@mookysam Nope we have had that with our 3 (nearly 4 yr old). She has seen her Granny but we literally had to put a fence between them because she just instinctively wanted to get close and talk and show her things. Our 8 yr old understands now and she went on a distanced walk around the local park with her but a 3-4 yr old? No chance.
I think it depends on the setting but what I can see is a lot of childcare places opening and then any whiff of coronavirus, shutting down for 2 weeks while tests etc. are done. So it will be very stop and start.
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@Arugula England are almost opened up, their cases have kinda spiked since the decision but I expect that to level off as the weeks go on. Here in Scotland, we’re still in lockdown and probably opening up next month but our cases are way lower than England’s, statistically wise, due to the extra measures we’ve had in place. The economy’s in its worst state since 1709 but at least we won’t die straight away from coronavirus, it’ll be the economic fallout that gets us!
We will definitely have another wave of Coronavirus. Everyone I work with struggles with distancing and are taking it way too lightly.
I heard someone say 'let's stop play pretend' yesterday.
Once the shops open up its gonna be a free for all.
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@Arugula In work there are 3 out of say 70 people who have had a positive test that I know of. No one died but one of our accounts team had a horrendous time. I had a rough experience which has led to medical complications. Our colleague seemed to have just had a chesty cough. Evidence right there of bad news yet we have to 'stop playing pretend'. Labelled as a drama queen.
My mums in a care home, she's pretty cool and healthy for a 70 year old. I can't say the same for the other residents, very frail and weak. They would get hit hard.
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@themcnoisy Yeah, my sister moved in with my Nana and Papa in January since she was made redundant in Dundee so had to come home. Then Coronavirus hit and none of them have left the house since March. Looking like October before they can leave the house but people just have to have their far-right rallies in Parliament Square without wearing masks and make lockdown last even longer than it already is 🙄
Yeah, I think people have just chosen to accept the risk rather than continue the inconvenience of not being able to socialize. Especially the younger population.
Time will tell if that’s the correct decision. Good for the economy but I hope we don’t end up with packed hospitals and all the ventilators full again.
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@Arugula I’m with you, I would just as soon society stays with social distancing as a permanent fixture. I’d rather stay home and away from people too.
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The impact this is going to have on healthcare in the UK (and beyond) is going to be immense. We're having to keep distancing, cleaning of equipment etc up as though we are still in the peak and this is causing issues. Plus, there's a huge backlog of issues from cancer referrals to routine ops that have been suspended for months and some of that will be impacted for a long time to come. The worry over patients potentially having Covid is also going to mean more and more people dumped into A&E to sort problems out.
Where I work, our capacity for CT, MRI, and ultrasound imaging is going to be around 2/3s what it was beforehand and this is going to cause massive issues. The last few months are almost going to feel like a holiday for us compared with what's coming.
@Thrillho I fear that even after we’ve got a vaccine and there are no new cases. The number of people with new chronic conditions caused either directly or indirectly by Corvid is likely to be greater than those with underlying health conditions who died in the pandemic.
@Octane Yeah, I keep trying to tell friends and co-workers who are lackadaisical about precautions because they’re in an age group and health status whose chance of serious illness is tiny, that I understand that they aren’t likely to suffer from COVID19, but their parents, grandparents, or friend with diabetes will. Not to mention it will come back to affect them when the hospitals are full and then they get into a car accident they won’t have any place to get treated for serious injury.
Most people won’t listen to reason though. There are just a whole lot of selfish and entitled people, that’s all. It seems few people care about their neighbor or fellow humans. So we’ll get what we get. And it appears that will be a second spike and we may have to live through March again.
@Thrillho@Ryall I wonder if there is data about how many deaths there have been as a secondary effect of the pandemic. How many have died not from coronavirus infection but from something else but couldn’t get treated (or refused to leave their home out of fear of exposure to seek treatment), but would have otherwise had a curable condition? I know it’s got to be happening.
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@Th3solution Most of the focus in the UK (outside of the government anyway) has been on "excess deaths" rather than ones listed directly as due to Covid.
This has been put out by the Office of National Statistics and shows how many total deaths we've had over the average for this period over the last five years. It's pretty grim viewing and the idea is it takes much more into account than just the virus directly. It makes it around 60,000 rather than the 40,000 "official" figure.
I never saw much of a difference in outside population when I was rarely in town, usually just go straight to work and back home, never leaving the house since my Mom runs most of our errands.
Hopefully alot more people will take the inevitable Wave Two more seriously, without the death toll climbing too much.
Especially since I work in a crammed Amazon warehouse, always seeing ALOT of co-workers (and even Managers/Leads/Saftey etc) hugging/high fiving and disrespecting the 6 feet rule.
@Arugula I’m just wondering with Florida being in the midst of becoming the next hotspot if it will now alter the whole “bubble plan” for the NBA to play out the season and playoffs at Disney ESPN complex Orlando.
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