now). Unbelievable really how when Sony does or says something no one bats an eye but when it's Microsoft it's always doom and gloom. You fanboys on this site is hilarious! O how I wish u would've screenshot alot of the people on this website to show what I'm talking bout!!!!
@get2sammyb Yes it is, besides one or two indie games we did not see Infamous Second Son, Killzone Shadow Fall, Knack, or Driveclub come to PS3 when the PS4 launched. These all released in the first year. There's all the prove you need that Sony lied and planned this gen to be cross gen for years to come. Thats why those games looked dramatically better when the PS4 launched as compared to what we've gotten on PS5. The games look marginally better than there PS4 counterparts.
@themcnoisy Haha, that's a very early shout but I'll take it
I remember going to an ebgames in 2010 to pickup a brand new PS2 for a friend, It’s nice to see that 2022’s Internet would have a deranged temper tantrum over that happening. So ***** stupid.
@Malmall20
I mean there’s no need to call everyone ‘fanboy’ for no reason. That word should be restricted in Push because it’s always for the wrong reason, often projecting and trying to belittle some individuals.
I believe your misinformed and what happened is Ms said there would be no next gen exclusive for two year (from ms studios obviously) . That’s very different than supporting last gen but still deliver next gen games day one and in the following months like Sony did.
As for ‘we believe in generations’ it does NOT mean what you think so check the original interview that was given before even any game reveal and just after the DualSense was revealed and rightly touted as a true next gen controller.
@JJ2 Haha, XSS definitely isn't a scam, I have one, I bought one as a backup while my XSX was down, and I currently have it set up as a local game streaming server like I use my launch PS4.
It's actually a pretty impressive little box for the price of a Switch (less than a a SWOLED). For NEW "next gen" games it's pretty impressive what it does for the price it does it. It has a worse GPU than the 1X, yeah, but MOSTLY it's really just a 1080p Series X for new (not BC) games. The 1X ran old games maxed out. The XSS doesn't, but it runs new stuff at modest settings. (I say mostly because it's a little more complicated than that, I ran FH5 on it and Doom '93-like pixelated billboards for foliage with big pop in in performance mode are definitely several notches below what I expect from it, however, because of load speeds and, obviously 60fps, it was still more pleasant running FH5 on the XSS than on the 1X, so it's still an overall upgrade for that game. I'm addicted to my 4k consoles, but If I'd never owned one, which is most people, I would have been thrilled with the XSS.)
For BC, 1X wins over it, every time, hands-down, though. XSS has the unusual position in the tech world that it actually runs new, more demanding content better than it runs old legacy content.
I wouldn't want it as a main console, but I can't deny it's a good box at what it does, just like buying a budget video card for a PC build. It'll disappoint if you're used to high end GPUs, but it'll run your games well enough if all you want to do is run your games and have them look presentable.
Honestly if Sony could put out a "PS5 Lite" in a few years that's basically a 1080p PS5 like what the XSS is, they could overtake Switch easily. Few on this board would want one except as a second room console, but there's a big market that would love that. People on this forum would scoff at that, but I think it would sell like crazy.
Great article, don't understand why early current gen adopters are so hellbent on wanting the last gen snubbed just so they can feel special
Similar with what happened with PS3, despite so many games only on that system unplayable on PS4 even with psnow
SONY have 'NEVER' dropped a last Gen console after just one year when a next Gen console comes out!?!? so I am 100% that story about them doing so is pure BS Saying that as a PS5 owner now I just want PS5 'only' games really so we can see new innovations which are really not possible on last Gen consoles. Oh well maybe next year or the next or the next...
Microsoft have always ended their consoles quickly after a new one launches. I worked for a games retailer during the Xbox 360 launch and my store had 30 OG Xbox consoles pulled from sale and returned back to them overnight.
PlayStation have always had long console overlaps but that's not the thing that bothers me. As a PlayStation fan, it's the fact that no other generation of PlayStation has had cross gen first party games the way we have now. Pandemic, huge PS4 install base blah blah blah. The fact is that Sony haven't provided compelling reasons to own the PS5 compared to the way they differentiated their previous new generations.
@NEStalgia
Idk everyone has their own feeling and opinions obviously. I’m sure some people buy an SS and they’ll regret it when they upgrade to a new TV which are about all 4k now. The memory and space SSD )almost giving you to buy an extra expansion) and only digital blah blah so many things altogether amount to scam if I’d get that.
Everyone is different so it’s fine if some like it In that saying what I genuinely think is all
The fact you guys are actually paying attention to anyone on Twitter.
I'm glad they're still supporting PS4 I don't have a ps5 yet because they're hard to get & I can't afford one anyway
@JJ2 haha, it's not for enthusiasts at all (but makes a cool additional digital box) and those points you made are all valid, but we overestimate what most consumers want. How many people are fine with a Switch on a 4k TV? Bleh.
I'm a pixel peeper...I see every flaw, but I wish I could be blissfully unaware like most of the world. I'd be a lot richer . I'm unfortunately a golden eared audiophile, too... Now THAT one is trouble....
I ended up going back into the xsx search to buy a spare to keep around because the xss didn't cut it for me as a replacement if it breaks again, really. I regretted buying the s at first. But now that I hooked it up as a local streaming server, I love the thing to bits, it's the perfect extension box for my digital library and I kinda wish PS made one too. It's like a SteamLink, except actually supported by the mfr....
But if I weren't enthusiast, ocd me, I'd probably be perfectly happy with only that. Especially compared to switch if I weren't interested in handheld features (sadly, I am .. Someday Vita2 will happen. With Knack 3 exclusive at launch.... )
@MyThoughts31 Boohoo. Move on, play something else.
i do not have a ps5 so this is great news for me and 100m+ other ps4 owners. when news of cross gen games broke a while back, we knew that it would be a while before the ps5 gen truly took off with exclusives that push the hardware. looks like that won't be until the end of 2023. until then, enjoy improved framerates and fidelity on ps5 because that is all you are getting with the exception of a few games such as ratchet and clank, returnal etc.
It would be so wrong to drop support to millions of PS4 users in the first few years. Many of those PS4 user having just bought their PS4 just 1-3 years before PS5 was released. Why would any Dev want to lose out on the bigger install base. You can make a PS5 game and downgrade it down to PS4 spec's just as easy as making a PS4 game and upgrading it to PS5.
@NEStalgia
Oh yeah. As a second system if you know exactly what you want and have an old tv I get it.
At least PS4 are last gen meant for last gen TV. You can’t mistake it for a next gen and think it’s furure proof. Switch is old too and meant to be portable so that’s different.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the SS is discontinued soon enough. The current model anyway. (like they did for the OG Xbox one)
@OmegaStriver
Good morning.
‘So, you truly believe that in 2018, they didn’t actually start working on PS5 games? ‘
Yes they did start working on PS5 games. That’s why there is a PS5 native version using PS5 API
To my knowledge only GT7 was developed for PS5 but in a PS4 version too as an after thought. The dev explained he started dev for PS5 but then later decided he could have a downgraded version also running on PS4. Don’t judge me I’m only reporting the facts.
I don’t think GOW R was supposed to be next gen only. I’m not aware of it anyway.
PS4 vs PS3 was a very different approach you have to admit since there was no BC at all. But even so many games (multi platform) were still cross gen. LBP3 was cross gen. Altogether there were actually not as many next gen PS4 games in the first year as there were PS5 next gen games. PS4 has no game was a meme if you remember.
To be clear I wish all games were next only even multi platform games. I see the facts as they are though.
So yeah it’s a shame the second year still has many cross gen games but it’s indeed a different approach with BC on hardware level, with the huge install base and also the pandemic. In any case Jim Ryan said in May 2020 that PS4 would be supported for years after PS5 launch but the ‘reports’ focused on what the public wanted to hear and click which was anything with ‘next generation’ in the headline.
Typical internet logic. “I have a PS5, so everyone else must now abandon their PS4.”
I don’t have a PS5, my PS4 is still going strong, I still have a backlog of PS4 games to get through, and lastly, I am not going to pay some scalping p.o.s to get my hands on a PS5.
And as another poster said, if my PS4 dies, and I want to continue gaming, my only option is to get another PS4, due to the lack of stock of PS5s.
The press will always blow things up and the idiots are the ones who both read and believe it without doing research.
First I wanted to sharp PS4 to PS5 transition. But I thought, that I would be able to buy PS5. Now Im happy with my PS4Pro and games support from Sonys side. I probably will buy PS5. I hope it will be some slim version together with psvr2. Thank you Sony!
@PSfan4Life22 you know what is crazy? is when a gamer has a ps4, a slim, a ps4 pro, and then buys a pS5 and has all of those consoles.. can we ONCE think about what the demand for all of this plastic, chips and components are doing to our world? I recycle ALL of my controllers, because they have lithium batteries in them.. Most gamers I know just throw them in the trash. People SLOW DOWN, its not that serious, and we have games to play for years. Your kids are going to live in a world where there will be plastic and waters polluted by ps4 and ps5 battery juice and components...Im keeping my ps4 until the unit decides to move to the other side..WHen its time I will get a new console, and there is a HUGE library of games to play still.. be HAPPY ,, stop abandoning your consoles for the new and the shiny, they will always be there and youll be able to get one when the timing is right...
haha , good riddance to the PS4 for me 😂. terribly outdated hardware . hell , i think the OS of the ps4 is equivalent to the iphone 6 . yikes .
@Flaming_Kaiser older components? elaborate since youre clearly an engineer smart guy, There's still a shortage on metal, pcbs and semi conductors so whether they're making ps4's or ps5's they're both going to be in short supply pal... use your head
I've 'chilled out' when it comes to this, but I'm still extremely disappointed. Obviously on the business side it makes sense but as somebody who wants to see PS5 taken full advantage of, it's discouraging that PS4 is still getting versions of the big first party games.
@JohnKarnes some gamers don't have this logic.... they only think 'i have a ps5!" and its about the financial gain at the end of the day, do you honestly think that like a game like HZD FW (which by the way have millions of fans on the ps4) they will all of a sudden say "well EFF YOU PS4 owners, this is for PS5 owners only eat a bowl of pigeon dung!" No serious person will think this will happen.. But here on PUSHSQUARE, gamers here say things like "im glad they are abandoning ps4, i have a ps5 eff you!" Yeah brilliant guys!! (face palm)
Ah, reading these comments has made me feel a little less crazy about some of the nonsense I've been spewing on here lately!
@Malmall20 @Ken_Kaniff It’s nice to see a couple people that see this situation for what it is. Sony has made some decisions that I believe will hurt the growth of gameplay experiences in the future. I’ve got a few friends that see this situation as we do. At this point, the vast majority of people, as seen on this comment section, don’t care about games growing. AAA 1st party titles have been what has pushed games forward but now, we have no choice but to wait, and then say I told you so in the future. Give it a few years and there will be a ton of people complaining about how games have too much of a been there done that feeling. I truly believe this will apply to HFW and GoW this year, we’ll play them, and they will be good but many will start to see how they feel like PS4 games. Higher res/frames, ray tracing and controller haptics are just PS5 perks. They are not true advancements to games. World building, animation, AI and gameplay can be improved and should be what represents “next-gen”.
@OmegaStriver Its good to hear a fellow voice that sees what I've been saying, and not get burned at the stake like most of the people seem like they want to do as soon as you say anything negative about the almighty Sony. Most fans will eat whatever Sony feeds them and then those same people that will shame you now will complain in the future about what we're seeing happening right now. There is such a small percentage of the community that sees it that its a winless battle when you try and show people what you see happening.
@Uncharted2007 MS can kill the previous generation because of the Series S. It is a low cost entry level console for next gen. My grandkids have one and it is pretty impressive for 300 bucks.
@BleedingDreamer So what happens when people say the series S is holding back the X?
@JohnKarnes only time will tell when it comes to that issue.
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