Topic: 4k TV Recommendations

@kyleforrester87: I'm all for buying decent tech. But at the cost of £1200 that's over halfway for a boss holiday with the family, or a new 3 piece suite with change etc etc. For a TV my top budget would be £600.

@themcnoisy: To be fair I'm not big on holidays and especially not putting down huge sums of money on them, I'd rather take the TV if I'm honest, but I do get where you are coming from!

@BAMozzy: Thanks, I'll check out AVforums when I want to pick up a 4K TV with HDR. I've have also come to realize that '4K console gaming' is going to be pushed aggressively.

I think 6-12 months after the Scorpio launches we will see a PS4 Pro+ which will offer true 4K gaming & be the real competitor to the Scorpio. Its going to be looong time before we even see the PS5.

@themcnoisy: I don't go on Holidays so the money I would/could spend on that goes on a TV - something that benefits me for 5yrs+ (I have a 6yr warranty on my TV so expect it to last that long at least). I look at it as a cost per year so a £1200 TV (for example) works out at £200 a year for the 6yrs I have warranty so won't need to spend on repairs or replacements - that's less than 50p a day and for the amount of use mine gets - 8hrs+ - Its not that bad. I admit, I spent 'more' than £1200 - quite a bit more but the same principal was applied. I don't drink, don't own a mobile or car, so I don't have a lot of the 'big' overheads like Mobile contracts/bills, car maintenance, insurance and running costs, don't go on Holiday or socialising in pubs/cinema trips etc - all of which really adds up so I can buy a TV that others may see as expensive (although compared to other 4k HDR TV's its relatively cheap. My first HD TV cost over £2000 (a 46" TV without smart, 3D etc) and that was a time when I did run a car/mobile etc. That was back when DVD players were very expensive with 1080p upscaling! So to buy a 4k smart TV with HDR (which also gives SDR a much better picture because of the better Black quality) for less isn't too bad. You can buy a 'non-big-branded' 4k HDR TV for the kind of price you are looking at but I don't know how good it will be for 'gaming' input lag - you could probably find out easy enough.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hisense-55-Inch-Widescreen-Smart-Fre... only £800 for a 55" 4k HDR TV

@Fight_Teza_Fight: Native 4k with HDR is the next logical step visually. Not just for gaming but for all media too. Unless you sit within a certain distance depending on screen size, you will not see any real benefit of 4k alone but HDR is literally night and day difference. Its very difficult to describe which makes it far more difficult to sell. VR at least people have an idea of what they are going for, what it can potentially offer but HDR is something else. More colours (How can more colours make a difference), wider colour gamut (What does that actually mean), greater contrast ratio (my TV looks bright enough) but until you actually see what all this means together, its difficult to conceptualise. The only way is literally to go to a retailer and ask to see a HDR demo - the compare it to SDR. Supermans cape in SDR looks like its a dirty brownish red after seeing it in HDR which looks so vibrant and bright. It took me a while to associate that cape with 'red' again in SDR. Sparks and lightning look more realistically bright and 'alive', they look so different in SDR. It really has to be experienced first hand.

If you are (or not) even remotely interested in buying a 4k HDR TV, the first course of action should be to go and see what HDR can actually offer. If you were undecided before but felt you 'should' because of all the talk about it that will really help. I can see what the potential of those games shown would look like in HDR because I have HDR. I can see where it will be used to spectacular effect (like the 'Days Gone' Molotov clip) and where it will be more subtle but still impressive.

Gaming is made for HDR - more so than other media!

@themcnoisy I am with you on what I would spend on a TV. The prices are coming down on 4k Tv's but I will wait until more generations of the tech have passed before I will buy one. Plus I only really change my TV when it breaks. There really is not enough content on 4k at the moment and streaming is out of the question.

Good thread. I have been doing some window shopping online and I'm a bit overwhelmed. There are so many options. I really don't have the room for a 50+ inch TV. My entertainment center holds a 43 inch TV perfectly. I really don't want to buy a PS4 Pro,4K TV and a new entertainment center.

Not having a 4K Blu-ray is really a strange decision and a big omission. Andre House said, "Our feeling is that while physical media continues to be a big part of the games business, we see a trend on video towards streaming," The problem here is while video towards streaming is now a big trend not everyone has internet connection that can stream 4K content.

@WanderingBullet: I agree about the 4k Streaming. My internet is sufficient though personally but I have no desire to take out more subscriptions to things like Netflix. I already pay for SkyQ and a TV Licence as well as an 'extra' subscription to BT Sports. That provides me with more than enough options to watch what I want and when I want too. My, and I believe all, 4k HDR TV's have access to the same video apps found on Console. My TV has access to Netflix, Amazon and of course 4k youtube so I don't 'need' these on a console.

Personally I feel Sony's decision not to upgrade the Bluray player came down to cost and retail of the console. If you compare the price of the 1TB XB1s to the 1TB PS4 Pro, the difference is only £50 but the PS4 is over 3x as powerful. Most significantly though, the Pro is still under $400. Maybe they could have compromised a bit on the HDD and stuck in a 500GB model, scaled back some where else - like remove the optical and extra USB 3.0 - to add in a 4k HDR bluray player to try and keep the cost to $400 or less but ultimately the PS4 Pro was built to enhance the gaming experience first and foremost. The ability to natively hit 4k in gaming means the HDMI must have a HDMI 2.0 port which is all that is required for video streaming - virtually the only thing stopping the PS4 from offering 4k Streaming - the hardware is more than capable of running the Apps but not outputting it to a 4k TV.
The PS4 Pro does 'everything' the PS4 does but its an enhanced 'gaming' version. Its the 'enhanced' gaming side that enables the console to stream at 4k (because the gaming side requires a higher standard of HDMi) as a by-product at no extra cost to Sony.

For people who are interested in buying a 4K HDR TV, not just for the PS4 Pro but for any PS4 (or even the XB1s) as HDR is coming to those as well, here is a List of 4k HDR TVs, the overall rating (from RTING), the input lag in game mode and the input lag whilst using HDR.

LG E6 OLED: 8.4: minimum input lag 34.2 ms: HDR input lag 50.7 ms
LG B6 OLED: 8.3: minimum input lag 54.3 ms: HDR input lag 62.8 ms
Samsung KS9000: 8.2: minimum input lag 20.5 ms: HDR input lag 22.6 ms
Samsung KS8000: 8.2: minimum input lag 20.5 ms: HDR input lag 22.6 ms
Samsung KS7000: 8.2: minimum input lag 20.9 ms: HDR input lag 22.6 ms
Samsung KS7500: 8.2: minimum input lag 23.1 ms: HDR input lag 22.6 ms
Vizio P series; P50/55/65/75-C1 2016: 8.2: minimum input lag 19.1 ms: HDR input lag 65.2 ms
Sony X930D: 8.1: minimum input lag 52.3 ms: HDR input lag not specified/tested yet
LG UH8500: 7.8: minimum input lag 26.9 ms: HDR input lag not specified/tested yet
Samsung JS8500: 7.7: minimum input lag 36.9 ms: HDR input lag not specified/tested yet
LG EG9600: 7.7: minimum input lag 50.1 ms: HDR input lag not specified/tested yet
Samsung JS9000: 7.7: minimum input lag 23.6 ms: HDR input lag not specified/tested yet
LG EF9500: 7.6: minimum input lag 53.5 ms: HDR input lag not specified/tested yet
Sony X850D: 7.5: minimum input lag 34.6 ms: HDR input lag not specified/tested yet
Sony X850C: 7.5: minimum input lag 39.5 ms: HDR input lag not specified/tested yet
Sony X800D: 7.5: minimum input lag 33.3 ms: HDR input lag 33.3 ms
Vizio M Series 2016: 7.4: minimum input lag 19.8 ms: HDR input lag 63.4 ms
LG UH7700: 7.4: minimum input lag: 33.9 ms: HDR input lag not specified/tested yet
Sony X900C: 7.6: minimum input lag: 35.1 ms: HDR input lag HDR latency 70.2 ms (TV doesn't allow HDR in game mode)
Samsung KU7000: 7.0: minimum input lag: 24.7 ms: HDR input lag: 24.7
Samsung JS7000: 7.0: minimum input lag 27.4 ms: HDR input lag not specified/tested yet
Samsung KU6300: 6.8: minimum input lag 19.8 ms: HDR input lag not specified/tested yet
LG UH6100: 6.6: minimum input lag 39.7 ms: HDR input lag not specified/tested yet

Please note that not all of these TVs support HDR in game mode, only in movie mode, for some that means the input lag goes way, way up! Please note that most of the TVs with HDR rated 7.5 or less were originally HDR 8 but received updates to make it support HDR 10, so you will notice some differences between them and higher rated TVs. These TV's are also not UHD Certified because they don't reach the minimum specs for HDR10 but will still offer a percentage of that experience.

Also, it's important to note that each TV is widely different than other ones based on different qualities, such as Design, Picture Quality, Inputs, Sound Quality, and other features. Different TVs have different ratings in categories, such as Movies, Sports, TV shows, Video Games, PC monitor, so I strongly advise you to read reviews and ratings for each and every TV to select the best possible option for you. This is just a list of how each TV will respond with HDR Games. The lower the input lag, the more responsive experience.

Personally I would recommend looking for a TV that passes the UHD Certification. Whilst a lot is made about the wider colours and higher peak brightness, HDR also requires darker blacks too. This can make the colours pop even more (also great for other sources). OLED, with its self emitting light per pixel has the best blacks. LED's require 'back lighting' and as HDR requires the back-lights to be on MAX, this can make blacks appear less black on a some screens. To be HDR certified, Not only do LED's have to have at least 1000nits peak brightness but blacks have to be at least 0.05 nits too. A lot of these TV's (the bottom half) don't fall within these specs...

Hope you find this useful....

Looks like the Samsung KS series has the least input lag, and scored good ratings as well.

I love mine!! PQ is amazing! Works great for gaming too...

As I said though, other TV's have their strengths too so you may find that a different TV suits your personal circumstances (what you use a TV for most of all, your budget etc) better than the KS series overall. It can't be beat on input lag with a full HDR image though...

I had a quick look at the weekend for a 4k smart tv with 3d (I already have lots of 3d blu rays) and at 40inch. The results all seemed to cost more than my house so I will more than likely wait!

@Rudy_Manchego: The majority of high end 4k tvs have dropped 3D already. It's a shame for those that enjoyed it (I was still on the fence, really enjoyed Trine and Motorstorm in 3D but generally didn't use it) that it's died out as a tech already, especially for someone like yourself who bought into 3D blu-ray.

I have a Sony 55" 4K that I picked up last year (KD55X8509CBU from Richer Sounds) and I love it. I don't find any issues with gaming, although I don't play fighting games, and my main types of games are FPS, driving and currently spending a massive amount of time in the Dark Souls universe.

@roe: Yeah - I bought into it knowing it was a dying tech, and truthfully, a lot of my 3d blu rays were second hand though I have bought some brand new 3d releases. It seems a shame not to include it on high end tvs, at least for a few more years but hey, that is technology for you.

Personally, I never liked 3d at cinemas but love it on my tv, the picture quality and experience is great.

This is the future of VR

@Mega-Gazz: Quite possibly. Although I'm excited about VR, I think early adopters should absolutely be prepared for it to just not catch on at all.

I have the Samsung KS8000, do you know what modes this supports in HDR? Last I checked it was movie and standard modes but I use natural mode with the settings I've tweaked.

I use the tv mainly for gaming but don't use game mode as it degrades graphics and tbh I've never felt the need to use it, even with games like CoD and FIFA, they run perfectly fine without game mode.

@MaccaMUFC: I have the KS8000 too but always use Game Mode. The Input lag is far too high for my tastes - around 0.12s compared to 0.02s but if that's what you are used to then that's your choice. Gaming certainly doesn't affect my image at all in my opinion. I don't like that 'filter' that non-gaming modes add but that's my preference. As far as I know its still just Standard and Movie mode that will play HDR though at the moment but Samsung don't exactly list what each firmware update adds. I guess you will just have to try a HDR clip/movie and see if it works in that mode.