Update: A pretty significant update on today's big story: Xbox boss Phil Spencer has confirmed that future Bethesda games could still come to PlayStation platforms, despite the fact that the company is now owned by Microsoft (as reported by Jason Schreier).
Naturally, all future Bethesda games will release on both Xbox and PC, but their appearance on other consoles will be determined on a "game by game basis". This is still rather vague wording, but the bottom line is that not all of Bethesda's output will be locked to Xbox.
What's more, Spencer says that Xbox and Bethesda plan to honour Sony's timed exclusive deals for both Deathloop and Ghostwire: Tokyo. It's understood that these deals were put in place before Microsoft snapped up parent company ZeniMax Media.
Original Story: Microsoft rocked the gaming world earlier today when it announced that it had acquired ZeniMax Media — the parent company of Bethesda Softworks. This means that Microsoft now owns the development teams that make titles such as The Elder Scrolls, Fallout, DOOM, Wolfenstein, Dishonored, and more.
However, the terms of this deal are still a little unclear. From a PlayStation perspective, many of you will be wondering whether all of this means that future Bethesda games will be Xbox console exclusives. Unfortunately, we don't have a concrete answer to that question just yet.
There's no mention of Xbox exclusivity in the various statements that both Microsoft and Bethesda have released. In fact, Pete Hines, VP of PR and marketing at Bethesda, writes: "The key point is we’re still Bethesda. We’re still working on the same games we were yesterday, made by the same studios we’ve worked with for years, and those games will be published by us."
Going by this sentence alone, it would appear as though Bethesda will still self-publish at least some of its games — perhaps titles that have already been announced and are already in development. This suggests that these games will still be multiplatform, and could still release on PlayStation consoles.
It's worth noting that Microsoft owns Minecraft, for example, but it still allows the game to be released and supported on other platforms. A similar structure could be in place with Bethesda's studios and its properties, but again, we don't have clear confirmation either way.
To make things even weirder, let's not forget that Sony has timed exclusivity deals in place with Bethesda for not one, but two different games. Both Deathloop and Ghostwire: Tokyo will arrive on PS5 first. We live in strange times.
It might be frustrating, but we're just going to have to wait and see how all of this pans out. The bottom line is that Microsoft now owns Bethesda. Whether Bethesda will remain somewhat independent in terms of releasing its games, we don't know.
[source bethesda.net, via News: The Elder Scrolls, Fallout Developer Bethesda Bought By Microsoft]
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Who knows. All I know is that moneyhatting just results in arguments which applies to both Xbox and PlayStation. This generation isn’t about the consoles, it’s about who spends the most money on buying up exclusives.
They totally will be. Xbox will more than likely keep the Deathloop and GhostWire PS5 timed exclusivity, but after that? Expect to never see a new Bethesda game on PlayStation ever again.
I think it's pretty much guaranteed they'll switch to Xbox and PC exclusively at some point. You don't spend $7.5bn to not gain some form of market advantage for your core business. Sony couldn't pull a move like this. No way.
not to sound like an anti multiplat guy but what would be the point of such a huge purchase if MS won't get the exclusive games exept for maybe some exclusive content here and there?
i know MS wants it's gaming services to be on every platform in the world but still.
I think Microsoft has stated at some point during all these acquisitions, that these companies will still be relatively autonomous in their operations. So I am sure multi-platform franchises will still be multi-platform (look at Minecraft). Money will just filter to Microsoft.
However, Game Pass value will shoot up as Bethesda games will all be added to Game Pass (and stay there). When Starfield/ES6 do come out, they will be Game Pass day 1 instead of paying $70/piece elsewhere - that Game Pass subscription is looking mighty appealing!
I don't think exclusivity is where it's at for Microsoft. Sure they have a few but they seem more focused on casting a wide net. But never say never I guess.
Seems likely there will be some top secret meetings with Sony & Microsoft round a table, looking to make a deal which is profitable to both.
@jdv95 It would suit their recent spiel if they bought these studios, and then released the games on PS5 anyway. "XBOX games are for everyone. No walls." All of that.
@GamingFan4Lyf Yeah this makes sense to me. Let the games release wherever, but add them to game pass and make that service look even better, while also appearing to be the benevolent lover of all gamers.
I hope I don’t have to get an Xbox to play this games!!
The weird thing about this is that Xbox hasn't just come out and said "future Bethesda games will be exclusive to Xbox". Without that kind of statement, it feels like we don't know the true details of this deal. It certainly doesn't appear to be as black and white as it might seem.
Perhaps Xbox has to watch the language that it uses since Sony has deals in place for Deathloop and Ghostwire. Like the article says, we really don't know.
But at the same time, Microsoft doesn't spend $7.5 billion on a company without getting as much as it can from the deal.
I can see them maybe doing a sort of timed exclusivity to Xbox consoles first if they do let them go multiplat at some point. They’d be silly not to.
As long as they get rid of that f$&@ing engine...
That's literally the million dollar question.
It depends if they are looking for the big profit or if they want to erode Sony marketshares in consoles...
I think the bigger franchises like elder scrolls and fallout will eventually come to PS maybe after some timed xbox exclusivity. They could have kept Minecraft to themselves but didn't.
Either way if they do come to PS they will more than likely be day one on gamepass to make that deal look even better.
If future bethesda games still launch on ps5, I think it means microsoft want to get out of console hardware market to become 3rd party publishers if the new xbox s/x didn't sells as much as xbox 360.
I just don’t see how Gamepass could ever be anything but a massive black whole for MS if all they want to do is provide games on it. It was losing money even before this purchase, now they are so far in the red it must be all they can see, may as well change from MS to LM. I am so intrigued about their end goal. Just gradually ramp up the price? Sell peoples data? Advertise other products?
This is the case irrespective of whether these are multiplatform or not.
My only idea is MS want to kill Sony and monopolise gaming long term so they can ramp up prices and go completely anti consumer.
i just hope the world's end, i hate seeing the news. Does winning determined by money alone then i will quit playing games. Microsoft just buy Sony already if you have the money.
@Shepherd_Tallon Also I would think there's always the possibility these companies under the Bethesda umbrella develop new ips exclusively for Microsoft but I can't see it with any of those current multi-platform properties.
Xbox must be planning an increase to cost of game pass within first few years of next gen.
I can’t see how their model is sustainable, spending $7.5 billion on studio
Losing money on console
Losing money in software sales with game pass impact
To keep the quality of games up game pass will need to be more expensive to buy.
At the moment though gamepass is insane value.
Hopefully they'll be exclusive to Xbox and pc. If it was reversed you'd all be high fiving each other and telling everyone to buy Ps5 for Elder Scrolls 6.
So strange. I’ll be honest though, acquiring ES and Fallout is a bit much. MS buying out studios like this instead of making them feels like it doesn’t make more great games, and it also makes me worry a little since MS hasn’t proven itself. They tried to do something platnium and it fell apart. I hope MS makes good games, but they haven’t proven they won’t mess things up yet. Losing the PS audience might be bad for something like ES.
It also might push Sony to make unneeded acquisitions like this back.
And of course, I’ll miss having Doom and some other Bethesda games too.
Hmm can MS afford Bethesda games on gamepass? I mean they won't be cheap to make? Gamepass would have to be pretty huge to make way for it.
Still this is a big move for Microsoft. I would not worry for the next few years - the funding for current or soon to be released games will not be affected by the buy out BUT future games that may not have had their funding such as Elder Scrolls - well yes, they could be moved over.
Will most likely be like past elder scrolls games, timed exclusivity and whatnot. I'm just worried about what Sony's response will be, they have money to use.
They could pull the plug on Playstation. However I don't believe it. They seem to be willing investing billions in game pass and are more than likely to take the revenue on other platforms to finance development costs of their games on other platforms. Like Ori on Switch. You can say bye bye to Bethesda games on PS Now though.
The market is changing so fast. Sony better starts to aquire Square Enix before Xbox does it.
GhostWire and Deathloop will be unaffected by this since it's obvious they can't be let go from whatever exclusivity contract those games have. However Starfield and TESVI are definitely going to become permanent Xbox/PC exclusives because of this. Theylll also probably stick a crap ton of past Bethesda games on Game Pass and both Starfield/TESVI will be available on there from launch too.
If Bethesdas games are on Game Pass day one, and EA games on there 6-12 months after release through Play, then it suddenly no longer seems sensible to pay £70 for a remake of a ps3 game, or £51 for a Lost Legacy size expansion pack.
This is the first time I've been glad that the Fallout series is going downhill
Can we please keep the obvious trolling and baiting to a minimum please. It's fine to discuss what this means for PlayStation as a community, but please don't be aggressive or disrespectful to other users.
I expect games like Elder Scrolls Online continue to be supported on all existing platforms, but Starfield? Elder Scrolls 6? Fallout 5, if there is one? All that will surely be XBox exclusive.
Then again, MS has been playing nice in some areas, like Minecraft, even spinoffs end up on PS and Switch, even if they have no competitive reason to do so.
Who knows what games they might decide "belong" on competitor's platforms going forward.
This could be one less reason to own a PS5
MS will have to look to bring Game Pass to the likes of Switch and PlayStation if it wants to seriously start recouping cost cos right now that service is a massive financial black hole.
@Medic_Alert
It’s an asset only as long as it’s making money. Put the games on Gamepass for pennies and suddenly they don’t make money.
It would not surprise me if they're still on PS5. Being able to say all those games are Day 1 on Game Pass is still a huge selling point.
I think the whining about it being anti-consumer is overboard. People say Xbox has no exclusives worth buy a console for, and MS are rectifying that. If anything, this just evens up the console race.
Definitely more impressed with xbox going into the new gen so far. Think like a lot of others have said I'll be buying one at launch and ps5 this time next year
There's no value in spending that much money on studios only to have them exclusive to a platform that may well be the smallest of the 3 consoles. PC and mobile will negate this somewhat but they're not making any money just on Gamepass
One thing I do like about this deal, a lot:
In last few years, Zenimax was starting to develop a money-hungry strategy, going for very grotesque micro-transactions. They were starting to get very ugly with Fallout 76. I hope Microsoft puts a stop to that.
As much as I want to see more XBox exclusives, though, I will feel a bit sad if every single one of these IPs vanishes from competing consoles, though.
It has been clear for a while that Xbox is not playing (maybe pun) this coming gen, they are taking it very seriously with all their power moves. Every move they make seems to be precise and well though out.
Sony on the other hand is a mess. They are making alot of PS3 era mistakes and it doesn't help that Jim Ryan comes off as disingenuous when ever he talks. I have no idea how next gen will play out but Sony can't just sit on their hands and expect to win.
Away from the currently announced ps5 exclusives, & any already announced,(ESO,fallout 76 as service titles at least this gen),not sure if the likes of latest Doom was getting any ps5 upgrade?
But Starfield/Elder Scrolls 6,& others likely exclusives for Team Green from there.
Its ironic that had this been Sony,the major gaming sites would have screamed it being anti-consumer,but Gamer Phil keeps buying up 3rd party studios & noone questions his statements vs his actions.
Just a hottake here but really, who cares? What has Bethesda done latey that's remotely even worth caring about? Yes, they published a few games but ES6 is years away, Starfield is MIA and the least said about Fallout'76 the better.
I'm not a massive fan of WRPG's and especially Bethesdas so this isn't worrying me much.
@Deljo exactly the opposite for me, PS5 could well have several major first party exclusives before Xbox has even just Halo to show for itself
@Iroha Doom Eternal. The answer is Doom Eternal.
@S1ayeR74 what do you mean 'will' make poor games. They already do. Skyrim is janky AF. Fallot '76 was a disaster. Perhaps 7 years ago this would have been juicy. Now they'll be lucky not to the same way as Rare.
@thehappyaerithch It's all good. Disagreeing is one thing but that guy is clearly just a troll. He's why the ignore button is there.
You have to give it to Microsoft, this coming out just before preorders open on Xbox Next gen.
Even if they haven't specifically said that games such as fallout and Elder scrolls will be console exclusive to Xbox, the fans who really want to play these future releases may be swayed to go with an Xbox
@Iroha oh ok so DOOM is a poor game is it? You lost any credibility you may have had the instant you typed that comment.
@Tens sure this isnt the last developer they buy either. Who is next?
MS has got the money to push Sony out of the console industry if they want. They literally could buy every major third party publisher no problem. Financially Sony could never compete with that.
If these games come to PS5 would Microsoft pull the $60 on Xbox and $70 on PS5 card?
@S1ayeR74 DOOM is PUBLISHED by Bethesda, MADE by ID Software. Anything that Bethseda makes from the ground up has been an utter disaster.
@zupertramp Yeah that's always a possibility too. Interesting times.
Thats really surprising. Ansmd shocking.wow.prey.dishonored.evil within.love those game.word up son
Definitely will be interesting to see how this goes. Big move by Microsoft here.
@thehappyaerithch I bought a ps4 slim for Earth Defence Force 4.1 and 5. Also bought no man's sky on it because it looks better on ps4 compared to Xbox One. Also downloaded the free uncharted collection too.
I'm not even mad... just confused....
@Iroha
Who are both now owned by Microsoft? What are you getting at.
Also not every game is for everyone, but Skyrim sold something like 20 million copies. Clearly a lot of people care.
Honestly, $7.5 billion dollars is sickening really in todays climate. Sure Microsoft will get it back, but just thinking how that money could be used...
M$ not winning friends with these aggressive moves. Yes Sony does it too with Insomniac etc, but they also have a history of building up their own studios and talent. Microsoft have literally just snapped up 5 or 6 studios.
If i were Microsoft id stay multiplat because they will make their money back much more quickly selling to as many consumers as possible. They'd be able to take solace in the fact that playstation players are essentially funding the purchase, compared to xbox users who will most likely just play on gamepass
@ken_kaniff I'm pretty certain Antitrust laws would have a say.
PC gaming is going to be more and more popular, that's for sure.
lol reddit just ripped me a new one for saying this may mean exclusivity for ESO or ES in general.
I'm not sure further consolidation of the industry is remotely healthy in the long run, as there will eventually be fewer and fewer big players. Sony will certainly respond in kind with its own acquisitions. I plan on getting a Series X anyway down the line, but has Microsoft considered using its money to build new studios and franchises rather than just buying established ones that release games on their competitor's hardware?
@wiiware I you you guys are seriously under estimating Microsoft lol
Unless they change their god awful engine, I couldn't care less. Fallout 4 is the last buggy mess ill play on that engine.
Microsoft is pretty generous with games it could absolutely be stingy about, like Minecraft, Cuphead, the Ori games, etc.
I personally think this is less motivated by the desire to take games away from the competition (like Sony's EGS-esque timed exclusivity deals) than it is to profit from healthy sales of the company's games.
God, imagine how much more attractive this'll make Game Pass!
@carlos82 fair enough, the fact that I can still play spiderman and horizon 2 on the pro leaves very little I'm interested in for the first 6 months or so, think this was mistake by Sony. Everything else is multiplat so that combined with gamepass makes it an easy choice at the moment.Not to mention £70 games which is just crazy...
@Ken_Kaniff monopoly laws wouldn't allow it. It would be nice for them to create a studio and make it successful, instead of buying success. I'm not really worried about Bethesda, majority of their games are buggy messes.
The likes of Starfield and TES 6 are many years away anyway but this is a big win for MS and how deep their pockets are.
Maybe in the long term this will mean the end of the PlayStation brand but that's not going to happen for a long long time.
So chill everyone, Xbox DO believe in exclusives after all and Sony IS their competition. Turns out Phil was full of ***** as many on here long suspected.
😜
I assumed that statement meant they’ll continue to publish their currently announced games on the systems they’ve announced them for, but for the future I don’t think we’ll see Playstation releases. PC + Xbox
This is huge for MS. I hope they won't become exclusive but for the amount of money they spent I am expecting it will be!
@Deljo id have probably stuck with my Pro but I got a good deal selling it which covers most of the cost of the PS5. Never played a Souls game so I'm excited for that at launch but I'm looking to get the Series S as well for The Medium
On a side note Batfink was awesome
I don't think it matters what MS says about exclusivity right now, follow the money. If they can make more money as an exclusive they will, if they can make more money as a multiplat they will, if they can make more money streaming Gamepass to PS5 via Xcloud, they will.
What this deal does is give them those options, it doesn't lock them into 1 way of doing business.
Edit: MS bought Mojang for $2.5B just for Minecraft 6 years ago. $7.5B for Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Doom and whatever else doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. Anybody know where the DOW was in 2014 compared to know? It's all fake money to MS. They paid about the same for Nokia, $7.2B, sold it for nothing 3 years later. It's just paper to them.
https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/25/11766540/microsoft-nokia-acquisition-costs
@Medic_Alert
I didn’t say they would crash, just that they would lose money / value (same thing).
Gamepass is absolutely not sustainable at currently levels under the current model. How many subscriptions do you think it would take to earn the 7.5billion outlay back? (yes I know that technically this is largely retained in asset value for now but it’s still an outlay).
MS are buying subscribers, but the the games industry cannot keep its current quality whilst having huge investments given away basically for free.
@Akurusu They have history of getting out the market when the competition is too hard, like with zune and windows phone. Beside, their current ceo is big on service that's available to anyone, they make more money selling games to anyone than selling only to their console and pc (most 3rd party games sells best on ps).
I think the games will still come to PS5/PS4 because Microsoft can't hope to make enough money off of just Xbox owners and PC. The Playstation player base is way too big too leave out of the loop, especially for games like Elder Scrolls, Fallout and others. Deathloop will still be good on PS5 and so will Ghostwire Tokyo. I just see this as Zenimax getting more Money to make games. Sony will make sure they get games and might buy a big company coming up to go against this.
@AFCC It's a hard one to call - on the flip side, can they possibly afford not to publish the games on PS5? They just spent nearly the entire operating profit of PlayStation between 2013-2019 on ONE acquisition. Even with Microsoft's vast fortune, how long does an investment like this take to be profitable? Or do they just write it off for the sake of bragging rights and not really worry about if/when it makes its money back?
Not an easy answer and I'll be fascinated to see how they handle it.
I mean, I don't love something like this happening but what did people expect? All this generation it was 'Xbox has no games.' MS actually heard the complaints and decided to do something. And this should be a cold dose of reality for those who thought certain companies were 'too big to be bought.' Maybe too big for Sony or Nintendo but MS is just a tad bigger and has just slightly more $.
Disappointed and a little shocked. however I love the games that are coming for the PS5. Demon souls and Spiderman Miles look out of this world. Plus so much to look forward to in 2021. The Playstation studios are the best in the world in my opinion so for me, even if Microsoft carry on buying up devs, they can never touch the games i value the most.
A lot of Gaas incoming to Xbox Game pass. The other games probably will be on PlayStation.
Wait a minute, I think I understand. So what you guys are saying, is that Fallout: New Vegas 2 is now a definite possibility?
@AdamNovice Well their doing it. They've bought up every decent independent developer really left. Now they bought ZeniMax thats a parent company to a publisher that has about eight studios under its umbrella and about seven major multiplatform franchises under it. You can deny it all you want but big companies do this all the time. Look at Walmart
@Medic_Alert
No, I’m sure they have, and I’m sure they have a plan in mind for making money from their subscribers far beyond just offering games, I’m simply wondering what that is.
@carlos82 which makes sense if you got a good deal on the pro. I've tried the Souls games but too frustrating for me (dont think I'm as good as I was when I was young...) will definitely get a ps5 but just think I'll wait a little for that killer game such as GoW 2.
Was watching retro cartoon intros on utube and batfink was on there, loved it as a kid 😁
This whole article and its sentiment can be summed up with:
"Mojang".
I rest my case.
Updated the article.
RAGNAROK IS COMING
@Iroha And Bethesda own ID so what’s your point again? Not a very good attempt to deflect away from this news.
Be very interesting to see how Sony respond. Maybe they'll buy a prominent developer or try something else. MS have very deep pockets (nothing to do with the Xbox division mind) so Sony can't compete if it comes down to a bidding war.
@ShogunRok makes sense, Minecraft is still multiplatform and why spend that much money to ignore what could potentially be the biggest market. They've said many times recently that they don't see themselves as in competition with Sony and are seemingly more than happy to sell games elsewhere
I get the feeling big games like ES will still be on Playstation. I don’t think they want to lose the 10+ million sales that will come from it.
So sounds like MS are still releasing on PlayStation (too many customers to ignore) don’t expect them to state this during console launch though, snd also don’t expect them to allow the games on PS Now, they’ll be held for Gamepass.
Let's face it, this is a pretty devastating blow for Sony. I'm not sure how to feel about it really. Bethesda haven't really made a game I loved since Skyrim on PS3, Fallout 4 onwards seemed to be a spiral into bad games full of microtransactions. I'll be sad to miss ES6 and Starfield, but their recent output didn't really make me that hopeful for them anyway.
I'll miss Doom though, they have both been great games from ID this gen. I'm also glad we still get Ghostwire Tokyo as that looks ace.
@S1ayeR74 my point was that anything that Bethesda makes directly has been trash for the last however many years. SO you saying they might suddenly make rubbish games made me giggle cause they already do.
Anyhoo, it won't matter ifn five years when they decide they aren't making enough money from gamepass and suddenly just discontinue it with a day's notice a la Mixer.
@SegaBlueSky I am thinking MS will do just the same as they did with Minecraft and just profit from Sony. It is a smarter move tbh
@Bad-MuthaAdebisi LMAO - omg I think I have just been sick in my mouth a little.
I've said for over a year when the poor rumours of them not making consoles anymore, Microsoft are going back to there roots and becoming a software mainly company only. Windows no longer will have a new version every few years so the income will be lower than it ever was, the fact that X1 had hardly no decent exclusives from 3rd party speaks for its self and then before the new gen consoles they go out and buy up some of the top names in the industry and now ZenniMax.
I can't see MS making it exclusive I think they will still continue to release it all over to claw back that investment going forward, they havent stopped MineCraft on PS and they never will.
@Toypop - estimated manufacturing costs of XsX - $525, estimated manufacturing costs of PS5 - $425/$450 - who's making the bigger loss per unit?.
also, the playstation division makes more than $20bn in revenue per year, compared with the xbox division's (including PC) $10bn a year.. in fact PS's revenue is holding fairly steady, while xbox has already declined 21% this year. yes, Microsoft as a corporation has deep pockets, but do you honestly think the parent corp is going to perpetually fund losses for the gaming division?. satya nadella is not that accomodating.. spencer will be expected to deliver profit/sustained growth from the investment. they bought mojang for $2bn and have not had a single new IP from them.. maybe they don't need one, if they're milking minecraft on every single platform imaginable including the 'competition'.
No big deal as far as I'm concerned. Enjoyed Fallout 3 on PS3. Never completed New Vegas on 360. Had Dishonored, which was okay. That's about it, I think.
They're not a developer I personally will be losing any sleep over, especially as Bethesda has become a bit of a farce in recent years. And as I've said previously, if they should make anything worth my time in future, it'll be on PC.
@Snick27 SEGA most likely. Also Capcom, Square Enix or Bandai Namco are obvious candidates.
I don't care about Bethesda, but owning ZeniMax gives them Wolfenstein (MachineGames) and Doom (id Software). I really want to continue to play those games as the recent iterations have been amazing.
@Tens If Microsoft buy Square Enix or Sega id have no choice other than to buy an xbox. Capcom would also be a problem. I hope this never happens
@Toypop
Do you actually believe what you just wrote? Playstation just sold out all their preorders worldwide and you compare them to Ms 2013 ??!!
Stop trolling please.
as long as Playstation gets DOOM im happy, if not ill get a series s
@B-I-G-DEVIL
Game Pass will increase in cost at some point. No different than Netflix, Spotify, and any other subscription service. Prior to the Bethesda purchase, Game Pass was a viable business on it's own. MS is betting more and more people sign up and future Bethesda games keep people on the service in 2022+.
Fantastic news for Xbox. This is just business. Sony buys Insomniac games to keep them away from Xbox. MS buys Bethesda. Good times for all.
@JON22 I'd never recommend anyone buy FO or TES on PS5 or any console. With their reliance on console commands to fix game breaking bugs, fan patches to actually sort out all the glitches, and the mods to improve the game in various ways, like making people not look like potatoes, these games are by far better played on PC. That's why this seems a little odd - most of their games already sell most of their copies on MS platforms anyway.
@Hobbesyall you won’t! You can also play them on Android phones, tablets and PC!
Oh, and Nintendo Switch.
@Zeke68 you don’t know how big the pre-order stack was, though. Could be a couple of hundred for all you know.
@B-I-G-DEVIL not necessarily.
If you have a big enough install base, you will earn enough money, also for the big games. The install base isn’t big enough yet, but they’re aiming to get 2 billion players. Everything is sustainable with that amount of people.
Sony has 105 million consoles, Microsoft is still in the business of making money, it would be stupid to not release games on playstation platform.
Timed exclusivity and dlc will probably be a thing though, but you need a good 6 months to work out Bethesda bugs anyway.
“Did this one sell enough to make it’s budget back?”
“Nope.”
“Well now it’s multi platform!”
Seems Microsoft just cares more about gamers. Sony wouldn't allow this
@Iroha ok, so you don’t like Skyrim and all Fallout installments prior to Fallout 76 for example?
‘Everything is a disaster’, a lot of people disagree with that statement about Bethesda.
@SirAngry Also don't spend 7.5 billion to leave what is probably 20 million sales on the table.
@oldschool1987 Neither Sony nor Microsoft care about gamers. We just contribute to their bottom line at the end of the day. Thats why console wars are silly.
@severeatrophy a bump in mind share the day before pre-order. I can imagine that's by accident.
Great move by Microsoft especially the day before the Xbox pre orders when no one can pre order a ps5 currently. Im sure some of the games will still come to playstation. Time will tell. Hopefully this makes Sony wake up.
@Rob_230 I doubt the gaming market we know today will persist for many more years. Google, Apple, Amazon & Tencent are all in for creating gaming services. Sega, Capcom, Platinum Games, Bandai Namco and even Ubisoft, EA and Activision are all attractive targets.
@LeeHarveyOzgod
MS should indeed eyeball the PS install-base as one of the factors before deciding to make a game exclusive or not. The economics of boosting Game Pass vs Tapping into that market has to be part of the conversation. Would love to sit in on those remote sessions.
I am utterly shocked. I didn't even expect this in my wildest dreams or in this case, nightmare...
Even if it does come to they now own Inxile, Bethesda, and obsidian. What a powerhouse in terms of rpg talent.
It was definitely a smart move by Microsoft. Bethesda has a lot of popular franchises and exclusives are a big part of why Sony makes up over half of the gaming market. Losing Fallout, TES, Doom, and Wolfenstein is gonna be a kick in the nuts.
@Kidfried Nope. Sony buys time exclusivity and other studios themselves. MS can do the same. Just business.
Microsoft will keep the best games for themselves and give us whatever is leftover. Just like they kept Hellblade 2 and gave us Minecraft 😑
Good news, so their games will arrive on PS5 already patched.
But I also would love if Sony decide to create their own Fallout/Elder Scrolls-alike games.
@Dave81j6 gamepass is already losing money this just increases the loss
They admitted they want to take the short term hit on it but it’s what happens after that. Hopefully the get the user numbers to keep cost down otherwise price will shoot up.
Either way I’m fascinated / impressed by the gamble they taking on it. Good for consumers now so hopefully that continues and no drop in quality
If ESO goes to XBOX exclusively then it’s unfortunate that I’ll be done with the game. I don’t hate XBOX or anything like that but I just like to own only 1 console. I’ve owned multiple before and spent far too much money on video games. ESO is one of my all-time favorites so it’s a tough call.
@RBMango it wouldn't make sense in the short term because they need to justify spending the money and Sony so far has the numbers. I would expect timed exclusives or maybe special editions for IP's such as Elder Scrolls.
I'm going for PS5 and this wouldn't change my mind but I would be lying if I said I wasn't gutted if they put Elder Scrolls on Xbox only. I love that series but it will just be something I can't play if its tied to xbox only.
I think Phil Spencers comment on case by case basis is to push people to Xbox preorders by keeping it up in the air. Otherwise he would outright say exclusive only.
@Akimi In how many generations and how many platforms. Spiderman sold 13 million games on the PS4.
@LeeHarveyOzgod sorry, but that is literally what they have done. They've just said all Bethesda / Zenimax games are going day and date to Game Pass. They clearly don't care about game sales. I'm not being a fanboy about it, just saying it as I see it. They've spent $7.5bn to make Game Pass attractive, and the best way for most to access Game Pass will be via an Xbox console. It's a baller move. Sony might respond, but they don't have the cash to get into toe to toe fights with Microsoft.
So will this gen be dominated by exculsive's?,e.g buying studios,and paying for third party exculsive(timed or not),because if so ,screw next gen,because its going to make it hard to get ,even the casual third party games on one platform.
It's getting harder to stay with PlayStation at this point after 25 years of loyalty. This acquisition is bigger than exclusivity of God of War and Spider-Man for me.
If the Persona games do end up going to Xbox too which is possible then I won't be able to resist switching.
@Trajan I hope they don't buy anyone. I am Playststion through and through (not toxic fanboy level mind you). But what both Sony and MS are doing with these major studios is just hurting players now and its boring. I get having some timed exclusivity with 1st party games but this game of one-upmanship at the minute is just a joke. Although I wish one of them would buy the IP's from Konami they have no good steer on games like Metal Gear and Castlevania and someone needs to take them off their hands!
@Friendly the important number here isn’t install base it’s subscribers which sits at 15m the £1 deal helped them reach 10m its now about pricing it to gain and hold onto subscribers. Still very impressive start but still big gap to make money from it.
@starbuck2212 Other big companies have got away with doing this kind of stuff for years. Their were already talks about MS also buying EA and WB. Believe me this isn't the last major publisher they buy. That law might stop them from buying them all, but they can buy the majority of them and slowly push Sony out. They can't compete financially with MS. Its a smart move by them to eventually win the console war. Like you said they can't built good teams of their on, so their just gonna buy the majority of them with their deep pockets.
For Microsoft to have any big success with GamePass and this new aquisition, all games beeing on day one on gamepass or not, Microsoft has to branch out with it's support for Xbox features. Most of you are from US or UK and have no idea that Microsoft has no support outside this contryies. Most EU contryies if you want to play online or buy games digitally you have to make a UK account. And you always risk of beeing banned. Playstation will soon have PSNow in more contryies where they have a very big install base.
@Rob_230 seeing as you're being semantic, I'll clarify...
Microsoft are being more consumer friendly at the moment. I hope that was more to your liking.
I don't know where the console war comment came from? I'm a PlayStation gamer first and foremost, but I own all consoles. Competition is a good thing, nothing wrong with Microsoft making the competition sweat a little.
@Toypop - the sony's in dire financial straits rhetoric is from about a decade ago.. it's a broken record. its music and movie divisions just posted revenues of $8bn and $10bn. it has its own financial services division in japan which is in fine health. spiderman homecoming, once upon a time in hollywood and jumanji next level had bigger revenue than the whole of the xbox division in 3 months. do they have microsoft (the parent company) levels of capital.. of course they don't. but equating corporate level finances with specific divisional ones, doesn't work.. apple and google have bigger finances than microsoft yet both have dropped support for products/services.. microsoft's billions got them absolutely nowhere in the mobile market. they closed their digital bookstore and had to refund everyones purchases, after it was a huge failure. eventually the xbox division will have to justify its massive expenditures to its corporate overlords..
as for the pre-orders. you have no idea how much stock was made available.. "just a handful of units" is laughable.. if they're breaking pre-order records, then it must be more than were pre-ordered for PS4?.. considering that broke sales records... the reality is neither sony nor MS might be able to meet their respective fanbase demands, since production runs have been hampered this year so that less will be produced than is optimal. the likelihood is they will be outsold by the nintendo switch in the christmas period.. if sony got real aggressive on PS4 price and dropped it to $99, i think a $149 PS4 with SM:MM bundle could see it outsell the next-gen machines as well.
i was 60% percent sure to switch to Xbox the new generation, specially with gamepass. After this news i'm 100% certain that to make the switch.
Xbox are going balls to the wall for this next gen aren't they. I genuinely don't know how Sony are going to compete if they keep up this momentum.
And yes, I know ps5 will still sell, but that doesn't necessarily equate quality, diversity or pro consumer moves.
i'm struggling to see the point in sony continuing the timed exclusive deals for deathloop and ghostwire at this point to be honest.. presumably the intention is to align a product in public consciousness with your brand, but seems counterproductive if you're not going to get any of the sequels. sony'd be better spending the money on something else.
At at least 15 million Game Pass subscribers, Xbox division is making between 150 million and 225 million USD a month from Game Pass subscriptions. Not sure how that's a financial black hole.
Probably just empty words, at least on PlayStation consoles.
@jorel262 With the install base of ps4, and the inevitable install base of ps5, I think MS would be MENTAL to block it appearing on there. They charge a fee for it to appear, Sony get x % per sale, MS get the rest. It's a win/win for them imo.
Who cares, I could still play this on my PC and I'm pretty sure from here on out, we can expect more GaaS games and MTX from Bethesda.
I wonder what Sony will do after hearing this. It's not enough for them to pull their hairs out but they should make a huge move soon.
@jdv95 every platform except their biggest competition .
I agree. There’s no world in which Microsoft keeps supporting PlayStation. They’re playing the long game here.
@BrainHacker People that cant afford an expensive PC but can afford a $300 series S definitely care.
I guess im in the minority on this of not really caring since ive never liked Elder or Fallout type games. Doom was ok but not something im gonna miss.
@Toypop Dude..just reading everything you said, it's clear you have zero clue on what you're talking about. Sony disposable? Just from this news? Get real. Bethesda is only a fraction of the gaming industry. Sony is still in good position, and they very well may just retaliate with a move of their own if they haven't yet behind the scenes. It's clear to me you're just the typical doom and gloom type that just likes to come in and misinformation. It's not working. We get it. You despise Sony. Regardless, they'll be fine and most of those games from Bethesda will come to PS5 as well because MS isn't going to throw away 7.5b on just Gamepass, and PC alone. Hence why most aren't even worried other than the minority who are quite vocal than the majority. That's all I have to say about that, and I'm done reading your nonsense. Bye now.
R.I.P Bethesda Well if their games are just on Xbox that is. Luckily I don't like any of their games(well the old DOOM games I like from id) So I couldn't care less really.
Some of the knee jerk comments in here are ridiculous
I wonder if Sony is going to pull a similar move and purchase a Japanese-based company like Capcom or Konami. I never really thought that they would, but after a power move like this, I don't know what's going to happen next.
@Toypop I agree a lot with your assessment of current sony. Though it's really a failure of management (isn't it always?) They have a lot of opportunity here. MS was made the underdog by their own blunders last gen, and a few years back their really dug in and came out swinging, and here we are. They doubled down as the champion of consumer value, and revamped everything to present the biggest value possible starting with their relentless focus on BC and long term investment into each game.
Sony clearly is in the underdog position this time. The smaller company, with a big legacy, the weaker hardware, unable to cut as deep on raw value. This is an opportunity for them to come out and be the "friendly" company that wants to give you traditional gaming for the best price instead of locked subscriptions, etc. etc. etc. They could spin it and they could put their money where their mouth is.
Instead, despite being in a weaker overall position they're acting as the bully, offering minimal value, trying to squeeze maximum margin out of every sale, and offering the least incentives other than "because we're playstation." And their pool of exclusives, while still great, has some weaknesses forming that they ought to be filling.
I think just as Microsoft made my Playstation better last gen, and Playstation is making my XBox better this gen, we'll see another type of reversal where Sony realizes their position and tries to present serious value and win back favor. But it's taking them too long because their management has their heads too far stuck up their rears. It's clear Ryan feels defensive and cornered, but he's just doubling down on what they wanted rather than reacting on the ground and showing where Playstation's value is. He's still sticking with "Be cause we're Playstation, that's why." Sony can do better. And under some other manager, I expect they will do better. But how much ground are they going to cede to MS first?
I have my PS5 ordered and I'm just hoping to secure my XSeX tomorrow. Though I'm doubtful I can, especially with this news. I think the PS5 is going to be a great platform, but I think it's going to take a few years and a new leader to really deliver on that.
@oldschool1987 Hey, apologies if i came across unecessarily awkward. I blame the internet for tone not coming across, but can appreciate it may have looked that way.
Totally agree that Microsoft are being consumer friendly at the moment. Game Pass is a sensational offer for gamers. I've been tempted by an Xbox for the first time ever, and i never thought i'd say that. I probably will get an S at some point.
I still have serious misgivings about game pass in the long run. I think it will do more harm than good, but there is no denying that its consumer friendly. The backwards compatibility with all previous generations too. I wholeheartedly applaud Microsoft for that.
The console war comment wasnt aimed at you either. It was a more general comment to try and better explain my point. The companies dont care about all the animosity that exists between 'blue' team and 'green' team, but they sure dont discourage it as they both profit from it.
I've read your stuff on here for ages and know you dont get involved in all that. And you are right. Things like this force Sony to be better which is absolutely critical.
@Rob_230 no need to apologise, its cool man ☺
Great comment as well, nothing I disagree with tbh.
Did you manage to get your PS5 pre-order in btw? What region are you in? Was a bit of a cluster in the UK, but managed to get one with Argos. Honestly can't wait.
@Toypop Sounds like you been smoking some good crack man. That’s some delusional a$$ sh$& right there. 😂
Not too bothered, Fallout is buggy garbage and a new one only on the xbox certainly wouldn't make me buy one.
@oldschool1987 🙌 cheers man. I never want to come across as confrontational, but sometimes when i rush my messages it appears that way Thanks for understanding!
I'm UK too! Managed to get my order in with the first batch that went live on Amazon fortunately. I'd registered with ShopTo, but they didnt email me till the following day to let me know i could preorder. Their site had completely crashed. It was insane everywhere.
Well done for getting an order in at Argos. I heard loads of stories of people getting all the way to checkout and then being booted. And like you say, everywhere else was madness. I missed the boat with both Smyths and GAME (although i try to avoid GAME if i can help it these days).
What launch titles are you getting 🙂 i have Miles Morales preordered, but am weighing up whether i can justify paying 70 quid to get my butt kicked on Demons Souls. I do have Cyberpunk and Yakuza Like a Dragon on order too, so i'll be treating them as launch titles.
I'm so excited. Never picked up a launch console before, but the hype got me this time out (curse Sony for opening the show last week with FF16 and closing with GoW). They had secured an order with those two titles alone! Id been planning to wait for Horizon to drop and get one then, but hey. 2020 has been a rough old year, so this is definitely something worth getting excited about 😁
@thefourfoldroot MS aren't in the red in any way shape or form. And you assume that they'll suddenly become anti consumer. Even though they've been the most consumer friendly game company for years.
@zimbogamer actually this is a response to Sony making exclusive deals with 3rd parties. Spiderman exclusive to Avengers. MSFT: ok, we will buy entire studios. Game on.
COD, Destiny 2.... list goes on and on.
Well this just makes my decision on getting and Xbox Series X all the more easier.
This is great news. Maybe we can finally get obsidian to work on fallout again. I'm glad Microsoft got them over Sony because knowing Sony they would've made these games exclusive only to ps while Microsoft wouldn't be that stupid to limit these games to one console.
Wtf? Seruuusly?
@Flaming_Kaiser
Spiderman is a great game, but it feels like you're using it to try
to diminish the value of the Zenimax acquisition. Which is just silly.
Damn :/
Gonna miss Fallout, at least I plan on getting a good PC soon so all is not lost.
@Akimi Oh im not trying too do that im just not a big fan of their games beside Doom and Dishonored. I was just putting it in perspective and i was kinds surprised that Skyrim only sold that amount with so many rereleases of the game. Im dissapointed that i wont be playing Dishonored though i like that game a lot.
@__jamiie
Of course Microsoft MS aren’t and they never will be due to their monopolistic advantages. The division that includes Xbox however is. Not that it matters, except they are a business that will have shareholders demanding return on investment and they are going to need to change the business model from what they are using to draw people in. I’ll be interested to view that from afar and see what happens.
And “consumer friendly” doesn’t exist in business, simply “good pr” and “bad people”.
So more than likely Playstation might not see the next Elder Scrolls game
@Flaming_Kaiser
If it makes you feel any better Dishonored was supposedly brought to a close with Death of the Outsider. Unless MS is planning on resurrecting it, you may not be missing out.
@Rob_230 I registered my interest with shopto back in February, you still have that registered interest. Log on now and confirm your interest, it'll go down as a pre order and backdate it to when you registered interest. So you might get the shopto one on day one still. Go to your pre orders page, it'll be there. I gave my pre order from them to my sister in-law when I got the Argos one.
I'll probably get Cyberpunk and AC Valhalla first, I still love Assassins Creed games. I'm hoping Sackboy will be good, I love LBP but I'll wait for reviews first. I think Sony are charging too much for their exclusives tbh.
It's exciting getting a day one console, isn't it? Been getting them since the PS2 era, but my parents got my the ps2 day one, I was still a kid then lol.
@Iroha Yeah 15 million subscribers and counting.. I think they are making enough money from it...
It's an interesting turn of events that's for sure. On the one hand, Bethesda have been gradually producing worse games over the past decade and turning towards gross monetisation, so I have pretty much stopped buying their games anyway. It's possible that Microsoft might pull them back to making the good stuff again though, which would be a positive outcome even if I can't play the games.
However, I do find it strange to see so many Xbox fans so excited. Excited for what? To play games they were already going to get anyway or excited that playstation owners might not get to play Bethesda games? Really, Microsoft has essentially paid 7.5b to have the power to take games away from Sony, that all. This isn't the same as Sony buying smaller studios and supporting them to flourish the way Naughty Dog and Santa Monica have. This is buying out a huge slice of the gaming industry and potentially taking it away from a large group of people. If they do make all Bethesda games exclusive it will be a ruthless move, but it would also be hard to blame them for it.
@Oz_Momotaro Yes they make 2-3 billion USD a year from GamePass but how much of it is pure profit? Same thing for Zenimax which doesn't make USD 0.5B profit per year. Revenue is not equal to profit and we don't know the cost of these services for Microsoft.
@Oz_Momotaro MS is a $1 trillion service company - so it must be doing something right.
It’s not a good things for consumers. We don’t need more giant conglomerates monopolising gaming. TenCent for instance.
This is big news for sure but at the end of the day they’d be losing that Sony money if they didn’t publish big AAA on all systems. Especially if Sony continue their trend of smashing MS in sales.
So what I’m saying is definitely worry about monopolies but don’t worry too much about MS having Elder Scrolls or Doom exclusively.
One question I have: Bethesda published both the Evil Within games which are by Tango Studios. Did Zenimax own Tango or the rights to these games? Is Tango now owned by MS?
@Arnna Tango is a subsidiary of ZeniMax, so yes, we can assume that they are included in the package.
@Armnd dammit cheers for the info
@Iroha
Yea, an utter disaster, if you consider the best selling of all time a disaster. Nobody makes a world as deep as Bethesda. Buggy? Sure. But cooking a masterpiece with many ingredients is a lot harder than frying a burger.
@GamingFan4Lyf they seem to do everything right except securing games that are exclusives and will sell the Xbox.
The game pass, commitment to backwards compatibility as well as their accessibility options are all great initiatives though.
@Toypop if you think Microsoft’s launch line up is better than Sony’s I don’t even know where to start
@Arnna But even Microsoft itself said that it's not worried about selling more consoles than Sony.
Any Game Pass purchase is an Xbox sale. Any Xbox Game Studio game purchase on Steam/Switch/PlayStation is an Xbox sale. Xbox isn't just a console anymore, it's Microsoft's entire gaming division.
Two players playing two totally different games.
Plus, you can't be so 1 dimensional when talking about Microsoft. Microsoft is in the majority of the worlds computers and in the majority of the worlds companies in one way shape or form. Heck, even Sony is using Microsoft Azure.
So, yes, Microsoft is doing something right.
I Loved Fallout 3 and 4, Wolfenstein series and Dishonored series, Sony in my opinion has really dropped the ball here by not digging deep for a counter offer, especially after hearing that Microsoft was interested in purchasing ZeniMax Media! I own both systems, but if I had only one choice for a parent company it would have been Sony not Microsoft, in a perfect world it would still be independent of both. But it's not, and now I fear that the quality of the different series of these AAA games are in jeopardy, because of a gut feeling, and Microsofts monopolization of Gaming Studios to help Force their vision of a streaming future, instead of all of us (the Gaming community) naturally steering ourselves in that direction on our own. It really pisses me off! I really wish Sony would have had a little more foresight and realized how really big that this purchase is to the overall gaming ecosystem. What a F'n shame. What a shame.
@GamingFan4Lyf I was obviously just referring to their gaming division. I just find MS’s approach a little weird.
@SirAngry They could but Microsoft has so much money that even if their investment fails they won`t be affected much unlike Sony.
@Arnna
Ms want to reach 3billion gamers now (they were talking about 2billion last year haha).
Makes me think of the 2013 water cooler they wanted to sell 1billion consoles. (Now the 'water cooler' is Game Pass)
In a way it's good for consumers because you just need a phone to play those games. I dont think it's good for games that need to be playable on a phone though. Gaas is their way to go too.
@Oz_Momotaro Firstly so how do you o ow how much they make from Game Pass? Did you just multiply the subscription cost by 15 million? That leaves out a LOT of variables I’d you did
Secondly Game Pass is not their only source of income.
And thirdly it’s business if they wish to charge Sony console owners full price, of course they will do that and that’s IF they decide to put those games on competitor platforms. They could even put DOOM on the Switch and ignore the PlayStation.
Sony is likewise buying up paid timed exclusives left and right, and they have done for ages. This is Xbox’s I have to say brilliant brutal reply to that action.
Watch MS put a big "Microsoft game studios" banner on the start screens of Deathloop and GhostWire. It's such a simple troll / marketing ploy its hard to see them not doing it!
This will not stop me getting a ps5. However, this does increase my chances of me getting the xbox x (definitely not the s) as a second console in the distant future. Starfield and the elder scrolls games are still at least a couple of years away, so no need to get the xbox yet. The other involved games do not interest me anyway, and Bethesda have done nothing to please gamers for ages (remember fallout 76 and all those games with microtransactios).
Sony have loads of games due out next year to keep me entertained until Bethesda release something interesting.
From a business point of view though this is a great move by microsoft, the best thing they have done for their players for years.
@Akimi OK thats a pity but i wont be getting the next anyway.
I have to hand it to MS, they really made a smart move here and shifted the balance of power somewhat. I'm happy for Xbox fans, as this will bring direct positive benefits to them, and TBH, Xbox was needing a win. They got it, and big time. As a PS fan however, I'm disappointed. Elder Scrolls and Fallout are 2 franchises that I - and most other gamers - love, and the thought that I won't be able to play them anymore unless I buy into the Xbox ecosystem / get a gaming PC, frankly sucks. Its also disappointing to see MS throw their substantial wallet around to brute force their relevance again. PS has bought up some developers true (as have MS), but PS has slowly built up amazing studios over time. With the Bethesda acquisition, MS just swooped in and took several big developers off the table by writing a stupidly large cheque. This isn't akin to Sony buying timed exclusivity for titles which will come to other platforms at a later date (MS loved to do this too in the past), this is potentially - and very likely is - MS taking away many people's favourite toys, and telling them you won't get to play anymore unless you switch to their platforms. Again, great for Xbox fans, and a very savvy move by MS. But really bad news for PS players of some beloved franchises. I can only hope that with the eye watering money that changed hands, massive titles like Elder Scrolls and Fallout will still be released on PS so that MS can make money from sales, but I genuinely don't see this happening - MS can afford to take the $7.5 billion hit, and I reckon they'll do so to force consumers hands and make them buy Xbox.
@Salt_AU I hope you're right, as any normal company would indeed want to have massive titles like Elder Scrolls on all platforms to reclaim as much sales as possible to cover the $7.5 billion they spend acquiring ownership! But its MS, and their pockets go very, very deep. My fear, and I think it's very possible, is that MS will more than comfortably take the financial hit (because they can afford to) to make people buy into their ecosysystem to play those titles. If they do release on other platforms like PS5, aside from making money it would also be very classy of MS to do this. But if they withhold these much beloved titles....
Microsoft as a whole seems to be a lot more friendly to rivals (see their .NET Core stuff which runs everywhere), so I doubt they'll lock stuff like Fallout 5 out permanently - if at all.
I mean, the game pass stuff alone may just sway people to the platform. Buy an Xbox, you'll have them on launch - downloaded without extra cost.
PS5 - It'll be £70. Oh and it'll never be a PS Plus game either.
@LordSteev hey dude,
I apprieacte you love Skyrim and that's great for you. I'm saying for me, it's not a dealbreaker or even a reason to buy an xbox. Now if MS bought Atlus or Konami then it might be a different story.
It's even great for budget gamers who may not have had access to these games before etc but for me, I'm always wary of Microsoft as they are just a quick to pull the rug as google and if they can't dominate the market right away they just disappear. They may be 'consumer-friendly' right now but that's only now while it's suiting them. Be wary is all.
@Toypop waving See Ya!
@Friendly I'm not denying that. I never said it was a popular take, I said it was a hot take. I love Jrpg, not so into wjrpg as I find them kinda bland and boring. What can I say, I grew up playing mental Japanese games. Azure Dreams on PS1 is still one of my fav games ever.
I feel bad for people who love Bethesda's stuff. I'm not one of them so this isn't earth shattering news for me, personally.
I just read on another site that Xbox preorders are selling out and buyers are meeting error messages and crashes. Whaddaya know, who’s have thunk the new hot toys for the holiday season would cause such things...?🤷🏾♂️
@RamonaFlowers it wasn’t always so. Microsoft had to be humbled. Sony was humbled with PS3 and now they’re back on top. See how consumer friendly Microsoft is once they’ve rule the roost.
@Iroha you literally said ‘everything they [Bethesda] make is a disaster’, yet you edited your comment to nuance your statement and turn it into something else.
You would make a great politician....
@Friendly no such thing...
@RBMango in that case ***** Bethesda and everything they stand for.
@Friendly Yep, I did say that and I would stand by that. Skyrim after numerous iterations and remasters and ports is still buggy AF. Fallout 4 wasn't much better and Fallout '76 has been a PR disaster for Bethesda. It's great if you love Skyrim, despite it's faults. I have plenty of games like that but I'm not a Skyrim or Fallout fan so I'm not to bothered either way with this news. People came for me and I defended my opinion.
It seems like you are determined to take the opposite view of whatever I am saying . FYI I never edited anything. All the comments I have made on this thread are the original comments. OK, Thnx. Bye.
@Iroha you make comments like they’re the truth and not an opinion. That everything Bethesda makes is a disaster is maybe an opinion, but of course an untrue statement.
Mario 64 has bugs. Final Fantasy VII has bugs. Zelda Ocarina of Time And Breath of the Wild have bugs. Are they a disaster too?
Get real. Games of Bethesda are among the most popular on the planet. For a reason. And not because you think they’re only a meme, a disaster.
@Friendly I'm sorry I didn't realise I had to put IMO in front of everything. Of course it's opinion. I get it. You love Skyrim and will defend it with terminal intensity. You don't have to, I don't care. If you didn't already guess. IMO (Just in case) Bethesda have been lackluster as a developer in recent years so this news doesn't really mean much to me, personally IMO. ANd Bethesda are trash, just like most big corporations, including Microsoft and Sony. (IMO)
@Iroha
It's all good. My main beef is that during the last console generation, I burned through 4 XBoxes. This made me switch to PS4 for this generation, and I never had a problem with it. Maybe Microsoft has improved their quality control, maybe not. What sucks for me is I like Bethesda single player games enough that I'm going to have to spring for a new xbox. I'll probably still get a PS5, just for their exclusives, which means spending a thousand bucks to kick off the new console season. My habit's getting expensive...
I think its better this way. So that Playstation will not be complacent and its a healthy competition in both sides. Microsoft acquisition of Bethesda is a wise move cuz the result of that it will add more variety of games on xbox not just gears,halo and forza.
@Shstrick To be fair, a mid-range to high-end PC could last you two or even three generation of console plus it's a multipurpose machine.
This is what happens when a company is taken over. Nintendo didn't get any Rare games during the gamecube era.
Why are they acting like Bethesda games will come to ps5? I mean it's terrible for us people who plan to get ps5 but games like elder scrolls 6 are system sellers. Releasing it on ps5 makes no business sense for Microsoft.
Maybe this will be cleared up in the future.
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