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BAMozzy

@colonelkilgore I have never said I wasn't - I loved Killzone too - but Shadowfall wasn't the best, but Horizon:ZD was probably my favourite Sony game of the PS4 generation. I much prefer Uncharted to Last of Us and always enjoyed the R&C and Resistance games of Insomniac before they joined Sony.

I wasn't a fan of the Original God of War games, never enjoyed those, but Platinumed the reboot in 4/5 days, HZD in 6days btw and Infamous 2nd Son too in a week or so. I miss Motorstorm as well but I could go on and name lots of IP's that I enjoyed and I wouldn't call any of these 'Walking' simulators and I'd like to see these types of games to be made, the reason I bought Playstation through the years. I don't want online GaaS ONLY games designed to sell Cosmetics for the price of a complete game (in a sale maybe but still a whole game) to make as much money with the least effort...

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colonelkilgore

@BAMozzy that’s the most succinct post you’ve ever typed, I feel that I’ve just popped a diamond cheevo getting you there… you’re keyboard is also incredibly relieved. Long may your new found brevity continue 👏

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Th3solution

@BAMozzy I understand your disappointment, but personally, I wouldn’t bet against Sony. Specifically in their ability to release high quality single player games. I do think their release schedule for them is going to slow, because of the weird obsession with live-service and the fact they are probably overreacting to the criticism of making too many of those SP cinematic games.

But yeah, my advice is don’t sell your PS5 just yet.

You should look into Final Fantasy while you’re waiting on the first party output. FF7 Remake and Rebirth are quite western feeling in a lot of ways and FF16 is very westernized

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Ryall

It is a slightly strange situation that all the games currently announced by Sony‘s first party are coming from insomniac in the teams purchased after them. Nothing has been announced in relation to what old Sony is working on. By that I mean the teams that were part of first party before insomniac was purchased.

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AnVold

@Ryall yep, I wish to see a new Twisted Metal, Gravity Rush or Soul Sacrifice game someday.

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BAMozzy

@Th3solution I am not betting against Sony as their Studios and History would suggest it would be foolish to write them off. All I am saying is that I don't see anything (yet) in their future that makes me feel Confident that 'long' term, there is enough content to justify running two Consoles, two different Subscriptions to access at least 'Online' etc.

I won't sell my PS5, and it was 'never' about selling it. It was more about not bothering to 'renew' my PS+ Essential when that runs out which would seriously 'limit' the function of my PS5 and push me to play ALL multi-platform games elsewhere. That in turn would mean my PS5 is just for the Single Player, no online Sony Exclusives - because I am not paying for Online access when my Console isn't being turned on for months and months and months, maybe even a year or more between Sony Single Player Offline releases. If it gets to that point, it maybe better to buy on PC when they eventually release there and then why bother with PS5 Pro or PS6, maybe its time for me to leave PS Console gaming and 'wait' for the games on PC instead - especially as a LOT of 3rd Party 'exclusives' release on PC too.

I have never liked Final Fantasy and whilst they may have moved to a more 'action' based combat instead of take it in turns (which as a mechanic, I've never enjoyed at all), I just don't enjoy the 'world', the characters etc so its not just a more 'western' style of Game-play, it still has aspects I don't really enjoy. Each to their own of course.

As I tried to say, Sony have had many IP's that I enjoyed - some had 'online' too but they had a Single Player option too - Killzone, Motorstorm, Wipeout, Gran Turismo and even Uncharted & Last of Us came with an Online mode. I don't enjoy Halo, Forza or Gears 'online' but I'd still buy for the SP. Looking ahead at what Sony have themselves revealed and/or stated about their business model, with more investment in GaaS and a bigger presence on PC, It is making me 'concerned' about MY future on Playstation Console - not that I'd sell my PS5, I just may not choose to invest time and money on Playstation specifically - choosing to wait for the 1-2 Sony's exclusives that appeal to me to come to PC instead.

I know my position is coming from a somewhat privileged position - the option to play on Series X, on a Gaming PC (with 3080ti) or Handheld PC (RoG Ally with a 4090 external GPU if I want to 'dock' to a TV) so its really just the Playstation Exclusives that appeal that keep me on Playstation Hardware as I can play 'everything' else anyway.

So all I am saying is that at the moment, I am not seeing enough to excite me, not seeing enough that makes me want to keep paying for PS+ beyond (I think) July 2024 when it runs out, what 'reason' I have to be excited to turn my PS5 on. By July, the landscape could change completely and I'll be happy to renew PS+ and be looking forward to a handful of games coming in the near future but right now, once Spider-Man 2 releases, apart from Wolverine, which I doubt would release within a year of SM2, I don't see anything (yet) to make me feel more positive. I am certainly not saying I intend to sell up, I still have everything from my PS3 era onwards - inc my Day 60gb PS3 Phat (although with YLOD now ) and would still keep the PS5 for playing my PS4/5 offline Backlog so I could resume my PS+ and Console gaming IF/When the future looks brighter.

Since they revealed Wolverine over 2 years ago, I can't think of any Single Player games announced. ND were supposedly working on Factions, Guerilla on a Horizon 'online' game after Forbidden West and with games like Marathon, Fairgame$, Foamstars and Helldiver 2 reinforcing that GaaS Online future, its not reassuring 'me' that I want to 'keep' investing in gaming on Playstation Hardware in the future at the moment - but things can, and hopefully from my perspective, change!

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colonelkilgore

@Kidfried aye, some people would have you believe that Sony are happy for all their first party studios (some of whom have doubled in size the last few years) to be sat twiddling their thumbs just because announcements haven’t been made yet. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love a first party roadmap for the next few years… but I remember Sony copping a lot of flack back in the early PS4 era for announcements made well in advance. There is no way to please all of the people all of the time.

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KilloWertz

@colonelkilgore At this point there's no reason why they can't give one to some extent though. There's a difference between announcing things too early and not announcing much of anything at all. As I've said already, there's no way some of these developers have nothing to show by now as they obviously haven't been sitting there twiddling their thumbs for years.

They've gone to the absolute other extreme. Obviously the developers are working on something, but to have one single player game announced that is likely not coming until 2025 after Spider-Man 2 releases, it should be perfectly understandable that people continue to get frustrated by Sony so far this generation.

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colonelkilgore

@KilloWertz I’m with you, I was extremely disappointed following the last showcase lack of any first party single player announcements… openly so. As I said though, it beggars belief that Sony are paying all those well paid employees… essentially the engine room that propels PlayStation, to sit there doing **** all.

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Th3solution

@BAMozzy Yeah, perhaps letting your PS+ lapse in July would be the first thing to do, especially if online play isn’t your cup o’ tea. I was being facetious about the advice to not sell your PS5, I know you’re weren’t saying you’re thinking of doing that. 😄 Just making the point that the future is still bright.

And fair enough on the Final Fantasy. I think S-E developed FF16 with gamers like you in mind, but I think they underestimated the deep-rooted feelings about the world and characters. It’s probably the same thing for me with Zelda and Mario. No matter how awesome I’m told the new Nintendo games are, I have this immovable prejudice in my mind based on prior experience and just can’t manufacture much interest. I know I’d like them if I tried them, but I dunno. Same with COD, Fortnite, GTA, and a lot of other popular acclaimed properties I actively avoid. So I understand.

But I do try to expand my horizons as much as I can. Playing Humanity right now and I’d usually not have considered it, but now that I’m playing it I really like it.

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Th3solution

@Kidfried Putting it all together like that with the 5-6 core studios that make AAA single player content, I realized they all released games within the final year of PS4 and first year of PS5. Bend is probably the only one without any output for a while. Next would probably be ND if you don’t count the Part I remake. Of course we know they were spending resources on Factions this whole time and probably set them back a couple years in the cycle.

But BluePoint, Housemarque, Guerrilla, Santa Monica all had releases in the first year or two of the PS5. Sucker Punch released the Iki Island and the PS5 version of GoT, which is a much smaller project, so I wouldn’t be surprised if GoT2 is pretty far along.

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BAMozzy

@KilloWertz That is my point. Even if they are choosing not to reveal things too soon and/or risk backlash from any potential delays too, then it still seems like they have nothing of their own in the 'near' future - as in the next 6-12 months - to release.

If you have a lot to release in the next year, I can understand not revealing projects beyond that as you have a lot to keep gamers positive for the immediate future and once they release, have the 'next' batch. However if you don't have a lot in the next year, then maybe its worth revealing projects a bit further away.

I appreciate that sometimes it can get frustrating waiting 'years' for updates and a release, but if you haven't got something coming up sooner, is that better than not knowing what they have in development and what seems like nothing coming 'soon'. Surprise announcements/reveals of course could still come and change that landscape.

All I am saying is that I would rather have 4 or 5 games I'm looking forward to regardless of whether they are expected in the next year or 3yrs+ than only have 1 game that doesn't seem to be releasing soon because they haven't got another 2 or 3 games coming in the next 'year' and therefore choose not to reveal. I'd love to see 4-5 games releasing every year and so they always have 4-5 games to look forward to and not wait 'years' for them, but I'd also rather know they have 4-5 games coming - even if they are years away than not know if they have any games coming. As I keep saying, Sony has a LOT of great IP's and Studios so I am 'optimistic' but until they officially reveal their plans, I have numerous concerns which have only been reinforced - not reduced by Sony.

I don't expect ND or Guerilla to make 'online' only games - even though they have both built Online modes before. So hearing that both were making 'online' games, like Arkane making Redfall or Bethesda making Fallout 76, are they being 'pushed' by Sony to capitalise on GaaS? They may have well paid employees all working on exclusives for Sony, but are they being 'pushed' into the GaaS model away from the one & done Narrative SP games as these can be more profitable? They own the Studios so will have the final say on what projects they choose to greenlight.

As we know, they chose not to Greenlight a sequel to Day's Gone and rumours say they cancelled Factions after 'years' of work. If Factions is 'cancelled', then that's a bunch of staff that's been developing 'something' for years that is now not coming and not 'working' on Games we as consumers would get to play. Hearing these things too doesn't help fill me with confidence.

I can't help feeling that Playstation is at its 'lowest' point for me in many years. Perhaps even lower than when the PS3 Online was hacked and was 'offline' for weeks preventing me from playing 'many' of the games I was playing and/or looking forward to playing, but still had more light at the end of the tunnel and things to look forward to. As I keep saying, things can change too and by the time my PS+ is coming up for renewal, the road map ahead is much more exciting for me but right now, I am questioning whether or not I will spend any time on my PS5 in the next year or so and/or whether I should buy any PS5 games with 'online' modes if I may not bother renewing PS+. Even if they don't have much in 2024, just seeing 3-5 games that I want to play being developed would help. It helped with Xbox despite 2022 looking 'bleak' and then got worse with delays - knowing that they were at least working on projects that appeal, that 'eventually' I'd get to play the types of Games I enjoy so can make do for now with 3rd Party and my backlog knowing that the Games will come.

I'd be surprised if Sony doesn't have those type of games in development - it just doesn't seem right to me after all these years. Maybe in a years time, I'll be at the other end of the spectrum and raving about all the 'exclusives' Sony has in their future that I'm excited and eager to play - such is the dynamic nature of this industry but at this point in time, Sony themselves haven't shown me enough to make me excited and that I will want to keep paying out for PS+ as I'll be spending a LOT of time/money on Playstation 5.

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BAMozzy

@Th3solution I'm sure the future will be bright but right now, that is based on history and not on any concrete evidence. As for expanding my horizons so to speak, I have Game Pass Ultimate so have access to MANY games I would never have bought at any price and can try at no extra cost and no obligation to ever spend money on. Therefore I see little reason to 'risk' spending money on Games that don't appeal when I can play games that 'do' for a lot less, if not 'free' on a sub service. I also don't see the point on buying a game to 'try' because its more 'westernised' or that 'Turn based Combat' isn't that bad and its Story is worth it (Midnight Son's, Baldurs Gate) when they appeal even less than games in my backlog I'd rather play, let alone 'free' games in Sub services I'd rather play/try before even considering spending 'money' on something.

All games are competing for my 'time' first and foremost - some may have a large pay wall to access, others maybe in my backlog or 'free' on a service so no cost. Therefore Games must appeal more than what I already have access to if I am going to spend money upfront to play them and if I'd rather play some old game in my backlog (or on a Sub service) than Final Fantasy, Helldivers, Marathon, Foamstars, FairGame$, Forspoken, BG3 or whatever else is releasing, then I'm not going to spend money to 'try' them. Its not as if I don't have access to hundreds of games that appeal more in my backlog that may not be a visually impressive or 'new' but they are not exactly things to look forward to, to be excited for etc...

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Ryall

@BAMozzy I don’t see any point in staying subscribed to a subscription service if I don’t want to play anything on it immediately. You can join the things as frictionlessly as buying a game.

Knowing a game that I would want to play is in development and will be on the service day one won’t change that to decision.

Given the amount of games to my taste at the moment, I doubt I’m going to be in the situation of randomly trying games. I’m unsure of on spec for awhile. If I did want to try a large number of games. A subscription service would certainly be the way to go about it.

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Grumblevolcano

I'm in the situation where I'm interested in PS5 but there's a few things that are stopping me from actually purchasing:

  • The whole thing Phil Spencer brought up about Xbox exclusion deals rather than Playstation exclusivity deals. It gives me the impression that if he's telling the truth, a lot of the PS 3rd party exclusives I'm interested in like the FFVII Remake trilogy will come to Switch 2 if it's powerful enough. Switch is my primary console so will always prioritize native Switch versions and while I do have a Series X, my interest in Xbox has been generally decreasing since Infinite's launch (at current my interest in Xbox is lower than it was in 2013 which is really sad)
  • The strong rumours about PS5 Pro in 2024
  • Sony's large focus on live service makes me very uneasy about the future of PS

So I find myself best off waiting until answers are found which I'd imagine at least some would happen during the 1st half of 2024.

[Edited by Grumblevolcano]

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KilloWertz

@colonelkilgore Their lack of showing anything from them can give people that impression, but anybody willing to put much thought into what they type will realize that is obviously not the case. 3rd party titles have been doing the heavy lifting overall so far, but they need their own studios more than Xbox, so there's no way they don't have things in the pipeline. So, in the end, you're right.

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MaulTsir

@KilloWertz I most certainly was begging in the beginning 👍 auto correct has a lot to answer for I bet!

I mean I did state that it appealed to me and not that it was a great show for everyone, which is always going to be the case. I already knew about Spiderman 2 but seeing alot more about how the switching between characters works and the new map size has added further to my excitement and I imagine it was added in to serve a purpose as to anyone sitting on the fence look what we've got.

Phantom Liberty is another I was already looking forward to and was nothing new but still glad to see more of it and its coming this month so again another advert.

Helldivers 2, this one was a surprise to me, again I know not to everyone and not everyone is into MP or Co op games but I don't mind them so I like the look of this game, might be as bad as all their other live service games but who knows.

I'd love to hear from Sony on their next year or 2 of projected Single-player ips but I feel in my humble opinion that Sony know very well that their single player ips are going to sell so their never really in a rush to advertise them, look at the drama Cyberpunk caused and to a certain degree Starfield, the majority of people don't like waiting too long for games and the earlier their announced the more scrutiny they come under.

I think whether people like it or not Sony will continue to operate in this way, it doesn't make me feel like their not making any great single player games but I do see why people would start to get a little frustrated.

The biggest Win for Sony in the last year is probably Starfield, I know that's going to sound controversial but the so called "system killer" seems to have hit with a relative meh some people love it, some hate it and most think it's alright. This is where Sony will probably feel they still hold the ace cards in terms of qaulity of SP experiences.

Of course I could be clearly wrong and Sony could be sat there with their fingers up their nose don't absolutely nothing and have no clue what their going to do next but from a company that's delivered on the SP front for the last 15 years I just don't see it.

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colonelkilgore

So while Sony first party games are and have been very important, as others have mentioned third party exclusives have been huge of Sony of late. So while 2024 looks a little light on first party output (thus far)… and hopefully this changes if not during 2024 but thereafter, 2024 still looks decent when you consider big single player games such as Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth, Rise of the Ronin will be released during the first half of the year… and I reckon we might well get Death Stranding 2 during the back half.

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Th3solution

@colonelkilgore Stellar Blade and Granblue Fantasy as well in 2024. And the backend of 2023 is also kept afloat with third party console exclusive/early access — FF16, Baldur’s Gate 3, Honkai Star Rail…, along with smaller 3rd party console exclusives like Star Ocean coming. And if you want to count earlier this year Forspoken. Other indie and AA 3rd party exclusives exist too (although likely Xbox has its share of these too) like Humanity, Tchia, etc. There’s probably others that didn’t come to my mind.

It’s possible that with all the 3rd and 2nd party console exclusives that Sony is biting their tongue on the 1st party games so as not to cannibalize their outside partnerships. If they announced Bloodborne 2 or Ghost of Tsushima 2 for 2024 then would Rise of the Ronin be getting as much anticipation? Probably not. If Bend has a hypothetical open world action Sci Fi game, then they probably want to wait until Stellar Blade gets out there and shines for a couple months first. Etc, etc…

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MaulTsir

@Th3solution

Th3solution wrote:

It’s possible that with all the 3rd and 2nd party console exclusives that Sony is biting their tongue on the 1st party games so as not to cannibalize their outside partnerships. If they announced Bloodborne 2 or Ghost of Tsushima 2 for 2024 then would Rise of the Ronin be getting as much anticipation? Probably not. If Bend has a hypothetical open world action Sci Fi game, then they probably want to wait until Stellar Blade gets out there and shines for a couple months first. Etc, etc…

This is probably a good explanation business wise, I imagine especially with their 3rd party exclusives they have to market them in a way that keeps the developers happy.

MaulTsir

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