As a game, I can appreciate why not everyone thinks number 2 is the best one in the series. But really, all things considered, it's leagues ahead of the other instalments. It has to be one of the most important video games of all time.
Rose: Raiden, you seem to think that our plan is one of censorship.
Raiden: Are you telling me it's not!?
Rose: You're being silly! What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.
Raiden: Create context?
Colonel: The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards the development of convenient half-truths. Just look at the strange juxtapositions of morality around you.
Rose: Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans.
Colonel: Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims.
Rose: Although there are people suffering in poverty, huge donations are made to protect endangered species. Everyone grows up being told the same thing.
Colonel: "Be nice to other people."
Rose: "But beat out the competition!"
Colonel: "You're special." "Believe in yourself and you will succeed."
Rose: But it's obvious from the start that only a few can succeed...
Colonel: You exercise your right to "freedom" and this is the result. All rhetoric to avoid conflict and protect each other from hurt. The untested truths spun by different interests continue to churn and accumulate in the sandbox of political correctness and value systems.
Rose: Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds, leaking whatever "truth" suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large.
Colonel: The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but nobody is right.
Rose: Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in "truth."
Colonel: And this is the way the world ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper.
@kyleforrester87 🤯
Whoa. Mind blown. Great article. Very well researched. I have enjoyed playing the MGS games; they are among my favorites, but I never really followed the story that well. The jumping around in time and the complex interplay of characters and themes is a lot to take in and so I just have enjoyed them at face value and never really pondered deeper meanings in the story. Actually, to be honest, I figured Kojima was kinda making stuff up as he went along. And maybe he just got lucky that the world he created in his games has turned out to be prophetic in a way. Or maybe he has a crystal ball.
But yeah, MGS 2 released Nov. 2001. (But the design document was finalized Jan 1999.) Facebook launched in Feb 2004. And it would make sense that the spread of digital memes began to peak several years later to the point that all this information comes of be utilized for the manipulation of society through data mining and creating illusions of opinion and the smokescreen of exploitation for some outside goal. So clearly Kojima was way ahead of the movement toward the modern digitized society and how it could be manipulated. Again, it may all be coincidence. An interesting conspiracy theory created by circumstance. But it does make me appreciate MGS more. I probably need to replay them all again sometime from the beginning. Clearly these themes went way over my head when I played them years ago.
And it also makes me very, very interested in Death Stranding. If he follows form, then Kojima could be predictioning something about society in 2035.
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”
@kyleforrester87 I read that yesterday, is a good article. Pretty crazy if ya think about it.
You know I don't remember if I actually enjoyed MGS 2. I remember not being liking Raider as the main playable character and I found the ending quite pretentious. I think that I remember the first game more speaks volumes.
Life is more fun when you help people succeed, instead of wishing them to fail.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
@Kidfried I haven’t read Moby Dick, but I do know the basic jist of the story since it is such a popular classic. It’s interesting that it has inspired Kojima so much.
I have been tempted to buy the MGS2/3 package for Vita. I wonder how they hold up on the handheld. I rarely ever turn on my PS3 anymore.
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”
@RogerRoger Sounds like I should pick it up next time I see it available. My backlog on Vita is not quite as big as my PS4 one. It’s more akin to an elephant rather than a blue whale.
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”
hey the Forum shortcuts have vanished of the home page, has this happened to anyone else?
"I pity you. You just don't get it at all...there's not a thing I don't cherish!"
"Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!
@Th3solution Thanks! I got:
Tokyo Xanadu (Vita)
Eternal Sonata (PS3)
Atelier Rorona (PS3)
White Knight Chronicles II (PS3)
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (PS3)
Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time (PS3)
Sega Vintage Classics: Monster World Collection (PS3 PSN)
The Caligula Effect: Deluxe Digital Edition (Vita)
Penny Punching Princess (Vita)
@ReanSchwarzer7 Nice! That’s quite the haul! You’re set for quite some time. The only ones from that list I’ve played are the 2 R&C titles and they are great, in the usual R&C fashion. And Tokyo Xanadu seems really good and right up your alley since it’s like a Trails game evidently.
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.”
I know I'm a day late, but all of that and more is why I love and defend Sons of Liberty today. I swear, that game just gets more current every year. It was the first game I remember that gave a plot outside of the box that I actually listened to. The confusing nature of it actually made me look up any reference material and plot summaries just so I could understand it better. Once I had a good idea of it in my head, I thought it was as amazing as a root beer float. In addition to essentially predicting the future (Even back in 2009 I thought it was spot on), it's idea of challenging sequels and use of clever game design to sell it's story made me fall in love with it.
I'll be the first to admit it may not be my favorite Metal Gear (I don't have a complete ranking but I usually lean more towards MGS or Snake Eater), primarily because I'm just a less story driven gamer, and I've praised the gameplay more over the years. But it left a major impact on me in multiple ways, I'll never deny that. There's a reason I have Solid Snake's last words in that script in my forum signature.
"We don't get to choose how we start in this life. Real 'greatness' is what you do with the hand you're dealt." -Victor Sullivan "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one and the same thing." -Solid Snake
Amazon has informed me that my copy of Kingdom Hearts 1.5 + 2.5 has been removed from my order as it is no longer available (It came out in 2017 people) so now it's the hunt.
GAME has it...for £29.95. That's currently the only place that has it that can deliver to my area.
Now Playing: Mario & Luigi Brothership, Sonic x Shadow Generations
Now Streaming: The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom
Forums
Topic: The Chit Chat Thread
Posts 301 to 320 of 9,605
Please login or sign up to reply to this topic