Topic: Corona Virus Panic/Discussion Thread

@nessisonett on the othehand the biggest contribution is from the USA, followed by the UK, then Germany. China sits in 11th at a fraction of the contribution.

That said in the middle of a Pandemic, its not a good time to cut funds.

@nessisonett How is that possible? He knew it was a pandemic before everyone else knew it was a pandemic.

This gif feel entirely appropriate for the last page or so;

@LaJettatura This whole ‘resistance group’ thing just confuses me, they’re putting themselves at risk just as much as others. I can’t imagine how difficult it must be as a HCW at the minute, the least of my worries is being stir-crazy. These updates really do help put things in perspective.

@LaJettatura the USA is messed up, the amount of resentment towards staying at home. A bunch of the online videos I've watched - outspoken obese 50 year old blokes waving guns around - prime candidates for ICU. But it's a fine line in the west as we do have hard fought rights and privileges.

In the UK Police are watching the video and electronic Isles in Tesco, questioning single old people on park benches, even police threatening to make stuff up to arrest people (mass overreach). Its infuriating when real people are breaking the laws liberally and you don't have to look far. I think since the credit crunch and the rise Internet opinion pieces, no one trusts anyone. So ignorance and selfishness come to the fore.

There's death everywhere from covid 19. The figures for every country are wrong. Even here in the UK there are 7500 hidden deaths at least due to the surge in our average statistics month on month.

I read that the Korean Baseball League is going to start games soon, initially with no fans. It’s a bold move, and I suspect other professional leagues around the world will follow suit so long as the Korean experiment goes well in the next few weeks. Don’t be surprised if the NBA, NHL, and MLB announce games to start in June.

@Th3solution Good news! Hopefully with more testing games can go ahead.

A few things have really done my head in sports wise. Snooker, tennis and other 1v1 sports could have taken place with better organisation. Isolate the top 10 somewhere and have a bunch of LockDown competitions. But alas that was never meant to be.

@themcnoisy Yeah, if I understood what I read correctly, the players and coaches will not only have to be social distancing as much as possible off the field, wearing masks until they get on the field, etc - but they have regular testing I think. Not sure how often or how it works, but if any player or coach in the league tests positive then the whole thing shuts down for 2 weeks. Yeah - tennis, golf, etc. should have an easier time to get up and going vs. like basketball, football, and other team sports. Oh and wrestling and UFC, that’s probably a little trickier with all the close up physical contact.

@KratosMD Considering I just ordered a pizza supper out the chippie for dinner, I may regret that. It’s a balancing act between that sweet sweet deep fried pizza or getting fat and dying. I have to say, death by pizza is a pretty baller way to go out though.

@KratosMD From what I read before, high BMI isn't necessarily a risk factor for contracting the virus but puts you at a much higher risk of requiring ventilation. That may have changed though.

Well it looks like it can be caught more than once. Remember when herd immunity was a thing?

@KratosMD I find it interesting how different countries are hearing different things about the virus. Over here in the UK, our vaccination program’s reaching the clinical trial stage in the next week or so which is why the lead scientist said we could catch the virus more than once. The exact phrasing though was that a vaccine-induced immunity could last longer than the infected-induced immunity. I don’t know about you but that still doesn’t fill me with confidence.

@LaJettatura Sorry for the late reply and thank you very much for the useful information!

I'm interested in why you think things wont ever go back to normal. I would obviously assume some protocols and plans would change but eventually we'll have a vaccine and plans in place to beat back infections before it gets out of control again, right?

@nessisonett no-one seems to be immune from getting the common cold having had it and that's often a coronavirus! Staggering how much the UKs response to this has been based around influenza like virus.

@R1spam a common cold is a variety of over 200 throat and nose based viruses. You do get immunity - there are just so many it's pot luck.

That also explains why some colds are worse than others.

@nessisonett you definitely get immunity. Else you wouldn't see Recovered patients. They would all just be ill until death or in a state similar to the Aids epidemic or when people get rabies. The reports are spurious. In South Korea the 190 people who have retested positive makes me question the test rather than the immunity - what if the tests are also picking up a similar virus? like what happened with our own antibody tests? Not surprised South Korea have a low death rate if people without covid 19 are being diagnosed as having it. Same with Germany. What happens if it is literally picking up a strong variant of a cold? The evidence for immunity is in Wuhan, in Italy and Spain.

@LaJettatura The vaccine in real terms would cost pennies to make. It's free for the UK as we have the NHS, although we pay tax for it in the first place.

@LaJettatura So basically this is just the new normal then? I'm looking at what you're saying and I can't come up with any rational counter arguments to most of it.

The only thing I can think of is that countries may push out the vaccine for "free" (read tax payer funded) because having millions of people drop dead from an out of control virus and overwhelmed healthcare systems would all but certainly be more costly than not doing so. But even then, it's easy to talk about but when you get down to it, vaccinating millions, tens of million, hundreds of millions, BILLIONS of people is just not realistic. Even if we got lucky and got a vaccine that works, works safely, and got it fast, there's no way to just assume it's easy to produce and distribute it.

@LaJettatura I doubt many people who are in employment will be able to refuse a vaccine when it arrives. My employer has always said If you choose not to use proper PPE you choose not to work for us. I’m sure the same thing with apply to most people and this vaccination.

@themcnoisy I dunno, the fact the literal scientific lead on vaccination in the UK is saying that immunity isn’t permanent is a strong indicator it isn’t. It’ll function similar to the cold in that there’s a cooling off period and then you can catch it again.

@nessisonett Evidence says it's at least 4 months as plasma is being pulled from recovered people in China from December.

As I said its too early. There are way too many negative articles at the moment check this out;

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/20/studies-sugge...

This is a typical article, full of holes. Relying on volunteer blood. The Who has to play safe, the volunteers will also be hypochondriacs. That's an awful combination for a scientific test.

The reality will be massively different in Madrid, New York, Milan and Wuhan compared to Sydney, Berlin and Seoul, It even states a random figure of 14% immunity for France and Germany with no context. No one knows right now, the immunity tests are proving illusive. The real test is when New York rolls out the tested and working antibody test next week. Then we can all take stock once the results of a wide enough group drop.

With Sars immunity lasted approximately 3 years. Its likely but not guaranteed to be similar.

The news is really getting on my nerves at the moment, whipping sane people into a frenzy of bad news. In just under 5 months time we will should all look back at these comments and the reality will be different from the world ending plague rhetoric, Covid 19 isn't even close.

I don’t mean this issue isn’t serious, but boy has it become boring!