Topic: PlayStation 5 --OT--

Still waiting on Best Buy

The Game Collection have the digital version in stock:

https://www.thegamecollection.net/playstation-5-console-digit...

@BAMozzy I'm not reading that, it's far too long and most of it is drivel. Cerny confirmed in the road to PS5 event that there was an M.2 drive bay inside the PS5 to expand and add to the PS5's SSD, and that any expansion would need to be compatible with the PS5's SSD. That was all my comment was about. The rest of your comment was utterly superfluous. Learn to self edit, or just get a blog.

@TheFrenchiestFry the Spider-Man debacle is interesting. Me personally? I think it's BS. I accept that both Insomniac and Remedy have actually done a hell of a lot to Spider-Man and Control respectively. In the case of Control there's an entirely new render and physics pipeline, and the list of what has been done to the Spider-Man remaster for PS5 is actually seriously extensive. I get that work costs, I do. However, with so many teams offering free upgrades to PS5 version for games, many of which do as much as these two games I find it hard to swallow I'll be honest. As always vote with your money people.

@SirAngry Insomniac need to release a trailer that chucks a whole bunch of buzzwords that people understand. Ray tracing, native 4K, zero load times. Even if the improvements are mostly under the hood so to speak, gamers don’t care about that stuff unless it’s jargon they recognise.

@nessisonett At that point they might as well call the game Spider-Man Teraflopped and everyone would place Miles Morales UE on pre order

@TheFrenchiestFry I’d say they should show off their Floating Light Operations but I’m worried the game would FLOP.

@DonJorginho I think that is what most people with a bit of common sense are going to be doing. I have a 4TB external hdd which I transfer the games i want to play to PS4 internal drive, as that is upgraded and slightly faster. I will just continue to do the same with my PS5. The SSD will speed up that process up too.

@Kidfried Good luck, i will, have my fingers crossed for you!

@SirAngry No I won't! There is NOTHING to say that I cannot express my opinions or have to keep my posts to a certain length at all. If you don't want to read or are incapable of reading a post that has more than a paragraph, that is YOUR issue, not mine. Its not my fault you (or others) have such a short attention span - that's just the kids of today who can only cope with Twitter....

Regardless of whether Sony stated that they have a Bay for the SSD, they did not say that Bay was purely for an 'expansion' SSD or whether that was being used by their only 'internal' SSD. It was vague - so much so that many others, including Digital Foundry, also thought that the SSD was replaceable - much like Sony opted to do for the PS4 generation. What they said was that they will be supporting certain M.2 drives on the PS5, these are drives you can buy on the open market and install in a bay on the PS5. Timestamped video

The PS4/Pro supported certain SATA HDD's (2.5") in a bay too so, like a lot of others, it was assumed that Sony would have a similar system and even today, it has not been confirmed officially how Sony's SSD is connected internally - whether that was fixed to the motherboard or replaceable. It was NOT made clear at the GDC presentation either - as the video above shows.

The rest of my post is NOT superfluous at all as its still relevant. An Expansion - whether its replacing an internal or slotting into a 'bay' is still more expensive for PS5 than it is for Xbox - this after a post mocking the price about the price of the Xbox expansion. Its still not as simple as just plugging a card in either so its still a relevant point.

The response was NOT aimed at you who seem to think your opinions are somehow worth more than anyone elses and then appear ignorant too - that maybe your way, but you certainly do not get to tell me what I can or cannot do, how long/short my posts must be and if you are too ignorant to read them, so be it - but don't tell me what I can or cannot do! Talk about having an apt user name!!! LOL

With people mocking Xbox owners over the price of the expansion card, I think its totally relevant to consider the cost and ease of expanding the PS5 by the same 1TB amount and the hassle of swapping IF you subsequently want to add more storage after. There will be a lot of people who will want to have adequate storage to start playing start away without having to transfer games from HDD to SSD - especially with HDD read/write times...

@nessisonett I know you're being sarcastic, but the sad truth is you are right. If they mentioned the addition of PBR and real-time physics based destruction and deformation and threw in some buzzwords fanboys would lap in up... but it still sucks. We're seeing studios port games up to 5 years old and make them free upgrades. I think 505 Games and Sony might have got it right from a business perspective, but from a PR / doing the right thing perspective... they've got it very, very wrong.

@nessisonett But again, others are adding RT, Native 4k, 60/120fps, High resolution textures, increased draw distances with increased LoDs and numerous other upgrades for free. Its not just a resolution bump and/or frame rate bump in a lot of these - although God of War 3 remaster was essentially a frame rate jump and Last of Us remastered too had very minor improvements outside of the frame rate/resolution boost.

I don't think it matters too much what Sony would put out to try and justify charging for an enhanced version for those that have already purchased the game as people will just point to other developers that are offering a free 'next gen' version of their game - regardless of what is added. Like I said, others are offering more than just a resolution/frame rate boost so regardless of what gets listed or demonstrated, people will still point to others that are offering a 'substantial' list of improvements for free.

@BAMozzy I dunno, the words ‘Witcher 3’ and ‘ray tracing’ in the same sentence have a certain subculture of gamers squirming in their seats. Image is just as important as actual technical improvements here, the average gamer has little to no knowledge of how these things work.

If Insomniac came out and said that the PS5 version improved each and every physics algorithm in a way that it was performed in a tenth of the time(which would be somewhat impressive lmao), about 5 people would sit up and applaud them for putting in a whole load of work. It’s only the tangible/recognisable benefits that make the port seem ‘sexy’, so for example them demonstrating physics calculations being faster allowing for more complicated physics being applied to more objects, such as manhole covers now bouncing realistically off objects such as cars.

Those are the tiny details I can get behind, when you play older games, the environment feels like a painted shape at times instead of a collection of objects. I want more cohesion and tighter, living worlds on PS5 as opposed to vaster worlds.

@Arugula That is what tipped my decision over the edge, not being convinced my ps4 would last 6 months after the PS5 launches (my original plan). Hope you get your pre-order!

@nessisonett I don't know what enhancements will be coming to the Witcher 3 nor Cyberpunk but there is expectation Cyberpunk will add some ray traced effects. I don't really expect 'older' games to do something 'different' just because they are now on a new generation - other than load quicker. I expect the game to look visually better and maybe play at a higher frame rate. Use the extra resources in that way...

New games built from the ground up to take advantage of the hardware makes sense to have aspects that couldn't be down before. You can argue that increasing the particle quality is showcasing the increased physics capability of the new hardware, using High Res textures is possible because of the SSD throughput, RT effects because of the Hardware Acceleration etc but they are, in general, visual improvements and a lot more than just raising the resolution from 1080p to 4k and capping the frame rate at 60fps instead of 30fps.

There is a wide range of what seems to constitute as a 'remaster' - from simply porting the game and changing the output resolution to literally remaking the game from scratch to the same 'exact' layout so it offers the exact same game-play experience.There are numerous remasters that offer nothing more than an increased resolution.

Everyone of the older games that are being 'enhanced', upgraded etc for free has had developers spending time on the game so I know there is a 'cost' involved. Its just that some seem willing to do that for their customers who have already invested money into buying the game on the current hardware and others seem to want to make those customers pay again to get an upgraded version. From what I understand about Gears 5 for example, they took 2 weeks porting the game over, getting it up and running and changing all the settings to 'ultra' to see how it runs. If you own the game - either on disc or digitally, it will install the 'new' version to your SSD - they could put that new version on disc and sell it as a remaster but point is, they have spent time on getting it up and running, adding high res textures, 4k/60 cut scenes changed the lighting, increased particles 50% higher than PC's ultra setting, optimised the MP to tun at 120fps etc for free and it doesn't matter what Sony does, the fact that MS is doing that for free, as well as other companies offering Free upgrades more than just 'bumping resolution/frame rates', doesn't look good regardless of what 'work' Insomniac has done. It will still be a 4k/60 'upgrade' with other 'visual' improvements.

A lot of the conversation had been leading towards a generation that remasters would not be sold but 'free' for those that already owned the game. That can of course still lead to sales of the old game as newcomers may be tempted to buy. It would be a kick in the teeth to those that bought Last of Us 2 or Ghost of Tsushima for example if these were re-released as a remastered version instead of free upgrade too.

I don't think anyone really expects a remaster to be a significant change from the original - the game-play is expected to be the same experience with visual and maybe just performance upgrades - like Last of Us, Tomb Raider, Nathan Drake collection etc. You almost expect it from EA or Activision but Sony??

I did wonder as Sony certainly released a lot of remasters/remakes this gen and I did wonder whether they would be willing to give up that revenue source...

Well, I’m 6 hours into waiting for GameStop to open up for PS5 pre-orders. I've got 6 hours to go.

Seen someone from Very say they'll drop another 10,000 units at somepoint from 11:30 onwards. So if you're still looking, get on Very.

Managed to bag PS5 #2

(Only keeping one so whichever doesn't come earliest am happy to give to someone on here who hasn't secured a PS5 Digital Edition)

@phil_j Hmmm, I've been on the Very website on and off all day, and just get the same old 'stock coming soon' message they've had all week.

The only uk site I've seen it in stock so far is Smyth, but the site keeps crashing.

@Kidfried I have, but I am checking for a friend who does not have access to the Internet as easily as me. Plus I wouldn't mind getting a disc version and maybe selling the one I have to a friend or family member.