
The Forspoken reviews are starting to come in, and as many predicted, it's not looking great for the open world action RPG. Initial coverage is divided to say the least, with the title currently sitting at a 66 on Metacritic. Not outright bad, but certainly not the hit that Square Enix would have wanted.
Generally speaking, reviewers have been critical of the game's story, writing, and general tone. However, it sounds like the gameplay's actually decent once you dig into it, providing flashy combat and fun traversal.
It's also worth noting that review code was not made available to everyone — Push Square included. As such, you can expect more reviews to be published over coming days and weeks.
Right now, though, these are the kinds of critiques we're looking at:
RPG Fan - 8/10
"Forspoken is a far better and more compelling game than I had feared, but it also doesn’t reach the heights I dreamt of. There is a lot of fun to be had exploring Athia and the main quest keeps things interesting even when you get bored with the open-world checklist. But at the same time I can’t help but be disappointed with how safe Forspoken plays the open world, and I am unlikely to go back to clear out all of those rote points of interest."
IGN - 6/10
"Forspoken is the sort of game you’ve probably seen before – from its stereotypical fish-out-of-water fantasy story to its giant open-world map full of repetitive optional tasks. Its combat is flashy and fun enough to entertain across its comparatively short RPG campaign, with fights that do a good job of pushing you to shake up your use of elemental powers even when the overall variety of enemies isn’t particularly impressive."
GameSpot - 5/10
"Forspoken is a tricky game to recommend. The lore of its world is interesting but delivered in a stilted expository manner, and the freeing sensation of taking off across the landscape in a magically-propelled sprint is sullied by the knowledge that there's nowhere to go or anything fun to do. Combat is visually impressive but not all that engaging, and the excellent sound design and the catchy musical score are regularly undermined by unfunny quips from an unlikable protagonist."
GamesRadar - 2.5/5
"Forspoken shines brightest when its protagonist is dipping, ducking, and diving along the generally striking world of Athia while casting a variety of spells, but the standard fish-out-of-water fantasy story of Frey only subtracts from the experience."
Eurogamer - N/A
"This story takes time to get going, and while the writing doesn't always land, there's plenty to enjoy even if the numerous ups and downs make Forspoken hard to universally recommend. Still, thanks to its robust character development, detailed worldbuilding, and stylish combat, there are elements here that are still worth a look."
So, how do you feel about Forspoken's initial reception? Have these reviews enticed you, or have you been put off? Sling some spells in the comments section below.
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There are a lot of positive reviews and next to it a lot of negative. Seems to be another one of, you either like it or hate it, game. Going to wait for a while to see if the price drops quickly.
It’s a marmite game.
I feel like most people expected this. The game has some really cool looking enemies but I just can't get over the dialogue, so I'll probably skip it
When Square Enix saw the reaction to the demo they should have delayed it further to work on the gameplay and aspects that people didn't like.
I will be skipping this. Save the money for Like A Dragon Isin!
I was expecting this. It's still on my radar though, I like what I played of it in spite of some cringe dialogue, and I enjoyed FF15 more than most I think, so who knows.
Still not about buying games for £70 so obviously this was always going to be a sale pickup too.
The next Babylon's Fall 🐐
It's still insane to me that in this day and age, with the budget and time this had, a dev team and writers with the opportunity to create a brand new IP, they push out what is at best a by the numbers, bland, bang average game.
Gary Whitta is stealing a living btw.
It looks like the story and main character are as bad as they looked initially. I was interested when this was first announced, then I quickly lost all interest in it.
Now imagine if it actually released last May lol
I tried the demo and it felt like square enix doing an ubisoft open world and the dialogue already outstayed its welcome. Im willing to believe that if i played it and got the powers naturally id have a better experience but this definitely a buy on sale game for me
Yeah this went from a maybe rent to a defo no....I don't really have time for good games(still playing Ragnarok)...so cba with mediocre ones
@Tsushima Good call Kyodai!
Decided to rent this rather than buy it. I haven’t tried the demo and have only seen one of the early trailers. No idea what to expect honestly but I’ll give it a try and if it’s crap, send it back.
Pretty much as expected on this one, sometimes you can tell.
There's no way I would pay 70 for a mediocre at best or total crap at worst game, will buy it when it's price drops to at least 1/3 if not more. I can barely believe that in the span of a year Square released this and Babylon's fall.
I thought the demo was decent, but I had my concerns. The point that worries me the most in the review snippets is bland open world with little interesting to do. I thought her dialogue in the demo was too over the top but I could live with it, but if the fantasy world is bland then that's the real death knell.
I guess this will be the kind of game I randomly bjy for $10 used in 4 years.
68 average from 56 reviews on metacritic so far
I will give it a chance once it hits $30 bucks or less, it might not be that bad but with these reviews and the non-existent hype for the game it’s gonna drop crazy fast.
Also it doesn’t help that the first half of the year is absolutely stacked with games that look waaaay more promising than this, Dead Space, Hogwarts Legacy, Atomic Heart, Jedi Survivor, Horizon Burning Shores, Redfall, Forza, Zelda, FFXVI, and more; by the time I can get to Forspoken it will be already half the price lol.
But a question has to be asked, what the heck did Sony see in this game to pay 2 full years of exclusivity?
People with different opinions how dare they.... In all honesty looks like 7 game when reviews are very mixed but I still like the look of the game which in this case I do, I will just look at the bad points from the bad reviews just to see if if broken mess and probably still get it unless there's something really bad I didn't like that popped up in several reviews.
Got my copy coming tomorrow and can't wait to play it, looks like a solid 7 to me and theres absolutely nothing wrong with that. Not every game has to be a 10/10 for you to play it. Infact if you're on the fence then just block out the reviews and go try the game for yourself via the demo.
@Cherip-the-Ripper not a live service game so it wont be going anywhere
Easy Allies gave it an 8/10. They would be my go to reviewers after Push Square.
I was surprised that they scored it so high. It's always looked like a 7/10 game to me.
I'll be staying up late to play this one at midnight. The gameplay looks like a lot of fun. Watching Rob on Access playing it atm and it looks like a blast.
@IOI That's the million dollar question I've wanted to ask PlayStation for over a year now. They're normally great at selecting the stuff they want to be heavily associated with, so I don't know what possessed them to link up with this outside of it being from Square Enix.
I have it pre-ordered and ready to go. I have a feeling I’m going to like it.
Judging from these reviews I'll be able to pick this up sooner rather than later during a STEEP sale.
@UltimateOtaku91 Have to second this message. A 7/10 is perfectly fine. It will be a nice filler between Ragnarok and Hogwarts, and the demo is there for anyone who is unsure.
Demo didn't hit for me but clearly some folks are really digging it. Square Enix are going to get embraced at this rate, with lots of weird, mid games and selling off good studios for a crypto war chest. They better pray FF16 hits
I feel like it's going to be a good game to get when it dropped in price a little bit.
One must also remember that Square deliberately was selective with whom they gave out reviews. Only giving to the major sites because they had to and those two sites in particular gave it terrible reviews. The reviews giving this an 8 should be taken with a massive grain of salt.
This is a game that not only has a terrible 12-15 hour TOPS story of which they stated prior to release was 30-40. It is one where nearly ALL of the side content is generic filler, making the world pointless to explore and not even nudged to do so by the narrative that doesn't require you to visit most of it.
I really had high hopes for this one, but the demo clearly showed it was going to be mediocre. Especially with the lack of weight and power against sponge enemies, terrible controls and ui, and finicky / janky traversal (on top of the terrible writing). At this point it seems to indicate a pretty significant problem in production as well, because ultimately what you have here is an unfinished game that is padded out with checklist side content in the form of icons on the map that is not only boring but not even woven into the story. Just like Cyberpunk.
You would be far wiser to assume that the 4-6 range is what is most accurate in terms of the quality of this game. Thankfully though, considering the story can be finished in 12 hrs, and the icon busy work can be tasted in an a few hrs more than that to realize its copy and paste nonsense, we should be getting the majority of reviews from those who were snubbed within 48 hrs for those who choose to even do so at this point. If its story is bad, and side content is bad, no amount of fun combat will save a title in which all of the activities that require said combat, is a slog to engage with.
It will be VERY interesting to see how PC performance plays out as even on PS5 as this game has MASSIVE input latency and a very low DRS base and overall significant performance problems. Oh, and VRR doesn't work for a lot of the framerate dips because they are frequently below PS5's limited VRR range capability and 120 hz modes don't help much either due to frame time issues. All that on top of it being visually downgraded to now being more comparable to a cross generational title including black screen delays in between loading cut scenes and opening doors into new areas etc. If FF 15 support is anything to go by, very little attention to patches and fixes will come from this studio.
The bummer is, that this will likely not go on sale beyond like 10 or 20 for a while, as square is known for not discounting there many recent duds for months or a year or more. As this for me is a title worth 30 max. Sony gambled on this one for sure, and they lost. Luminous will likely not recover and be gutted and absorbed, and Square will narrow and consolidate further into being even less relevant beyond a handful of decent FF titles.
@Martijn87 from the sample reviews, I don't see how you're getting that impression. One review seems to be over-inflating its score with compared to others (seems to be saying the same as IGN - flashy combat and traversal, but held back by being generic - but awarding it an 8 over a 6) and the rest being average or close to it.
@Rob3008 I agree. I wonder how difficult it would’ve been to rewrite some of the more cringy/bland dialog and bring the actors back for new VO. After reading a handful of reviews it seems like the writing is the worst aspect while the world and combat are tend highlights.
I guess it's mediocrity was forspoken.
Seems like finishing Final Fantasy 15 and doing a next-gen version would’ve been a better investment.
A 6 from IGN is basically a 3 for a normal person
As others have said, this early set of reviews is about where I expected. As such, I’ll keep it on the wishlist for a steep sale, which I assume will occur pretty quickly.
As I said before also, it’s too bad they didn’t hit their initial launch date because I think it might have done better last year when the competition was leaner. This will unfortunately be a small footnote on 2023.
I always expected this to be a 7/10 kind of game. But its a genre I like, and for me it will be enough that I enjoy it, even whilst understanding why others wont.
Not a complete disaster, but not the runaway success Squeenix seem to expect with every release
@Gr8VngnzN4esAngr Gary didn't write the character dialogue. He worked on lore and world building.
Square is just FF at this moment
I feel like I'm gonna like this but I have things to play so I'll wait for a sale
Guess I'm waiting for Hogwarts and just play mh rise in the meanwhile
Not surprised one bit. This game has seemed increasingly dreadful the more we've seen of it.
Aside from the occasional gem like Dragon Quest XI, Square-Enix's best games these days are their smaller releases.
Sounds like it could have something there for some folks. I'll be skipping it myself though. The demo convinced me it's not for me.
About what I was expecting really after the demo. Average. Some like it, some don't. If you gel with it, you'll might have a good enough time.
It looked garbage from the very first trailer shown, no surprise it’s not reviewing well.
"and the freeing sensation of taking off across the landscape in a magically-propelled sprint is sullied by the knowledge that there's nowhere to go or anything fun to do."
I still plan to play this a few years from now when it is in the bargain bin, but still: Ouch.
Tried the demo, its a boring game.
Not exactly shocked as the demo was pretty bad and the lack of review copies to most outlets spoke volumes.
First time Though the demo I wasn’t a fan mainly because I hate games that make you use L2/R2 for combat. Much rather have it on the square and triangle buttons. But once I realized you could use a melee like weapon vs spells I ended up liking it more. Every square game under performes according to them so it’ll be a matter on time (maybe 3 months) and this game will be 30. Remember guardians of the galaxy was amazing and it sold but not well enough for square and that game dropped in price fast
i was expecting solid 7/10 tbh.
the 12hr story is very disappointing.
will wait for sale
the overall variety of enemies isn’t particularly impressive
the freeing sensation of taking off across the landscape in a magically-propelled sprint is sullied by the knowledge that there's nowhere to go or anything fun to do.
My two biggest fears from the footage they released confirmed 💀
I don't care how flashy combat is, if I'm just repetitively blasting big boring rock monsters over and over and over again.
If you can zoom across the map as a mechanic, it probably means there's nothing much to stop and see, because why would they put effort in to creating an in depth world and environment full of wonders, if you are supposed to just skip past at breakneck speed.
6/10 seems very fair or potentially generous now 😭
@UltimateOtaku91 yep yep. Same for me. And to be honest I am hyped because its something I have never played before kind of. And, it only has to keep me busy until PSVR2 is coming. So no need to be negative about everything we get atm. To compare it with babylons fall is simply wrong! It is in fact a game to love or to hate indeed. I will not love but like it very much I think.
The traversal looked great when we first saw it as Project Athia and only went downhill from there. I actually downloaded the demo but couldn't bring myself to start it up. The trailers are so bad, the dialogue makes me cringe and the game can't run at 60 fps. Developers need to understand we want performance.
Exactly what I was expecting. The dialogue in the trailers was godawful.
Sad to see that. The premise is awesome and it could have turned out phenomenal. I'll still play it, just not any time soon, it seems.
Can’t wait. I’m excited to hear the main campaign is 12 hours. The reviews are expectedly all over the place and I can’t wait to decide for myself how I feel about it. Considering that it felt like Sonic Frontiers meets FFXV in the demo, i knew this would be the reaction. If that’s along the lines of what the game is, I’m happy. The Eurogamer review gave me a lot to think I’ll be positive on it.
I'll wait for it to hit PS Plus at some point. The powers and gameplay overall seem alright but not nearly good enough to overcome the putrid writing and beyond obnoxious lead character.
After playing the demo, this one was an easy skip.
Luminous Productions will probably be off to the void to keep Exdeath company very soon 😅
Translation: Buy it on discount.
GameFly just shipped my copy. I'll decide after I play it for a month.
Why Physical media and all its options (rent, trade, used, borrow) should never disappear.
It’s hilarious to see people describing this as “god awful” and “trash” when the reviews suggest a middling reception.
There is such thing as an average game, and you can move along without feeling the need to slander Forspoken to hell and back with second-hand opinions.
Not interested? Play something else. It’s not that serious. Or is bandwagoning more engaging than any of your games right now?
I checked the previous game from these developers - turns out it was Final Fantasy XV. 81 critics, 7.7 users. I don’t know how people could reasonably expect 9 or so game after that. For Hogwarts Legacy fan club - you might want to check MC scores for their oeuvre so far:)
Looked horrible if I'm being honest
Even in the demo, the protagonist came off as a “I don’t care, not interested, I want to go home” individual. Fish out of water is a good description, I like my protagonists cheery or witty, not some spoiled brat.
@DarkTron if you look at metacritic you'll see what I'm saying. They either give a high score or around a 6
@fromjtov Preach the good word, my friend!
The fact that the Dialogue and story/script are so bad isn't surprising but it sucks for Elle Balinska. I like her as a actress, and even some people that have covered the game said they like her but if your given a bad script/bad story theirs not much you can do as a actor/actress.
Their are some good reviews out their and some bad reviews. It all depends on who you follow and trust when it comes to gaming reviews. I can recommend the Easy Allies Review and the Gameinformer, Playstation Lifestyle and Destructoid reviews as well as they did a good job really describing and detailing the game(Also the future Pushsquare one).
This game being a 6-7 is not surprising at all. If it does even a little bit well and it gets a sequel I believe that Square would actually give Luminous or whoever they let make the sequel more time and money to do it. Most reviews kind of say that if given more time this game could have been better. A sequel could help if it actually happens.
I wanted this to be great but I wholly expected a 6-7 out of 10. Especially after the demo.
Watched the first hour & even though the gameplay looks fun. The writing is horrendous.
I cringed so badly throughout that introduction. Especially just before she goes to sleep. I just thought to myself that no one could actually look back at that & think ‘we nailed that scene’.
What a bummer. I wasn´t buying it day one, after all the follow-up trailers made the initial positive impression kind of underwhelming.
Fortunately, this month still got Dead Space as an AAA game to lust after.
The part that amazes me is that this 66 average score is the average among the "safe" select few outlets that Square felt would give them the best reception....... this isn't a 66 out of the general critical landscape, it's a 66 out of cherry picked suckups, and this is the best score it mustered among the bribed! That Gamespot paragraph.....ouch!
This game looked really cool when it was Project Athia. As soon as they named it Forspoken, it started looking more and more directionless. It's funny that even the people that are still hyped about it keep talking about it as $70 filler to keep them busy for a few weeks until something they want more arrives. Aren't there hundreds of games over the past generation and a half one hasn't played yet that are as good or better and half the price by now? Even Cyberpunk offers more. Seriously, it does (now that it works.) And it's cheaper!
@RBMango I think they're asking themselves the same thing right now. And not just exclusive, but TWO YEAR exclusive which is more than they've bought anything else for other than whatever bizarre thing they have going on for FF7R is that keeps extending. I'm guessing Square sold them on a new FF-like from the FFXV team and Sony bought in quickly in need of things to showcase for PS5 launch (remember this was supposed to be out a year or more ago!). I'm also guessing Square took the payout and then spent the money on FFXVI instead of this, Gearbox, ACM-style.
@R1spam Considering they sold all those studios and valuable IP for a measly $300M, way below what I'd think all that was worth, I'm guessing the real purpose of the sale was to bundle up a shipload of debt and pawn it off on anyone that would take it to clear the red off the books. Losing TR and DX was just collateral to dispose of debt.
@KundaliniRising333 Square does run quick sales sometimes. Star Ocean: DF was $43 within weeks (which is kind of surprising because it's actually a really good game overall, unlike this), Diofield saw $43 in a few months too. It's mostly FF/DQ they wait to discount. I agree this is the end of Luminous though. And the Luminous Engine is a big part of the development hell over there I think/ It's garbage and always has been. Crystal Tools 2.0, almost literally. This is probably the last game that's not Unreal Engine from them and that can only be a good thing. Square has not produced one good 3D engine to date since the prerendered background era.
@Shstrick Totally agree. FFXV has a ton of faults but there's still a diamond in that rough, and giving it a proper finishing, proper cleanup, and a "next gen" release that properly put the DLC into the story where it actually belonged would have giving XV a really solid legacy. With a bit of work XV could be a classic that overcomes its flaws. This OTOH will never be anything more than it's 6/10 pedigree.
@j2c Luminous Engine is the problem wither performance. There's no saving it. It took until the power of PS5/XSX to run FFXV at 60fps, but when you do it's a low res blurry mess with a reduced LOD and draw distance that looks like a PS3 game, and it still drops heavily in fps often....just like Forspoken. On PC it runs "ok" but even there struggles considerably considering the age of the game. The engine is just garbage and nothing can fix that. IDK what made them try to use it again for this game after all the trouble it gave them for XV. Like above I think a better use of the money would have been a "next gen" XV remade in UE (like FFXIV was) that wove the DLC into the story proper and finished the actual ending, and let them escape the Luminous Engine permanently.
Played the demo was ok, not as fluid as I thought the whole climbing and moving process would be.
Very generic overall a no buy for me.
And the reviews sort of some it, even if a little harsh overall.
Gamepass filler.. i mean PS+ filler, oh wait it’s on neither of those and just a mediocre game for $70 bucks. Forgot those still existed, as lately all i have read is that when a game launches on a service, corners were cut to make it good and games releasing off services got all the bells and whistles as people buying the game ensures it to be good in some way.. boy it sure is hard to keep up with what couch fans label game development these days. Hope i got this right 😊
I could still see myself playing this down the road when it becomes cheaper.
I rent my games so this is an easy rental and one that I think I might enjoy tbh. I don't think I would have sunk £70 on it though if that was the only option to play it.
As long as the gameplay is still decent, that is all that really matters to me. I'll happily play a game with good gameplay but with sub par story and characters etc. I would struggle if it was the other way round though.
I'll wait for a heavy sale and I mean heavy or for it to show up on PS+.
@NeonPizza Wait, what's wrong with Cool Spot?
@Green-Bandit Going from the demo, the open world in this game makes the open world in Halo Infinite seem exciting and deep........
The dialog is the reason I don't want this game.
@NEStalgia what engine is being used for FF16?
@scoobdoo I'm pretty sure it's UE5.
Edit: Actually I checked and it's unconfirmed. It's definitely NOT using Luminous. Square-Enix proper stopped using it in 2018, and spun off Luminous Productions to be dedicated to making games using Luminous. Considering this is the only game they've made with it......I'd say it's finished.
All we know about XVI's engine is that it's definitely not Luminous, and is a "tried and true" engine. I'd ASSUME that means UE4 or UE5 considering YoshiP led the team that pulled XIV out of Luminous and rebuilt it in UE4. But it could also be Unity or something.
Second edit: I had that backward, XIV was still in Crystal Tools, not Luminous previously. Some have said XIV is a modified Luminous engine, yet, Luminous was discontinued outside this Lumionous Productions spinoff company, so they keep it mysterious.
I was barely interested in this to begin with, especially with so many games coming out this year I'm very interested in, plus a few I still haven't gotten to yet, so this is almost a definite pass for me at this point.
@Green-Bandit lol I said the same thing about callisto protocol, though not nearly as eloquently worded.
@scoobdoo As far as I know, it's not known for sure but last year evidence was found that pointed at it being an enhanced FFXIV engine. Which does make sense.
@NeonPizza Harsh, man. I loved that game! Though I honestly don't remember if I played the Genesis or SNES version at the time which may affect my memory of it.
I agree with you on GoW. I do plan to get back into GoW2018, but I dropped out at the second return to the lake out of sheer boredom, so I absolutely hear you I plan to finish it up and eventually play Ragnarok though, but my expectations are set. GoW3 was peak!
@Green-Bandit Guarantee the ponies in this comments section that are saying ‘it still looks like a good time for what it is!’ would be relentlessly mocking it if it released exactly as is, but on gamepass instead of Playstation
@NEStalgia FFXIV isn't made in UE4. They considered it but it wasn't up to scratch when it came to certain things, apparently.
>"They initially used Unreal Engine 4 and Marmoset for real time visualizations, but found that it didn't work to their satisfaction, so they enhanced FFXIV's engine to enable rendering in a PBR environment."
https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-tech-presentation-might-have-potentially-showed-final-fantasy-xvis-engine-back-in-2018.627274/
@Matroska Sheeh, yeah I remember them saying they were doing it in UE4 and thought it was in that this whole time. I kind of find it hilarous that they found UE4 to be not satisfactory and somehow found Luminous to be so.....that's hideous.
That gives me a bad feeling about XVI that's for sure. This engine with DMC combat? OMG please no, make it stop.
I said this was a flop and it was obvious from the demo but people kept coming @ me with insults,LMAO
It had all the signs of an average game with a blown out marketing campaign
@Sakisa Even the people praising it as looking good for what it is think it looks good as filler to buy them a few weeks while they wait for Hogwarts/PSVR2 though..... that's pretty condemning
I'm buying an Edge controller while I wait for VR2 and that seems like less waste of money to me lol
@NeonPizza "I, too, like the axe." The axe was very satisfying....the problem is after the first 5 hours of the exact same axe loop....satisfaction turned into boredom. It needed variety and bombast and instead it had hallways and the same axe loop. I'm keeping an open mind that Rag got the balance better, but I have to endure 2018 first the rest of the way before I find out. I agree, the slow cinematics got in the way of the fast action which is what GoW was always about, and most of the praise the game gets is for the writing, acting, and cinematics, and too seldom for the gameplay. It's a good game, but it's not amazing to me, it's just a decent but flawed game. 7-8 material, not GOAT material. shrug
@KaijuKaiser sadly, like Mario and Zelda FF is one of those series that can never do wrong, no matter how good or bad it is it's guaranteed 90's. IDK if it'll be a bad or good game, I feel like it's not going to be an RPG at all, just an on rails action game, it'll be totally Westernized.... but.... I figured it'll still be a "good" game just not Final Fantasy. If it's in this engine though....with demanding DMC type combat..... that's not a good thing. This engine has proven to be a blurry sloth over and over. It works in FFXIV because it's slow, plodding and has all the action of a tabletop card game, and the Luminous team is the team that made the darned engine and cant' get much more out of it.
@NeonPizza Also, totally agreed on the 80's early 90's. I'm going through the Yakuza series, trying to get through the immense backlog on that series. Spend the time in 0 for the 80's, and everything in it clicked completely. The look, feel, aesthetics, mood....I didn't even realize how much the 80's clicked with me but suddenly I felt i was in a world that felt like home and understood. Then I went to 2005 in Kiwami and everything felt awful and modern again. That's kind of my problem. The world as of 1989 is the word as it always should be, to me. I'll tolerate up to '93. After that, nuke it. Where do I sign up with the Nora?
Random thought but maybe Sony can take another stab at a sequel for The Order: 1886 now that it seems this game isn't going to do anything for their portfolio.
I really enjoyed that game and it deserves a more fleshed out sequel.
@NEStalgia Hahaha and thats saying something. As much as i love the gunplay of Halo Infinite the open world was awful at best.
Been watching a let's play, it comes across far better than the demo I played.
@KaijuKaiser We'll see what the "larger areas" equate to. I mean XIII was just one giant hallway until you got to "the open area" that was just a giant field. The bigger question is does it have actual towns, NPCs, stores, interactive dialogue, quests, that serve as hubs rather than just waystops in your linear theme park ride. XV did, of course, but XVI has not looked that way.
IX, XII are not "Westernized" The cultural/architectural reference is Western fantasy, but that's not what I mean by Westernized as in a game designed to follow trends of Western media consumption. The grimdark, blood soaked previews we've seen indicate that's where it's gone.
But all that aside, I'm worried with this engine and DMC/Platinum style combat. This engine has very poor performance, or poor graphics if you try to get performance out of it (and still unstable performance), and terrible input latency in every game we've seen that's used it, so those to facets don't sound like a good mix for the type of action game it appears to be.
@Sakisa while i don’t like to stir the pot that is the console war. I would have to agree. I will start by saying i own all 3 consoles and use them for what i like about them best. They all bring me joy to my hobby or i wouldn’t have bought them. But for how much i heard GP is for indies and how much AAA games will take a hit on quality cause they are day and date in a service, i had to make my comment. I never believed GP or PS+ would result in games being made worse than if they weren’t going to a service. Why would a developer make the game worse when it will not only be on GP, but on PC and PlayStation, Xbox, and both sold in Physical, digital and service. That never made sense to me. Then when others started to see that MS was buying large studios with AAA games so they could put them day one in the service, is when attention shifted to MS is buying the industry out and GP will hurt PS as Sony can’t provide those types of games in PS+ financially. If Jim Ryan is saying they can’t compete with GP, that should be all the proof anyone needs that it won’t just be indies and watered down AA games forever. Jim knows COD, Diablo, Starfield, Elder Scrolls and Doom any many many others are coming to the service. He ain’t dumb.
@Cherip-the-Ripper same deal buddy, that game was talking a lot about how a service wouldn’t be good for it, and i respect that. Ultimately it’s up to the dev’s if they want to distribute their games that way or not. But sales were weak for it, the game was far from a standout, even in a window of nothing heavy launched against it and now they are saying they didn’t meet their 5 million target goal. So that is the risk and reward they took. Nothing wrong with it. However had it come to GP and PS+ it might have got more players and some might have enjoyed it more and the dev would gotten subscription money. New IP’s are starting to get really hard to launch and they need to be really well made, cause $70 dollars have forced a lot of gamers to heavily trust and lean on reviews more so than when games were a little cheaper. Last point i also think is strange while i am on my soap box today HAHA, i heard gamers say GP and PS+ won’t make devs enough money, these devs need the sales of physical and digital to survive, and while there is a lot of truth in that, what they don’t realize is is in the same sentence they will say well i will wait for that game to hit $20 or $30 dollars and buy it, that don’t make the dev much money at all, or i will buy it used or play a friends copy, that makes the dev nothing, so in both those examples GP and PS+ pay the dev more. Furthering my belief that subscription will become more and more important in the future to both the dev teams and the players, and full price sales will never go away for those that prefer that model. Rant over, thanks for listening HAHA
@KaijuKaiser "Looks worthy to be a PS5 title" I'd argue a focus on "graphics" is what lead to 6/10 Forspoken and a 10 year turn around for XV. But again this engine doesn't actually do that. It produces great graphics for stills and ultra powered PCs brute forcing it. If you tune it to run smooth it produces some of the most squalid graphics in modern gaming and still doesn't perform very well. Now, I don't know what the XVI team has done to dune it for their use, but I do know what Luminous, the actual group behind the engine has done with it TODAY based on the reviews of this game, and my own demo play, and not much has improved. If the XVI team did that much engine work to change that, it's a miracle.
I don't think turning FF into grimdark bloodbaths is "evolution." I think that's "pandering to Western media trends in chase of profits." Kind of like Forspoken dropping F-bombs every 12 seconds. Maybe or maybe not with Sony leaning on them to do so in both cases. I'm pretty sure 7R is doing just fine without following that trend though.
@Green-Bandit you're speaking nothing but facts my man, keep at it. I'll be looking forward to your future comments 😎
I have never had a problem with the dialogue. I have my copy arriving tomorrow, but now I might actually try the demo before opening it. I have little doubt I'd still enjoy it despite some not liking it and others jumping on those negative reviews because they wrote it off from the beginning because of the dialogue, but $70 is a lot. I hope the demo clicks with me and I keep it. We'll see.
Yep, will be on PS++ within 6 months and I'll give it a run when it's part of the package. No need to open the wallet again for these level of games in today's market. You know it will be "free" within the year
@KaijuKaiser I'm naturally skeptical. It's the result of being an FF fan since PS1. I'm used to square hurting me. 😂
Everything they showed so far seems gratuitously bloody. Which, with the DMC guy involved isn't surprising.. and I like dmc. But I don't want ff to become dmc. That's what SoP is for.
Westernizing a Japanese title usually means chasing perceived trends while ignoring the reason existing fans even in the west likes the franchise to begin with to try to get a different market. Usually that fails, and even when it succeeds it tends to just leave the existing fans jaded. Like your favorite rock band becoming a dubstep producer instead
Forspoken is a giant shining 6/10 neon beacon of this problem.
But the engine has be worried. Luminous simply can not handle fast, tight combat. And can't look good and run smooth at the same time.
I originally had every intention of buying this day one, now I'll be waiting for the game to be $30 New or cheaper in a few years.
Oh well, gives me more time to play thru both SpongeBob Battle for Bikini Bottom & SpongeBob The Cosmic Shake.
@Cherip-the-Ripper appreciate it man. I get on these type of rants here and there. Normally i am here for the good games and fun of it all. But i do read some of these post and ask myself why did gaming culture turn so ugly and uneducated towards one another. Kinda sad honestly. Let’s hope for it all to change 😊
Sounds like the For spoken devs hung out with the Velma animators. What's with making protagonists incredibly unlikeable in modern media nowadays?
6 and 7's are usually my jam as I can overlook a lot of flaws if other elements make up for it. Spiders and Piranha Byte are examples of devs who make such games.
Unfortunately Forspoken seems like the wrong kind of flawed gem for me. But I suspect it will appeal to some people, so I doubt we have another Babylon's Fall on our hands.
Problem with this title it doesn’t excel at anything to make it worthwhile. Technically as you noted from DF it’s more miss than hit (lighting and performance and texture issues are very bad), the story seems to be not that great initially and lastly the open world isn’t really interesting in the sense lots of cool emergent discoveries like Elden Ring.
So I’ll give it a miss. If it was technically astonishing then I may have waited for price drop. But as I said I really can’t find any redeeming features. Shame, as I was hoping this turned out to be good (I do like the traversal animation though).
@NeonPizza Yeah, there's always overlap at the beginning and end of decades, it doesn't just change on new years day from 80's to 90's, but I'd say, yeah, that sort of 95 mid-point is when things started changing.
Some might say it's just nostalgia for a specific time or whatnot, but it's not. I get the idea we're both stuck in a particular bracket of "in between" time. The technological revolution that began in earnest around then changed things at an unprecedented rapid rate, and I'd say a very unhealthy rate.
What strikes me is kind of like you said, it feels like we come from an foreign culture entirely. That period ending in maybe 93-95 felt more like the world of the 1950s than the world of 1999 felt like the world of 1991. More changed in that 10 year period than had changed in the prior 40 year period. I find I have more in common with people in their 60s and 70's than people just a few years younger than myself, because the world I grew up in and learned to live in is mostly not so different than the 60 and 70 somethings and is unrecognizable to those just a few years younger. It's not just fashion or style, it's the whole way of life and way of interacting with the world radically changed.
Worse, if one could adapt to that change there was a second seismic shift in the cell phone period, so we're now two entire civilizations removed from the modern world, but not old enough to fit in with the elderly crowd that had most of their life in the old world.
Every year will still have Super Metroid though because Nintendo will continue selling it to us at full price every few years forever
100% agree though, the 2010s went from bad to so far over the cliff I can't see the cliff anymore. I'm not sure what happened or how it went so fast but I assume much of it is just due to the percentage of now adult population that never knew our world existed outside history books they were forced to read. It's very much unhealthy though to have such dramatic change, not once, but twice in a single lifetime, and very likely a third on the way. No other group in history short of war torn societies have ever had to endure that, and the people of said war torn results never returned to "normal" in their lifetimes, always existing sort of in a pocket outside the rest of the society. I'm good with 85-94 on repeat....I need the time machine!
Just waiting on mine to show up in the mail.
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