You can’t delay a game that’s never been dated, right? Many were disappointed by the lack of hard release dates at Sony’s E3 2017 press conference this week, but the platform holder’s admitted that it took this approach on purpose, in order to avoid the disappointment that follows when titles are sometimes pushed back.
“That was intentional,” Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida said of the lack of release dates. “We had announced release dates of many games that we had to apologise and push back in the past, so we got together and discussed seriously. The PS4 games are so big and all of the teams – veteran teams who’ve been making games for the last 20 years – still miscalculate how much work is done at the very last part of the cycle, be it polishing or debugging. So we agreed not to announce release dates until very, very, very, very, very close to the release date.”
Yoshida continued that this approach is tough, but it’s for the best: “It puts a lot of challenge on our sales and marketing teams, but they understood and agreed and allowed us to just say the [release] windows, until we are close. So that’s the reason we didn’t announce any actual dates.”
What do you think of this? With games getting increasingly complex, it certainly makes sense – but would you rather know the exact date that the company’s targeting, or are you cool with a vague release window until everything’s set in stone?
[source gamespot.com]
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I agree with it because so many games miss their release window. I would like a game to come out finished and not felt rushed. Hopefully this would mean no day one patches lol.
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i just hope they don't disappear into obscurity like Agent
@The_Great_WmR Which games do you think would disappear? We only got a logo for Agent, whereas stuff like God of War are clearly nearing completion.
You can't delay something without release date.
Zomg!! They delayed releasing the release date!
@get2sammyb Perhaps dreams if nothing gets revealed about it this year. Maybe we are all lucky and Agent just had a similar dev cycle as The Last Guardian, we might never know
Not a problem for me
Meh, I like to know target years if possible but then I don't tend to get too annoyed with delays. HZD was delayed, as was UC4 and no one is going to complain that the time wasn't well spent.
Bethesda is still the reigning champ with release dates. "Oh here are some new games we have, and yeah they are out in 4 months".
@ShogunRok I guess you rather take the EA route just bring the broken game on the original releasedate.
**Pennywise voice** Wise, Sony, very wise indeed.
I don't have an issue with games not being dated until they are 99% confident or more of delivering the game at that time.
I do have issue though (albeit minor) of showing games so far in advance that they show up year on year at E3, Gamescom and/or PSX. I would rather Sony showed much more of the games we can expect to be playing in the next year (before the 'next' E3, Gamescom etc) and therefore could be in a much better position to give dates.Its good to see 1 or 2 longer range games but revealing a game and knowing its going to be out in the next year is far better than revealing a game and 2-3yrs+ later still waiting for it...
@ShogunRok that's so good, I both laughed and scolded myself for not immediately coming up with it 😂
@BAMozzy
Like Phantom Dust, Sea of Thieves, Scalebound, Crackdown, and Cuphead? I agree.
Smart. Delaying past a given release date only produces frustration in fans. Better to leave it open in case they need more time for development/polishing.
This is good, End of.
Obviously I'd rather have a concrete release date, but considering the amount of delays these days, this is probably for the best.
It makes sense, just give us an expected window for release until closer to the time and update that if it gets pushed back. It seems a odd not having a specific date for Detroit yet if it's mean my to be 2017 though, I'd like to know if it's been delayed :/
Days gone as well, I'm sure I saw that's Aiming for this year?
They should put at least a window with a huge "tentative" like when they use temporary titles. People wont be excited if they dont even know if the game is releasing in 2 years or a decade. Delays are inevitable in this industry, broken games or not.
@lacerz I agree that MS has done the same thing with some of their games too but I am not hypocritical to criticise Sony for this and NOT MS. Its something I dislike from ALL software providers - whether its Sony, MS, EA, Ubisoft etc etc
However if you want to make this about Sony vs MS, how many games did Sony show off in E3 2016 that actually launched before 2017 E3? Now compare those 2 (Last Guardian and Horizon) to ReCore, Forza Horizon 3, Dead Rising 4, Gears of War 4 and Halo Wars 2 - maybe more but those were the 'big' ones.
Sony could of shown Yakuza, Persona, Gravity Rush, Nier and Nioh instead of Days Gone, God of War, Spider-Man, Death Stranding and/or Detroit - maybe showing 1-2 at most - but at least we would have had a better look at the year ahead without seeing most of these several years in a row. When was Dreams and Wild Shown? As others have said, we had a Kickstarter pledge for Shenmue 2 years ago along with FF7 remake and still seem 'years' from these too. Its not like Sony didn't have games releasing in the next year that could have been shown instead but opted to give us games that won't arrive for years in a lot of cases. Maybe this year was more representative than normal and that Sony will in future not reveal their games so far in advance too.
As stated I know MS also show games with at least a year or more still to go BUT often more of their E3 is representative of the coming year in terms of games we will see released.
@BAMozzy
Remember, Dead Rising 4 is one of those timed exclusives Microsoft hates...and I personally like knowing what's coming.
The Last Guardian, Nioh, Gravity Rush 2, Dangronpa, Nier, Horizon, Yakuza, two Kingdom Hearts, Persona...all in the last seven months? It's not like I'm lacking for games.
@BAMozzy The only title I can think of currently in this position from SONY, announced with 2-3+ years is Dreams. Every other title they showed off was either announced 1 year ago, at PSX, or was new.
The titles that weren't shown, TLOU Part 2 and Death Stranding, were specifically disclaimed as being early in development. And even they are likely coming out 2019 That's about 3 years since announcement, but everything else is within that 2 year bracket.
@zimbogamer and fully functional 1 -2 months after lunch! joking
@BAMozzy The conferences would be much shorter to the point where it's hardly worth bothering. These shows aren't really meant for games that are 6 months out but more for games in the next 3 years.
I prefer knowing the release dates and I'm fine with delays but I'm fine with this. Kinda expected considering how some people act when delays are announced.
I've just been burned before with "here's an amazing trailer!" Then a year later (nothing new to announce). And a year later (we're still working on it - promise! And then nothing. Like out of all of sony's games right now, I expected a release date for detroit and I don't think we even got a window. That game has to be somewhat nearing completion right? Yet it didn't even get a 2018 moniker.
No specific release date until the game is nearly ready to go is fine. However, I like a general release window (Spring 2018) rather than just a year. At least then I can adjust my hype level. I would assume most developers have a quarter as a tentative deadline and it still provides wiggle room with delays on a specific date.
@lacerz perhaps @BAMozzy was trying to stay on topic and not talk about MS?
Topic on hand: I suppose dating releases really doesn't matter to me unless it's a game I really, really want to play. Even then, my backlog is so immense that time flies before I know it.
@get2sammyb "Which games do you think would disappear?"
Depends if you mean disappear entirely or from the console. As a Wii U owner I feel like all I see on Switch are games that started on Wii U and got the boot but could run just fine on Wii U - Mario, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Kirby, Yoshi.
So games that could be endangered on PS4 include FF7R, Death Stranding, Dreams, BG&E2. Maybe Detroit.
I think Sony would like to keep Days Gone and TLOU2 far apart, and ND already said they want to keep that away from Uncharted, so if Days Gone gets delayed it could push TLOU2 to PS5.
Of course when PS5 launches matters. If that's 2020 then PS4 will still get them all. 2018 or 2019, who knows?
@lacerz I never said DR wasn't, it was shown off by MS and released that year which was the point I was making and Rise of the Tomb Raider the year before. Timed or not, its still 'exclusive' and NOT available on any other console in the next year at the time of reveal. Its not like you can go out and buy Dead Rising 4 for PS4 IF you wanted to.
All those games, with the exception of Horizon and Last Guardian could have been shown at E3 2016 - given more coverage and exposure, promoted more. It would of shown off the diverse line-up and given gamers a snapshot of what games they can expect to play before the next E3 when they can then show off the 'next' year in gaming...
I really don't know why you have to keep bringing MS into this or trying to make out that I don't know what Sony offered as if I don't have a PS4 or Pro. Fact is I own both a PS4 and PS4 Pro as well as Xbox One console(s) so know exactly what both say, do and end up offering!
I'd rather just have a vague release window until the game is almost completed (90%?).
@ToddlerNaruto Yeah, I think I agree. You don't need to know the exact date until it's set in stone really.
@get2sammyb Otherwise you end up with alot of delays and disappointed fans.
Sure it sucks having the game in release date limbo, but it beats the alternative.
I work in technology and delays are unavoidable. From hundreds of lines of code and assets 10 years ago to gazillions today. Bug testing every possibility is a mammoth task. We all know what happens when a game is announced and rushed to shelves whilst still full of bugs (mass effect andromeda) or stories incomplete (deus ex)... it annoys us like crazy! And brings the brand optimism down.
I'd rather not see anything until 3 to 6 months before a release.
A quick reveal one year, a longer trail the next, and then no release month never mind a date. That practice should be outlawed by the gaming high council.
Id rather have this than a release date. Ive been waiting for the new South Park game, which was originally set to release late 2016 i think. Then it got delayed to March 2017, and now delayed to October lol
Totally fine with it, no argument's here.. makes perfect sense! I mean hell its pretty obvious at least to me wich are going to take a bit more time, plus theres plenty of content in between! Let the devs take all thr time they need to get everything right! =)
@viciousarcanum Hmm? I think I understand what you mean, but you definitely left out a word or two at the end of your post. Regardless I agree!
@lacerz Dead Rising 4 they can keep that 1. 😀
@BAMozzy Dead Rising 4 keep it on the Xbox mate. Tombraider i have the game now in the meantime i was playing other stuff. Besides Tombraider there is nothing on the Xbox i like and even that game is available on the PS4. Sony has great First party games polished up to perfection. I love the many differrent titles. You have Halo, Gears of War, Forza nothing i like.
@Flaming_Kaiser I had Tomb Raider a year before, I also had Gears, Forza, Halo, Rare Replay, Sunset Overdrive , Titanfall, a lot of the BC games etc etc. However I also have Horizon:ZD, Uncharted, Killzone, Infamous etc too so its not like I am missing out on the best that Sony have to offer as well. Incidentally, not that you care, but a LOT of MS exclusives are also polished up to perfection and award winning titles too... Whether you like them or not, they are still more games to play and these are just the AAA games. There is also a lot of games like Ori, Cuphead etc too. I know Sony has a lot of good Indies too but I am nit limited to those just on Sony...
Not all of Sony's exclusives have been polished to perfection - Driveclub, No Man's Sky. Not all have received universal praise - Knack, the Order - and before you get petty again and start citing the MS games that didn't work well at launch like Halo: the Master Chief Collection (at least online), I am well aware of these too.
I couldn't care less if Dead Rising does go to PS or not. In fact I couldn't care less if consoles had NO exclusives and these all released to one device - save me having to buy multiple consoles. I could just but the console that delivered the best performance, or the one with the best controller, features, online etc but as we do have to put up with exclusivity, then I have to buy multiple devices. Good job I don't need to do that with Bluray players or music systems...
I highly approve. Announcing release dates is pointless unless it's very likely it will stay that way.
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