Topic: The Chit Chat Thread

Did you guys see that info about PS5? It's not confirmed yet, obviously.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/semiacccurate-gets-some-play...

"So Semiaccuarate who got info right about the nx with nintendo partnering with nvidia for the switch and giving correct ps4 specs in 2012 has a lot of info on ps5. Problem is it requires a professional level subscription which is $1000 to read the article."

Summary:

-Uses AMD's Navi as its base architecture, not specifically using Navi.
-CPU is Zen
-Large amount of devkits have apparently gone out.
-Author suggests 2018 release of PS5 is not out of the question based on the amount of devkits released
-VR "goodies" baked in at the Silicon level. (Sony not giving up on PSVR any time soon is what I think)

I believe it's really soon to release in 2018. Not sure if this info is accurate too, let's wait.

''2018 release''

Yeah, I don't believe that, at all.

@PS_Nation They got 2018 based on the number of dev kits that are supposedly out in the wild now, but the report also says that they don't expect the components till late 2018-early 2019.

If the PS5 was really coming out this year, there would be some hype/leaks around it especially as we're approaching E3.
I'm surprised at reports of how many dev kits are supposedly out though.
Pretty certain it's 2019 now.

I don't know everyone is so eager for the PS5 but I feel that the PS4 still has a few more years. It just feels to early in the PS4 life cycle to for the PS5 to be released in the next 3 years. Last year saw a slew of hits for the PS4 and it doesn't look like it will be slowing down this year. I would say if anything the PS4 has at least 5 more years.

@Fight_Teza_Fight Hmmm, it makes more sense now. Let's see, games like God of War, Detroit and Spider-Man are coming this year, Dreams probably as well.
Now The Last of Us 2, Ghost of Tsushima, Medievil, Days Gone and Concrete Genie will be released next year, they're probably the last lineup of exclusives for PS4, there is a possibility that some of these games are cross-generation if PS5 is coming in 2019.

If we think about, games like Death Stranding, FF 7 remake and Cyberpunk are probably or definitely coming to PS5 after all.

@PS_Nation Concrete Genie is coming this year.

It doesn't make sense for Dev-Kits to go out to third party devs at least 18months before the console releases either. Even in the weeks between E3 and Nov 2013, there were 'tweaks' to the consoles - the XB1 fr example had a CPU speed boost and if you don't have the right CPU/GPU and even RAM configuration, it can affect the game and how the devs get it running.

People talk about the PS4 Pro as being 'Polaris' in its GPU - essentially a RX480 with fewer cores but its basically 2 PS4 GPU's bolted together with some 'features' from Polaris and even Vega (before it was released) added in. You cannot buy a 'Polaris' GPU with all the 'features' that the Pro offers. Sony wanted 'object' tracking built in to the APU to improve Chequerboard rendering - the ability to track objects and pull 'pixels' forward to fill in the gaps that CB rendering leaves out and why CB rendering on PS4 Pro can be better than any PC or other console. Sony also wanted to add FP16 functionality to its Pro, something the Switch console offers as the only other console with that capability.

What Sony (or MS for that matter) do is see what AMD are working on, what 'specs' they want/need and design a custom APU based on the 'current' or even upcoming tech. No doubt Zen will be the base for the CPU and I wouldn't be surprised if the GPU has some Polaris, Navi and even Vega built into it. If Sony want something that 'Navi' offers but wan't in Vega or Polaris, then maybe they will have that built into the APU. Its kind of like saying a motor racing team picking a 2litre engine block from 2016 but bolt on the improved cam rods from the 2017 cars and then add the fuel injectors from 2018 and stick in the electronics from the upcoming 2019 models all to make a custom engine that's specifically built just for the purpose of racing rather than just picking a general, off the shelf complete engine - picking the parts, or in the case of Consoles, just the features and 'power' needs that they want for their console and at the price budget they are aiming for.

As for 'when' Sony could release the PS5, we are still 7months away from Nov - the expected release month. Granted the PS4 was 'revealed in Feb 2013 but wasn't actually shown until E3 - which is still 2 months away. The Pro and Slim weren't revealed until September either. Maybe we could all be wrong about a November release as Switch was successful in March - which also happens to be when PS3 and Vita IGC games cease. Nov 2019 is a very long time away in 'gaming' terms too and Sony are known to have 2 generations of console in manufacture simultaneously with the oldest gen ceasing manufacture in the year a new console comes out. The PS1 went on until nearly the PS3 launched, the PS2 went on until the PS4 launched and Fifa 14 released on PS2, PS3 and PS4 - maybe scaled back on PS2 but still saw a release.

Personally, I would LOVE a PS5 by Nov 2018 as I would prefer to play all the upcoming Exclusives at 4k and 60fps rather than 1440p or CB4k 30fps. I expect it will offer better visuals than the X but most importantly, the better CPU will enable more games to run at 60fps where they are only 30fps on X. That is MY preference - the option to play games like the Last of Us 2 (ND have so far only offered 1440/30 on Pro), Ghost of Tsushima etc at 4k and 60fps would be much preferred but if I have to wait until Nov 2019, so be it. I would be annoyed though if they do bring it out in Nov 2019 and then re-release LoU2, GoT, DS etc as 're-mastered' 4k/60 games when I bet they are built to 4k standards and then scaled down to run on current hardware.

It'll need to be a significant leap over the X to be seen as a worthwhile new system, and the problem is that comes with one monsterous price tag.

I don't believe it - they'll want to break the 100 million ceiling first and with the Pro, they can compete 'enough' with the X not to be too far behind for another year or so.

I think a 2019 announcement for 2020 release is still the most likely though of course, pure opinion. 2019 will have a strong enough line up to keep selling PS4's even with a PS5 announcement and then 2020 release. That will give it a 2-3 year gap with the X so there will appear to be a leap.

You never know. Sony did say they favoured the Apple style short period between announcement and release of hardware, like they did with the Pro. And maybe the PS"5" will co-exist with the 4 and Pro with complete backwards capability. I think the Pro and X could be good indication as to how typical console generations as we know them are evolving in to something else.

I don't think Sony need to necessarily give up the lead they have with the PS4 if they don't create a lot of fuss about a PS5 release. Just get it out on the shelves, you'll get classic early adopters and slowely the install base will move over to the new system.

@Octane Oh, that's great, the game looks really cool.

Honestly, I reckon PS4 will be my last console purchase (save for the possibility of another Sony handheld).

I would probably buy a Switch revision for myself before a PS5 at this point.

@KratosMD Still have my Launch PS4 and both DualShock 4s that came with it. All performing perfectly (other than the DS4 that I spilled beer on).

Liked the games output and exclusives from the get-go. I've no complaints with the PS4.

I've seen and read plenty of evidence that people have had issues with DS4s, but mine and everyone I know IRL hasn't had the same issues.

@KratosMD Honestly (And this is weird coming from me), think about where the Switch will be when the next big power consoles land.

It'll be cheaper. It may have a revision by then. It will have a huge library.

The PS5 will be full price and not have much going on most likely, like any launch system, and of course if we base this on the PS4 alone, I'm a huge PS fan, and it even took me 2 years to grab one.

It's hard to look back, but that first year, my lord, what happened there? I mean its stellar now, but back then? That was an ask people accepted because the other systems weren't appealing in ANY sense.

My worry is...it'll be too costly...for not a lot. Realistically how much will change? Pretty visuals. Same as last time, it most likely wont be a huge incredible jump. Noticable, but nothing like before. That's just the tech world we live in now.

So I can honestly see people getting the new box, yes, but I can also see a lot of people seeing something cheaper, with a huge library, that offers something unique instead, and getting a PS5 later.

Which is fine, they'll still get a PS5, I always say get it when you want it when it comes to consoles, but it'll be...a bit of a hard sell.

@KratosMD I can see with the new offset generations for Sony and Nintendo, that was one company peaks with a system, the other comes out with a new one to take over the space for a few years as one winds down.

PS4 Peak - Switch release
PS4 cool down - Switch heats up
Switch Peak - PS5 release
Switch Cool down - PS5 Heats Up
PS5 Peak - Switch 2 release

@KratosMD I can't see the PS4 being 'abandoned' any time soon. The install base is now enormous - it's still a software goldmine.
Given how well supported the lifecycles of their home consoles tend to be, I would expect PS5 to be a while off - and even then given the supposed leaked spec's - it will be extremely expensive.

As I say, still have my controllers from launch - both in good condition.

@Kidfried right there... "The Elder Scrolls VI, GTA 6, Overwatch 2, Diablo 4 and Red Dead Redemption 3", you've perfectly illustrated why a gamer like me - a self confessed Sony fanboy and technophile, gamer of 30+ years - would rather throw some cash at a Switch in the next 12-18 months than another powerhouse console.

@Kidfried It's really not.

Mario is a character used in fairly diverse games. Almost all mainline mainline Mario entries have significantly improved upon or significantly changed the gameplay in some way; be it at a system or even control/hardware level. That's even true of Mario Kart.

Can't really comment on Pokemon as I'm not a fan, but they do shift hardware.

Bigger & shinier Iterations of multiplatform fodder holds little enough sway as it is, the next console generation is going to be solely based on presentation and virtual/mixed reality. Pretty uninspiring.

@Kidfried You're right. It wont run those.

But who expects it to?

70m people didnt buy a 3DS because of what it COULDNT do. It was cheap enough, had a large library, two things to make it an impulse buy.

And we will see how many gamers "care" about Switch at the end of this month when we see its first 13 months of sales.

Subjectivity is rife.

Regardless I have a copy of KH 1.5 + 2.5 on the way...assuming it doesnt get cancelled...

Getting games at retail in the UK is becoming harder and harder.