Topic: PlayStation 5 --OT--

@KirbyTheVampire Game sent me an email about stock being available the day before, but when I got one i was just randomly checking. I did make a point of checking just after midnight as I thought there would be less traffic. The same happened when I got one before but that was from a different site and at about 6 in the evening.

@JohnnyShoulder Ahh gotcha, tyty.

On another note, do you guys anticipate God of War 2 will be cross-gen? Cause if so, the PS5 is gonna feel a lot like the PS4 2.0.

@KirbyTheVampire I’ll be surprised if the next God of War wasn’t on PS4. I remember when people asking whether they would be DLC for the PS4 God of War game. The developer said that they had started work on DLC. But it has expanded beyond the scope of DLC and would be a full game.

It’s possible they could of switch to targeting only the PS5 but given the other games that started on the PS4 appear to have stayed on the PS4 that seems unlikely. They would’ve taken the PS5 into account during development so the PS5 version is likely to be significantly better.

Edit: https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/01/god_of_war_ps4_direct...
I’ve gone back to my original sources and it’s not clear whether the DLC idea was scrapped or became part of the next game.

It’s not that this PS5 launch lineup is bad, it’s that it’s rather unessential because of the crossgen games. I just don’t feel an overwhelming need to buy one, Demon’s Souls can wait until there’s more to grab me.

@Ryall I don't think they ever started on that DLC. Because they said, it would be too ambitious. They're probably going straight into the second game.

@Ryall It's probably a Breath of the Wild or Mario Galaxy 2 situation where the DLC became way too large in scope to just tack onto an existing game so they went the sequel route

I don't have any issue with games being scaled down for Current Gen hardware at all. If people are happy to play scaled down versions, limited by the hardware, then that is up to them but I don't think Sony should necessarily keep the games purely for next gen just to make people buy a PS5. That is also limiting the sale potential of these games and, at the price that will maximise their potential to recuperate the cost.

It doesn't mean that people have little/no reason to upgrade just because they can play most of the same games on PS4. Chances are, games like God of War will be capped to 30fps so will miss out on the benefits of 60fps - not just a smoother looking game, but better input response too. Of course with Sony's new controller, you will probably get more haptic feedback too so it will feel 'better' to play - not just look better with graphical improvements beyond just a bump in resolution and much better loading times. That isn't just an improvement to one game, but an improvement to all new games you may want to play - even if they are on current gen.

I would rather play the game at the best frame rate and/or visual quality possible and a PS5 will offer that. There are numerous areas that could be enhanced on PS5 and have a more enjoyable, more immersive experience. I know Sony games tend to be 'ready', more polished at launch any way so I don't expect many exclusives to struggle to hold 30fps but I still find some aspects distracting - once you notice the 'LoD' line - a line where shadows, objects, textures etc jump up in quality, its hard not to notice and I expect the PS5 can really push out draw distances as it doesn't need to hold the whole block in RAM because, it can stream in just the immediate area.

I know not everyone can or will get a PS5 for a while and with 100m PS4 owners, that's a big pool of gamers that can buy these games at launch to recuperate costs. I also don't think that Sony shouldn't support them if they can. It makes just as much sense to me to offer a tangible upgrade over the user experience as an incentive to upgrade and no doubt, more and more games will not scale down well over time. Most games in the first year or two should be scalable as they would of started development with current hardware in mind and using the extra power for higher frame rates, higher visual quality (not just resolution) and less graphical compromises. If they can be scaled down, why not?

No worries about the cross-gen games, that is true for every generation. Consoles are computers, PS5 owners will get the best possible experience while PS4 owners will get a scaled down experience. Games won't be hold back by PS4 because (a) they're developed in a computer and scaled down to each platform anyway, and (b) PS4 was likely their original target since PS5's hardware specs probably took a long time to be locked and shared.

I'm more concerned about how PS4 games play on PS5. I wish Sony would show some games running and how PS5 natively boosts the experience (or not), since my "launch" titles will be my backlog of PS4 games and some recent games I didn't play yet such as Last of Us Part 2 and Ghost of Tsushima.

@BAMozzy You’re forgetting about levels being designed around an HHD instead of an SSD. It was all over God of War and it can’t be on PS4 agin if it wants to go last that limited level design with ten missions prices of rubble to duck under. Games can’t be scaled down if they are designed in the core for an SSD.

@Jaz007 Urghhhh, Final Fantasy 7 Remake without the forced walking and rubble movement might make the game almost tolerable enough to go back to.

@Jaz007 Not in the slightest - I said IF they can be scaled down, then they should be. Games are not built overnight and who's to say God of War 2 is being built around the Level design that an SSD is necessary?

There are a LOT of big open worlds that don't rely on corridors or crawling through a gap to traverse between one zone and the next already so don't ALL rely on things like that to allow the next area to stream in. Games like R&C can 'work' on a PS4 too - if you don't mind being in those portals for 30secs instead of 2s - might affect the flow somewhat - and some games allow you to jump quickly from one point to another in the same area too so that could work.

What an SSD can do is enable you to zip through 'zones' much quicker - as Spider-Man demonstrates. An HDD needs a certain amount of time to pre-stream the next zone so the time it takes to get across a zone to the next has to be 'limited' and I can't see God of War allowing you to run from one area to the next blisteringly fast.

Don't get me wrong, I think give it a few years and the SSD will actually be a necessity...

@nessisonett I suspect the two types of sections will respond differently to the SSD. Cloud should just keep running in the forced walking sections because the game adjust his movement speed based on the amount of data it needs to load. Rubble movement is never going to change because the animation will take a fixed amount of time regardless of how fast the game load is in the background.

So the DS gameplay we saw is actually the 60fps performance mode? 🤯
It blows my mind that it will look even better.

@JJ2 Plot twist: "This game was captured on PC emulating the PS5 experience"

@TheFrenchiestFry See my Simpsons angry mob gif above.

@TheFrenchiestFry I thought that was only for Final Fantasy? Everything after that was captured on PS5.

Thought I’d copy and paste my comment from the Spiderman PS5 debacle article to here where there is still some chatter about cross-gen games. Hope that’s alright!

I know it sounds like a lot of work has gone into it, but looking around at other releases and upgrades that are free, it really isn’t anything special! Some Xbox releases are getting substantial free upgrades, Cyberpunk and the Witcher will be getting them, many cross gen games are also getting upgrades very close in calibre to this.
I just think this is poor across the board from Sony. And when they announce the paid remasters for TLOU 2 etc, there will be uproar. The reason I’m assuming there’ll be paid upgrades is due to this Spiderman release. These upgrades are what we expect from games being patched for a next gen. Sonys set a precedent with this, if they don’t stay consistent more questions will be asked of this Spiderman release.

@STLamy
If by uproar you mean a few people moaning on Twitter, I think they will survive that well enough. It's really not that big of a deal.

@TheFrenchiestFry
Haha
Dont start this one. There is a new FUD bs story about PS5 every hour now 😄

@Kidfried They'd be incredibly stupid and tone deaf to release a paid upgrade for PS4 games that released this year at full price to begin with

I was already a little uneasy about a two year old PS4 game going that route but at least Spider-Man on PS4 dropped in price before this remaster was announced