Topic: PlayStation 5 --OT--

@JJ2 I wonder how long Fallout 4 will be part of the PS Plus collection?

@nessisonett You are on a proper poo pooing mission recently! 😂

@JohnnyShoulder
I wonder how the whole game collection is going to evolve. 🤷‍♂️

I'm glad Cerny went with 3rd party SSD expansion.
It will be expensive too in the first year but it's more likely to give plenty of choice as time goes.

Edit
If they did this, there would be riots now.

Yeah, let's wait and see how expensive the options are going to be on PS5...

@JJ2 Ouch that will sting. For the first year or so I'm just going to get the games on disc as I have a massive digital backlog anyway. Might even limit myself to first party games unless I hear really great things about other big games, That way I don't have to worry about storage for a while!

@Octane Those higher profit margins would exist regardless of whether the game is exclusive or not on their platform. They could entice you to buy the hardware by making all first party games available 1 month sooner on Playstation and offer bigger discounts on their first party items in the store for example as 'incentive' to be a Playstation owner.

Being the best platform (whatever that means to someone) should be the reason to buy - not forced to buy because it has a few games a year different to everyone else. Being the 'best' could mean best value, best controller, most powerful, best features, best package - etc. I doubt Sony would suddenly not sell any consoles just because all games are available to everyone. No doubt they would entice you buy their platform based on hardware and services (Game Pass, PS+ etc) or could even find online charges gone.

Games would still have the big profit margins on their own platforms and would generate income from being sold to a much larger user base. Exclusives cannot reach the numbers that 3rd party can, they are never going to sell to their potential. It works both ways too and whilst I know MS may not have had many exclusives this past gen, you wouldn't miss out on games like Starfield, Elder Scrolls, Doom, Hellblade or any other games that are or could be exclusives in the future. On other platforms, Sony would be just another Publisher and on their own hardware, can still use their software to entice you to sign up by offering incentives like early access, beta access, discounts in store - maybe do something like Game Pass so you get their first party games day 1 whilst the rest of world pays full price.

Point is, they could offer other incentives, still use 'first party' software to entice you to buy their platform in some way without limiting the games to that platform. As a 'Sony' platform holder, you could get early access, discounts etc on first party software and still play EVERY game released without having to buy Xbox for example...

@JJ2 I have a feeling that Sony's solution will be a lot more expensive per TB as it has a lot more bandwidth and a lot more channels too. You will need a PCIe 4.0 SSD that 'fits' inside - meaning that you will have to remove the internal storage that comes with the console and replace it with one that fits and can be cooled by the System. That means that to get a 2TB console, you will need to buy a 2TB internal SSD where as on MS's console, you just need to buy a 1TB expansion.

Also, with the external solution, you can buy multiple cards and effectively have 'limitless' storage - OK so you may have to swap cards if you want to play a game on a different card - but you have that option. On Sony''s, if you want to increase your storage again, you would have to buy a 3 or 4TB internal (assuming these exist and fit). I don't know if you will be able to buy a second internal and just swap them back and forth - but in any case its a lot more hassle than just taking a card out and putting in another.

I am not saying one is a better solution than the other, just that I expect Sony's solution will be more expensive because of the need for PCIe 4.0 to 'work' like their own internal solution. I know MS's is 'expensive' right now but if that's £200 for a TB with NVMe, how much do you think PCIe 4.0 2TB will cost?

@BAMozzy Where you getting the having to remove the internal storage bit from? Pretty sure Cerny said there will be an expansion slot.

@BAMozzy good luck removing the PS5's SSD, it's soldered onto the motherboard. Let me know how that goes. I expect you to upload a video screwing up your PS5.

@phil_j
I told him long ago but its like he s in his own bubble. Idk

@SirAngry And an invalidated warranty no doubt.

@JJ2 https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/09/this_could_be_the_fir...

Looks like it's going to be similarly priced

@Octane Oh but it’s not proprietary so it’s ok. You hear that, the sounds of goalposts shifting?

@Octane
I said it would be expensive the first year (even though its faster).
People try to put words in my mouth of course.
I wonder why??? 🤔

Edit
Yes I know why.
Keyboard fighting, keyboard warrior stuff. Ridiculous

@phil_j @SirAngry I was basing that on an Article by Eurogamer after the GDC breakdown. However, just checking the article again, they have updated it with this statement:

Update: An earlier version of this article said the storage expansion process would require users to "replace the internal SSD with a larger drive". Sony has not clarified either way whether additional storage will be a replacement, or an addition, to the 825GB drive offered at launch. We'll continue to update this article with further clarifications when we hear more.

So far, that article hasn't clarified either way and I have NOT seen any article or information from Sony that stated clearly that they will have an internal bay to 'Expand' so I had no reason to believe otherwise.

Now with the news about Samsungs new card, and its pricing, its still more expensive per TB - even if its 'more' reasonably priced than I expected.

There are still some points that are still valid, even if I am wrong about the way Sony's system is built. You still have more hassle swapping an internal HDD than plugging a card in and out of the back with NO need to even turn the system off. It may be possible to swap internal SSD's over with 'relative' ease but its not as simple as pulling a small card out the back and pushing a new one in - if you needed too.

Assuming that Samsung card is suitable, its still more expensive - even if by a 'small' margin and considering the post I was responding too said 'If Sony did this, there would be riots' on a cheaper 1TB expansion card, its still valid. I wouldn't be surprised if 3rd Party Expansion Cards come along too - after all, Xbox 'branded' external HDD's were more expensive than the exact same HDD from the same manufacture without the Xbox branding.

Sony's PS4 had a replaceable internal HDD as you know and you were 'free' to look around and buy any suitable HDD. The GDC talk also made it sound as if this option would be the way they were handling SSD's on the PS5 and Sony themselves haven't come out to clarify the situation - obviously the images of the console show no external expansion slot either and as far as I know, no internal images have been officially revealed.

Anyway, its 'better' than they led me (and numerous others it seems) to believe but its still not going to be cheap to raise the storage by 1TB, slightly more than on Xbox - at least you don't have to replace the internal and reload the OS like you do with PS4!

I do expect prices to drop - but I do expect the expansion cards to drop faster because of the bandwidth and channels. The connection has to be a 'cheaper' solution and I expect third party options to come along too. Obviously in the first year or so, its going to be 'expensive' for BOTH! I am surprised though that Samsungs card is as cheap as it is...

A solution for the storage issues of Next-Gen, well my solution anyway!

Buy a 2-4TB External HDD and use that as your storage device for both PS4 backwards compatible titles, and also as a way to transfer PS5 games to and from the console.

Got a title you wanna play later on during your week but need to make space asap? Just transfer it to the HDD and when you need to play it again you can simply transfer it back.

£69 can grab you a good quality HDD with 2 TB compared to $90 for a measly 250GB (albeit it an SSD) that will barely last you a few Warzone patches! And even if that lasts you a while, eventually you will have to upgrade your SSD to a bigger amount, seeing as Xbox are doing this with the HDD support and Sony are already allowing BC Games to be playable off External HDDs. I see this being possible.

So Spider-Man is a PS4 game that can be played natively on PS5 but is getting a PS5 remaster which adds certain enhancements not present in the PS4 game but the PS4 game can still be played on PS5 but the PS4 version's saves can't be carried over to the PS5 version even though the PS5 version is structurally the exact same game as the PS4 version and is bundled with a PS5 game that is also available on PS4, and that PS4 game has cross save functionality with the PS5 version but the PS5 version of the former game is completely seperate from the PS4 version even though the PS4 version can be played on PS5

y'know say what you will about PS5 having the better game lineup and game showcases, and I'd even be with you on that, but their PR has been abysmal compared to Microsoft imo

@TheFrenchiestFry Maybe it’s a brainwashing technique. Bamboozle people into buying Playstation.

@nessisonett It was written the HYDRA texts

It's not "ready to comply" it's "ready to buy"